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Thanks to everyone who tried to check out the podcast last night.  Unfortunately, it seems Blog Talk Radio had some technical issues so the show didn’t stream live.  D’oh.

Plus, for some reason Skype was cutting in-and-out the whole show, so the brilliant commentary by Adam and myself is kinda hard to hear.  It’s too bad because we covered a lot of good stuff, but yeah, you guys may want to skip this episode because the constant voice dropping gets annoying after a while.  (Seriously, it’s like the show was brought to you by AT&T or something.)

We did have 30 callers on the line last night though, so I know at least some of you got to listen in!  We’re working on making it so the next episode has better call quality.  We’re still figuring out the new system as we go.

In this episode of the Bootycast:

• We talk about RJ Hating on AFC Adam and why they are no longer Facebook friends.
• We discuss how much Adam and I love the Jews.
• We talk about how most of the top PUAs are Jewish.
• We talk about Kezia Noble listening to the podcast and hating on us on Facebook.
• We discuss the upcoming Asian PUA Bootcamp behind-the-scenes video.
• We talk about why we think Asian guys lust after white women.
• We interview a real-life Asian about what Asian men really want.
• We take calls and dish out advice.
• Amanda shares with us interesting sex factoids from Cosmopolitan magazine.
• And more!

If you want to listen to the show, you can do so by going to our show page by clicking here.

Ross Jeffries Loses His Mind… Have Video Proof

Hat tip to Thanh Bonsai over on the Love Systems Instructor’s blogs for posting video proof that Ross Jeffries has lost his mind.

Now, obviously this is not Ross Jeffries.  You can tell that by the fact that he is smiling almost the entire time.  If the real Ross Jeffries ever smiled this much his face would melt off Raiders Of The Lost Arc style.  Plus, he looks like he’s having fun.  RJ hates fun.  Also, this video is bringing joy to thousands of people.  Ross would never do anything remotely like that.

PUA Deathmatch: Ross Jeffries vs. David DeAngelo

Welcome to a new feature on the Lair – PUA DEATHMATCH!  For years, people have speculated who would prevail should two PUAs go head-to-head in the field, but until now, none have occured!

Many challenges have been offered, yet we haven’t seen any PUA’s willing to make it happen… until NOW!

Meeting for the first time in mortal combat in the Thundercat Seduction Arena in Orlando, Florida – scheduled for one fall, the two “Godfathers” of the seduction community meet in the first ever PUA DEATHMATCH!

Everyone loves to hate him, and now the originator of Speed Seduction -Ross Jeffries – gets a chance to take on his once-and-former student David DeAngelo!  Its no secret there is a lot of bad blood between these two titans of the seduction industry, and now they get a chance to take out their frustrations on each other!  Will RJ stop at nothing to defeat David DeAngelo?  Will David D.’s meticulous nature wear down the dastardly hypnotist?

Who will win?  Who will survive?  Watch and see in this TSL exclusive:  PUA DEATHMATCH, ROSS JEFFRIES VS. DAVID DEANGELO!!!!!

And if you have any suggestions for future Deathmatches, leave them in the comments below!

List Of “Boyfriend Destroyer” Comebacks

i6power over on mASF has a pretty good list of how to deal with the “I have a boyfriend” objection.

========= Yugo Mercedes ====
“I have a boyfriend.”
“I understand: You have to test drive the Yugo before you buy the Mercedes.”

====== Direct Bounce ======
“omg I’m sure thats a big achievement for a girl like you”
” I’m not interested in him I’m interested in you”
“I thought you looked like the type of girl who would have at least two BF’s” (Dr Owl)

If time permits, ask her about her bf, and become genuinly interested:
1. you: show active interest in what bf does for a minute..run a bait hook reel release on BF….i’ll show you in a minute, how!
now guys the way you look for a simple genuine thing in a girl and complement her, do the exact opposite for bf..look for the flaw. you’ll start programming her!

2. Exadurate how good her bf is, like wow you guys should get married, he is so perfect for you.

=================== is he the one?

HB: I have a boyfriend.

Me: Is he “The One”?

