“Baiting” Technique

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IN10SE chimes in with a bit of advice from his midgame.

IN10SE writes:
Ok guys, I’m going to GIVE AWAY one of my GOLD techniques so pay attention… and to the guys that don’t read this… well their loss and your gain!

One of the things that I do early on is to give a woman a sense that there is “something more”.

I may start off as being overly confident and tease her just like a good PUA would – but then I’ll let her “discover” that I keep a journal… or drop a line about some random act of kindness that I just did… or mention something that I did for my mom recently (“I took my mom out for dinner last Valentines day”)… let her get a hint of a “softer” side that I’m trying to hide.

And I just leave it at that… a one sentence hint about what I did or do, and then move on to the next topic as if I don’t really want to talk about it.

If they DON’T ask about it, you can bet they’re THINKING about it and will bring it up later. -often times after sleeping with you when you ask them “So what were some of the things about me that first attracted you?”.

If they DO ask about it – I may mention a little more and then say, “It’s not really a big deal… it’s just me. I don’t usually tell people about it because guys aren’t supposed to “do” those kinds of things.” Then they’ll say things like, “Well REAL guys do!” And then she begins to “discover” what a great guy you are… and humble too because you don’t talk about it much. And they’ll LOVE you for it.

I call this technique of mine “Baiting”. Because it’s what you offer to hook them in.

You can read the whole thread here.

Be a Real Man?

Matthew Fitzgerald chimes in at Askmen.com with what is probably the best article I’ve ever read on that site. It’s VERY non-PC, VERY Male-centric, and VERY VERY true in what it speaks of, in my humble opinion. It’s basically a very “Fight Club”-esque philosophy about how most men nowadays have been psychologically castrated by society, and about how it’s hurt both males and females. Here’s the intro to the article:

Matthew Fitzgerald writes:
Men are PC’ed to death. The consequences of almost 50 years of ardent feminism have been devastating: a society in bewilderment about gender roles, the rise of a class of ball-busting bitches whose battle cry is, “We don’t need men,” trumped-up charges of “date rape” and “sexual harassment,” angry women blaming men for all their problems — in short, an overall erosion of male confidence.

As society becomes more and more feminized, as more and more young men are being raised by single mothers who don’t have a clue about the male sex drive, but who teach their sons to surrender their natural masculinity and pander to women, today’s man is forced to apologize for — and feel shame about — his inherent male sexuality.

Mr. Fitzgerald goes on to say:

This abrogation of sexual confidence has resulted in a world full of wusses and doormats, men who cater to women and willingly hand over all their male power in exchange for a few crumbs of approval or sexual “favors.”

The modern man walks around on eggshells, afraid of saying the “wrong thing,” scared of showing his natural sexual interest to a woman, scared of being scorned, humiliated, or even fired — scared of his own true self.

All of this flies in the face of nature. For years now, men have been forced to bend over backwards to please women, but pandering to a self-serving social movement can’t really reverse five billion years of human evolution.

Clearly this essential point is lost on the female gender because women just don’t have a clue what it is to be truly sexual — a woman’s sex drive can’t even begin to compare with a man’s. Yet modern feminism still blindly strives to feminize men into submissive she-males.

Nature intended men to be strong, assertive, bold, sexual — this is why testosterone surges through their bloodstreams. This is a man’s right — his heritage — as a member of the male gender.

And the truth is, despite what women say and how much they protest, they want a man who acts like a man. Scratch the surface and you’ll find that deep down they don’t really want a man to act like a woman any more than a guy wants a chick to be masculine.

So instead of letting women snip pruning shears at their crotches, it’s time for men to stop apologizing for being male, to celebrate their inherently sexual natures, and to reclaim their sexual confidence.

It is funny how in modern times, women’s rights have, in a way, overshadowed nature with respect to men’s sexuality. That is to say that some of it isn’t warrented, since women have been abused and taken advantage of in the past. But what is the cost of this regulation? How much psychological harm is being inflicted upon the new generations of men because of this stuff?

