Hit the “Grounding” Running

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So Mystery’s first article for Thundercat’s Seduction Lair has been posted. What a way to start it off, eh? Frankly, I think this is the best write-up from anyone in the community that I’ve read in a long, long time. In fact, I probably haven’t been this excited about a concept since the dark ages when Bishop introduced the groundbreaking tactic of “fractionation” on the SS list! lol.

As you can see, I’ve started an archive for Mystery’s articles to the site under the “Categories” section on the right column of the page. All of the articles Mystery posts here will be archived there for easy reference.

As far as this article goes, I think the concept of “Grounding” is nothing short of brilliant. I mean, the basis of this can be found in Juggler’s archive, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard it explained in such a way before. I can remember driving Mystery back to Hollywood after a night of Strip Club sarging in the valley and listening to him talk about this concept, and just being in awe of it.

Grounding is a powerful concept, and one that I think will change the way people game chicks. There’s a school of thought out there that’s pretty prevalent, about “Never give a girl a direct answer, except for NO,” which I think in the long term is counter-productive to picking up women (I know I’ve blown myself out of a few sets by doing this). Grounding is really powerful because not only does it strengthen rapport and connection with your target, but it also SUCKS them into your reality. It creates YOUR story, in which your target becomes a character. It forces them to relate to YOU! Which means that they are chasing you.

I’ve gotten to experiment with this idea of Grounding a bit, and so far, I’m liking the results. You do have to put some thought into it. But another benefit is that it really is YOUR story. One person’s Grounding routine is different from everyone elses, and that makes you unique. Something that’s very important when gaming a girl, because it makes you stand out from the crowd.

Now onto some thoughts I want to cover from Myster’s article.

Mystery wrote:
Thundercat’s misunderstanding between a person’s customized style and the game plan or method he uses to systematically convey his unique personality concerns me. This is because only a few days ago did we share a 3:00am meal at a diner after our visit to an exotic dance club together.

During our meal Thundercat himself admitted that he doesn’t possess a strong identity as I do. I will attempt to resolve his misunderstanding between STYLE and METHOD as well as reveal some insights on how to specifically customize material to convey a unique identity (for both you and my friend Thundercat). Once you customize your material to fit your chosen “strong identity” will you no doubt make others who watch you work wrongfully assume it is your particular identity that gets you the girls and not the method that powers the conveying of it.

Mystery is right. As a seducer, I don’t feel I have a strong identity yet because so much of this stuff is outside my reality of what is possible. Like so many other guys out there, I struggle with inner game issues and self-limiting beliefs daily. When I see Mystery work his stuff, it really is amazing to witness.

When Mystery makes the distinction between “Style” and “Method,” I think it’s an important one. Mystery has a method, and it is not only teachable, but it WORKS. The post of mine Mystery was referring to was my observations on how Mystery himself creates his value in sarges. I think that Mystery has DEFINITELY created a style that best suits him. But when you see his style in action, though it may be representative of his method, it is so foriegn to the average guy, that it is almost on a different level of reality. Which is why I think Tyler is so popular, because he can do the same thing as Mystery because TD follows roughly the same method, but in a way TD’s STYLE is more relatable to the average guy because it isn’t tailored to things like outrageous clothes and magic tricks.

The fact is, you don’t need magic tricks for Mystery Method to be effective, and I think Tyler is representative of that. But I’ve been out with Mystery before, and he has geared himself so completely to the process of Picking Up women, that he can blow a guy out of set just by walking within eyesight of the girl! I don’t know about you guys, but he’s the ONLY person I’ve ever seen do that. And it’s for that reason I have a hard time relating to Mystery’s style of Pick-Up. It’s almost like he’s a superhero with that kind of a skillset. His style that he’s tailored for himself is so amazing and so effective, that I feel it’s almost removed from the grasp of us mere mortals.

That’s why I find PUAs like Style and Tyler Durden so fascinating. These guys are some of the best in the game. They are both student’s of Mystery, and more or less follow Mystery Method. But they are able to achieve great success using styles of pick-up that I feel ARE within my grasp to learn, which was the point of the original post that Mystery quoted.