HB: Uhhhhh….. I don’t know….maybe….etc etc
(this is usual. If a woman gives an emphatic YES, I say “Good. I’m glad for both of you.” and disqualify her. One reason is shes going to be hard as hell to game anyway, and the second reason is fucking up good relationships is not why I want to be a PUA)

Me: How do you know I’m not? (Very direct, frank stare. Like the way James Bond might deliver such a line.)

or

Me:…uh-huh…..(With a “You are so full of shit look” and then a slight turn away)

Jim

================== super cocky approach === works only with girl who is infereior to you

(look at her like she’s a retard)

“okaaay… good for you”
( while patting her behind the back or shoulder or head)

“… anyway…” (continue fluff / story telling / whatever…)

==== by RJ =============

Girl: “I have a boyfriend.”
Me: “Damn. At least let me introduce myself before telling me all about your problems! My name is Mr. Right aka the man of your dreams.”
Girl: (LOL) “You are so funny!”
Me: “I’m glad you laughed, it shows that you’ve got something else going for you, besides your beauty.”

Admittedly, the one by RJ is an oldie but a goodie, even if it is cheesy as hell.  But whatever.

The BootyCast Episode 6 – Who’s Got Personality?

Hey guys,

Sorry today’s episode is so late.  I had a number of technical difficulties that caused me to waste a lot of time trying to get it uploaded to the server.

This week’s BootCast episode comes in at a brisk 1:51:34.  In this week’s episode, we talk about:

• Ross Jeffries Devil Worship
• PUA Business Stuff
• Gunwitch Thinks I’m Mad At Him
• The CEO Of Stylelife Is A Douche
• Using Personality To Attract Women
• Tyler Stepping Down As RSD Figurehead

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Ross Jeffries Is A Devil Worshiper (Have Proof)

So a holy crusader, by the name of Bado, sends me a cryptic email of friday with the subject line “Ross Jeffries Youtube Video Worship Satan.”

Needless to say, I was intrigued. And it turns out, the is, indeed, a video on YouTube where Ross Jeffries (using his real name Paul Ross) is advocating devil worship, and promoting an organization (read: cult) he heads up as its leader.

Honestly, I cannot possibly make this up…

Oh, it gets better.  Check out part two…

And here I was, all this time, thinking Ross Jeffries WAS the devil, when in fact he just worshiped him.

Now, some of you may be inclined to believe that is NOT Ross Jeffries.  I can assure you, that is him.  He’s younger, and much geekier, but its the same old bitter, angry Ross we all know and love.

Okay, now that all of that is out of the way, let’s get to the analysis of the videos… Read more

Stuart Smiley was Full of Shit

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/22/03

I want to talk about something that has been a part of the seduction community since Ross Jeffries recorded two little cassette tapes in someone’s garage back in ’97. Its something that is an evil, dirty, foul little beast which in my opinion has no business being ANYWHERE near the people who are actually trying to get good at this stuff. So what am I speaking of? Simple. I am speaking of:

Affirmations.

The reason I speak of this is because there is a topic on mASF that caught my eye. Here it is:

Topic: Affirmations (1 of 8), Read 343 times
Conf: >> General
From: 7
Date: Sunday, December 21, 2003 08:35 AM

I have a few questions about affirmations.

Do you use them and do they work for you?

When do you say them and for how long?

I have noticed that they stop working if I stop using them so do I have to keep doing them constantly or will the changes ever become permanent?

Someone suggested recording the affirmations to cd or cassette. Anyone noticed if listening to them has the same effect as saying them?

Would subliminal recordings be more effective? Anyone here know how to make subliminals?

Here is something for you to test. Last night I tried a new affirmation and I got approached twice. That rarely ever happens so it must have been the affirmation.

Here is the affirmation:

“All women get horny when they see me”

You can find the whole thread at:

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/read?120655,8

But the reason I bring this up is because I believe that AFFIRMATIONS DO NOT WORK!!!!!

Period. End of story.

The days of Stuart Smiley looking into the mirror chanting “I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and dog gonnit, people like me!” are over. In fact, I’d argue they were never really here to begin with.

Affirmations are for insecure people who desperately want any way to validate themselves, to the point where they will start trying to brainwash themselves into believing their insecurities do not exist. This is bullshit. There is no way to get past such insecurities unless you face them honestly and work to find their root cause. Not until you do that will these insecurities go away.

