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Concerning the PUA Challenge Hypnotica threw down a few days back, Mystery (preceeded by an "!" for some reason.  Does that mean "Fuck Mystery?"  Who knows.) has finally gotten around to responding.

!Mystery writes:
BTW, sorry I didnt reply sooner but I had a bootcamp in DC and I dont do the online thing too much while traveling.

If nobody accepts his challenge Ill do it, especially if the whole
thing could be broadcast somehow to the community – that way no matter
who wins we get the community going. But lets wait to see if anyone
will try him on before I do?

Also, I would like to lower the prize – for both Hypnotica and I its
not about the money and if I DID luck out and win then Id feel bad
taking that much. I bet he’d feel the same. So how about $500. Its
still considerable but not so much. I also fear that with such high
risk for challengers they may not TRY just in case.

Love !Mystery

Of course, the big surprize challenger has been the one-and-only mASF Granddaddy Formhandle, who’s apparently ready to flex his manly pecs on the West Coast for a change.  =)

Formhandle writes:
I suppose word will get out soon enough on this … I mailed Eric a few days ago
in regards to the challenge. I’m sure once this is known, others will
not want to be out-done and we will all see a flurry of names wanting
to be challenger. Too fuckin bad, I’ve got my hat first in the ring and
plan to do this for the hell of it. I don’t even have a clue what
Eric’s plans are but anybody yapping their gums about any of this and
not actually stepping up to the plate is full of it.

I was willing to do a similar thing ("challenge" LOL) at the Austin
Summit but nobody else stepped up. Hey, for all I know I will bomb a
big stinkeroo but at least can say my balls will cast a shadow over all
the "speculators".

Now… does anyone know where I can get the cheapest weekend tickets from BOS to SD?

Love,

Jay

And Hypnotica has accepted both challengers.

Hypnotica writes:
First. I give formhandle huge credit, we emailed each other and will
plan to meet. He was the first to accept the challenge. Big balls on
his part. The logistics are next. Mystery seems interested and i agree
i is not about the money but the money makes it real for takers . I
would enjoy doing it for fun, free or just to be tasked by someone
eager like me. I applaude both these guys for stepping up. I wil stop
with these guys because i want guys that are go getters. Remember the 3
second rule. I don’t want anyone else, these guys proved to me that
they are willing to go for it.

So there you have it, first round in the PUA challenger is Hypnotica vs. Formhandle.  Second round will be the winner vs. Mystery.  Let’s see if we can’t get some details on when this thing is going down and what the rules are.

Maybe we should schedule some time on pay-per-view?  =)

Levels Of Communication

Ever wonder about the communication differences between men and women?  Well, here is an 18 page PDF report on sexual communication, courtesy of superhappysex.com.  Hat tip to Posman on the Bad Boy forums for pointing out this one.

Traits of a Seducer

Raymond, over at his blog Bulletproof Pimp, has a pretty good post up about the traits and qualities the best seducers have.

Raymond writes:
Seduction is counterintuitive.
I would not have believed that Marc scored so many women if I had not
seen the evidence with my own eyes. I would have expected his more
mature, responsible, and better-looking brother to do much better than
him. The
essential building blocks of seduction are so counterintuitive, so
contrary to what rational analysis would lead you to, that the typical
guy will never figure out seduction on his own. I believe that
some men stumble across sexual success. Other guys will implement the
handful seduction strategies that are part of the popular
consciousness: work hard, buy her flowers, get a good job, be honest,
be yourself, treat her like a lady, etc., and these strategies are
doomed to fail.

 The
strategies that lead to success with women are so crazy, so irrational,
that a guy who strikes out with women will simply redouble his efforts
with those same failed techniques. In warfare the only way to
survive an ambush is to charge into the teeth of the enemy’s fusillade.
The successful technique of charging directly into hostile fire is
contrary to a man’s instinct, and so he must be trained in order to
survive. The secrets to seducing women seem like total insanity, such
that a man on his own will never figure them out in a million years.

 The master seducer’s “liabilities” are actually his assets.
Looked at rationally, there seemed to be dozens of factors holding Marc
back from success with women, but you should realize that these
handicaps were actually the means of his success. His lack of
commitment seemed spontaneous. His dangerousness was exciting. His
don’t give a damn attitude was carefree and relaxed. His inability to
plan for the future meant that he was totally here in the now. The fact
that he had screwed dozens of women meant that he had a cocksure
brazenness to his approach.

Brawny beats skinny.
One advantage Marc had over his brother and me is that he had a solid,
muscular build. I was very thin at that age. How many times have you
seen an extremely skinny man with a morbidly obese woman? We tend to
think of this as a mismatch, but a thin man and a fat woman are the
easiest and most natural pairing. A fat woman is the least attractive
woman, just as the skinny man is the least attractive man. In the Jack
Sprat and wife coupling we have two unattractive people getting the
best partner they’re capable of. Moral of the story: Hit the weights
and bulk up.

