D.C. Folley — What NOT To Do While Sarging

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**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/24/03

Okay, now I remember why I hate D.C.  Its not just the fact that I don’t have a car, or the fact that my parents plan my days for me like I’m a fuckin’ first grader, rather, it’s that it is very hard to sarge here.

D.C. has some of the worst traffic in the world, I swear to god.  I get to places FASTER in LA, and the traffic there is terrible too.  But at least we got 5 LANES of terrible traffic as opposed to 2 or often times 1, in D.C.’s case.  I tell you, I must be spoiled, because the quality of women in this town isn’t exactly what I’d call “prime.”  Of course, I am used to LA quality chicks, which are usually the best and hottest from all over the world.  But even I expected better women in D.C.  There was a post on the D.C. list a while back discussing whether there were any pretty women in this town, and I gotta say, I’m inclined to say NO! (If there are good ones here, they must be hiding).  Now I see why ol’ Bill went for Monica.  On the D.C. scale, that bitch is a fuckin’ 10.

So I wake up at 3:00 in the fuckin’ afternoon out here.  Keep in mind, my schedule is still on LA time, which is 3 hours early, so it’d be a ripe old noon in my home town.  However, I wanted to go out Christmas shopping today, so it was necessary to wake up early and beat the crowd.  I ask my dad to wake me up so I can get ready and have enough time to shop.  Of course, my dad’s idea of waking people up is flipping the light switch on and off.  He tried to wake me up twice with this tactic, however MY EYES WERE FUCKING SHUT! So of course, I was oblivious to the wake-up call.

Anyway, I get up and get ready to go out, so by the time I’m set, its time to go to dinner.  My family has a tradition about going out to eat on the 23rd of every December, so we go to a Steakhouse.  While there, the ONLY woman other than my mother is some warpig waitress that the drunken Mexican landscapers that descended upon this establishment are going after like she’s the only woman they’ve seen since jumping out of the van.  Of course, she’s loving it, but I’m forced to sit and talk to my family for lack of better targets (I’m still trying to come up with a decent system for restaurant sarging.  If anyone has any good tactics, please post them here).

After dinner, me and my brothers go out to the Pentagon City Mall to do our typical last minute shopping.  While there, we spilt up and go our separate ways, which is great because I finally get the chance to do some sarging.  However, its not meant to be.

About 80% of the women I run into are either fat, black, or a combination of the two.  Now, I have nothing against black chicks, but I just don’t go for them.  Same with fat chicks.  The women I do find that are worth sarging are of an average age of 15.  FIFTEEN!!!!  I feel like the biggest fucking perv in the world after I open a girl and her mother comes up to remind her that she can’t choose too many presents because she’s getting a car for her 16th birthday.

So I go about my shopping feeling like a dirty old man at the ripe ol’ age of 25.  It reminds me of why I prefer bars and clubs, at least there you know you’re in the ballpark.  And I start thinking about what I’d do if I WAS successful and picking a girl up.  My little brother drove me here.  I’m staying at my parent’s house.  I have no money.  The whole situation just does not bode well.

So I spend about $300 on gifts and go home pissed that its another night of my vacation wasted.  I was also informed that we’re visiting my grandparents for three days after Christmas, and even though it will be nice to see them, I am screaming on the inside because of the simple fact I am in LIMBO LAND!  Sure, there’s not stress or worries, but there is also no fun either.  Ugg!

I better get some good gifts this year, or I might end up killing somebody.

Thundercat

The Roosh Blog

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/22/03

And here I was thinking I was an original, lol. Here is Roosh, whom I recognize from Mystery’s Lounge, doing his own blog for a while. Anyway, I checked it out and its a pretty good blog. A little more well-rounded than mine, but whatever. I am easily humbled. =)

If you wanna check it out, you can find it at:

http://www.rooshlog.com/

I’ll be linking it to the left of my site.

Thundercat

Initial Fear of the Approach

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/22/03

Someone on the DC list asked a pretty good question about approaching and fear of the approach. They talked about how hard it was to approach women initially in SS. I think this is a pretty valid point, because the first stage in anyone’s development as a seducer or pick-up artists is to learn how to approach girls.

Speaking as someone who comes from an SS background, I can feel for guys who are going through this. IMO, SS is one of the WORST systems for helping guys learn to cold approach. When I was just doing strict SS, I could not cold-approach to save my life. In fact, some of the best Speed Seducers I know cannot cold approach. They get most of their lays through social circles or the internet. That said, cold approaching is just very hard in general.

The best way to get over this, in my opinion, is to attend an in-field workshop. I know there was one in DC recently taught by Tyler Durden. Nothing helps more than having live, in-field instruction and demonstration by experienced people who can help you troubleshoot and guide you through the process. The only people doing this currently that I know of is Tyler Durden, Mystery, Badboy, and Harmless, who will be starting his workshops up in the coming months. That said, workshops are very “shit or get off the pot” in their nature. They will kick-start you into approaching, but they are NOT very conducive to mental masturbators and armchair seducers, so be sure you are prepared for it.

Short of that, hooking up with other guys who do this stuff is the best way to go. I know a lot of guys in the DC area are getting together on a regular basis to wing each other, which is a great way to learn. I started up my own lair in LA to help me out. Sometimes, just having others to talk to about this shit is good to help increase your skills.

The hardest part about approaching is just overcoming that fear of rejection. We all become so conditioned to avoiding emotional pain, that we get that knot in our stomachs every time we are about to talk to a girl we find attractive. The best guys I’ve seen at this have no fear of approaching because they are able to detach themselves from the outcome. Whenever you see a beautiful girl you wanna bang, you give her a lot of sexual power over you, which you then have to go about trying to regain in order to effectively sarge her.

What I’m doing in my game right now is getting to the point where I do not feel the need to give the girl that power. Where my inner game has hit such a level that I do not have to get validation from a girl. Its a tough thing to do, and something I’m struggling with. But all I have to do is look at someone like Zan, who is completely free of all that bullshit, to the point where he naturally attracts people to him. Its a very powerful and congruent way to live your life.

I’ll probably talk about this more later. Right now I gotta run. Gonna hang out with my brother and his hippy friends.