I think the basic problem comes down to women’s rights trying to raise women above men, instead of promoting equality. Most “women’s organizations” out there today are more concerned with keeping men down and subserviant to women than giving both genders equal rights. And it’s this mentality that most men kind-of fall into, since they seek the approval of women.

I know I’m guilty of this, and chances are many men who get into learning Pick-Up and Seduction are too. I’m happy to see an article such as the one Mr. Fitzgerald wrote on such a major website like Askmen, because I think it speaks to a fundamental truth in our society — Men and Women enjoy a sexually confident and mature man who is free from guilt over his desires as a man.

It’s a pretty good read, and you can check out the whole thing here.

Style on being a Social Robot

Wow, the GREAT and MIGHTY Syle (the most powerful of the Jedi) has graced the Advanced board of mASF with yet another $$$$$ post on something which stikes to THE VERY CORE of many of the “Poo-Ahhs” out there. Here’s what he has to say:

Style writes:
Have you ever noticed that there’s something strange about a lot of sargers?

It’s as if you look at a guy, and you can just TELL that something is missing.

And some of these guys even do amazing in the field. They get great reactions most of the time, and sometimes even #s and !s. But, at the same time, they NEVER seem to have a girlfriend.

Most of the guys I know are like this. And there are a few reasons why: First, it goes back to one of my cardinal rules: The best way to sarge is to have something BETTER to do than to sarge. Some guys give up everything — school, work, even GFs — to learn to sarge better. But all these things ALLOW you to sarge better, because they make you a more COMPLETE person.

A problem I’ve noticed amongst some of the most dedicated posters here, especially those who got into ASF in their teens or early 20s,, is that they have INVENTED themselves through this theory. They are, to some degree, SOCIAL ROBOTS. And, after a great 20 minute set, it begins to show through to an HB that you don’t have anything MORE going for you. The other problem with being a social robot is that you start to thing that everyone else around you is one too, and begin to read TOO MUCH into their actions.

Here’s another thing Social Robots do: They treat Women completely differently than they treat Men. If they are around women, even at a lunch for work, they feel a stange shot of adrenaline and feel as if they have to sarge. Interactions with women are no longer normal; they become special occasions to feel a sense of self-worth. Your self-esteem is contantly at the mercy of the reactions of women.

Social robots also stop seeing value in things that are non-PU related, such as books and movies and even friends that they can’t learn about PU from.

So, what I’m trying to say in short is that ASF and the PU lifestyle can give you SO much — I know it’s given me so much — but it can take away a lot too. You can end up becoming just a one-dimensional person, a social robot.

The solution is to put your life back into balance; spend just an hour a day reading ASF/PU-related material; spend just three nights or afternoons a week sarging or hanging out with PUAs. Alternate PUA reading with good literature. Make it a HOBBY. And focus a greater share of your efforts on the job/achievements/success you want in life. If you can make something of yourself, the HBs will come and what you’ve learned here will prepare you to deal with them.

There’s a book on cold-reading that basically breaks down all problems to Health, Wealth and Relationships. And each have an Internal and External component. (This btw is the book where Mystery got his theory on this from.) And you need to start DIVIDING your attention between ALL of these to be successful in any single one.

A lot of guys always ask how I got good so quickly. And I think that in addition to all the awesome things (like Mystery’s workshop) that changed my life, I was well-rounded and interested in people to start with. So when I ran out of routines, I could still be INTERESTING and INTERESTED. Those two words in caps right there are, I think, the special sauce that can prevent a lot of flaking that guys here seem to get.

And then later on Style chimes back in with this:

Oh, and here are some other things Social Robots do:

–They think that everything that a HB says to them that isn’t 100 percent positive is a “shit test.”

–They think that if an HB is busy on the one night they ask her out, then it’s a personal insult and must be dealt with using “anti-flake” measures.

–They panic if they run out of “material” during a conversation with a woman.