How do I know this? Because I’ve been there. I’ve done the affirmations, and I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt THEY DO NOT WORK.

I can remember back when I was a full fledged member of the Speed-Seduction cult when I was in college, I went ahead and bought the “Unstoppable Confidence” tapes, mainly due to the recommendation of Bishop (who ended up being a con man, go figure). I’d listen to those suckers every day. In the morning when I got up, on my walks to class, and even at night as I was falling asleep. I’d do the visualizations exactly as I was told.

Did it work? Well, no, not really. It didn’t make me feel any different. I was still insecure and scared, and no more confident than I was before. But I so WANTED them to work, that I convinced myself that they WERE working. So I’d go out and act all confident and full of power with my 50-foot tall self ready to crush anything that steped inside my circle of power that was created with my imaginary Green Lantern ring.

The thing is, it was all an illusion. Its okay to “fake it before you make it” in certain respects. But not when it comes to confidence. The thing about confidence is that no matter how well you fake it, something will happen to SHATTER that illusion for you, and it will affect all your actions because of that.

For instance, when I was doing the “Unstoppable Confidence” tapes in college, I’d start walking up to girls and sarging them, running the IC pattern, Blow-Job, Discovery Channel, etc. Most of the time it would go well, but occasionally I’d get a girl who’d say “Why are you talking to me?” “Who are you?” “Go away!” or some combination of the three. At that point, my “confidence” would be SHATTERED. I’d feel like a tool, a fake, a phoney. It ended up hurting me more than helping me BECAUSE I tried to cover up the real problem instead of facing it.

So to the guys out there wanting to do affirmations, I say DON’T DO IT! They may be a short-term fix for some, but long term they do not work! I would recommend that you take an honest look at yourself and try to determine what it is that makes you feel unconfidant, sad, unhappy, scared, whatever. Take a good hard look and figure out what’s causing it, and then FACE THAT. Do not hide from it.

The goal of all Pick-Up Artists or Seducers should be to become a single, congruent entity, and you cannot do that if you’re sweeping your problems under the rug. You gotta face them. Period.

/end rant

Thundercat

The SS List — Beating a Dead Horse

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/17/03

For years, the Speed-Seduction list has been in operation. For a while, it was awesome. There was a real influx of talented seducers there coming up with “nuclear” stuff to use on chicks. Things like “The Warmth Builder,” “Riker’s 3 Rules,” and the amazing “takeaway” abounded. But then the star student turned out to be a con man and one of Ross’s fallen angels went off and started up the competition. Not only that, but fastseduction.com and mASF opened things up for more than just Ross’s products. Since that time, the SS list has endured, but it is a shadow of what it used to be.

Like Freddy screaming at Jason, whenever I open my e-mail to find posts from the SS list in there, I can’t help but yell at the screen “WHY WON’T YOU DIE???!!!!” And then proceed to delete 99.9% of the posts, occasionally reading one that catches my eye until I realize why it is that I bother to delete most of these posts, and then proceed to kill that one as well.

The thing is, even though the SS list isn’t what it used to be, SS isn’t what it used to be either. Gone are the days where you could memorize 40 patterns and steamroll a girl into a subnamuble trance and start fondling her right away. The new SS has degenerated into tailoring shit to the girl you are seducing, which cuts your success rate down to 30% at the least. Because of this, most of the guys who have progressed in their game have opted to leave SS behind for greener pastures. What does this mean?

Simple. There are no “good” seducers on the SS list anymore. It truly is the blind leading the blind, with newbies who haven’t even finished listening to the BHSC giving advice to other newbies, therefore insuring nobody really knows what they are doing. The fact that some of the best threads on there are discussing shit that was brought up in Swinggcat’s book doesn’t help matters.

What I’m wondering is — will it get any better? Will Ross lock himself away in a closet for 6 months and re-emerge with a new form a Speed Seduction — one that actually WORKS and is a viable alternative to DYD, MM, and any of the other 6 billion forms of PUA that have sprung up since the good ol’ days? Will SMART people actually join the SS list and start posting good shit again? Or should this list be killed or die quietly? Honestly, I haven’t seen ANYTHING good come from that list since the days Bishop was posting, and he made up all his shit. Kind of says something doesn’t it?