Thundercat

Stuart Smiley was Full of Shit

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/22/03

I want to talk about something that has been a part of the seduction community since Ross Jeffries recorded two little cassette tapes in someone’s garage back in ’97. Its something that is an evil, dirty, foul little beast which in my opinion has no business being ANYWHERE near the people who are actually trying to get good at this stuff. So what am I speaking of? Simple. I am speaking of:

Affirmations.

The reason I speak of this is because there is a topic on mASF that caught my eye. Here it is:

Topic: Affirmations (1 of 8), Read 343 times
Conf: >> General
From: 7
Date: Sunday, December 21, 2003 08:35 AM

I have a few questions about affirmations.

Do you use them and do they work for you?

When do you say them and for how long?

I have noticed that they stop working if I stop using them so do I have to keep doing them constantly or will the changes ever become permanent?

Someone suggested recording the affirmations to cd or cassette. Anyone noticed if listening to them has the same effect as saying them?

Would subliminal recordings be more effective? Anyone here know how to make subliminals?

Here is something for you to test. Last night I tried a new affirmation and I got approached twice. That rarely ever happens so it must have been the affirmation.

Here is the affirmation:

“All women get horny when they see me”

You can find the whole thread at:

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/read?120655,8

But the reason I bring this up is because I believe that AFFIRMATIONS DO NOT WORK!!!!!

Period. End of story.

The days of Stuart Smiley looking into the mirror chanting “I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and dog gonnit, people like me!” are over. In fact, I’d argue they were never really here to begin with.

Affirmations are for insecure people who desperately want any way to validate themselves, to the point where they will start trying to brainwash themselves into believing their insecurities do not exist. This is bullshit. There is no way to get past such insecurities unless you face them honestly and work to find their root cause. Not until you do that will these insecurities go away.

How do I know this? Because I’ve been there. I’ve done the affirmations, and I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt THEY DO NOT WORK.

I can remember back when I was a full fledged member of the Speed-Seduction cult when I was in college, I went ahead and bought the “Unstoppable Confidence” tapes, mainly due to the recommendation of Bishop (who ended up being a con man, go figure). I’d listen to those suckers every day. In the morning when I got up, on my walks to class, and even at night as I was falling asleep. I’d do the visualizations exactly as I was told.

Did it work? Well, no, not really. It didn’t make me feel any different. I was still insecure and scared, and no more confident than I was before. But I so WANTED them to work, that I convinced myself that they WERE working. So I’d go out and act all confident and full of power with my 50-foot tall self ready to crush anything that steped inside my circle of power that was created with my imaginary Green Lantern ring.

The thing is, it was all an illusion. Its okay to “fake it before you make it” in certain respects. But not when it comes to confidence. The thing about confidence is that no matter how well you fake it, something will happen to SHATTER that illusion for you, and it will affect all your actions because of that.

For instance, when I was doing the “Unstoppable Confidence” tapes in college, I’d start walking up to girls and sarging them, running the IC pattern, Blow-Job, Discovery Channel, etc. Most of the time it would go well, but occasionally I’d get a girl who’d say “Why are you talking to me?” “Who are you?” “Go away!” or some combination of the three. At that point, my “confidence” would be SHATTERED. I’d feel like a tool, a fake, a phoney. It ended up hurting me more than helping me BECAUSE I tried to cover up the real problem instead of facing it.

So to the guys out there wanting to do affirmations, I say DON’T DO IT! They may be a short-term fix for some, but long term they do not work! I would recommend that you take an honest look at yourself and try to determine what it is that makes you feel unconfidant, sad, unhappy, scared, whatever. Take a good hard look and figure out what’s causing it, and then FACE THAT. Do not hide from it.

The goal of all Pick-Up Artists or Seducers should be to become a single, congruent entity, and you cannot do that if you’re sweeping your problems under the rug. You gotta face them. Period.

/end rant

Thundercat

Feminator Returns

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/22/03

We all have our favorite loonies that post on mASF.  I know Tyler is fond of one dude in particular, and Stevie PUA has his personal fav.  Mine is FEMINATOR.  His massive need for qualification and aspirations for guru-hood in a community that accounts for less than 0.0000000001% of the population is nothing short of entertaining.  Recently, he took a bit of a powder after his last $$$$$$ post broke the camel’s back and caused a number of flames pointed his way (I mean honestly, the signal to noise ratio was just too high).  Anyway, his absence was noticed, leading to posts such as this one by zane:

Topic: Where did FERMINATOR go? (1 of 1), Read 131 times
Conf: >> General
From: zane
Date: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:25 PM

WTF happened to all that MONEY shit from Ferminator???

IS he still ,alive??

But apparently, he spoke too soon, because FEMINATOR is back, with a vengeance.  Here’s his latest $$$$$$$ post for your enjoyment:

Topic: FEMINATOR IS BACK! MALL’S ARE MONEY (1 of 13), Read 417 times
Conf: >> General
From: feminator 15081978@bluewin.ch
Date: Sunday, December 21, 2003 05:45 PM

After clubbing a lot for many years i realized, that clubs are not a good place for meeting top quality women, because they have always the whole defense up.

-Bitch shields (because they expect it)
-Anti slut defense (because of other people, they know)
-Girlfriends (girlscode, drag away)
-AMOGS and BF

Other important facts are …

-Bad chick ratio
-Not every chick goes to the clubs.
-Too many man
-Drugs, alcohol etc.
-Drinks and clubs are not cheap
-Loud music
-At fuck close time, it’s often already 4-6 AM
-Chicks are sometimes also tired in clubs and therefore you can’t game them, especially on Friday.

I also realized, that in clubs are not a lot of possibilities to do interesting things, except sarging.

For somebody, who doesn’t drink, smoke, take drugs or dance, the clubs are a boring place…

Sarging remains the only reason for going to clubs…

Of course it’s possible to game them in clubs, but i found a far better place to find much more and better chicks.

*****************************************************
**********The shopping malls are $$$**********************
*****************************************************

-Good chick ratio. Every chick goes to the malls…

-Chicks are often isolated in shopping malls, therefore no bitch shields or ASD.

-Chicks are not tired and easier to game

-Fuck close time is normally after 8 PM, when the malls close here in Zurich, instead of 4 – 6 AM, so i have more time for good sex.

-Often no negative girlscode.

-Very likely no BF or AMOGS.

-Good insta date possibilities like …
… Shopping together

Then when the malls close at 8 PM …
… Cinema is at 8.30 PM
… After work parties from 7 PM
… Lunch or dinner

My latest opener …

… I prepared a paper bag in a way, i can open the bottom and everything falls on the floor. Haha, they always help me to collect all the things.

