The Top 10 Pick Up Artist Of 2009!

January 1, 2010 by  
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Welcome one and all to this year’s edition of my Top 10 PUA list.  My Top 10 list is different from most people’s, for a few reasons.  The first of which is I try and personally meet and interact with as many PUAs as I can to get a sense if they’re the real deal or not.  Most people out there just rank their friends or go based off of what the message boards say, but I try and base my rankings on my personal experience – not only with the PUAs themselves, but with the techniques of picking up women in general.

But more than that, I base my rankings on more than just sheer skill at picking up women.  The criteria for the rankings are simple:

1.  In-Field Performance. This is basically the skills the PUA displays in the field with women.  Most Top 10s deal with this factor exclusively, but I’ve found that just looking at a guy’s in-field performance can be misleading, since people have off-nights or can get lucky.  That said, their ability to use the techniques in field repeatedly and consistently to get results is a big, big factor in the ranking process.

2.  Innovations. This is what new outlook or techniques the PUA brings to the table.  It’s easy for any new guy to get good using Mystery Method or any other school of seduction, but then again, that stuff is designed to work!  So being innovative and bringing a new twist, spin, philosophy, technique, or whatever to the mix is also a big deal, because that means the PUA actually has something to contribute to his students and the community as a whole that no one else does.

3.  Teaching Ability. This is how effectively the PUA can teach what he does to other people, and have them get similar results.  This is another important factor, because it weeds out the people who are just the lucky naturals, and finds the PUAs who have something to offer humanity as a whole.  After all, I don’t care if a guy gets laid a lot.  I care if that guy can get ME laid a lot – and I think the same is true for you.  That is why I factor in the PUA’s ability to teach others into the ranking.

4.  Contributions To The Community.  This is a measure of how much the PUA “gives back” to others in the seduction community.  This factor is all about the PUA’s willingness to help others, the knowledge and experience he’s willing to share, and the compassion he shows to those who need help.  Too many PUAs look down on people not as successful with women as they are, and that’s not what the seduction community is about, so giving back to it should play a factor, in my opinion.

5.  Philosophy.  This comes down to the PUA’s outlook on life, women, and other men in general.  It’s about how they live their lives, and whether they’re consistent with it.  Some PUAs spout great philosophy, but don’t really believe in it or practice it.  But it’s that core foundations which will influence their students, so I believe this is important in factoring the rankings.

6.  Likability.  One of the things I base my ranking on is whether I actually like the PUA or not.  This is a subjective thing, but I feel its important, because there’s usually a reason I don’t like someone, and that reason has to do with them being a fake, fraud, evil bastard, or what have you.  I like to think I have a fairly decent “B.S. Radar,” so when I meet a PUA in person, I can usually tell if they are legit or not after getting to know them, which is why I tend to rank PUAs I have actually met in real life.  If I haven’t met them, I need to get good feedback from at least 3 sources I trust to make the decision to rank them in this category.

Okay, so now that you know how I rank the list, let’s get to it!

The Top 10 PUAs Of 2009!


We have a new #1 this year, up from #2 last year, and it is my great pleasure to announce that the top pick up artist of 2009 is AFC Adam Lyons.

Now, this might come as a surprise to many people out there, especially considering that Adam is one of the few pick up instructors out there who is actually married, but hear me out here…

First of all, Adam is one of the rare PUAs out there that is an innovator.  He’s personally responsible for coming up with some of the most exciting new material out there when it comes to meeting women and picking them up.  His lectures on “Meta game” alone can rival anything Mystery would lecture about back in the day, and his methods have proven to be effective time and time again.

Adam is also probably one of the most widely traveled PUA instructors operating today.  Not only has he run bootcamps around the US, but he also does numerous workshops overseas as well, proving that his methods work internationally.

In addition to all that, and probably one of the biggest reasons why he won out for the top spot this year, is that the students at Adam’s bootcamps get some of the most amazing results I’ve ever seen at any bootcamp anywhere – and consistently at that.  It’s not unusual for his students to get some type of close at his workshop, some of which have even boasted a 100% close rate – in which every single workshop student either made out with a girl or had sex within the time period of the bootcamp.