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The “Process”

I had a talk with Swinggcat tonight, and he shared the subject of his next Newsletter with me. I gotta say, I usually don’t get too excited about newsletters because most people use them to sell their products, but man o’ man… what Swingg had to tell me was one of the most amazing thing’s I’d ever heard any “guru” in the community ever say.

The thing is, it’s not really a “trick” or “routine” or “Opener” he was talking about. It’s not even a product. It’s more of a philosophy. It’s the kind of philosophy that I hadn’t heard or gotten excited about since the day I first discovered this whole community. Just listening to it… well, it changed the way I look at Pick-Up and Seduction. It’s one of those reality-shatering dialogues that Swinggcat will occasionally share with me when he gets excited about something that just shows the depth of his insight into the process of attraction.

I’d love to talk about it more, and I probably will once Swinggcat releases it in his next Newsletter, but I promised him I’d hold off until then. But I highly, HIGHLY recommend you sign up for his mailing list, just for this next Newsletter, because this is really good shit he’s sharing — and it’s FREE! You can always unsubscribe later, but until then, get on there so you can read about this philosophy he’s come up with. It’s definitely worth it!

You can sign up for Swinggcat’s Newsletter at his webpage here.

The “Process”

I had a talk with Swinggcat tonight, and he shared the subject of his next Newsletter with me. I gotta say, I usually don’t get too excited about newsletters because most people use them to sell their products, but man o’ man… what Swingg had to tell me was one of the most amazing thing’s I’d ever heard any “guru” in the community ever say.

The thing is, it’s not really a “trick” or “routine” or “Opener” he was talking about. It’s not even a product. It’s more of a philosophy. It’s the kind of philosophy that I hadn’t heard or gotten excited about since the day I first discovered this whole community. Just listening to it… well, it changed the way I look at Pick-Up and Seduction. It’s one of those reality-shatering dialogues that Swinggcat will occasionally share with me when he gets excited about something that just shows the depth of his insight into the process of attraction.

I’d love to talk about it more, and I probably will once Swinggcat releases it in his next Newsletter, but I promised him I’d hold off until then. But I highly, HIGHLY recommend you sign up for his mailing list, just for this next Newsletter, because this is really good shit he’s sharing — and it’s FREE! You can always unsubscribe later, but until then, get on there so you can read about this philosophy he’s come up with. It’s definitely worth it!

You can sign up for Swinggcat’s Newsletter at his webpage here.

Getting Frustrated

You guys remember that commercial, the one where the mother and the daughter are walking down the beach, the surf crashing up against their bare feet, and the daughter turns to her mom and says:

"You ever have that… not-so-fresh feeling?"

Well, all vaginas aside, I’m beginning to have that feeling.  I’ve been going out in the field constantly lately, and I think it’s wearing on me.  My energy is way down.  I’m a bit depressed because I feel like I’ve hit a plateau.  I’m thinking I may be pushing things a bit too hard and trying to force things to happen when a re-direction of my energies might be more appropriate, especially now as my personal financial situation becomes more dire.  Living in LA is expensive, but living AND sarging in LA has it’s costs.  Those cover fees, parking fees, late night meals, and the occasional drink all start to add up.  =(

If there’s one thing I’ve come to realize in my experiences, it’s that the learning curve has it’s peaks and valleys.  Both are necessary.  But I think the higher the peak, the lower the valley, and I’ve hit some pretty high peaks lately.

What do you guys do when you go through this?  Do you just take a break from sarging entirely?  I’d be hesitant to do that because sarging is very much like working out in the gym.  If you stop workinging out, your muscles deteriorate, and it’s harder to start up working out again.  I don’t want my skills to atrophy, but I can’t keep going at this pace for much longer or I’ll burn out.  I guess I can cut back a bit, but if I do, I feel like I’ll just continue to spin my wheels.

It sucks, I know.  It’ll pass, I know.  Maybe I just need to move to Bolivia for a month and spend my days with $6 whores and $0.24 beers to relieve some steam.