… I also prepared a suitcase in the same way. I often put pictures of my hottest GF. When they help me collecting the picture, i tell them the story about my Ex-Girlfriend, who went to London for modelling … Hahah, they always help me to collect the pictures.

… I also create instant accident with cans, clothes etc.
For example I prepare a can tower in a way, that all the cans fall on the floor, when the HB passes. Then she feels guilty. Of course i help her then. (Not field tested)

I create a small accident with some cans and boxes. They always help me to collect the cans. (Field tested)

Then i tell them:”Do you believe in the destiny?”
HB:”Bla bla.”
FEM:”If you look back in 2 years to this day, you will realize, that just of a couple of cans, you whole live changed. My name is Feminator from ASF ”

I do a lot of opinion opener …

“Hey HB (‘s) i need a quick female opinion ….

It opens always. Often i add, that the saleswomen are bad girls, because they lie… Then i tell them a funny story about a really bad saleswomen. Or i ask them, if they are a saleswomen. If they say no, i say:”Very good, because i need a neutral female opinion…”

Or can you help me opener …

“Hey HB i need your help …”

“Do you know, where …”

On the shopping mall insta date, i have always a lot of fun. For example, we check out new clothes together. Then venue change to another mall (Foot in the door principle, are you adventurous enough, then cinema or bar)

In busy times i sarge the customers. In quiet times i sarge the saleswomen, which i use also next time, when it’s busy for social proof.

PS: WHEN WILL BE THE RELEASE OF TFM 2.0 ???????????????? I heard in an old post from PORNHANDLE 25.12.03.
****************************************************

If you want to read the whole thread, it can be found at:

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/read?120723,8

The thing I find funny about the above post that poor old FEM doesn’t seem to get — in fact, a lot of people don’t seem to get this — is that you should not be going out in the world with the specific intent to “Pick-Up.”  That’s lame.  That’s one of the reasons I laugh at SS nowadays.  Who wants to go to a coffee shop/grocery store/yoga class or whatever just to meet women?  I find that incredibly stupid.

If I’m going to a coffee shop, its to get coffee.  If I go to a grocery store, its to get groceries.  If I’m going to a yoga class (which I would never do) its to learn yoga.  And if I go to a mall, its to shop.  Any sarging to be done is strictly Targets of Opportunities.  As far as bars/clubs go, I do not SPECIFICALLY go out to bars and clubs to sarge.  I go there to have fun, and to me, part of the fun is trying to pick-up chicks — being social.

This realization came upon me when I was in Chicago and got to see Zan, Craig, and Maddash out on the town.  These guys did not go to these bars to “sarge” or “pick-up.”  They went out there to hang out together, get drunk, and have fun.  The by-product of that was picking-up on chicks.  When I have gone out and just been social, (i.e. drinking, dancing, talking, laughing, ball-busting — what have you) I have been SO MUCH MORE successful than going out with the SPECIFIC intent to sarge.

That’s something guys who are new at this don’t quite have an understanding of yet.  A lot of this comes from “inner game.”  It’s that bit about being “desire-less.”  Not wanting what you really want.  Its fucked-up, yes, but in a way its necessary to feel that way if you want to get REALLY good at it.  Its almost like saying “Just be yourself.”  The trick is, you have to first BECOME the kind of person who naturally does this, and THAT is the hard part.  That is what no in-field workshop or phone consultation or hypnosis will teach you.

I’ve spent 4 years working on my inner game, and I’m just now feeling that its at the point where I’m actually starting to change.  4 YEARS, fellas.  I’ve had to wade through a lot of deep psychological shit to get to where I am now.  We’re talking things that would have made Freud ditch coke for heroine, its so fucked-up.  But it all works out.

I’ll probably talk about this more in an article I plan on writing on Inner Game.  The more people I meet who are genuinely good at this, the more I realize it has to do with inner game and where you’re coming from.  So many people just want the next new “trick” or “method” or whatever.  Look at this Feminator guy for crying out loud.  He’s all about the gimmicks, the tricks, the routines, etc.  What he fails to understand is that all that stuff springs forth from your inner self.  I’ve seen some guys who have TONS of shit memorized, and they can do a pick-up quite well, but when it comes to Day 2, or Day 3, or even RELATIONSHIPS, they lose the chick, because they run out of material.  They don’t have their inner game congruent with their outter game.

Enough rambling.  I’ll post my inner game article here when I get done with it.

Thundercat

PS:  Just remembered, I should probably thank Swinggcat for a lot of this.  He’s very much into the whole “inner game” thing and it has been the subject of many conversations I’ve had with him.  In fact, it probably wouldn’t be on my mind as much if it wasn’t for him, even though I’ve been very much into it since my return from Las Vegas.  Maybe he’ll do something on it in an upcoming newsletter which will blow anything I write on it out of the water.  =)

Thundercat’s Weekend Sucks the Nutty

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/22/03

Okay, so I’m home for the holidays, spending my time with my parents and two younger brothers.  All I can say is that this sucks.  Yes, I love my family, but I live in LA and they all live in DC, so they have their friends and hang-outs and whatnot, and in the meantime, I’m stuck at home holding my dick.  I don’t even have my own car.  Bummers.

So what did old Thundercat do this weekend?  Answer:  Nothing.  I slept, ate some home-cooked meals, and watched a lot of Lord of the Rings (Yes, I went back to the theater to see Return of the King again, it still rocked.  I spent the rest of the time watching the other two mega-super-special edition DVDs on my dad’s 36″ HD television.  Who needs sex with a set-up like that?  Not my dad, I guess.  Ewww).

I’m hoping to hook-up with some of the DC bro’s that are out here so I have the opportunity to dust off some of these PUA skills I’ve spent the last couple years developing.  I’ve tried contacting a few, but they aren’t exactly the “friendliest” bunch of guys, at least when it comes to returning emails.  Maybe if I lied and said I was TD, they’d start sucking my dick, lol.  (no offense, fellas =)

Also, with the terror alerts, things around here are a bit tense.  Maybe things will work out and I’ll find some girls who aren’t afraid of being anthraxed or something.  I should start hanging out with my youngest brother some more.  He’s one of those jocks with the brain the size of a pea who all the girls seem to love.  It might be a bit odd, hitting on chicks his age, but who gives a shit?  I’m horny NOW!