This is also reflected in the enormous amount of good reviews that Adam and his workshops get consistently from students.  Adam is able to tailor his teachings and his approach to help his students get great results.  Does that mean every student Adam gets is 100% satisfied?  Probably not, since some guys out there have a hard time learning these methods, but from my experience, a ton of guys out there, and the majority of the people who take an AFC Adam bootcamp, are happy with the attention they received and the results they got.

Adam has also gotten a lot of press in 2009 – good press which is a positive reflection on the Seduction Community in general, from TV appearances to full page profiles in major magazines, Adam’s savvy media skills prove that pick up isn’t sleazy or sexist, but can actually be healthy for both men and women.

But most of all, Adam is also responsible for personally training a HUGE number of PUA’s who teach other rival companies workshops.  Not since Mystery have I met a PUA who was personally responsible for spawning so many pick up instructors.  If you’ve taken a workshop from any company, chances are you’ve met an instructor who was trained by AFC Adam Lyons.

Probably the biggest criticism I can think of about Adam being the #1 PUA in the world for 2009 is the fat that he is married.  It can be argued how can one have a Pick Up Artist who isn’t able to actually pick up women?

Again, this is where my list differs from most.  I don’t just look at a PUA’s ability to get numerous women to sleep with him.  To me, there are many other factors that play a pivotal role in my rankings.  But to me, getting married is NOT a strike against a pick up artist.

I believe that a PUA who has a girlfriend or a steady relationship of some sort is a sign of mastery.  The fact that AFC Adam not only got married this year, but got married to an amazing (and beautiful) woman is a huge sign of the level of relationship mastery this pick up artist has achieved.  After all, what is the point to mastering one’s love life if that love life is nothing but a stream of meaningless one night stands and shallow relationships that don’t bring either party any sense of lasting happiness?

To me, finding a great girl and falling in love and getting married is extremely END GAME.  Adam not only found a great girl, but also continues to teach PUA with her help AND support.  What other PUA can boast that type of achievement while continuing to have a have a healthy relationship?  (Answer: not many!)

And though Adam is married, he is still able to demonstrate his teachings to his students effectively.  Sure, he may not be the “uber-pua” he used to be, rolling into clubs with 40 women at a time, all of which were competing to sleep with him, but that doesn’t make his methods any less effective.

Because of all this, and the fact that my interactions with Adam continue to prove that he is a well balanced, intelligent, and god natured human being, leads me to give the crown of the world’s #1 PUA of 2009 to him.

2.  Brad P.

Last year’s number one falls to the number two spot this year, not because his skills have diminished at all, but because Adam just brought his A-Game in 2009.

Brad P. is still an incredibly innovative PUA, and I would argue that he’s “de-throned” Mystery as the figurehead of the Seduction Community.  Not only is Brad aon the forefront of teaching workshops here in the US, but he’s also mastered the art of helping his students reach amazing results.

In fact, Brad’s biggest achievement this year comes in the form of his Pick Up Mansions, where his students live in LA with almost daily interaction with instructors where they’re taken out to clubs in Hollywood and taught everything they need to know about getting super hot women.

Brad actually took me on a tour of the two Pick Up Mansions operating in Hollywood, and I must say, I was quite impressed.  In a way, it sort of reminded me of the days of Project Hollywood, only the houses weren’t as nice and there was far less drama and way more girls involved.

Like Adam, Brad is also training quite a formidable stable of qualified instructors, though they seem to be only working within his business at the moment as opposed to the numerous people Adam has trained which moved on to chase their own fame as Pick Up Instructors.

Like Adam, Brad’s workshops consistently get great reviews, and Brad’s skills as a pick up artist are sharper than most people’s I’ve seen in this industry.  And unlike most PUA’s, Brad doesn’t have an ego about his skills.  He freely admits that Pick Up is hard, and he doesn’t always get the girl he wants, but he never stops trying, and that kind of truthfulness is extremely refreshing in an industry where PUAs continually overexagerate their prowess to get more male applaumb.

On the training front, Brad still boasts one of the best darn seduction products on the market – his 30/30 club, which I personally think is amazing.  Brad’s focus on quality never ceases to amaze me.  He actually turns away students for his 30/30 Gold club because he can only give so much personal attention!  It’s this dedication to his students and sheer skill in the field that makes Brad one of the top PUA’s of 2009.

