Maniac High Returns… sort-of.

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TokyoPUA has recently posted a brank spanking new article from Maniac High on mASF on Chick Logic, of all things. It’s not exactly the amazing homecoming we expected from a legent like Maniac, but I guess it’ll do for now. Anyway, here’s TokyoPUA’s intro.

TokyoPUA writes:
Hey all you Maniac fans,

Well, I did predict Maniac would return, and I was mostly right. Basically, he is still too busy to post formally and get in on discussions, but he did say I could post this recent mail from him on the subject of chick logic and dominance. As usual, its pretty fringe stuff, not for the weak! But it definitely opened my eyes to just how crazy and mind blowing chick logic can be in its extreme, and I thought I had seen it all in this area. Of course, what we dont see here is all the lead up that Maniac has put into controlling this chick over the months, so that could be a contributing factor. Maybe he will explain some more of that in later mails. Anyway, have a read, be amazed, and enjoy.

And here is Maniac’s post.

Maniac High writes:
Having a chat with HBHooker (the chick you saw at the bar who’s fantasy isto be the slave/cheap hooker (though she has never been a hooker).

Get this chick logic.. its a real winner..

Post it on fs101 if you want.. this is so rich…

M: So why do you want to be the cheap hooker?
C: Because if I have to fuck guys, and give you money, it makes me feel controlled
M: Why do you want to feel controlled?
C: Because that makes me feel like your property..
M: And why is it nice to feel that you are my property?
C: Because then I can feel that you own me
M: Oh, I see, so why then do you want to feel owned?
C: Because if you own me, then it means that I belong to you.
M: Ok…. I see…
C: and then if I belong to you, I feel safe and not alone

[note the last answer is a usual chick answer, but all the above, is a real amazing feat of logic (which I have to say is bulletproof) to get there...]

It gets better though… then I asked her, well, why didn’t you become a cheap hooker before you meet me?

C: because I don’t need the money.. what I need is an owner, or a pimp, so I can give him the money, otherwise it is useless. (HBHooker is from a reasonably upper class family, so doesnt need money at all).

c: if I give the money to my pimp, and he buys clothes or something with it, when I see it, I know he used me to get that, so I can feel owned, and safe.

You can read the whole thread here.

Realizing Your Hotness

ijjjjji has an excellent post up about male attractiveness. I think he says a lot of good things, especially for someone like me who sits in an office all day and is overweight.

ijjjjji writes:
I’m beginning to realize that I’m no longer the UG4 that I used to be. For a man, his confidence, alphaness, fitness level, social skills and his ‘ability to acquire material things’ are HUGE PARTS of his hotness.

It is equally important for men to be HOT as it is to girls! But, how ‘genetically cute’ you are, plays an extremely small role in male hotness.

Before I started working out 1.5 years ago, girls who tried to guess my age said anything from 30 to 35. Before x-mas I struck a long streak of girls who refused to believe I’m more than 25… I’ve been getting the question about what I’m studying a lot..

And the ultra hot 19 YO I brought home on friday was SHOCKED when I told her my occupation and she told me it was impossible since that education takes like 5 years in university, and she is pretty sure I’m not more than 22..

It is ridiculous, and I refuse to take these silly girls seriously.. but I do notice that my facial features are improving INCREDIBLY MUCH with the work out.

Since the muscles in the face and in the neck are growing, the skin is being filled and stretched out.. thus removing beginning wrinkles I had 2 years ago.

I’m trying to loose some more fat right now, and I think my looks are improving from one week to the next. It is incredibly inspiring and makes me wonder how good I could look if I was able to cut alcohole and nicotine completely.. I will get there!

So seriously, if you are trying to become a PUA but don’t hit the GYM intensively 3 times a week, I think you are very unserious about your plan to become a PUA!

The thread goes on with many excellent responses. You can read them all here. This is actually a subject that hits very close to home for me right now. There was a time in my life where I weighed close to 300 lbs, and through sheer willpower and persistence, I was able to lose 100 lbs. It was a very interesting time in my life, because I looked and felt better than I ever had before, and it definitely changed all aspects of my life and my interactions with other people.