Will update as much as I can.  Things are slow right now.  I plan on going shopping tomorrow, so I might have a few targets of opportunity to report on.

Later,

Thundercat

New Retard on mASF

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/20/03

Yes, it would appear there is a NEW retard to add to the list of mASF goofballs.  First there was Ray Gordon, then there was Gunwitch, then the infamous Mmasters, and now ladies and gentlemen, I present to you — 24 HRS!

Apparently he stirred up some drama on mASF by posting private emails from Tyler and Papa concerning how many girls each one has laid.  Obviously, this is best summed up by ijjjji’s reply, which was simply:

“Drama queen! Eat shit and die!”

So if you’re interested in reading the latest drama on mASF, the link is:

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/read?120377,8

Thundercat

Harmless, Movin’ on up to the *SOUTH* Side

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/20/03

Hey all,

New-kid-guru-on-the-block Harmless has just announced his arrival in Austin Texas on mASF. I know he plans on starting up his seduction business soon and is looking to start teaching workshops in the coming months, which should present a nice alternative to the Tyler/Papa Real Social Dynamics workshops which are going to go up in price soon.

Thundercat

Topic: In Austin Now (1 of 3), Read 159 times
Conf: >> General
From: Harmless reinhen27@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:50 AM

Yo.

I made it to Austin. Alive. In ONE night. 17 hours. I’m sore, tired and cranky. BUT… It’s time to teach these Austin ho’s who their daddy is. Don’t worry, my pimp hand is WAY strong.

Anyone who wants to come up to Austin to sarge with me, let me know. I should point out that I’m going to be VERY poor for the first month or so, but it’s still on.
–

Harmless
harmless@reenhanced.com

The Ellyn Drama Continues…

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/20/03

First off, before I get to the latest developments, I’d like to thank everyone who posted a reply on the “Dear Lord, What Have I Done?” thread concerning Ellyn, the overweight, brain-damaged, diseased ex-cokehead stripper who wants to ride my rodney with her wart-infested poon.  I got into DC today, and my mind couldn’t help but wonder about her.  As bad as I make the poor girl sound, she isn’t really all that nasty.  In fact, she does have a sweet side, and she’s had a tough life to top it off.  Of course, that’s no excuse for her current state, but I can’t help but feel more than a little sorry for her.

Especially after I get this email today:

Subject Name:  Hey Sexy

hey there you.  i am so excited to hear that you are coming to this side of the country.  i have missed seeing you and talking to you.  i know that you will only be in for two weeks and you stated that you will honor with a visit… that’s awesome!!!!  i was looking at the calendar trying to decide what would be a good day for you to come up and hoping that the same day would be alright for you aswell.  i came up with saturday the 27th into the 28th or sunday the 28th into the 29th.  or if you wanted to come sooner that would be alright too.  i am going to go ahead and give you the directions that you will need to get here:

She then proceeds to give me the most detailed directions I’ve ever gotten from anyone in my life all littered with enough cute-ass smiley-faces to make you sick.

I like how I told her I *MIGHT* visit her while I’m out, and she’s already taking the frame that its a done deal.  Ellyn was always very good at taking a strong frame, its one of the things that makes her so volitile — usually because the frames she too were exactly the opposite of what others wanted (a clear drama queen tactic).  I’m wondering if it is possible to see her again and avoid the sex.  I mean, for all I know she could have gone from a somewhat cute girl into a complete warpig.

Regardless, this is a girl who does not have much happiness in her life, and it would mean a lot to her for me to go out and see her.  I’m conflicted as to what to do.  I still hold a place in my heart for this girl, more from pity than anything else.  Its sort-of the same situation I’m struggling with in the “Power of the Dark Side” post.  I honestly don’t know if I’m going to see her or not.

I’ll keep you updated.

Thundercat

Deconstructing Swinggcat, Vol. 1

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/20/03

Okay, its no big secret me and Swinggcat know each other. In fact, we’re pretty good friends. So good, that he has granted me permission to repost his newsletter on my blog. Of course, I never thought I’d see the day when he got off his lazy ass to actually WRITE the newsletter, but just as another sign of the coming apocalypse, it has finally arrived.

From time to time, I’ll post some of his newsletters on here that I think are worthy of further discussion and pick them apart for you with my experiences and ideas interspersed for your reading pleasure. I think Swingg is one of the best in the game and there is a lot to learn from him, and if he’s going to be doing newsletters regularly, they are worth signing up for — so be sure to log in on his webpage to subscribe! Also, if you buy his book because of me for some reason, let him know so he can pay me a commission. It’s not free to run a site like this, you know.

Anyway, without further ado, here is the first Swinggcat newsletter ever — “Building Attraction Through Tension Loops.”

Building Attraction Through Tension Loops
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One of my maxims for ATRACTING women is to make them
ABC…to make them ALWAYS BE CHASING me.

In my book I call this PRIZING.

PRIZING women is important because when you do
things to make women chase you they will begin to
see you as a PRIZE they want to win over.

Prizing is a very important concept to understand in PU. I like to refer to it as “taking the power position” because you are putting yourself above others. One good way I like to do this is to ABJ — Always Be Judging — others. I got this nifty little trick from RoadKing, who uses it to great effect on strippers. Though Swinggcat has more systems for prizing laid out in his book.

One technique for PRIZING I talk about in my book
is Open Loop.

An Open Loop is an unfinished thought or story. So,
within the context of ATTRACTING women, some
examples of open loops are:

When a man tells a woman a really juicy story and
just at the point that she really starts to get into
the story, he intentionally withholds the conclusion
from her.

Or…

When a man acts as if he knows something about a
woman but when she asks him what it is he refuses to
tell her.

Are you guys starting to get why open loops are so
powerful?

Open loops are the shit. Lots of guys HATE open loops because they tend to frustrate them. But what they don’t realize is that open loops are MEANT to frustrate. That’s why they are effective. Though Swingg likes to describe open loops in terms of what the guy can do to the girl, I like to describe them in terms of what the girl can do to the guy, because girls do this shit better than any guy ever could. For instance, when a girl tells you “Maybe we can get together sometime,” that’s an example of an open loop. You’re gonna be calling her to get together, but she could do any number of things to keep you dangling, and in the meantime, you just try harder and harder to get together with her, until you’ve fully committed yourself to getting this chick, to the point where you think you’ve fallen for her.