I think my biggest problem with the SS list comes from the fact that there are actually guys out there who are genuinely in need of help and wanting to learn, and they look at all the crap that’s passing for advice on this list because they don’t know any better, and it only ends up making their situation worse because they follow the poor advice that is given. In fact, most recently, the only person on there I’ve seen give somewhat good advice is Tom Vizzini (when he’s not hocking 3D Mind or any of that other crap, that is).

I hope Ross wakes up to the fact that his list is slowly degenerating into what Apple became in the 80s and early 90s, which is a steaming pile of crap, a shell of what it once was. I hope he starts putting some quality control on his list and his products, and starts dealing with the REALITY of seduction instead of the idealized NLP version of it. I hope he actually steps up to the plate and starts teaching guys what they need to know instead of fairy tales. But then again, that may be too much work.

In the meantime, I’ll just keep deleting my SS posts.

Thundercat

The Top 10 Pick-Up Artists Of 2003

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/16/03

Okay, so the debate has been raging for a while now over who is the best PUA (Pick-Up Artist) out there. Obviously, a lot of egos are involved in this statement, and everyone has their own opinions about who the best really is. In fact, its so subjective, that I don’t really think there will ever be a clear and honest answer on the subject. Its like asking who the best warrior or soldier is in a war. But the fact of the matter remains, no one can ever ALWAYS be the best. They’re always going to have their off days — be a little bit slow, a little bit late, a little bit unprepared or caught off guard. But that doesn’t stop some people from categorizing the people in our little community as “The Best.” So I’ve decided to throw my hat in the ring and rate the top 10 PUAs operating out there.

However, only the people I have met personally are eligible for my list. There could very well be many great PUAs out there that beat these guys out, but I have not met them and cannot verify their skills personally, so they are off my list for now, though I will mention a few afterwards who I think are worthy of it. Also, my rankings are not based on sheer skill alone, rather, they are based on consistency, and what I have seen as far as how often they are practicing what they preach. So keep that in mind as we go through this.

Thundercat’s Top 10 Pick-Up Artist

1. Style: Style is definitely, hands down, bar none, the best operating in the game today. This guy is probably the most evil, sneaky, manipulative bastard I have ever seen in operation. The thing is, this guy comes in totally under the radar, and that is why he is so dangerous. His subtlety is so amazing, that before you know it, you are qualifying yourself to him and he has you right where he wants you. And the thing is, he does it with both girls AND guys. No one is safe. To give you an idea of how incredible Style is, he’s practically invented most of the techniques a lot of the top guys, like Mystery and Tyler Durden, are using and teaching. He is practically Machiavellian in nature, and is someone I both admire and fear. I should also point out that I have a special, non-gay, place in my heart for this man, because it was with his help that I broke down my barrier with approaching women, so I owe a lot of my current game and success to Style, which is another reason why I rate him #1.

2. Swinggcat: Swinggcat comes in at a close second, and would in fact probably be number one if it weren’t for the fact that that he is a better looking guy than Style. Swinggcat is a pretty hip looking (think a shorter version of Vince Vaughn in Swingers and you get a rough idea of what Swinggcat looks like), whereas Style is a skinny, bald, jewish guy. Swinggcat is just as evil, sneaky, and manipulative, but considering what Style has to overcome in the looks department, that puts his game above Swingg’s. That said, I have seen Swinggcat in action on numerous occasions and am amazed at a lot of his game. The way he is able to process and sum up the information girls give him and turn their frame around is truly a sight to see. Not only that, he is so intuative, he can make up cold readings on the fly and be almost 100% accurate, which is fuckin’ creepy. His book only scratches the surface of his vast knowledge, and I think we’ll be getting a lot of good (and evil) stuff from his upcoming newsletters.