And who knows?  Maybe next year he’ll be able to reclaim the #1 spot.  I guess we’ll see.

3.  Neil Stauss (“Style”)

A mainstay of the Top 10 retains his number three spot this year, though in sheer individual skill, Neil has never been anything less than #1 in my book.  But again, my rankings go by many other factors than just individual skill, which is why I ranked Adam and Brad above the “Master” pua Style.

Neil’s Stylelife Academy continues to teach numerous students amazingly effective techniques straight from Neil’s playbook, and they have also started putting on live seminars to help teach people how to live full and well-rounded lives.  For that, Neil must be commended, but even with all that, Neil himself has been relatively absent from the community this year.

This isn’t a criticism, since Neil is a professional author as opposed to a professional pick up artist and has other responsibilities, but gone are the times where we’d see Neil posting his latest adventure, technique, or criticism on a public forum, which is a real shame.

However, like most master PUAs, Neil does have a new girlfriend who he has been having crazy, wile, sexual adventures with.  Neil has even boasted to me how he has regular threesomes, foursomes, and even FIVESOMES (all women, of course) now, which has pretty much zapped his motivation to go out and pick up.  Not that I can blame the guy!

It used to be Rick H. was the gold standard by which one would judge PUA orgies.  Now it seems that title is going to belong to Neil.

Neil’s books also continue to recruit new blood into the community on a daily basis, and he’s truly solidified his position as a “Grand Master” of the seduction community.  Hopefully 2010 will bring us more vintage Neil.

4.  Cajun

Cajun is one of two Love Systems instructors who made it onto this year’s top 10, and in my opinion, it is long over due.  Cajun is probably most famous for his appearance of the TV show “Keys to the VIP,” where he showed his skills in club approaches in a competition setting.

That was early in his career though.  Since then, I’ve heard about how Cajun has come a long, long way.  I actually got to meet Cajun in Las Vegas this year at the annual Love Systems Superconference, and was quite impressed with the vibe I got off him when I did.  Unfortunately, I did not get to hang out with him as much as I would have liked.

However, I have heard from numerous sources that Cajun is the “real deal” when it comes to not only being a solid instructor, but a tried-and-true pick up artist in his own right.  I’m also hearing rumors that he’s developing some of his own techniques to fit within the Love Systems “Mystery Method-esque” style of pick up.

So Cajun debuts at #4 based on his sheer skill and prowess as a pua, and his ability as an instructor.  I’m hoping I can see more of him in 2010.

5.  Mystery

I debated including Mystery on this year’s list or not.  I don’t think it can be disputed that Mystery is a great pick up artist, but 2009 did not seem to be his year.  His VH1 show got canceled, and it would appear his fame hasn’t helped his game much.  I’ve heard numerous reports from various sources that his reputation as a “Pick Up Artist” has made it very difficult for him to actually pick up girls in clubs here in America, who recognize him and prefer to run away as opposed to giving into his shtick.

This may explain why Mystery is spending most of his time in Thailand now.  But not all is bad, the cancellation of the TV show has forced Mystery to teach more workshops in 2009, and no matter what you say about Mystery, you can’t deny that he’s a darn good teacher.

I’m really hoping Mystery comes back to his roots in 2010.  It would be nice to see him actually get excited about pick up again, and engage with the community at large.  Sure, he’s a daddy now, and that seems to have grounded him, but I miss the Mystery I knew in 2004 and 2005, and I really hope he can make a comeback soon, because that guy revolutionized the seduction community.  Can he do it again?  I sure hope so.

6.  Swinggcat

Swinggcat has always been a bit of an enigma in the Seduction Community.  He started off as the top “hypno-seducer” in the community, and eventually branched out into his own style of pick up, which has proven to be extremely successful.

But with his branching out, he has also removed himself from the seduction community at large.  Its very rare to find a post from him in any of the forums, even though he’s known to keep careful tabs on what people are writing.