When you boil everything in this game down to it’s core, the fundamental trait every guy who’s good with women has to have is confidence, and so much of confidence has to do with how you feel about yourself. Getting in shape and taking control of your life is absolutely vital to that. Mystery has this thing about how life is boiled down to 3 things: Health, Wealth, and Relationships, and I fully agree with that trinity. But in my estimation, you can’t have good Wealth or Relationships if you don’t got your health. There IS a hierarchy there.

I think I’ll be reading this thread very closely and following the advice. I’m glad we got guys like ijjjjji around to offer up his experiences like this. =)

Becoming a Mercenary

Dimitri has a rather excellent post up on the General board of mASF where he extrapolated a rather interesting concept from the MrSex4uNYC archive (I still gotta read that “Best Of” post, damnit!!!). Anyway, he has this to say…

Dimitri writes:
On one last note, MrSex4uNYC settled another thing for me that I’d wrestled with in the past: I went from near always accepting a woman’s frame to near always rejecting a woman’s frame to a certain balance in between, now. I understand why I do this and why it works more.

In his post, NYC talks about always being a leader unless a better leader is around. If there is one, he doesn’t become a follower, he becomes a *mercenary*. For me (in other words, this is my interpretation) he’s working with the other person for as long as he’s getting what he wants, but when he’s not getting “paid” any more, he’s off to the highest bidder again, or working alone. That’s my new modus operandi. I’m in charge of myself until what someone else is doing is better for me. In that case, I’m behind them as long as it’s furthering my cause.

That idea in the above paragraph is now my own… NYC didn’t write the first part verbatim, nor did he extrapolate like I did. It’s my interpretation of how it’s going to be, and how it’s been becoming. Now I can articulate the attitude I’ve been ever-more becoming, and having the words for it is glorious.

And I get the added bonus of being a “Mercenary” now! How fucking sweet is that? “Mercenary Dimitri”… next time a woman asks what I do, I’m going to say I’m a Mercenary. Matter o’ fact, I used to use this as a stock response a while back. “I’m for sale to the highest bidder…” I wonder why I stopped using that…

Oh well. Anyway, yeah, I’ve gone off on a tangent, but my original idea: Leadership. Be in control of *yourself* and what you keep you around yourself. You can’t control a woman, but you can control how much she is around you, how much she affects you, and how much of yourself you’ll share with her. For me, accepting another frame or another’s leadership is acceptable, no… it’s correct, if working with that person I am better able to achieve my own goals. And MrSex4uNYC seems like a really badass guy.

I like that idea, because it reframes situations where you’re with your wingman. Instead of being subserviant or beta to your buddy, you can be more of a hired gun. Plus, I like the part about telling the girl “I’m for sale to the highest bidder.” lol.

The whole thread can be checked out here.

Guys who FClose

Harmless has a pretty good response to a thread started by Sirducer about guys who Fuck Close repeatedly.

Harmless writes:
It’s all about finding that ONE girl who can be convinced to
come home with you TONIGHT.

Some guys might say that with enough skill you can pull ANY girl. Bullshit. With enough skill, you learn to CALIBRATE and figure out which girls you can game well enough to come home with you. This has to do with their receptiveness and your skillset.

It doesn’t matter if you open 1 girl or 100. All that matters is FINDING a girl who you can take home and CONVERTING it into a lay.

I can pretty much tell in the first 20 minutes whether or not a girl is coming home with me. Calibration, guys. Calibration.

fcloses are not so much a seperate skillset as an extremely time distorted version of a regular PU.

Good stuff. Calibration is very important in dealing with ANYONE you’re trying to persuade or manipulate. You can read the whole thread here.

Suggestibility Games

I found this great post via Sir Italian’s Seduction Blog about Suggestability Games. This guy, Professor Brian David Philips, describes some great techniques to derive indices for whether a subject is easy to hypnotize or not. The funny thing is, I think a lot of these can be adapted to Interactive Value Demonstrations (IVDs). I’ll have to play around with these a bit more. Here are a few of my favorites:

1. MUSCULAR RELAXATION
This is a test of how well you can relax. Sit comfortably and raise your left arm to a right angle position in front of your chest and extend your right forefinger and place it under the center of the left palm. Concentrate on relaxing your left hand and arm completely so it’s only support is the extended right forefinger. When you are confident that your left hand and arm is completely relaxed, let me know and at the count of three take your forefinger away. . . one, two, three.” See what happens. If your hand falls then you’ve done great and are relaxed and following instructions. If it does not fall then it can’t be relaxed. Try again, this time really relax and let it go loose, limp and relaxed.