Though what Swingg is describing here gets even more evil than that, as you’ll see below…

They are powerful because they leave women wanting and
reaching for more.

And when women are wanting and reaching for more, they
are CHASING us.

Its true. It works both ways.

I have noticed a few of the guys who have recently
purchased my book have spawned quite a few online
discussions on open loops.

Yes, that would be the SS list. I think its funny how some guys on that list bought Swingg’s book, and started posting field reports using his material and terminology like they just discovered it miracuously on their own in their vain attempts to reach guru-hood. Lame. I will say, however, that some of the best threads on the SS list in the past 4 YEARS sprung from discussingf Swinggcat material, so I can’t be too angry about it, I suppose.

This is great because it tells me that guys are really
getting out there and using the ideas in my book.

Recently I have been thinking a lot about the
psychological mechanism behind open loops: What is it
about ‘open loops’ that cause women to want and reach
for more?

This is where the evil part comes in. Are you ready for it?

And about a month ago it dawned on me while watching
TV. I was watching a television show that I did not
find terribly interesting, and out of nowhere the power
went out. The weird thing was that inside I felt this
emotional “want” to find out the conclusion to a TV show
I did not even find interesting. However, the more I thought
about this the more I realized that I did not really want
to find out what happened, but wanted closure and
resolution.

Even though the show was not very good, it had created
some unresolved emotional tension in me. The power going
out made me aware of my need to release, resolve, and
bring closure to this tension.

So, what I have discovered is that the psychological
mechanism behind open loops is in creating unresolved
emotional tension.

EEEEEEEEEEEEVIL!!!!!!

What I have realized is that besides using open loops,
there are literally hundreds of ways of creating, and
increasing unresolved emotional tension.

Doing this is what I call a “Tension Loop”. The structure
of a Tension Loop is to first do something that creates
unresolved emotional tension.

For example, you could do this by using an open loop: an
unfinished story or thought.

Or you could do this by creating a barrier between you and
a woman. If you have chemistry with a woman you might want
to hint that there is already a woman in your life,
planting the seed in her mind that even though you and her
like each other, it probably will not work out between the
both of you because you are already taken.

Or you could feign being really offended by something a
woman does or says. If she asks you, “What do you do for a
living?” you could hasten back with, “I am not the guy who
used to work with you at Mc. Donald’s, and if we ever hang
out, there is to be no talk about your career path at
McDonalds…I wouldn’t want you to embarrass me in front of
my friends.”

I’ve seen Swinggcat do this. Its fucking hilarious. The poor girl looks like a deer in headlights.

Or you could do something to invalidate a woman, such as,
acting unimpressed with her or even hinting at not liking her.

Now once you have created this tension loop inside a woman,
you can keep going with it: you can build it larger and more
intense.

This is where it gets REALLY evil. We’re talking Darth Vader evil here.

For example, if you create a tension loop by acting offended
by something a woman says or does, you can make that tension
loop larger and more intense by continuing to act offended.

But at a certain point, you need to close the tension
loop–bring some resolution, release, or closure to it.

I have found that people who are effective at using tension
loops–for example, auspicious writers and marketers–all
follow a similar structure:

1) They do or say something to create the tension loop

2) They keep going with what they said or did, making
the “tension loop” larger

3) They do something to close the tension loop; bring
some release or resolution to it

4) They open it back up, but just a little bit.

Also, have you ever noticed that this is the structure of many
great movies? Think about it: many great movies start off with
a tension loop by introducing some kind of conflict or drama.
Then, the tension loop increases up until the point of the
climax. Then the tension loop is closed by bringing some
resolution to the conflict or drama. And, finally, the movie
ends by either the tension loop being opened back up or a new
tension loop opening up.This makes the movie watcher want to
see the sequel.

Lets now look at an example of sparking a tension loop,
building it, closing it, and then opening up a new tension
loop–but just a little bit.

A few days ago, after exchanging some light banter with a
woman, I said to her, “You know…I don’t like you…”

She gave me a flabbergasted look and panted, “what!” (Being
the attractive woman that she is, she had probably never
had anyone say this to her before).

I had sparked a tension loop in her.

Next I made the tension loop bigger by saying, ” I’m sorry,
that probably came off wrong. Let me be more specific: I
really don’t like you.”

Here I was making the tension loop larger: intensifying all of
that unresolved emotional tension inside her. Now although
this is very powerful, you do not want to create so much
tension that she snaps–you do not want to PUSH her away
completely. So the idea is to take her to the edge–or close to
it. It is similar to kids blowing bubbles. They want to blow
as much air into the bubble to ensure that it is as big as
possible, but if they blow too much air into the bubble it
will pop. This takes practice, and you really have to learn to
observe how much emotional tension she is experiencing at any
given moment.

Then I said to her, “And the reason I don’t like you is that
you remind me of this girl Miranda whom I hated in the
second grade. I hated her because she used to always beat me
at hot hands (BTW, “hot hands” is a game that children play).

Then I challenged her to a game of hot hands, defeated her
quickly, and gloated, “Yes…I am the winner, and, actually, I
like you now…since you really stink at hot hands”.

So here I closed the tension loop by bringing resolution and
release to her emotional tension. And then I opened a new
loop–just a little bit–by telling her that she stinks at hot
hands.

lol. I remember when Swingg did this. He called me and woke me up to tell me what had happened when he was first testing this shit out. He was so jazzed at the responses he was getting. I gotta tell you, there’s nothing better than hearing a master seducer at the top of his game getting excited about testing new theories and tactics in the field. This is one of the reasons I think Swinggcat is so much better than a lot of the other guys out there. He’s actually improving, creating, and testing shit EXTENSIVELY before sharing it. I know for a fact that at the rate he’s going, Swinggcat method will not be the same thing in 6 months that it is right now.

There is a lot of psychology going on here. And in this
newsletter I am only scratching the surface of what I am doing.
I am going to do another newsletter soon, where I will go a lot
deeper into the psychological mechanisms of tension loops.

He’s run a few of his newsletters by me already, and I gotta tell you, they are NUCLEAR in the truest sense of the word. I’m almost finding them more helpful than his book, but I don’t think I’d be able to understand them without having read that first. But I know that everytime Swinggcat comes up with a new newsletter, he’s probably losing money on another book he could be writing.