Some BadBoy Workshop News…

So last night I got the chance to chat with Nightlife from the San Diego lair. For those of you who weren’t aware, Nightlife is Croation PUA BadBoy’s American representation. I wanted to know what was up with the BadBoy workshops which seemed to have gotten cancelled, and he told me what was up.

Basically, BadBoy was going through all the proper channels to try and get in the country to teach his scheduled workshops, but the government thought he was too big of an “immigration risk,” thinking that he was trying to get in the country to stay rather than for legitimate business reasons. Nightlife and BadBoy are trying to get their acts together and present proof of business to the US Government so BadBoy can be admitted to the country. So hopefully in a couple of months we could see some BadBoy workshops on US soil. =)

Also, it seemed that BadBoy’s website, www.playboylifestyle.net was down for a while. This was because BadBoy forgot to pay his hosting fee while doing his Amsterdam workshop. Things look to be all fixed up now.

I’ve been hearing continuous good things about BadBoy and his workshops. It’s almost TOO good, lol. I haven’t heard of one dissatisfied customer yet. Makes me want to fly out to Eastern Europe and give it a go myself!

David D Lays the Smackdown…

You know, I’ve made fun of David D. for making Al Gore look like the life of the party before, but in his recent newsletter he made me laugh pretty hard.  I don’t really have anything to comment on about this particular exerpt, I just found it quite entertaining.  (Try and picture MINE’99 at his computer typing out the question… it makes it even funnier!)

***QUESTION***

First of all, lets get things straight. I don’t like you. In fact, I hate you. Your success with women disgusts me, and the way you have it down to a science so well that you even make ME laugh sometimes with your smart assed comments to the lamers who write you vexes me. But it intrigues me as well. Your stuff works. So I use it. Doesn’t mean I like you. Just means I like your "tools." 

Anyway, the problem I’m having lately is I meet and flirt with a lot of women using  c&f, but when it comes time for things to get a little physical, they tell me they’re waiting for marriage to do all that! WtF?! Is there a way around this kind of a "defense" that women use on me oh so often?  (Besides dumping their celibate asses.)

Name: D
Location: Bufffalo, New York.

P.S. Why not send me your tips on Valentine’s day BEFORE I go and do something stupid like buy this hot snob a box of chocolates who I’ve known for 2 days?

>>>MY COMMENTS:

You know, this is just a guess, but maybe your challenges with women stem from the dark cloud around your SOUL!

…ahem.

Dude, I can tell that you’re attempting to be funny here, but it also sounds to me like you’ve got some anger issues that might need professional attention.

By the way, the way to "get around" the "I’m waiting for marriage" defense is to stop acting like a bitter WUSSY.

If women consistently tell you "I’m waiting for marriage before I get physical", it can only mean one of two things:

1) You’re shopping for women at the convent.

2) You’re CAUSING the resistance you’re getting.

Most guys don’t realize this, but THEY are the ones who cause women to resist and make excuses.

Really.

And by the way, don’t EVER say that you don’t like me, but you like my TOOL again. That’s not cool.

ROFL.  You can subscribe to David DeAngelo’s newsletter here.

New Best Friend’s Test

Tyler Durden has posted some good tips on the Tactics board of mASF. I found his reworking of the “Best Friend’s Test” to be pretty solid too. =)

Tyler Durden writes:
For girls who interupt you, or tell you what to do like “tell
the story.. tell it, tell it!”, I’ve found this line very useful.

“Hey! It’s too early in our relationship for you to be telling me what to do / interupting me”.

For extracting or venue changing or moving girls in the club, I’ve found this line to have actually changed my game.

“Hey, we’re going to sit down over there. Would you like to join us?” (or add in for a drink or to discuss something).

This line sounds subtle, and it may be hard to see the value on the surface. But the reason I’ve found it to have changed my game, is that first of all it establishes that you’re friends and the verbal sparring or resistance need not continue, and also it says to the girls “You are being called upon to socialize, so you must tee-up things to say” (as Mystery calls F2M attract or whatever).