Hmmmm. The possibilities!!!! *giggle* Anyway, here’s another great one:

3. THE LEMON
Ask subject to close his or her eyes and imagine looking at, feeling, picking up, and slicing a ripe, bright, yellow lemon in half. Then he/she invites the clients to picture themselves smelling the lemon, bringing it to their mouth, and finally squeezing some of the juice onto their tongue. The individuals who are aware of salivating and/or smelling the citrus aroma during this exercise are more likely to be good imaginative candidates than those who do not salivate. Some individuals’ mouths will visibly pucker.

Ah, good stuff, good stuff. You can read the whole thread here.

Her Making a Effort Makes it Real

Dimitri has an interesting post on the Advanced board of mASF about how when a woman does things to engage you, she will become more attracted to you in the process.

Dimitri writes:
If a woman is doing things to make the encounter go further, the she’s going to get more attracted. I attribute this to a woman rationalizing that if she’s doing things to make it go forwards with me, she must actually like me.

Actions like…
-Making her find a pen, paper, or whatever else to give you her number
-”Draw a picture so I’ll remember you” when she writes her phone number, or making her write a quote down
-Having her drive to pick me up when we’re going out
-Her paying for anything/everything
-Her doing even little things for me like pouring my tea
-When she makes an offer for me to have anything once I’m back at her place (drink, food), taking it
-When we’re in the bedroom and going at it, telling her to put the condom on
…all have her doing some of the work, as well as that it can put her more or less in a supplicative frame.

I like this because I think it’s a pretty valid point that if you can get the girl to do things where she is trying to keep the interaction going, you’ve effectively gotten her to start chasing you, which is a very good way of increasing attraction. There are many ways to do this, but when it call comes down to it, it’s about having a strong frame and leading the girl once she’s in your reality.

You can read the whole thread on this here.

Best of the MrSex4uNYC archive

Yes, someone with WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY too much time on their hands has put it to good use and done everyone a public service by collecting the best posts from the MrSex4uNYC archive and posting them to the General board of mASF. Lots of good stuff in this massive post can be found here.

Personally, the MrSex4uNYC archive is one of my favorites. I think this guy was the real deal and he has a lot of good stuff to write about. When I have the time, I’ll be sure to read this one all the way through!

The James Method

Oy vey, yet annother wannabe guru coming up with his own method! It seems some guy named James came up with a system that seems to work for him, so he has dubbed it, appropriately, The James Method and has started posting his advice to mASF. So far I haven’t been too impressed with what I’ve seen of his, but then again, I’ve never read any posts of his before, so I guess time will tell if he’s full of shit or not.

Anyway, he has a website detailing his method. I haven’t read through it yet, but I’ll post about it when I do. You can check it out here.

AMOG busting Audio

SteviePUA chimes in with another Live Audio Sarge!

SteviePUA writes
Here is a MP3 from last night. I was sarging a girl who was part of a 4 set. It was three guys and one girl together. The three men didn’t cockblock so I went into full sarge mode, I’d befriended the guys earlier anyway.

I’d already displayed personality and she was enjoying herself. I moved into rapport building by talking about dreams and their meaning.

The vague pattern language is getting underway when an AMOG appears on the scene and begins to engage my target, Danielle.

He introduces himself as Julio Caesar – Julius Caesar. I call him Julio Iglesius. He offers his hand to me and instead of shaking his right hand I offer my left hand because I have a wet right hand from biting my fingers (so I tell him).

Then I take over the interaction again and blow him out. I run with the Roman theme and “What did the Romans ever do for us” (Monty Python line).

He then tries to engage me about the football on TV but I tell him I can’t see it clearly. I have him explain to me who is playing and I condescendingly say “Thanks for telling me, I would never have figured that out.”

He sees he is going nowhere and can’t muscle in on me. He makes his excuses to leave. Listen to him say “Well it was nice to meet the both of you”.