But if you are really interested in mastering the techniques
for triggering these underlying psychological mechanisms in
women check out my eBook.

I am a guy who has been doing this stuff since I was a teenager.
And in the last four years I have gotten really serious about
mastering the psychological mechanisms that trigger attraction
in women. I am not some guy who used to be good with
women who now only talks and writes about how to attract women
from behind a computer screen. Instead, I am regularly out
interacting with women, which allows me to experiment, hone, and
further develop my attracting women skills. What I teach is not
just bunch of feel-good theory, but applicable stuff that can be
used in the real world. My material really is the Mu-Tai
kickboxing of dating guides. I really believe that this is the
most cutting edge stuff out there.

I have been getting tons of emails from guys telling me things
like, “Before getting your book I tried everything out there,
but had no success. But your stuff helped me finally get it. In
your easy-to-understand way of explaining things you have given
me a set of powerful tools along with a simple structure for
using them”.

There have even been a number of women, one of whom is a Los
Angeles stripper, who have been telling me things like, “Most
male dating experts are dead wrong when it comes to
understanding women. But, wow, even though I hate to admit
this, you have really hit the nail on the head when it comes
to knowing what works with women.”

This is a stripper RoadKing introduced me to that I’ve been gaming. I brought her along with me to Las Vegas and that’s where Swinggcat met her. Its funny, because he told her what he did and about his book, and since then she’s been calling him up and lurking on his website. This girl is funny, because she wants to write a book about how women can pick-up guys. Little does she know how fucking stupid that is. She was telling me how important it is for the girl to hang up the phone first because that gives them a psychological edge. I couldn’t help but laugh at her. Everything she’s “discovered” is shit that was discussed on ASF years ago and has moved on, which is probably why she’s so fascinated with Swinggcat’s book. I hope she doesn’t buy it, she might be able to deflect the game I’m running on her if she knows what I’m doing.

So, if you are ready to start the new year with a new take on
attracting women, come check out my EASY-TO-UNDERSTAND eBook
which is chock full of powerful insights, ideas, and tools,
here:

http://clicks.aweber.com/z/ct/?J85sEt6LY9pzJy8mHxVTGw

Best,

Swinggcat

P.S., Here is one last little secret of mine for the New Year:
If you feel like you are in a rut with women go out and get
some new threads. Better yet, try a whole new look: Go out and
get some clothes you normally would never wear. This is what I
do when I am in a rut and it works wonders. In fact, if you
have put on a few extra pounds this holiday season and are not
in the mood to cut down on your caloric intake, but still want
to look great, you are in luck. I have a friend, Joseph, who
just released a book called “Fashion For Fat Guys”. Not only is
Joseph an expert when it comes to fashion, but he also knows a
thing or two about attracting women. You can visit him here:

http://clicks.aweber.com/z/ct/?xRkVuThCUgInu3FhduxKIg

In case you didn’t notice, Fashion For Fat Guys is linked on this page as well. I think its a great resource for overweight men to dress better. I know I use the tactics outlined in that book when I go out, and it helps up my confidence levels so I’m more effective than I would be otherwise. Some might say its common sense stuff, but I think for a lot of guys it will help point out shit that they should be doing or don’t know they should do. I’ll probably discuss this more when I write my next article for Cliff’s List. I’m also thinking about talking about inner game soon, and I know that something like FFFG has a role to play in that as well.

P.P.S., If you have a success story you would like to share,
or a question you would like to ask, or a comment you would
like to make, please email me at

swinggcat@realworldseduction.com

Don’t just hit reply to this email. Thanks!

Okay, well there you have it. Hopefully you read this newsletter 50 times, bought both ebooks reccommended in it, and learn this shit backwards and forwards. I’ll probably be experimenting with tension loops soon (I did a bit of that in my airport pick-up) so I’ll report here on how it goes.

Ho!

Thundercat

FR: An Airport Pick-Up

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/20/03
**Image removed

Okay, now that I’ve got the airport rant off my chest, its time to get to the good stuff. The stuff that most of you reading this are probably here for in the first place.

Its a been a while since I’ve posted a Field Report, and there is a good reason for that. Since late October, my health has been fucked. At first I had a sinus cold, and that mutated into the Flu. So I missed a bunch of work, and on top of that, my stupid ass goes to Vegas for Thanksgiving weekend and ends up spending a shitload of money partaking in every debauchery known to man and a good 6 of the 7 deadly sins, which means to top things off, I’m quite broke. All this leads to many a lonely night at home alone trying to kill the pain with nyquil while masturbating to internet porn.

Well, I’m happy to say my health is improving. The flu I got is almost all gone (still cough a bit) and I’ve been able to get enough money this month to make rent, but not much more than that. So I haven’t been able to go out much because my health/wealth game has been in the proverbial shitter for almost two months now.

Which brings me to yesterday. Yesterday, I was at the airport, and its been my experience that an airport is an EXCELLENT place to sarge. I’ve been able to # close a great many hot chicks at airports. Of course, lots of them don’t lead anywhere for various reasons, but for the most part, while girls are traveling, they are usually more adventurous because they are in a place where they aren’t going to be socially judged by people they know for their actions. Not only that, but the boredom of airport life is so great, that most people are looking for any distraction to pass the time. In fact, some of my easiest walk-ups ever have been in airports.

That said, I don’t go to airports looking to PU. I go there to travel. PU is just a nice side-effect of doing so. I don’t want to hear stories about guys going to the airport on Friday night to pick-up chicks, kapeesh?

Anyway, there I am, talking to soldier dude, when this girl comes walking by. She’s a tiny thing, very petite body, small breasts, and tight ass — just the way I like ‘em. She’s cute, but not drop-dead gorgeous. She’d probably rate a 7 on the looks scale, but on the 1-0 scale (1 being “good enough” and 0 being “not good enough”) I’d have to say she’s definitely “good enough.” That’s her pic on the top of the page to give you an idea of what she looks like.

But she’s lugging around this huge, zebra striped backpack that’s broken up with black screens. Upon closer inspection, I can see she’s got a little puppydog in there that she’s traveling with. Now, I’m a sucker for dogs, so I can’t help staring at it. She notices me doing so, and I open her with:

“What do you do if the dog has to take a shit?”