 

Hold out the possibility of getting married, but don’t be a dumbass and actually get married.
An unmarried man has everything he wants, in addition to protecting his
finances and future earnings. Women want to get their hands on your
cash and are yearning for the stability and social status that come
with marriage, so they will press for a wedding. You can either be
totally up front and ruin a good thing, or play it out as long as
possible.

Stop giving a flying F’%$@. Too many men are obsessed over outcomes.

I don’t want to ask her out because she might say no.

I don’t want to risk our friendship.

I just hope that Suzy agrees to go out with me –I’m so crazy about her I just don’t know what I’ll do if she says no.

Suzy said no! I’m so devastated; I’ve never felt so low. I guess I’m just a loser in love.

But
if some girl turned Marc down his attitude was, “Stupid cunt. Well, on
to the next one.” If she was married, or engaged, or a co-worker, or
any other imaginable supposedly insuperable obstacle, Marc’s attitude
was, “Fuck it. I’m going for it.” While I moped and agonized over my
latest rejection, Marc said “fuck it” and moved on.

Marc’s
devil-may-care attitude sucked women into his own reality, offering
them a tempting world wherein they, like he, could shed all of their
duties and obligations. Marc was fun, because nothing else
mattered, and women could shed their inhibitions with him. Women want
fun and adventure, which Marc offered in abundance, not a mature,
sensible hand-to–the-plow relationship.

 

                                                    

It has been my experience that the guys who are the most illogical are the ones who seem to be naturally talented with women.  I don’t know why that is.  Maybe it’s because women are fairly illogical and that allows these natural seducers to adapt to them quicker.  But the detached "I don’t give a fuck" attitude is something at ALL seducers who are worth their salt have.  The worst thing you can do if you want to pick up a woman is get attached to her. 

Most guys fall into this trap.  They get attached to women they’re attracted to!  A good seducer will still be attracted to a woman, but he won’t place so much importance on getting her (note:  that does not me he won’t do any work to get her!  It just means that should he get rejected or it fall through, he won’t linger on it). 

I think a big reason most guys get twisted into knots when it comes to women is that they don’t know how to disassociate themselves, at least initially, from their attachment to a girl they like.  This is mostly because most guys come from such a frame of scarcity, that once they find a girl they like, they feel that they’ll never be able to find a better woman for them.

How To Get A Social Life

Who else want to know how to cultivate an active social life, even if you don’t have one right now?

Well, don’t dispair.  There are many ways in which you can improve your social life, quite easily.

Read on…

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Demonstrations Of Higher Value

Mystery once again appears on mASF posting about "DHVs" (also known as Demonstrations of Higher Value, a technique where you raise your perceived social status in the eyes of a woman in an attempt to make her all starry-eyed.  =)

Mystery writes:
We DHV and then we make HER DHV. That is what QUALIFYING really means. We aren’t actually trying to make her qualify but DHV us.

THAT is the MIRRORED parallel between A2 and A3.

We DHV and look for IOIs in A2 and then in A3 we make her DHV us so we can IOI her.

Isnt that brilliant? I discovered this mirror between A2 and A3 many
months ago. The A3 objective is to make her DHV so you can IOI so this
includes the truth inherent in both the TRUE qualifying and false
qualifying models into one elegant model. M3. the concept of QUALIFYING
(both true and false) has thus been made out of date.

I started to take this mirror idea and see if certain gambits could be
mirrored and made to help us. turns out, if you mirror GROUNDING, then
you first ground your identity to her reality and then you make her
ground HER IDENTITY TO YOUR REALITY. improves the gambit, possibly
significantly.

what other gambits could be mirrored in order to improve the gambit’s effectiveness?

Okay, to translate a bit for the uninitiated…

In Mystery Method, everything is broken down into stages.  In the Attraction phase, there are three stages you must progress through — A1, A2, and A3.  What Mystery is referring to in this post is the concept of "Qualification," which Swinggcat introduced to the community with his Push/Pull technique.  What Mystery is saying here is that when you get a girl to "qualify" to you, what you’re really doing is demonstrating higher value, then forcing her to do the same — ie: she has to prove to you that she’s on the same level as you are.

When you demonstrate higher value in the second phase of Mystery’s attraction game, you look for "Indicators of Interest" (IOIs) from the girl to see if she’s showing signs of attraction.  If she is, and she responds by trying to demonstrate her value, you move into phase 3 of Mystery’s attraction model, and then show her Indicators of Interest as well to let her know that you’re into her as much as she’s into you (aka: mutual attraction).  In Mystery’s model, once you have mutual attraction, you move into comfort.

Whew.