I then bust on the Danielle and say she’s crazy, that we go way back, and he needs to be careful with her. I tell him Danielle lives with me and is related to me. Her buying temperature jumps so much she tries to PUNCH MY BALLS!

“Don’t punch my fucking nuts, that was close, that was a close call.”

Exit AMOG stage left : – )

You can download the audio here.

Being the Cheesy Guy

Tyler Durden has posted a pretty good post in the General forum of mASF about a pitfall a lot of guys can fall into during a sarge, and that is the dreaded “becoming a Cheesy Guy.”

Tyler Durden writes:
Like something that I think a lot of guys don’t get is that girls are chatting you, and yes its important to get them into you – but its also equally important not to do anything stupid to disqualify yourself.

It’s like when you’re talking to a girl, and she’ll be totally into you, but the second you talk about your house or car she instantly loses interest. Or you’ll tell her about how you beat somebody up, and she loses interest. Anything like that is visibly showing that you are trying to change her opinion of you in an artificial way. The same goes for unwitty innuendo or anything that cleverly gets her to do things she’s not choosing to do on her own.

There’s a bit of a data fallacy though with pickup, because guys may do something and think it helped them, but really it only worked because of other reasons.

For example, guys will beat eachother up in front of girls, and their girls will become more attracted. They’ll think “Aha! She likes me because I’m so tough for kicking that guys’ ass!” Really though, they’re not realizing that it was actually that their girlfriend likes insecure guys, and that’s what turned her on. Like for the same reasons you can get blown out of sets with 7s or with any girl who isn’t self confident, by using too much C&F or overgaming, you can attract her by acting insecure. Like these guys don’t even realize that the girls they got by fighting were attracted them because they *lowered* their own value, and it made the girl feel qualified.

This is a very interesting concept. I like the idea that some guys may get lucky by inadvertantly qualifying a girl by lowering their massive value. It’s really never a concept I’ve considered before. Props to Tyler on calling this one.

You can read the whole thread here.

The DJ Bible

You know, I like to think I knew of every Seduction Related website out there, but I guess I need to learn to be humbled. I just found the “Don Juan Bible” page, wich is a collection of posts from the Don Juan Forum. I haven’t gone through and read many of the posts on there, but it seems to be a pretty comprehensive collection of PU knowledge.

You can check it out here.

Get and Keep a Man!

Sexkitten chimes in with a post where she claims she discovered the magic bullet.

Sexkitten writes:
…It’s very simple and I’ve just now figured it out. The only time I’ve ever been without a man is when I didn’t want one. I thought it was the hardcore sexual acts that I like so much. And that I take great care of myself inner and outer self. That’s part of it, but not all. The secret: I ACT LIKE A MAN.

They do not understand me, never has and never will. I like to have a lot of dirty sex. And I take it and leave. I could care less if they call me, and I sure as hell don’t call them. You’ll never find me sitting waiting by the phone. If he messes up, I’ll simply replace him. Sexkitten has never met a man whom she cannot walk away from no matter how deeply I feel or how badly it hurts.

I never say the love word first. Show no interest in wanting to marry or have their children first. Don’t expect or need them to pay my bills. I am a different gosh darn person every other day–mysterious and elusive. I don’t have a charming bone in my body except when I want to–don’t fight, or nag, or whine. I would rather have sex. I look at other men and shows no jealousy when he looks at other women. (It’s normal) I don’t want to spend all of my time with him.

Men simply like us better if they can’t contain us, use, misuse, or abuse us. Treat your man like a prince. Love him, treasure him, kiss him, have sex with him. DON’T EVER try to OWN HIM. Or let him believe that he owns you.

I think it’s funny how her solution to get a man is to “Act Like A Man.” I know a lot of our tactics in the Pick-Up community come from stuff women do to us. Guess it’s kind-of a wierd circle of life type thing. Oh, the irony…

Anyway, I love the last part of her post: Don’t ever try to own him. Or let him believe that he owns you. That’s great stuff, and the best way to keep a relationship healthy and alive IMO.

You can read and comment on the post on her blog here.

Mystery on Jealousy and Phone Game

Mystery has graced the web with yet another $$$ post in the Field Reports section of mASF. He gives away some good tips and tricks which, honestly, should be saved for a newsletter — they’re that good. But Mystery is so passionate about this stuff he can’t help but give it away I suppose.