How’s that for masterful? Eat your heart out Style. Anyway, she laughs and says the dog went before they came, and he’s also doped up on doggie-valum, so he’ll be quiet during the trip. Now, I find the very idea of valume for dogs fascinating, so I start talking to her about other animals she may have doped up. She laughs and we have a good conversation. I keep disinterested because in all honesty, I was more interested in the dog than the girl (not in that respect you pervs!).

So I get on the plane and settle in, and who should sit down next to me? Bitch girl — er, I mean, girl with the dog. She says “It looks like you can’t escape us.” I tell her it must either be karma or she’s stalking me. She laughs and settles her dog in under her seat before sitting down.

Right away she makes herself comfortable by taking off her shoes and putting her legs on the seat. I tell her its gonna be a long flight with her stinky feet in my face. She laughs. then we talk about her dog until take-off. The dog is named Copenhagen after the town in Germany for some reason, but she calls him “Koop.” He’s a mixed breed mutt she rescued from a homeless lady and has since become her child. She says they are very co-dependent on each other and it shows in the way she dotes over this animal. I find it a bit endearing, but its also a huge sign of insecurity, so I start testing the waters a bit.

It turns out she’s an actress, and has actually been on a few shows I’ve seen. The latest was The Brotherhood of Poland New Hampshire. So we talk about acting and shit for a bit. I love the fact that she’s an actress, because it means she’s a validation whore (and REALLY insecure), so I can be pretty evil with her and get away with it. In fact, I tell her “Wow, you’re really insecure. I’m gonna have a lot of fun with you.”

She plays along. I just keep being really cocky. I accuse her of being a primadonna. I tell her shit like she makes J-Lo look like Mother Theresa with her unreasonable demands. She starts trying to fight back with lame lines like “Oh, yeah. And you’re so cool.” To which I reply “Thanks for noticing.”

At the same time I’m doing this, I’m also validating her by doing little shit, like sharing my gummy-fish I picked up at the airport with her when she says she’s hungry. I also give her some of my nasty airline food. She acted like it was a big deal that I was giving up part of my meal for her, but I just couldn’t stomach the nasty shit, so the situation was win-win.

Anyway, this goes on for 5 hours with me teasing the shit out of her. We end up sleeping together on the flight (not sexing it up, mind you. We slept and we were next to each other). I babysit her dog when she goes to the bathroom, so she’s all impressed when she comes back and finds me caring for it. I tell her she sleeps like her dog and I thought I was taking care of her. But the coup-de-grace was when a baby across the isle from us shit its pants and I blamed the smell on her. Priceless.

So the plane lands and I’m helping her to strap this dog on her shoulders. Its funny, because at 6’1, I tower over this itty-bitty girl. We start walking together to the gate, and I say we should hang out when we both get back to LA. She says she’d love to and gives me her number before we split up and greet our prospective family members.

So that’s it. A solid number close. Nothing special, but still, it was fun and the girl was easy to talk to and cute. At the very least, I’ve expanded my social circle and made a cool new friend. At best, I get a fuck buddy out of it. Regardless, I enjoyed her company a great deal and look forward to hanging out with her again.

And that’s why they call me…

Thundercat

Fuck Bin Ladin

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/20/03

Fuck Bin Ladin.  Fuck him up his stupid ass.

He is the reason why my day was so terrible.  I swear to God.

So I head off to the airport two hours early to catch my flight to Washington DC which departs at 1:10 pm for two weeks of family torture — er, I mean, FUN!  I figure two hours would be plenty of time for me to check in and get a bite to eat before the five hour trek across the country at 20,000 feet.  And I was right, two hours was enough time… BARELY!

I got to LAX and the place was fuckin’ PACKED!  I’m talking filled to the brim with people here.  Imagine what it would be like if John and George were resurrected and the Beatles were throwing a reunion concert, and you’ll get an idea of how crowded this fucking place was.

So I muddle through the sea of people and get to the United terminal to check in.  They’ve got something like 50 terminals open, and all of them are backed up.  The thing is, they’ve substituted the old fashioned check-in for the new automated “self check-in” process so they could speed up the time it takes to get people to the terminal.  Now, I’ve used the self check-in before, and its quite painless.  But you’d think they were asking most people to perform triple by-pass surgery on the Pope to get them to use these things.

So I wait in line to check in, and this old guy in front of me is getting all flustered at the terminal because it seems he is unable to grasp the technology of “sliding your credit card.”  He has to hail down a United rep to walk him through a process designed for kindergartners.  Then, a bunch of acne-ridden teenie boppers start cutting in line and pissing people off.  On top of that, you got a couple yahoos checking in baggage and blocking the terminals, which just backs the line up even further and pisses more people off.

So I get checked in, and they send me to this security checkpoint to drop off my bag so it can be searched before it gets on the plane.  I’m standing in this line for 40 MINUTES!  Not only that, but I’m sandwitched between the annoying teenie boppers and a guy with three of the skankiest girls I’ve ever seen in my life hanging off him (I wanted to introduce them to the word “shower,” but I felt I might be overstepping my bounds).  Therefore, I continue to wait, watching the OTHER security checkpoint line move through at warp speed as I’m stuck grinding my teeth to the nub.  Then I get up to the head of the line.  A guard comes up to me and looks at my bag.  “Is that it?” he asks.  “Yep.” I reply.  “Move along,” he says.  So I’m off to the next checkpoint.  Mind you, this took TWO SECONDS.  I began to wonder how many bombs the people in front of me were carrying for our line to take 40 FUCKING MINUTES to get through.

So I’m waved to the next security checkpoint and wait in another line.  Only this isn’t the line for the next security checkpoint.  Its the line to GET to the line for the next security checkpoint.  I pass that and go to the REAL line which is where they x-ray your bags and you go through a metal detector.  I’m stuck in this thing and amuse myself by looking at any HB I can find to pass the time (I didn’t see many, and the ones I did were too far away to sarge).  So I finally get to the X-Ray and pass the metal detector, making my way into the terminal.

By this point, I have a half hour before my flight leaves.  I’m hungry as hell because I didn’t have time to eat that morning, so I wanted to go to Wolfgang Puck’s to have a nice meal before I’m subjected to what passes for airline food these days, only there is no time, so I opt for McDonalds.  Of course, this ends up being bizzaro McDonalds because its neither cheap NOR fast.  I end up waiting 15 minutes for a Big Mac that cost me $10.