3. Zan: Zan is not a name that is very well known in the community, but having met the guy and seen him in action, I am convinced he is one of the top dudes out there when it comes to picking up chicks. In fact, I’d have even placed him at number 1 if it wasn’t for the fact that this guy is a “natural” seducer, and therefore what he does cannot be taught to others. But in accordance with the sheer skill of his game, he lays all others flat on their back. The thing is, the guy looks like a male model. He’s 40 years old, but looks like he’s 20. He actually USED to be a model, in fact, back in France in the 80′s I think, and his girlfriend was Monica Bellucci of the Matrix fame (hey, don’t hate the player, hate the game =). Currently, the guy has between 6 and 9 hot ass girlfriends who ALL know about each other, and apparently he enjoys many 3-somes and fuck buddies to boot. Not only that, but Zan has one of the most amazing philosophies on life I have ever heard. He spends his time moving towards beauty and away from things that are not beautiful. I hung out with the guy for only 3 days, but I am secure enough in my masculinity to say that if I was a chick, I’d have been all over him. Probably the coolest guy in the community. He was on stage at the Chicago DYD seminar, and if David DeAngelo ever decides to sell the audio to that thing, you’ll get a real treat hearing Zan speak about inner game. Simply amazing.

4. Maddash: Maddash, like Zan, is also a successful, good looking, older guy. He’s a big proponant of the “No Game” game, which is pretty much emulating the behaviors of “naturals,” such as Zan, and because of that, Maddash’s game comes off as very subtle and natural. When I saw him in action I was very impressed. It seems like he gets a new girl every night. The thing about Maddash is that his life is not ruled by PUA, he is very much into business and athletics as well. Pick-up is just a small factor of his life, but one he strives to perfect — and boy, does he do a good job at it.

5. Craig: Craig probably deserves to be higher on the list, but unfortuneately, I think the four people above him beat him as far as technique goes. That said, Craig is VERY good. He is the king of the short-set method. This is basically where you approach a set of women, say something funny/amusing, then move onto the next set and repeat. Its a very good way of being social and works great in bar scenes. Its also good for creating social proof. Craig is also a very funny guy, and his dancing skills help attract attention from others (in a good way, mind you). The quality of women Craig gets is quite high. I have yet to see him with a girl I would rank lower than a 9 on the looks scale. Not only that, but he seems to get them pretty consistantly. However, the fact that he comes off as a good looking frat guy, the fact that he has appeared on Elimidate, and the fact that he lives on a beach, are all contributing factors to his success — but that does not take away from the fact that he is very skilled. He is also one of the few PUAs I’ve seen that can do all his shit effectively while drunk. He was also on stage at the Chicago DYD seminar, so you may hear stuff from him fairly soon.

6. Mystery: Okay, I know Mystery is gonna be pissed that I rank him so low (or not. He probably doesn’t give a shit what I think. Can ya blame him?), but in my opinion, for as good as Mystery is, the other 5 guys are better. The thing about Mystery is that he’s incredibly good at raising his value in other’s eyes. I’ve seen him pull off some amazing instances of social proof with his magic tricks, and he is incredibly entertaining, funny, and exciting. Its easy to get caught up in Mystery’s spell. That said, the reason I rate him #6 is because I do not feel his long game is very good. I always get the sense that Mystery has a hard time genuinely connecting with people, and this effects his long term relationships. It seems like he can be very insecure at times and needs constant validation from others, which leads to a lot of mind games that get him his validation, but at the same time succeeds in pushing people away from him. Whether or not this is intentional, I don’t know, but it happens. He also seems to care more about adjusting his game to suit the girl than making the girl adjust to his game, which I think ends up hurting his pick-up in the long run because it is not really congruent with who he is and how he presents himself long term. In fact, if you hang out with Mystery long enough, you get the sense that everything he talks to you about is a pattern, and he always ends up bringing the conversation back to his favorite topic, which is, of course, himself. And that is the reason I put him at #6.