Mystery writes:
JEALOUSY IS GOOD: IT REVEALS TO A WOMAN SHE LIKES YOU

If Im with a hotty I will OFTEN do a takeaway so that when they find me minutes later Im in set with another girl. this makes them jealous and then I can CHOOSE THEM … this happened to the HB9 I ‘enjoyed’ in Vegas. Same scenario. So the girl then # bridged ME and my ex got up and then conveyed jealous tension by putting my top hat that she was wearing on the girl and then pushing it too hard over her head, covering her eyes. my ex was JEALOUS haa. Perfect. It demonstrates that Im desired by others. the pre-selection switch I talk about on my site is TRIGGERED! THe 9.2 girl said to me, “that is so rude” and I replied, “the plot thickens. Youll have to fight for me … but I think you’ll win”.

This is how to run a jealousy subplot and I believe it is NECCESSARY in ALL sarges. that is why it exists in the COMFORT PHASE of MM. Its hard to build it in every time but when you can the results are ALWAYS SUPER POSITIVE!

NOTE> JUST noticed something! Im excited about this! the jealousy plotline is the LAST tactic I must do in the F2M ATTRACT phase! once I have CHOSEN HER over someone else (which gives her strong IOIs) then Im in COMFORT with her. PERFECT! this is much better than simply throwing in the jealousy plotline somewhere in comfort! nice. oh my god I LOVE THIS GAME! If I absolutely CANNOT do it in F2M, then I have to throw it in sometime in COMFORT. So there is really a WINDOW in which this plot line must be thrown into the game. cool. oh shit this is advanced stuff. The only guys who will even know what Im talking about are Style, Papa and Tyler D.

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FALSE DISQUALIFING

From this sarge Ive noticed a SECOND PLACE where false disqualifiers fit perfectly. we all know about the first place, which is during the M2F attract phase. We will falsely disqualify ourselves (“too bad Im gay or you’d be so my type” or my fave “you and I will never get along”) to our target so that her peer group thinks we aren’t hitting on her and will instantly disarm without the need to do AMOG tactics. negs are in fact a breed of false disqualifier. they build comfort with the obstacles basically. but I used them in this set in a different way … one that I will use in the future! see, during the second attract stage: F2M I said, “I dont think Im really your type” and she qualified herself with “yes you are.” so I said, “Im really weird” and she said, “so am I” and I said “yeah but sometimes Im just like a little boy” and she said, “I love that about you” and that was that. I was IN! haaa. So there I was trying to disqualify myself on PURPOSE and she wouldnt LET ME haa. another one I used was “youre 5ft3 and Im 6ft5″ she said, “I love tall guys”. nice. (I hope I can maybe start a relationship with her – she is hot AND sweet. too bad she lives so fucking far away).

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JEALOUSY! IT WORKED!

so I got her number and then went home with my ex. and did I fuck her? of course! she loved (or hated) the fact that hot women want me and I have choice. she even knew I had the girls # in my pocket. strange but true. After sex, she was in the shower when I called the other girl. its a fucked situation because I am close to my ex, but she is not going to be my LTR so I have to actively sarge on.

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DONT WAIT 2 DAYS TO CALL … CALL IN LESS THAN AN HOUR!

My new # M.O. is to tell my target I’ll call her when Im in bed so I can hear her voice before I goto sleep. (I also told her if we dont see eachother in person within the next 7 days Ill throw the # out, which is true). So when I called she was SO HAPPY to hear from me. She was still in her car driving home (she lives in orange county) but it was a good move to touch base with her that night. Normally Id talk for a long time (hours!) because they are in bed and so am I and its so intimate (and the calls at night are free!) but my ex was here so the girl said shell call me later and I returned to my ex. but now get this. my ex has decided to sleep on the mattress on the floor again instead of my california king sized bed. ah women, confusing creatures arent they.

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UPDATE

the girl didnt call which sucked but the next day she DID call and we talked for a bit. she said she got home late and had to wake early and crashed and was sorry. all is good in the world.

Love Mystery

Mystery is gonna have to change his handle to “Frank TJ Mackey” if he keeps on about jealousy traps and the like, lol. You can read the whole thread here.