But in actual, individual skill as a pick up artist, few come close to Swinggcat.  His ability to go out to a club and get laid is rivaled by few.  He’s not only a master of the “in-venue” close (read:  dragging a girl into a bathroom, closet, or alleyway and having sex), but he’s also quite good at getting one night stands by pulling girls back to his appartment.

He’s also able to get threesomes quite easily, and goes out to the clubs on an almost regular basis.  But 2009 has also seen Swinggcat branch out.  He’s not only started training instructors in his methods, but he’s also flirted with teaching in-field workshops, which up to now only a select few have been privy to.

If Swinggcat continues to grow as a teacher and engages more in the seduction community at large, I can see him climb the rankings next year very easily.

7.  Luke Krogh

To be honest, Luke probably deserves to be ranked higher on this list than he is, but in terms of experience and reach, the others just outrank him.  However, in skill, Luke can probably play with the best of them.

One of the things I like about Luke is that he’s an extremely effective PUA, even though he’s overweight, has a bad complexion, and would not be the typical image of a “pick up artist.”  In fact, I’d say Luke is the epitome of the “Looks Don’t Matter” argument when it comes to picking up women.

Luke is AFC Adam’s top instructor, and his apprentice.  In that respect, Luke isn’t really an innovator, but he has figured out how to get Adam’s teachings to work for him.  He’s famous for his AMOG techniques for blowing out the (often better looking) competition and running away with their women.

But Luke is also getting lots of play in clubs and strip clubs, often pulling girls directly from the venues for nights of crazy, wild, monkey love.

On top of all that as a skilled PUA, Luke is also an instructor on many of AFC Adam’s bootcamps, and his students are usually incredibly impressed with his teaching abilities.  That’s not to say Luke doesn’t suffer from the A.D.D. that seems to plauge most PUAs, but at least he’s able to get most of his students a result, and he’s got real world experience to back that up.

If Luke can start innovating more and continue to refine his teaching techniques, I wouldn’t be surprised if we’d see the next big PUA superstar.

8.  Keychain

Keychain came as a big surprise to me this year.  I had never heard of the guy before attending the Love System’s Superconference this year, and when I first met this Love Systems instructor, I was unsure what to make of him.  The guy looks like a scrawny, British, almost less-annoying version of Carrot Top.  In fact, he almost comes off as effeminate when you first meet him.

But after seeing him lecture at the event, I could see that not only is he probably one of Love Systems best lecturers, but he also has a very firm grasp of the concepts and techniques surrounding the pick up arts.

I’m also told his skill level as a PUA is quite good too, though I unfortunately did not get a chance to see him in action myself this year, but I have sources who assure me the guy is the real deal.

Hopefully I’ll get to see and hear more from Keychain in 2010.  He’s definitely one I’ll be keeping an eye on.

9.  Glen P.

Glen P is one of the few PUAs who made it on the list this year that I did not get to meet, and the only PUA on the list that I have actually NEVER met at one point or another.

So it speaks volumes that everyone I talk to about him is incredibly impressed with Glen’s skill as a Pick Up Artist.

Glen is an instructor in the Brad P camp, and supposedly he has a style which is mostly his own.  Students rave about his prowess as both a pick up artist and an instructor, and I’ve even heard hidden audio recordings which showcases Glen’s ability to cold approach and pick up anywhere.

One of my goals for 2009 was to meet Glen P in person, but unfortunately that just did not happen.  I’m sure that Glen probably deserves a higher spot on the list, but the fact that every bit of info I have on the guy is from second and thrid party sources makes that kind of hard.

However, his legend and reputation is growing.  Who knows?  Maybe 2010 will be the year of Glen?

10.  Asian Playboy

This year’s list rounds out with that of Asian Playboy, one of the few successful Asian pick up instructors.  I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Asian Playboy a few times, and I’ve always enjoyed it.  But his skill as a pick up artist and a businessman seems to be growing as time goes on.

I have it on good authority from more than a few sources that Asian Playboy is out in the field almost CONSTANTLY, which is always a good sign for a guy who teaches Pick Up.  Also, his specialty in picking up “white women” seems to be why his appeal is growing in the asian community.

Asian Playboy is also becoming a lot more media savvy, gaining more mainstream exposure for his methods and his business.