7. Tyler Durden: Tyler is one of the big “up and comers” in the community. His posts made him a legend on ASF, and then once he teamed up with Papa and started doing workshops, his stock only rose. For a while, there was speculation as to whether or not TD was all talk, but he proved to everybody that he was legit in the Vegas Mystery Method workshop where he not only got laid, but got Style and Mystery laid as well. I have seen Tyler at work in the field, and he is impressive. He is a genuinely funny and engaging guy with lots of interesting stuff to talk about. His posts are some of the most interesting to read in the community as well, and he backs up his teachings with lots of field experience. However, like Mystery, I get the sense that TD has problems in his long game. When he picks chicks up, he does so from the frame where he makes the girls feel like “bad girls” or “sluts.” This works good for party girls and good girls alike, but on day two when the frame wears off, the girls associate that feeling with him and then flake, because feeling bad and slutty might be exciting for a night, but long term it is not a good feeling. TD also comes off as very gay. This is not a bad thing per say, but he has adopted the “hot chick” frame so congruently, that I think when girls sleep with him, its almost incongruent with who they thought he was. I could, of course, be totally wrong in this assessment since I haven’t hung out and sarged with Tyler as much as I’d like, but I’m going off of what I have noticed.

8. Primoman: Primoman is a dude that is no longer an active member of the community, but he is still a pick-up artist in every sense of the word. Primoman is known as the “King of the Ugs.” He is a dude who I’ve yet to see without a girl on his arm. Allbeit, that girl is usually ugly, or fat, or a combination of the two, but nonetheless, it is a girl. Primoman is not so much about quality as he is about QUANTITY. He probably lays more girls than any other guy in the community, but he is also not too picky with his prospects. Regardless, he gets laid a LOT! And that’s what it all comes down to in the end. His game is very Juggler in nature. In fact, he is quite AFC in his approach, but he is just so congruent with who he is and gently persistent in his sarge, that he eventually wins the girl over. Lately he’s been working his way up the “looks” scale as far as his girls go, so he may be giving Style a run for his money some day.

9. Sickboy: Sickboy is a protogee of Tyler and Papa. He’s a New Yorker and is best known for his appearance in the movie Zoolander as one of the male models in the movie. Yes, that’s right, the guy looks like a male model. But despite this, he is incredibly down to earth and has absolutely no ego about himself. He’s a very easy guy to talk to and a good friend. His game is also quite solid, though I do think it’s helped greatly by his looks. I think his frames aren’t as strong as they could be, but he definitely has the subtleties of PUA down pat. He recently spoke to the NYC lair and that’s a great read if you can find the transcripts somewhere. He’s a guy to look out for.

10. Harmless: Harmless is not what you would expect from a PUA. He’s pretty prolific on ASF, and seems to know his shit. The thing is, the guy comes off very much as his name describes him — Harmless. He’s a pretty average looking guy who seems very unassuming at first. But then you see the guy in action, and he’s very good. I think he comes across much like Mystery and TD, where he raises his value in the girl’s eyes by being entertaining and engaging. I know I enjoy talking to the guy, if that’s any indication. I haven’t seen enough of his game in action to critique it any further, but I do know he’s going to start teaching workshops soon, so his game’s gotta be pretty high. Regardless, he’s one to keep an eye on.

HONORABLE MENTIONS

There are a number of other people out there who probably deserve to be on this list, but like I said before, I have not had a chance to really see them in action. But here are a few who I think deserve a mention.

Bad Boy — Apparently this guy is amazing. I know TD gets a lot of his AMOG tactics from Bad Boy. He’s a croatian pick-up artist who was injured in the Bosnian war, which makes his game so much more incredible considering he was almost killed and still suffers the effects from that somewhat. Apparently the guy is very fearless and straight-forward agressive with women. In fact, some would descibe his game as all cocky and no funny, which is probably why its so effective. Not only that, but he is supposed to be incredibly congruent. I know he’s currently fucking Miss Croatia and using her as a pawn to pull other women for threesomes if that tells you anything about his game.

Toecutter – I don’t know the guy personally and all I have to go off of are his posts on ASF and Mystery’s Lounge, but this guy seems to have it going on. I know TD studdied his archive like the dead sea scrolls, and his posts convey a very congruent attitude. I’m interested in seeing him in action, and if I’m ever in Canada I’ll see if I can’t hook up with him.

MTLPUA — Don’t know much about him, but I hear he’s really good.

David X — I know Clifford had good things to say about him.

Chet – The Chetinator! I got to see him speak in Chicago. Supposedly he’s god-like with women, but I have yet to see him in action and can’t say for sure.

Adam – The “natural.” Look to see great things from this guy in the future!