I don’t know if I agree with the “Call in less than an hour” thing. I mean, the idea is great in concept, but I’ve seen Mystery in action before. He creates SUPER HIGH value for himself in his sarges, so he can get away with calling that same night because he has so much room to work with. I’m wondering how this will look if us rank-and-file seducers were to do something like this. Would it work? Or would we devalue ourselves by doing so and thus blow our chances?

What do you guys think?

Tingly Method

Tingly from the PLAY and “Seduction, the Art of” lists has hit mASF with his Method, entitled “Universal Boomerang. I know feelings are mixed about this guy and his skill level, as he is yet another self-proclaimed guru who feels the need to create his own method and often fluxuates between beligerent ego-maniacal flamer and selfless teacher, but regardless, someone may get something from his style of pick-up.

So without further ado, here is the Tingly Method.

Tingly writes:
My method is comparable to that of TD, Mystery, Swingcat etc.

INTRO

What Mystery Calls:

Attraction
Comfort
Seduction

I call:

Interest
Trust/Comfort
Arousal

Between these 3 phases I basically have 5 steps or levels of women’s interest, along with what must be done on each level to bump her up to the next. No matter how much interest a woman shows me, when I meet her I automatically have it in my mind that a woman’s interest in me starts on LEVEL 1…NO INTEREST. The object is to get her interest to LEVEL 5. Once there, I can sex her. (Think of a thermometer when you look at this for it’s an upside down scale) It would looks something like this:

LEVELS OF INTEREST AND COMFORT

5. Aroused. => Once she’s aroused, you Sex her.

4. Comfortable. (Complete comfy that is) => Once she’s comfy enough to talk about ANYTHING including SEX…make the smooth transition to sex talk to AROUSE her.

3. Neutral. (True 50/50 Chance) => Get her to spill her guts about her life to make her feel completely COMFORTABLE talking about anything…including sex.

2. Interested. => Plant suggestion. Qualify. Close her to NEUTRALIZE HER.

1. Not interested. => Open her to get her INTERESTED.

LEVELS 1-2 are the Interest/Attraction Phase.
LEVELS 2-4 are the Trust/Comfort Building Phase.
LEVELS 4-5 are the Arousal/Seduction Phase.

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CONVERSATIONAL ARSENAL

You must know Who, what, when, where, why and how to say what you want and need to say to woman at all times. Your “ARSENAL” of convo is what keeps things interesting and keeps the convo going. It consists of:

C & F (Cocky Funny material) (DYD-Double Your Dating), Negs, Witty Comebacks, Stories of Demonstrating Higher Value (DHV), Jokes, Analogies, and Neutral Opinion Openers, Flirtatious undertones etc.

Trying to pull women WITHOUT this is like diving off of the Empire State Building without a parachute and hoping that you live through it when you hit the ground…ain’t gonna happen.

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UNIVERSAL BOOMERANG

This is the actual name that I’ve given my system.

UNIVERSAL- Means two things:

1. We’ve ALL been flaked by women before.
2. We’ve ALL been in the FRIEND ZONE before.

BOOMERANG- Means two things:

1. Taking a negative and turning it into a positive. In other words, you WANT to get into the FZ under YOUR TERMS, not hers. By coming at her neutral/like a potential “friend” this makes her lower her “shields” and allows you to “slip under the radar” as opposed to avoiding female friendship.

2. Doing the OPPOSITE of what a woman expects you to do. (i.e. SUPPLICATE and SPEND MONEY, CHASE, PUT UP WITH HER FLAKINESS etc.)

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THE TWO BUTTONS OF WOMEN

“All women are easy, you just have to know what buttons to push,” is what every woman I’ve ever met told me in regards to women’s sexuality at one time. And it’s true. Reflecting back on this statement, I had an epiphany that hit me like a ton of bricks.

Those two buttons are:

1. EXCITEMENT. (General-i.e. Making her laugh, AND Sexual. ESPECIALLY “sexual.”)

2. A CHALLENGE. (Don’t answer questions directly and thus become an open book. Think of how hard you have to work JUST to get a woman’s AGE. Do the same to THEM. “BOOMERANG” it.)