Anyone else think Mystery needs to lay off the acronyms?  =)

Charisma Sciences?

Seems like the legendary Juggler is busy gearing up to be the next big PUA workshop guy, albeit he’s doing so in his typical laid-back way by joining forces with a bunch of other guys to create a new company called "Charisma Sciences."  Here’s the latest…

Hi Thundercat,

Just got done a private Juggler workshop in Sydney. In a word?  Amazing.

Here’s a heads up –> he’s got a new business called’Charisma Sciences Institute’ (CSI).  Looks like it’ll be very, very good stuff.  He’s got a few trainers working for him now, none of which were groomed in the seduction community.  This is basically the regular guy’s one stop shop to learning to pick up women.

www.charismasciences.com

I had a brief chat with Juggler on the phone the other day, and he seems like a cool guy.  I look forward to seeing him in action.  I do know that the great and mighty Style (the most powerful of the Jedi) thinks very highly of him, so you can’t get a better endorsment than that!  Juggler has also combined his weblog with that of his trainers, so you now get four blogs for the price of one!  You can check it out here.

Freedom With Women Seminar

Ron Louis and David Copeland, authors of How To Succeed With Women, are holding a seminar coming up soon called "Freedom With Women."  Here’s the skinny…

We are only accepting students that we believe will benefit (and will immediately implement what we teach them) from attending the workshop.

Why? It’s simple…

We want to give as much personal attention as we can to each and every participant in our workshop. Therefore we are only teaching a small group of men. So we are being very strict as to who we are allowing to come.

The Freedom with Women seminar is NOT about learning difficult techniques to hypnotize, force, or bamboozle women into bed.

If that’s what you want, go somewhere else — Heaven knows there are plenty of "gurus" willing to take your money and to promise that to you.

The Freedom with Women seminar is about getting women by being more YOU. It’s easy because it is NOT fake. And the men who’ve come to the training — men of all ages and from all walks of life — agree, and they say there’s nothing else like it.

If you think you might be right for the Freedom with Women seminar,  then email Ron Louis at ronl@howtosucceedwithwomen.com right away.

He’ll set up a brief phone call where you will discover, together, if this course is right for you at this time.

If you discover together that the course is right for you, then you can come if you want.

If not, then, as they say in Australia, "no worries."

Really, we don’t want you to waste our time or yours with the Freedom With Women seminar, if it’s not for you.

On the other hand, if the seminar IS right for you, we want to make it available to you for as long as we can.

Again, if you think the seminar might be right for you, email ronl@howtosucceedwithwomen.com, and simply say, "I’m interested in the seminar." He’ll get back to you.

Best,

Ron Louis and David Copeland

P.S. Just a friendly reminder — Time really is running out. When this seminar is full, it’s full, and other men will be discovering new levels of success and freedom with women.

If you suspect you might be right for it, here’s that email again,

ronl@howtosucceedwithwomen.com

I’ve had conversations with Ron Louis in the past, and he’s always been informative and helpful.  Admittedly, some of the stuff these guys teach isn’t on par with others in the seduction community, but if you’re not big into bars and clubs, and you’re a little bit older, this seminar may be something you want to check out.

Bishop & MINE’99, At It Again!

Seems Bishop and MINE’99 are once again crossing swords, this time in my post about the upcoming Cliff’s List Seminar.  After responding to a poster who claimed MINE’99 hasn’t made any advancement in years, MINE’99 listed his rather sub-standard product catalogue, which Bishop then took the opportunity to spank…

Bishop writes:
In response the defendent, Ross, who wrote:

""Going 7 years back to 1998 we have:

LA Frame Control videos 1999
DC 2000 Seminar Videos 2000
Palo Alto 2002 Hyper Response videos
Beyond Confidence
Fear Into Charisma
Advanced Irresistible Arousal""

LA Frame Control:
Is that the one where you recited the "Two Eyes" poem? Okay, you’re
right, that was previously only available in written form, so THAT was
an advancement.

DC 2000:
More like Major Mark’s finest moment than yours. Oh, wait, isn’t that
the videos where several times you mention "Bishop’s Journal" with such
high praise, and say that it’s the best example of combining
traditional patterning with the "new" stuff? But, I thought "Bishop’s
Journal" was a fake??? How can something fake be the best example of
your materiels???

Palo Alto 2002:
You used MY "fractionation" technique as your foundation, so it wasn’t
your advancement, it was piggybacking on MINE. Oh, okay, you found an
alternate way of doing the powerful self exercise.

Beyond Confidence:
Okay, so you found yet ANOTHER alternate way to have people step into
their ideal self. Hardly an advancement. (Unless you count advancing
sales)

Fear into Charisma:
From what I read in the ad copy, you pretty much combined my stuff,
David D’s, and Mystery’s. So where is YOUR contribution to it???