Masterclass — The guy is currently juggling 4 girls right now. He’s also an incredibly sneaky speed seducer who is moving more into the cocky/funny stuff and having great success. Right now, I think his game could be up there with the best there is if he got past his fear of approaching.

Rick H. — The legend. I have not hung out with the guy yet, but I’m sure when I do, it’ll be veeeeeeery interesting. =)

Ross Jeffries — I’ve hung out with Ross on a few occasions now and have only sarged with him once. From what I saw, I liked, but have not done enough field work with him to accurately rate the guy. I know Papa speaks highly of him, and he’s been out in the field with him more than I have.

Papa – I go out with Papa all the time, so I’m a bit biased when it comes to his skill level. He teaches at all of TD and Mystery’s workshops as well, and his field reports are always worth a read. He’s also single-handedly bringing this community together, so he has to be respected for that at the very least. The reason I didn’t put him in the top 10 was because much of his material is from Style and Tyler. I think in order to be in the top 10, a PUA needs to be developing his own style. One thing I will say about Papa is that he is incredibly good with creating strong frames.

Alphamale – This guy is incredibly impressive. Most of his game is based on using pivots to pull girls for him. I haven’t hung out with the guy enough to get an idea of how good he is, but from what I have seen, his game is awesome.

Well, there ya go, my Top 10. Hopefully one day I’ll make my list, but I doubt it! I’m much too hard on myself, lol.

That’s why they call me…

Thundercat

It Begins…

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 12/16/03

Mwuahahahahahahahaa!

It seems the revolution has begun. Well, only if you redefine revolution as “shit nobody cares about.” Maybe I’m being a bit hard on myself, I guess some people care — Hi mom!

Anyway, for those of you who don’t know me, my name is Thundercat. Well, that’s not my Christian name mind you. My mother and father did not play some cruel joke on me as a child and name me after some Saturday Morning Cartoon show. Actually, that’s my handle. Yes, in the comfy anonymous blanket of cyberspace, I am known as THUNDERCAT. A handle I picked for myself once I entered a little subculture known as “The Seduction Community.”

The Seduction Community is basically a group of guys ranging from hopeless losers to incredibly successful and cool men who have all come together for one purpose — to learn how to meet, attract, and fuck women.

Yes, that’s right. There are actually groups of guys who are studying how to do this, and I’m one of them.

A little background on myself: I’ve been in “the game” (yes, that’s what its actually referred to as) since 1998. I was a sophomore in college at the time, and pretty much the most pathetic loser you’ve ever met. I was upwards of 300 lbs, with knappy ass hair, horrible acne, and the most bitter and angry attitude you can imagine. One Friday night, I ordered a Papa John’s pizza and sat around watching reruns of Threes Company on Nick-At-Night while my frat boy room mate went out partying with some of the hottest chicks I’d ever seen in my life.

So there I was, 300 lbs, a piece of pizza in one hand and my cock in the other as I jerked off to Suzan Summers back when she was somewhat hot, and it was at that point I had an epiphany…

I needed to kill myself.

No, this wasn’t just some passing fancy, like “Gee, maybe I should buy some more milk and maybe kill myself.” This was a very real thought. The whole patheticness of the situation descended upon me like a fat chick doing a belly flop. What I was doing was laughable, and I knew it. I broke down and start to cry, throwing the mother of all tantrums and trashing my dorm room in a blind fit of rage. After it was all over and I was sobbing quietly in the corner, I knew I had only two options available to me:

1. Really kill myself.
2. Get laid.

Now, there were good arguments for both options at the time. But for some reason the second seemed more attractive. I figured if I could get my dick wet, maybe even get a girlfriend, my life wouldn’t suck so much. However, if I actually knew how to accomplish this task I wouldn’t be in this predicament in the first place.

So I went online and looked up “dating” on yahoo. Nothing really helpful popped up. Then I tried typing in “seduction.” Boom. A hit. Right before my eyes came up two simple words: “Speed Seduction.” A system created by Ross Jeffries that teaches guys how to seduce women using Neuro-Linguistic Programming (ie: hypnosis) to mind fuck them into sleeping with you. It was an interesting concept, and I was desperate, so I spent my last $250 from my summer job and bought the fuckin’ Basic Home Seduction course.