Once you get into the FZ on YOUR TERMS, the ONLY thing that separates a SEX FRIEND from a PLATONIC FRIEND is SEXUAL EXCITEMENT and A CHALLENGE…with an EMPHASIS on SEXUAL EXCITEMENT.

1. PLANTONIC FRIEND: Friendship + No Sexual Excitement + No Challenge = Platonic Friend/”girlfriend”. (BORING)

2. BOYFRIEND: Friendship + Little to No sexual Excitement + A Challenge = Boyfriend. (PRETTY COOL.)

3. SEX FRIEND: Friendship + Sexual Excitement + A Challenge = Sex Friend. (EXCITING)

Put the elements of sexual EXCITEMENT and A CHALLENGE into a “nice guy” and what do you have? Right. A “Bad Boy.”

Take the elements of sexual EXCITEMENT and A CHALLENGE “OUT” of a “bad boy” and what do you have? Right. A Nice Guy.

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QUALIFYING

You have three goals/closes when dealing with a woman.

1. Number. (Close on Level 2)
2. Meet. (Close on Level 4)
3. Sex. (Close on Level 5)

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4. *Boomerang Close- Get her so interested/attracted to you that if you don’t close HER, she will close YOU.

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That’s it.

To accomplish EACH goal you MUST do the following:

1. Increase her interest to a level adequate enough to make her show IOI’s for that particular goal….so that you can close her.

(i.e. She’s giving hints that she wants to stay in contact or she’s giving hints that she’d like to have sex based on how she flirts with you.)

2. Plant a favorable suggestion.

(She’s throwing hints that she’d like to stay in contact, so you say, “I think it’d would be great if we picked this conversation up another time, don’t you?” As a result she gives you the number. The REAL number.)

3. Qualify her a couple times to eliminate flakiness.

Don’t just take the number. Say something like, “Don’t give me your number if you know you won’t be there to pick up the phone.” Or “If you won’t be happy to hear from me, then don’t give me your number.”

4. Close her.

(Once she’s qualified herself a couple times, she’ll feel as though she’s earned the privilege to get you to call her. She’ll almost beg you to take it. Flakiness will be DRAMATICALLY reduced at this point.)

The above looks complicated, but it ain’t. Read it a couple times and you’ll get my meaning. I don’t like SS etc because it’s to long, structured and drawn out. Takes you damn near a month just to trick yourself into believing women want you and you STILL don’t know how to pull women. One website just to tell you how to get laid. It ain’t that serious.

Whether you’re big, ugly, white, black, latino, tall…etc…everybody can do this simply because it focuses on engaging a woman’s emotions with what you SAY…and you don’t have to be “pretty” to be an exciting talker. All I want to do is get a woman to engage me in convo. That’s it. She’s does that, I don’t care if she’s married, single…etc…her booty belongs to ME…well, at least for the night…LOL. The above is really basic common sense when you take the time to…

THINK ABOUT IT.

You can read the whole thread here.

“Baiting” Technique

IN10SE chimes in with a bit of advice from his midgame.

IN10SE writes:
Ok guys, I’m going to GIVE AWAY one of my GOLD techniques so pay attention… and to the guys that don’t read this… well their loss and your gain!

One of the things that I do early on is to give a woman a sense that there is “something more”.

I may start off as being overly confident and tease her just like a good PUA would – but then I’ll let her “discover” that I keep a journal… or drop a line about some random act of kindness that I just did… or mention something that I did for my mom recently (“I took my mom out for dinner last Valentines day”)… let her get a hint of a “softer” side that I’m trying to hide.

And I just leave it at that… a one sentence hint about what I did or do, and then move on to the next topic as if I don’t really want to talk about it.

If they DON’T ask about it, you can bet they’re THINKING about it and will bring it up later. -often times after sleeping with you when you ask them “So what were some of the things about me that first attracted you?”.

If they DO ask about it – I may mention a little more and then say, “It’s not really a big deal… it’s just me. I don’t usually tell people about it because guys aren’t supposed to “do” those kinds of things.” Then they’ll say things like, “Well REAL guys do!” And then she begins to “discover” what a great guy you are… and humble too because you don’t talk about it much. And they’ll LOVE you for it.

I call this technique of mine “Baiting”. Because it’s what you offer to hook them in.

You can read the whole thread here.

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