–They see all other males who are interacting with women as AMOGs who must be destroyed.

–They cannot discuss a woman without asking first, “What’s her rating?”

I could go on. But you get the point…

(And, hey, I have no illusions: I’ve been guilty of being a social robot just like everyone else here.)

Hmmm. More than a few not-so-subtle pot-shots at some big guys in the community (and the community in general to boot). But does that make him any less right? Ideed, I have noticed this is a big problem with lots of guys as well. But the real question is: Are people like this because it is a result of studying this stuff, or does it just bring out who people are to begin with?

You can read the whole thread here.

SteviePUA Live Audio!

Okay, this is cool. SteviePUA has put up an MP3 of him doing some routines. It is a new example of the Vampire Girls Dream routine, followed by some cocky and playful busting on the chicks. Apparently this was a 3 set of 2 chicks and one guy. Great stuff.

You can download it here.

You can also find a good MP3 of Stevie doing palm reading here. This is the rundown on this audio:

SteviePUA writes:
I was working on a 3 set of 2 chicks and 1 guy. I’d started by doing a mind-reading effect and then I went into palm-reading. There is a lot of extremely vague hypnotic language here. I really am saying little of substance, but it is all so completely vague that she can find her own meaning to it and apply it to herself. I bring in themes of this being a special experience, acting on her passion, and going for something even though it might not make sense (like my language – get it?). I also bring the BF into the interaction to reduce him feeling alienated and cockblocking.

It’s one thing to read about this stuff, but to listen to a fied-tested guy do it is something quite different (ie: HOLY FUCKING SHIT! THIS STUFF WORKS!!!) etc. =)

Congruence — Being All of a Piece

Vince Runza has an excellent post up on the General board of mASF talking about the importance of congruency. Here’s my favorite paragraph:

Vince writes:
Your reality must be more powerful than hers. It’s that simple. As long as your reality is the dominant reality, no woman can shake you up, make you crazy or ever take away your power. While this may sound like hubris, or overweening pride, it’s simply the way things work. It may not be absolutely true that you are the best possible choice for her to make, but it is an effective working rule that you are. She wants you to be the man. It’s her own hard wiring that makes her respond positively to a strong lead.

Wise words indeed. Very powerful stuff. Read it all here.

The Art of Introducing Yourself

Boiledbrain wrote a post asking the eternal question “Should you wait to introduce yourself to a girl until she asks you or not?” Now, obviously this is a bit of a controversial topic based on the responces:

warlord3421 writes:
Introduction is big supplication, wait for her to ask the name!

effigyc writes:
Like I’m saying, this is BS. People have taken this non-supplicative thing way, way too far! Giving a girl your name is NOT supplicating unless you just walk up and go “Gosh, you sure is purty! My name’s Jim-Bob. What’s yours?” If you’ve had a conversation, if she’s smiling at you, laughing, etc. introducing yourself should be no big deal. It might even keep the conversation going if you stall, or even further the sarge if you’ve done enough work.

FatAss writes:
Doesn’t matter. Really. I wait until a convo warms up, because I figure that otherwise there’s no point in introducing myself.

So what is the right answer? I know someone like the all-powerful Zan would laugh at a question like this (I should know because I’ve asked him this before). To some guys it doesn’t matter if you introduce yourself or not. To others, it’s a sign of showing interest, so they play the game where they wait for the girl to either ask/introduce herself first before introducing themselves. But I personally feel it all comes down to the frame from which you’re coming from.

If you’re coming from the frame where you don’t care, you’re just having fun, etc. You’re going to introduce yourself when it feels appropriate. If you’re coming from the frame where you’re gaming a chick, introducing yourself too early telegraphs your intentions. It’s not a deal breaker by any means, but it’s usually best to get her intrigued to the point where she asks you first.

So I guess what I’m trying to say is that there is no right answer here, since it’s context dependant. Of course, what do I know? Anyone agree/disagree?