I did not get to hang out with Asian Playboy in 2009, but I don’t doubt that there is no better Asian pick up artist out there.  Can he compete with the other PUAs on this list?  Quite possibly.  Hopefully 2010 will bring us more from the Asian Playboy camp.

So there you go, true believes, this year’s top 10 PUA list!  I’d like to thank everyone reading this for supporting my blog, even though it hasn’t been updated in forever (something I’m making a resolution to correct this year!).

And for those of you who want to be considered for the top 10 next year, here are a few guidelines you’ll want to consider…

1.  Be innovative!  Don’t just copy someone else’s style.  Come up with something that is uniquely your own.

2.  Make contributions to the community.  This can be in the form of posts, lair meetings, workshops – anything where you help guys improve their lives.

3.  Promote healthy relationships.  Show that you can have a steady girlfriend or a healthy relationship with a girl.

4.  Check your ego.  If other people talk about you, you’re probably good.  If you’re the only one talking about you, you probably suck.

5.  Try and meet me in person.  I very rarely rank someone I haven’t personally met at some point, and there is a reason for that.  If you want to seriously be considered for a 2010 ranking, we gotta meet up – preferably in LA, so I don’t have to travel.  ;-)

That’s it!  Happy new year everyone!


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92 Responses to “The Top 10 Pick Up Artist Of 2009!”
  1. Carlos says:

    “Mehow’s a huge fraud. I’ll be posting stuff about him soon enough.


    I am curious about this. I have mixed feelings about Mehow. On one hand he seems like a nice guy but on the other hand there is something about him that just feels off. It wouldn’t surprise me if he actually was a fraud.

  2. Diablo says:

    Bad Boy ????he should be on that list Thundercat

  3. Matrix says:

    This seems to be a good list but where is Sinn and Gambler? These are the two most visible PUA’s on the internet…

  4. Jacob says:

    Who cares about Sinn and Gambler?

  5. Joey says:

    Hi Thundercat,

    I am fully aware of your dislike of Tyler Durden and Real Social Dynamics and I also had my doubts of them based on their depiction in Neil Strauss’s book The Game. One of my friends gave me his new product The Blueprint Decoded and it blew me away. His instructors Jlaix and Tim are incredible instructors as well. They really have innovative ideas that revolve around deep identity level change and authenticity.

    I’m sad that there is still a split between Real Social Dynamics and the rest of the community because I believe that together as a whole, you guys can work together in a synergistic manner to reach a new level in the community. I enjoy reading your post and it really informs me of who are the current big pick up artists but based on the criteria you gave, it would be a crime to leave out Tyler Durden.

    Hoping not to induce anger,


  6. Kojo Simpson says:

    Hey, Thundercat:

    Interesting List. I know a main criteria of yours for any PUA to be high up on this list is innovation in 2009. But just curious as to why the following are not listed:

    Lance Mason, Mehow, Sinn, Zan, David Wygant, Juggler and Matador.

    I know there can be room for only so many at the top, but just a line on why each of these guys fell short would be interesting to ponder on.

  7. Kojo Simpson says:

    ….And Speer as well.

  8. Joey is a moron says:

    “I’m sad that there is still a split between Real Social Dynamics and the rest of the community because…”

    ..rsd is a cult where u get banned if u don t give them money or praise them.

  9. dalexis says:

    i did a residential with Adam and Luke. Luke is impressive. The way he is able to attract and pick up any girl in almost any circumstances are very impressive in my own eyes. Great choice!

  10. Lair List says:

    Great list. Still think Speer is the best out there right now. Great prices too.

  11. Mehow says:

    you’re a fraud u fat piece of shit. Wen was the last time u got laid wanker. By the way most of the RSD students get laid more than these guys on the list. Cajun is solid and so is glen, the rest r fuck ups like fatcat

  12. jimmy says:

    afc adam doesnt approach or demo on bootcamps

    keychain has been in game less than one year

    cajun looks like johnny depp

    luke has been in game less than one year and has minimal game

    the others i wont speculate. this list just contains friends and affiliate members. it is an absolute joke. gambler? are u kidding he has NEVER demo’d or approached.

    Sinn, RSD Guys, MR M, Vercetti, Kingy are a few that should be on the list.