So I’ve found that the girls are much more talkative when they come to sit down. I think it also feeds into their stereotype of how they think being picked up ought to go down. Either way, I’ve found the girls to be amazingly receptive to this when they come to sit down, and they aren’t so much in that mode of “I’m leaving as soon as I get bored”, when they’ve consented to come sit down and socialize.

I use the line as soon as I see that they really want me to stay, and I’ll use it on a buying temp spike (them laughing or finding something really intriguing).

If I don’t feel that they’d bite on the offer, but I still want them to sit down because I need a clear space where I can work (I always have a priority to move the girls somewhere comfortable ASAP in every set), then I’ll just oversell the CUBE or lying game or some lameass routine, so that they’ll be forced to sit down. Like “You HAVE to see this. It’s amazing. Check this out”, without asking if they want to or not.

THE EXPANDED BEST FRIENDS TEST:

Briefly:
“You guys are best friends aren’t you. You have the exact same posture. And you have the exact same facial expressions. And the big thing, and I’m not sure if all girls do this or what, but every time you go to talk, or I’m talking to you, or you’re about to do something, you guys keep looking at eachother first”

They bust out laughing as they look at eachother’s posture, then again at their facial expressions, and then of course lastly at the looking at eachother.

You can proceed to analyze you and your wing, and other people, under the same criteria.

Good way to blow open the convo.

As always, great stuff from Tyler. You can read teh original post here.

New Best Friend’s Test

Tyler Durden has posted some good tips on the Tactics board of mASF. I found his reworking of the “Best Friend’s Test” to be pretty solid too. =)

Tyler Durden writes:
For girls who interupt you, or tell you what to do like “tell
the story.. tell it, tell it!”, I’ve found this line very useful.

“Hey! It’s too early in our relationship for you to be telling me what to do / interupting me”.

For extracting or venue changing or moving girls in the club, I’ve found this line to have actually changed my game.

“Hey, we’re going to sit down over there. Would you like to join us?” (or add in for a drink or to discuss something).

This line sounds subtle, and it may be hard to see the value on the surface. But the reason I’ve found it to have changed my game, is that first of all it establishes that you’re friends and the verbal sparring or resistance need not continue, and also it says to the girls “You are being called upon to socialize, so you must tee-up things to say” (as Mystery calls F2M attract or whatever).

So I’ve found that the girls are much more talkative when they come to sit down. I think it also feeds into their stereotype of how they think being picked up ought to go down. Either way, I’ve found the girls to be amazingly receptive to this when they come to sit down, and they aren’t so much in that mode of “I’m leaving as soon as I get bored”, when they’ve consented to come sit down and socialize.

I use the line as soon as I see that they really want me to stay, and I’ll use it on a buying temp spike (them laughing or finding something really intriguing).

If I don’t feel that they’d bite on the offer, but I still want them to sit down because I need a clear space where I can work (I always have a priority to move the girls somewhere comfortable ASAP in every set), then I’ll just oversell the CUBE or lying game or some lameass routine, so that they’ll be forced to sit down. Like “You HAVE to see this. It’s amazing. Check this out”, without asking if they want to or not.

THE EXPANDED BEST FRIENDS TEST:

Briefly:
“You guys are best friends aren’t you. You have the exact same posture. And you have the exact same facial expressions. And the big thing, and I’m not sure if all girls do this or what, but every time you go to talk, or I’m talking to you, or you’re about to do something, you guys keep looking at eachother first”

They bust out laughing as they look at eachother’s posture, then again at their facial expressions, and then of course lastly at the looking at eachother.

You can proceed to analyze you and your wing, and other people, under the same criteria.

Good way to blow open the convo.

As always, great stuff from Tyler. You can read teh original post here.

The Power of Detachment

Senior Fingers, over at the DJ discussion boards, has a series of posts he dubs “Weapons of Mass Seduction” (clever, huh?). Anyway, one post of his caught my eye, entitled “The Power of Detachment.” It goes as follows…

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Anti-Dump’s Machine

While skimming through the DJ forums, I found a post that quoted someone by the name of Anti-Dump which I found interesting.

Anti-Dump writes:
You follow the same procedure time and time again with ALL women.