Where to find girls

So I’m surfing mASF today and find a post by LowRider69 about how he can’t find the type of girls he wants to pick-up at his college campus.

LowRider69 writes:
For me, the FIND is probably the toughest part of the game right now. I understand why Mystery does strip clubs, he’s looking for the hottest women available.

Right now the ONLY place I have is college campus.

I automatically weed out fatties, UGs, super nerdy girls, average girls who are superpeacocked and brown/black chicks. I also don’t like sarging super peacocked hotties because I think they’re retarded for dressing up that much on campus

Yeah its fucked up. Btw, I have female friends who are UGs, nerds and all different races. I’m just not interested in sarging these girls.

So my FIND is limited. It is SERIOUSLY limited.

I’m a wierd breed. An anamoly.

Anyway, my first thought is “Wow, he must go to a really sucky school if he can’t find any good looking girls there!” Colleges especially usually have a lot of good looking chicks, and if he’s not finding them, he’s hanging out in the wrong places. I can remember having the same problem when I was in college, complaining about how there were “no hot girls” around.

The thing is, they’re there. You just have to find them. So where do the hot girls go? The same place the fun guys go. I didn’t start to meet REALLY hot girls in college until I made friends with Frat Boys and musicians. The Frat Boys would invite me to their parties where they had tons of the hottest girls on campus getting drunk and having fun. I became friends with a few local bands and began to meet their groupies (all bands, no matter how shitty, seem to have groupies).

Also, libraries on campus are always GOLD when it comes to finding girls. Student unions as well. If you’re active, join clubs — especially those dealing with Greek Life Government on campus. I met lots of girls through that venue.

Also, coffee shops, bars, and pool halls can be pretty good as well. Though I’d imagine you’d be hard pressed NOT to run into an attractive girl just walking around the street on a college campus.

But probably the best place to meet a girl on a college campus is the cafeterias. I met SO many girls in college just by sitting with random groups of people when it came time to eat and striking up conversations. There really is no excuse for not being able to find girls to sarge while in college.

Turning Around a Set

We’ve all been there before. We approach a set, and things go bad. But TD chimes in with a post about his structure for turning a bad set into a good one. Here’s the basics:

Tyler Durden writes:
TURNAROUND STRUCTURE:

1- Don’t acknowledge that she’s even pissed. Don’t show any facial expressions of reaction to her bullshit. Laugh it off, but in a way where you’re not laughing to cover up discomfort. Like you think she’s almost joking or teasing. This is important, because if she thinks you realized she was serious, it’s natural psychology to be consistent to it and not let it go.

2- Interpret it like she just qualified herself to you, in the way that she showed that she can stick up for herself. Do this in a funny way, using funny mini-cold-reads or future adventures projections.

3- Give a brief sincere apology from a position of authority.

4- Follow up immediately with something funny or intriguing to distract her. “Change her mood not her mind.”

I recommend reading the whole thread. Lots of good stuff in there. Check it out here.

Style AMOGers

TD shares some incredible AMOG destroyers from the current BEST Pick-Up Artist around, the incomporable Style. Get out your pens and Paper fellas, this shit is GOLD!

Tyler Durden writes
-”Man, this is the coolest guy. Can you believe he’s still a virgin?” Inevitably the guy defends himself (aka – qualifies himself), and you say “Man, its OK. Its cool man.”

-Another one is when we ballbust eachother, and one night he says to me “Oh sorry man. I didn’t hear your last out-alpha. Could you say it again, I really want to hear it.” Implied structure – ‘you’re outalpha’ing me to qualify yourself’. The ultimate AMOG out AMOGer. So you can of course re-structure for non fellow PUAs to say “Oh sorry man, I didn’t hear that part where you’re trying to make people think you’re cooler than me. I want to hear it though – could you say it again?”

BOW! BOW BEFORE THE MIGHTY STYLE!

Read the whole thread here.