  13. roberto says:

    Have you guys heard of Walter Hinnant i predict he’ll be on the 2010 list his work ethic fuckin crazy!

  14. Maleko says:

    I agree with a couple of people on here who said RSD shouldve been included. We really use an explanation as to why they were left out???

  15. Joe90 says:

    What London lair is that then thundercat?

  16. Anonymous says:


  17. Anonymous says:

    Rob Judge should be considered on next years list.

  18. AABLUES says:

    Why Mehow is a huge fraud ? Are you crazy ?

  19. Asian Playa says:

    Just curious guys, How is David Deangelo’s teachings compare to newer material? Currently going over David D. stuff and wondering should I pay for upgraded material. I have a couple of mehow material and I really didn’t benefit that much from it. I’ve also gone over several of RSD material and didn’t like it much either too. Here is my top PUA in my own list: Sinn, Style, Hypnotica, Swingcatt and David D. Peace

  20. WXW says:

    I have traveled the world and continue too. I have met and worked with almost every PUA on this list and more. I would say almost always the ones who are the most well known are really the best at marketing themselves. However, they are usually no where near the best at pick up or helping others be good at it. I wish I could make a top ten list of the real deal but I can’t. Here are 3:

    1. Awaken – He is almost unassuming in his way and I truly have never seen anything like him. He just moves from one situation to the next lighting up the room. This guy is a real human being who genuinely wants to make people better.
    2. Glen P – Pure Charisma-Extreme in his aim but also cares and gets real results in his life and his students. If you really want to understand the psychology of women on the deepest levels and get laid, there is no one better.
    3. El Topo – He too has a real interest in making men better people and has a real knack for keeping it simple. Steve like Awaken and Glen P has an authenticity about him and not just a bunch pua shit…He like them was able to further me on my journey to being my own Casanova.
    Of course there are others who are good, but honestly that doesn’t mean they actually help others in any meaningful way.

  21. Adam says:

    I don’t think either that Mehow is a fraud. He seems to be a good guy. But this list is a joke. What did Mystery put on the table in the last couple years compared to e. g. the RSD guys? Not much. Tyler, Jeffy, Tim… these guys kick ass. They have real understandings of the keys behind getting good with women.

  22. Which guys actually teach infield? demo? wing?

    adam – doesn’t
    brad p – doesnt
    style – doesn’t
    cajun – does (but looks like johnny depp)
    mystery – doesn’t
    swingcat – doesn’t
    keychain – does (and is probably the most reputable)

  23. JT says:

    Instead of being labeled “Top Ten Pickup Artist 2009″, this list should really be labeled “Friends of Thundercat 2009″

    Anyways, it’s your list, so cool. Whatever.

  24. Truthsayer says:

    I guess Friends of Thundercat will do.

    The real list should be:
    Speer – Not only is he have the most infield out there, but he also has infield of his students. Real Proof.
    Adam Lyons – The guy has alot of great tactics but doesnt demo??? and every video is ages old.
    Brad P – Great Tactics, good teaching style but to obscure.
    Swingcat – Read his book. Great teacher
    Zan – Amazing PUA.
    Cajun – Lovesystems, need i say more?
    Badboy – The man is smooth
    Vin Dicarlo – Great products
    Asian Playboy – Normal PUA Type
    Adonis – Really stepped out this year.

  25. Mike says:

    Check The Legend of JT in NYC

  26. Sebastian says:

    To anybody who responds saying these are bullshit, or that somebody else should be included.

    How many of these people have you ACTUALLY seen? Like, for real, in the flesh?

    If you haven’t, how do you know? Marketing? Intuition? I’ve seen 3 and those three absolutely merit being on this list. Eg: If you’ve ever actually seen Adam you’d know without doubt that he’s the best.

    And there’s a reason he doesn’t demo. He’s MARRIED.

  27. Sebastian says:

    Sorry, make that 4. All in action. All VERY successful.

  28. CasanovaDLux says:


    Is that JTv1 from NYC Sarge Team forums?

  29. Weazel says:

    Truthsayer, what do you think of Carlos Xuma?

  30. Gregory B says:

    Brad P is number 1 on my list followed by Style and Swingcat.

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    Well done Glen !!

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