This will almost guarantee you success finding an INTERESTED women because it is like having a love machine. Just push a button and there she is…well there is more work than that but you get the picture.

You are now on the Road to ‘The One’.

What he’s basically saying here is, if you have a structure you use when approaching women, you will get results consistent with that structure.  So in essence, you are creating a machine which will produce the same outcome time and time again.  This is interesting because it’s been something I have been experiementing with for some time.

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Anti-Dump’s Machine

While skimming through the DJ forums, I found a post that quoted someone by the name of Anti-Dump which I found interesting.

Anti-Dump writes:
You follow the same procedure time and time again with ALL women.

This will almost guarantee you success finding an INTERESTED women because it is like having a love machine. Just push a button and there she is…well there is more work than that but you get the picture.

You are now on the Road to ‘The One’.

What he’s basically saying here is, if you have a structure you use when approaching women, you will get results consistent with that structure.  So in essence, you are creating a machine which will produce the same outcome time and time again.  This is interesting because it’s been something I have been experiementing with for some time.

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The Don Juan Art of War

It looks like someone over at the DJ boards translated Sun Tsu’s Art of War to be used in Picking-Up women. It’s a pretty interesting read, especially if you’re a fan of General Tsu’s original work.

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Keeping a Girl Interested

I found this over at the Don Juan Discussion Forum and thought it hit the nail on the head.

otr4 writes:
OK, it’s no “secret,” but here it is:
Give your girl orgasms: she will love you for life and do anything for you.
I gave the girl I’m seeing now an orgasm the first time we had sex. Before we had sex she had explained it is really difficult for her to get off during sex and most guys can NEVER even come close to giving her orgasm…
I told her “I love a challenge!”
I started recently researching male mulitiple orgasms (where you can have an orgasm without ejaculating and last forever). Well, I’ve finally been able to have these types of orgasms and NOW I bust on my girlfriend for getting off WAY before me!! I call her a “two pump chump”– (Talk about stereotype/role reversal here), and she loves it! She knows everytime we have sex she is going to feel pleasure and get off and now she wants it all the time and will do just about anything I request, including letting me bring home another girl to throw in the mix!
GIVE YOUR WOMEN ORGASMS!! Sure, it might take some work and practice and self-education, but it’s the sure fire way to keep yourself in control of the relationship and keep your girl interested. She will never stray if you can keep giving her those waves of pleasure because it’s hard for a girl to find a guy who can do this, so you will be (in her eyes) a a”diamond in the rough”and will never let you go. Good luck.

Yeah, this would seem to be common sense. But lots of guys are so focused on their male lust they can often neglect women’s needs. My buddy MasterClass is a big proponant of keeping a girl hooked by blowing her mind sexually, and I’ve seen how the women he’s with respond to him. It’s really quite amazing.

You can read the whole thread here.

Blown Out by Buying Temperature

Alphaman had a post on mASF which I checked out because it had an interesting subject. Basically, Alphaman had an experience where he was blown out of a set before he even opened it.

Alphaman writes
I had a rather strange experience at a club the other night.

I walk up and approach a 3 set standing near the dance floor.

Alphaman: (makes eye contact)
HB: uh uh… go away… please leave now(waving arms back and forth)
Alphaman: whatever (walks away)

I don’t really care all that much if I get rejected, though it was awfully weird being rejected so violently without me even saying anything.

Here’s the bad part:
She kept acting like this all night everytime I walked past her(giving me massive negative social proof.) I even went to another club in hopes of salvaging the evening, but unfortunately so did she.

Any ideas on how I should have handled this?

So Neo-Rio chimes in with a very interesting analysis of why this happened to him…

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Common Guidelines for Approaching

If we had to pin down probably the HARDEST part of seducing a woman, I think a great majority of guys out there would pin it down to the Approach.

Approaching a woman cold is probably the most difficult hurdle for guys to overcome. But once you get a handle on that, everything becomes much, much easier.

Sirducer put up a post on the General forum of mASF about basic guidelines to keep in mind when approaching. I think it’s pretty good basic stuff, so I’m reposting it here for reference sake.

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