Wing Rules part Deux

So the all-powerful TheOne chimes in with a series of new Wing Rules to help guys flying wingman to keep from fucking up people’s sets. Here’s what he has to say:

TheOne writes:
This post was written beginning of February (couple weeks ago.)
It was inspired when I watched my Wing Playboy lose 2 girls because another PUA [A skilled PUA!] ruin the set.
Here is Wing Rules 2 as written originally:

WING RULES – 2

A while back, I posted “Wing Rules,” which if I may say in all modesty, is one of the best posts I have read. It is practical advice for winging and following guidelines.

This weekend past, I had a long conversation with Playboy and I found it amazing that the sentiments he expressed echoed my own findings in the field.
The first “Wing Rules” dealt mostly with ATTRACTION PHASE scenarios.

This second addition is for RAPPORT PHASE. I write this post out of frustration. I find it frustrating how these mistakes are constantly made by some of the best PUAs out in the field. Sometimes a miscalculating wing is the worst cock-block on the planet.
You can befriend all the girls, you can befriend or AMOG the men. What do you do with a wing who actually means well???

You have befriended all the girls, and you are involved in the middle of playing solid game. This is the point where you envision a great “Pick-up” in process. (I use the word pick-up loosely here.) You have IOIs and you can just tell a venue change or an extremely solid number exchange is in order. Furthermore, you may even like the woman because she is cool to hang out with, and that my PUA pals, is a rare find.
Here comes your PUA pal to ruin it all….

******BE IN THE MOMENT, BE AWARE. Try to step out of your fucking head:

I have constant experience in this from another area.
What do I mean by the being aware?
Stop thinking about what routine to run next, what DHV to do next, what games to play and what to utter so much.
Instead, lean back and observe what is happening around you. Your wing may be receiving major IOIs from one of the girls in the group. He needs to isolate and have a decent conversation with her. If you are too much in your head about what routine to run next, you will completely miss what is going on around in your current environment.
You are not a routine running machine. You are a human being with a brain….
Use it to calibrate.

***********Stimulus Kills rapport/seduction states*****

If your wing or a PUA pal is in rapport phase, do him a favor: Stay the fuck away.
Do not provide stimulus that will distract the girl. This is a state killer. There is no other better way of saying it.

It’s like when TD talks about that “OutKast” song being played and the girls running to dance floor. In that case, that song is the stimulus that is the state killer.
Providing stimulus of any kind will force your wing’s girl out of Rapport and Seduction States.

*******Stop engaging the whole group in rapport phase******

This ties directly to providing stimulus.
If your wing is receiving IOIs from a girl, let him isolate. You engage the other(s) girls who interest you. Engaging the whole group is now destructive to the pick-up.
Your wing needs some quiet time. I saw Playboy lose 2 girls this past weekend because of this exact mistake in two different sets. The girl liked him a lot and he was trying to transition into rapport and isolation. The other PUA constantly ran attraction routines/stories for the whole group. The guy would not shut up.
Result: Blow out for everyone. Playboy is not able to isolate girl giving him IOIs.
Girls’ circuits are fried. They don’t have any comfort and this dancing monkey entertainment gets old eventually.

*****************

Lastly, once again, if your wing is cuddling with a girl or have a deep rapport conversation, stay the fuck away. It’s advice any AFC would know, and yet most PUAs are blind to it.

Should you circle the bar and see your wing in rapport with a girl, social proof him and leave. You can say something light and cute, “Hey this guy is one of the coolest guys I know in this entire town. Just making sure he is happy. Keep him entertained. I’ll be back in a while, but when I get back, I want to see him smiling!”
The girl giggles, plays along and I leave. It’s that simple.
Real life example: This was the case last weekend at the Standard when I saw Playboy engaged in a 20 minute conversation in the patio area of the Standard. I said something that resembled the comments above and left.
Did he need me to stand there and run routines? No. Did he need me to stand there at all? No.
Obvious? Yes! Do most PUAs follow this guideline? No.