From that point on, I was a loyal speed seducer, diligently studying the BHSC, telling girls they were “shining examples of genetic perfection,” and buying many other products such as — The Unstoppable Confidence Tapes, The Methods and Masters CDs, and Bishop’s Journal.

From ’98 on, I studied SS in a vacuum. I was too ashamed to tell my friends I was trying to learn how to hypnotize chicks into wetting my man-worm, so it was my dirty little secret until I got out of college and moved to LA in 2002. It was then that I started the Los Angeles Speed Seduction Lair due to the prompting of my friend Brother Kermit, a fellow Speed Seducer I met on the SS Email list who had been mentoring me in the creepy art of seduction. He was very involved in the Montreal lair and suggested I meet other bros in the community who could help my game.

So I started the Lair in LA. It was a rough going, since LA was so spread out and attendance erratic. But I did make some good solid friendships out of it, and I guess my name started spreading around. Anyway, around this time one of my lair members informed me of a new club in Los Angeles called PLAY (Players Los Angeles Yahoo group). It was basically the same thing as my lair, only it covered ALL forms of seduction and pick-up. Interested in attending their meeting, I called up the head of PLAY, an asian dude by the name of Papa.

Papa had heard of me and my work in the LA Lair, so he invited me to attend the LA Mystery Method Workshop for free as a guest. Interested in the prospect of seeing something new and fresh, I decided to attend. I had heard of Mystery from fastseduction.com, but was not aware he taught actual in field workshops.

The attending of the MM Workshop was a definite changing point in my life. Until that seminal event, I was steeped in an SS mindset, one which I am convinced helped me conquer my inner game, but prevented me from increasing my outer game. Mystery Method was a very “shit or get off the pot” style of pick-up. One that is not very conducive to mental masturbation or excuses. You either approach the girl, or you don’t. You either lay her, or you don’t. Period.

Well, thanks to those amazing 3 days of hard core in-field study, I broke through my walk-up barrier and became an approach machine. My newfound ability to talk to women I just met, in addition to my years of study in SS, helped me to very quickly step up my game to a place where I am fairly successful at this point in my life.

I have also met, hung out with, and sarged with some of the best in the community. This includes Swinggcat, Papa, Tyler Durden, Mystery, Style, Craig, Road King, Zan, Maddash, Christophe, Little Big Dick, Orion, Harmless, Clifford, Sick Boy, The One, Dreamweaver, Ross Jeffries, Alphamale, J-Dog, Masterclass, Herbal, 26, Merovingian, and a variety of other people with ridiculous made-up names just like me. =)

My associations with these guys has not only drastically improved my game, but given me incredible insight into this sick, petty, amazing, wonderful, scary, funny, sad, and incredibly fascinating community I’ve become a part of. So much so, that I’ve become a bit of a “celebrity” because of my association with various individuals and e-mail lists where I am usually one of the few posting advice that makes some semblance of sense.

I am also a member of Mystery’s Lounge, an invite-only message board reserved for some of the best of the best when it comes to seduction and pick-up artistry. Through Mystery’s Lounge, I have met some incredible people and made some extraordinary friends. But a while back there was a bit of a dispute on the board, one which I felt destroyed the sense of community that had existed up to that point, and one in which Mystery himself instigated. I voiced my displeasure with his decision, and he reponded back to me with something along the lines of:

“If you want to be in the Alpha crowd, you gotta be alpha. if not, branch off of the lounge and make your own lounge.”

Well, I don’t want to make my own lounge. I really don’t want to deal with the trouble of “competing” with Mystery or ASF or any other online seduction forum. In fact, I could care less what other people think/feel/say about any of this stuff anymore, simply because I realized that the more about this stuff I read, the less I actually learned.

I’ve started THUNDERCAT’S LAIR not to compete with anybody, or prove anybody wrong, or make anybody look like a fool or a fake. Rather, I created it to share my experiences with others in a format where I do not feel like I am subject to other people’s approval in order to advance. What you will see on this site will be my own thoughts, feelings, and experiences and I advance in my never ending quest to get pussy.

I can’t promise you that it will always be interesting, or enlightening, or even helpful. All I can say is that it will be the truth as I see it from my experiences.

That is a promise.

And that is why they call me…

Thundercat