So I head to my gate with the most expensive Big Mac on the planet and start scarfing my food down.  I strike up a conversation with a guy next to me as I do so.  He’s wearing full army dessert fatigues, so I ask him where he’s headed.  He says he’s on his way to Iraq.  It turns out this dude has been on 2 weeks leave and was in the war from the beginning.  He was there when the troops invaded from Kuait, he was there when they took Bagdad, and he was there when they fought ambushes at Tekrit.  Suddenly, this guy who can’t be a year or two older than me is telling me more war stories than my grandfather, and I can’t help but be in awe and scared at the same time.

Now, I’ll be the first to admit I’m a lover, not a fighter.  I don’t want to fight anybody and I certainly never want to have to take another human life.  But I look at guys like the dude I was talking to at the gate, and I am so proud to live in a country where there are men who are brave enough to step up to the plate and fight with the very real possibility of dying to protect pussies like me.  I’ve got friends over in Iraq, and I’m afraid they may not come back.  I have friends who are going to be GOING to Iraq, and I’m afraid for them as well.  But I am so thankful this country has guys like them, because its their sacrifice that allows me to go out and try and pick-up chicks every night.  So I look at this army guy who looks to be around my age but carries the weight of his experience around with him like he were 100 years old, and I ask myself what kind of a world we live in when guys my age are war veterans, it takes 2 hours to get through and airport, and Big Macs cost $10?

All I can say is that I blame it on Bin Ladin.

If what they say is true and there is a paradise with 70 virgins waiting for the next guy to blow up his shoe to arrive, I hope to one day do my part and use my skills to sarge every last one of those chicks, so Habeeb McBoom-Boom gets nothing but sloppy seconds when he shows up.  And if there really is an Allah, he’ll give all the girls genital warts.  And if he’s a REALLY just God, he’ll make them slightly overweight and brain damaged to boot.  That way, the next camel-fucker who pulls a bomb out of his ass can really get what’s coming to him.

/end rant

Thundercat

You Like Me! You Really Like Me!

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/20/03

Wow, so I get into DC and check the blog, and find that there are actually people responding to my rants!  This is great.  I really appreciate the feedback.  It warms the cuckholds (whatever those are) of my cold, black heart to see people taking an interest and giving me constructive feedback on my various escapades.  Hopefully this will only grow, not JUST because I am a needy attention whore, but… well, come to think of it, that’s really the only reason.  lol!

Keep the replies comin’ guys.  It helps motivate me to update knowing that there are some people out there with enough free time to actually read this shit.

Thundercat

Some Random Craziness

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/19/03

Okay, it may be due to sleep deprivation, or the voices in my head have been getting louder, but I’ve dug up a few old pictures of mine and decided to have a little random fun.  Is it seduction related?  Only if you go Gunwitch I suppose.

Thundercat

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Cocky/Funny and Good Looking Guys?

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/19/03

There was an excellent post on the PLAY list asking a question which is a very good one. Basically, the guy who posted said that he’s a good looking guy, but that he seems to hurt his pick-ups with being too cocky and not funny enough. He then goes on to ask the question: What is the proper way to use cocky/funny?

For those of you who might not know, cocky/funny is the primary theory behind David DeAngelo’s Double Your Dating material. His theory is that by projecting a cocky attitude while being funny, you can up your success with attracting women. I know Mystery likes to say he disagrees with this in a slight way, because he thinks it should be more cocky/playful than cocky/funny. However, I tend to disagree with both. I believe that ALL COCKY can be much more powerful.

Why is that? Well, to me, being cocky does so many things initially that will help you in your seduction. The first thing is that cockiness is a way of prizing yourself. You put other people in a position where they are inferior to you when you are being cocky, which naturally leads to them qualifying themselves. Cockiness also sets a powerful frame, which is always the most important thing in a sarge. When you control the frame, its your reality that the girl is sucked into, and she becomes beholdant to it. Thirdly, you are also putting yourself in a power position where you can judge others. I think that judging others is probably the most powerful thing you can do, because it makes them qualify themselves and puts you in power.

But if what this guy is saying is true, he’s already being all cocky and its not working for him. Supposedly, this guy looks like a male model, so he can’t understand what’s wrong. The thing about looks is — I have seen good looking guys who are bad with women because they are socially inept. So looks may be important, but usually not as much as most people think.

The trick with being cocky is to not do it in a malicious way. If you come off TOO STRONG with being cocky, you are going to drive people away from you. Cockiness is meant to be a way of challenging people and lure them into qualifying themselves to you. It comes down to ABJ — Always Be Judging. If you’re self-assured, smart, and judgmental, you can very sneakily get people to fall into your qualification trap (after all, attraction is nothing but an intense need for qualification). However, if you make it so that these people can NEVER get the validation they seek, they will dismiss you as an ass hole and move on. That’s where the “funny” or “playful” part comes in, but you don’t necessarily need to do either to qualify the other person. There are different ways to do that, but both work.

So looks have nothing to do with whether or not cocky/funny works. Rather, its the way in which you present the frame that determines whether it works. You have to be inviting and detached, not closed off and sarcastic. For instance, if you were to say to a girl:

“I don’t like you. You’re annoying. Go away.”

What would happen? Well, it depends on how you say it. If you say it seriously and forcefully, it will come across like you REALLY don’t like her, you REALLY think she’s annoying, and you REALLY want her to go away. By the same token, if you tell her the exact same line, but do so with a smirk and a subtle wink in a way where she can’t tell if you’re being serious or not, she’s not going to know if you mean what you say or are playing with her. So she’ll be more likely to stick around and try to find out, and then BOOM! You got her.

If you watch a natural or a regular ass-hole work, you’ll often see this. They don’t really care if they get the girl or not, so they can be cocky, but are congruent with the way they present themselves and usually succeed in sucking people into their frame.

So, long answer short: Cocky/Funny will always work, no matter how you look. You just need to do it right.

If the guy who posted that reads this, you gotta work on your presentation and delivery. That’s the bare bones of the matter and where I think your problem may lie.

If you happen to be a good looking guy, the best PUA to study in my opinion would be Sickboy. He actually IS a male model, but his game is very effective because he has no ego about himself. But he does have an understanding of attraction and qualification. You might want to try searching for him on mASF or hunt down his Interview Transcript in the PLAY archives. Its definitely worth a read.

Sarge on,

Thundercat

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