One thing is for sure: It’s very difficult to find good complete wings who can observe situations, calibrate, know when to step in and when to disappear, know when to social proof you, and also give you advice on how you could have improved something from a third person perspective.

It seems TheOne put a lot of thought and field testing into this. I know he goes out quite a bit with people like TD, Papa, Dreamweaver, and Playboy, so I’m sure what he has to say is quite valuable because it’s backed by experience.

You can read the whole thread here.

Phone Game

IN10SE chimes in with a tip for your phone game.

IN10SE writes:
Phone game is a form of Isolation because in order to talk to you she has to ENGAGE. So use this to your advantage. Remember, there are primarily 2 goals of the phone game:

1) Comfort building – The phone is another comfort building “location”

If I decide that I want to comfort build with a gal, then I’ll use some of my comfort building themes on the phone. BUT you have to keep in mind that there is a fine line between talking too much and talking too little on the phone. If you talk too much, they may get stuck in fantasy land. You don’t want to stall there. Find that “spot” and keep it moving to the next goal – Setting up a meeting.

2) To set up a meet

If you’re following up on a phone number that you’ve gotten, it’s imperative that you take it to the next level on THAT first phone call. If you don’t, you risk STALLING… which could land you in LJBF land. Keep the momentum from the initial attraction going.

If both the comfort and attraction are already there and you’ve gotten good signals of interest from her indicating both, then keep the phone call short and sweet. The primary goal should be to set up a meeting.

That’s it. Pretty simple.

You can find the whole thread here.

GWM meets RSD

ijjjjji has a pretty interesting tip up on the tactics board.

ijjjjji writes:
When talking to a girl, let your eyes wander to another girl, then drop into sexual state for that girl. Its a kinda advanced technique, but you can do this easily when you get good at dropping into sexual state.

The effects of this varies a bit, but the most common reaction I get is that the girl I’m talking to starts touching me. Twice, girls grabbed and kissed me. Once, the girl I was talking to got mad and ran off.

I even have an opener that uses this. I walk up to target and say something like “OMG I love your top – what does the symbols mean?” and then I act like I suddenly notice a nearby girl and go totally ga-ga sexual state on her, like blanking out and just drooling over her. Target always tries to win my attention back, and it initiates the sexual undertones.

You can read the whole thread here.

Getting into Trendy Clubs

Keyser Soze posted a pretty cool little tactic about how to get into REALLY hard to get into bars and clubs. I know twenty-six has a method he uses that is a bit different than this one and almost as effective, but I won’t go into it here because I promised him I’d keep it a secret. =)

Keyser Soze writes:
Hey guys,

This is a ballsy move that my friend did at this really trendy club in my city.

Basically, there is always this huge line outside this club since this is where models, celebs and really rich dudes hang out. So my friend, who is waiting in line, calls the club and tells them that he is the manager of some trendy hotel in the city and says that he has two guests staying in an expensive suite that would like to come to the club. They asked what their names were and two minutes later him and his friend walk right up to the door and get past the line.

Of course, the more detail that you use, the better. That is to say, find out the name of the actual manager at the hotel and the name of the suite that they would be staying in. Plus, wear nice clothes that make you look rich.

I think that it was Rick H. that said you can get away with anything with enough authority…;)

Of course, skipping the line at this trendy club is MASSIVE social proof, and he had three hot girls approach him because they saw him skip the line and thought that he was somebody.

Just remember, should you get caught in a ballsy move, make an even BALLSIER move to recover. Look at the scene in Ferris Beuler at the restaurant for an example of this. Rick H is right, if you do anything with enough authority, people will believe you. Never admit defeat!

You can read the full thread here. Happy clubbing.

How do you Kill Negative Thoughts?

ironration started a thread which seems to have picked up on trying to overcome your negative thoughts with positive ones. I know this is something I’ve had a hard time with, especially when I first started out. Nothing’s worse than repeating affirmations when in the back of your mind you’re just thinking “This is bullshit.” You can check out the thread