Advanced Irrisitible Arousal:
My fractionation techniques you used in Palo Alto 2002, Bishop’s
Journal, my Methods & Masters CD, Advanced Double Your Dating, and
reworded old stuff just repackaged as a new product.

Come on, Paul, are you REALLY expecting people to not notice these things????

""That’s 6 products right off the top, Bunky. Now, in the years you
have been involved with this, how many products did you actually manage
to complete? Hmmm?""

Five. And based on your products since then, apparently they had an
influence on you.(I can’t wait to see what you "borrow" as your own
when I release "The Fire of Seduction" But I have news for you; you
won’t find any SS materiels anywhere in it, so you’re going to have to
think for yourself, "bunky")

""Creating an inferno? I knew you broke into a house, but I didn’t
know arson was one of your great loves too. Please tell me you are just
using a metaphor, Mikey.""

There is yet another case of you making a libel statement. I was never charged nor convicted of breaking into a home.
Speaking of my legal matters; It’s a good thing I was a fraud and my
book was full of fiction, or else one might get the idea that I had the
hypnotic and infuential ability to get my former cellmates to come
visit people who don’t behave. Good thing THAT could never happen, me
being a fraud and all.

By the way, I thought you said Major Mark stopped speaking at your
seminars because he wanted to focus on his own company. Hmm, so why
does he speak at all those DeAngelo seminars??? How’s the new
attendance at the seminars been since he left?
By the way, did Yates make sure to get someone to eliminate the nearly
dozen mentions of me and my book, in the DC 2000 videos? If not,
excellent free advertising, thanX!

It’s a well known fact that MINE’99 isn’t the most "original" person in the world.  His initial products were based on NLP fundamentals he certainly didn’t invent.  And since then, he’s taken all the good stuff from former students and put his claim to it.  Hell, I’m surprized he’s not claiming he invented Yoga too.  I think Bishop’s post points this out better than anything (and this is coming from a guy who was in the top inner circle of SS!  Seriously, you don’t get any deeper than he was).

Anal Sex 101

Money_Matteo over at mASF has a rather humorous, yet informative post about the "ins-and-outs" (so to speak) of anal sex with women.

money-matteo writes:
Aaaaah, the
poop shute ! Breaking in the puckered starfish .. ok, here’s my 2 cents
on unlocking the back-door loving with your special little anal-angel.

Girls have such varying views on taking it in the pooper . The first
girl i slept with when i first got to NYC was a butt-sex monster ! the
first time we were having sex she just pulled it out of her pussy and
stuffed it in her ass WITHOUT ASKING me.. I had to actually look down
to verify what the hell had just happened ! and then to further cement
her place in the dirty-girl hall of fame she pulled it out of her ass
and stuffed it back in her pussy ! .. now NEVER do this.. this can
internally infect a girl and actually make her sterile.. once in the
pooter stay in the pooter, or take it to her mouth if you want to get
kinky with it.

This is in stark contrast to a girl I was in a relationship with
previously who was a)scared to death of taking it in the backdoor and
b)considered it sacred and wanted to save it for marriage.. This is
actually a reoccurring theme that i’ve been running into where girls
want to save their virginal butthole for that special sacred moment..
talk about back-asswards.

anyhow, if you want to stick her I think the best way to do it is assume -worst case scenario-..

NEVER bring it up outside of a sexual encounter.. i’ve made the mistake
before of bringing it up over dinner or during another non-sexual
moment.. This is fine if she wants it or has no walls against BUT if
she is resistant than up go the walls and she’ll be on the defense
waiting for your anal advances.. There is also the thought that you
should forcefully dominate her into it.. I don’t think this is a good
idea unless you are cool with only doing it once.. I’ve done the anger
anal-sex i’m gonna cram my manstick in your tight little ass you filthy
cockwhore before but she will forever remember you ripping her a new
asshole and will probably fight off repeat advances.

Here’s what you do.. don’t bring it up verbally.. Have normal sex with
her, get her super hot and bothered, start playing around her ass with
your finger rubbing around the edges until she is comfortable with
that.. slowly penetrate her with your finger. DONT ASK, just do.. be
kissing on her, fucking her good at the same time, looking in her eyes,
etc and opening her up a bit.. reach on the table and get a little lube
for the finger and continue to penetrate her.. next, flip her on her
stomach and fuck her from behind.. pull your cock out and put the head
right on her asshole and kind of push against it til its about to go
in.. keep massaging it against her and then whisper in her ear that you
want to stick it in her ASS..

She’s already heated, her ass is already lubed up a bit, your cock is
right there ready to go, and you are telling her what you are about to
do.. It’s the strongest place to be for anal negotiations..

When she gives the go-ahead be gentle.. put just the head inside her
and wait for her to adjust.. wait about 5-10 seconds before moving..
then slowly start thrusting.. she should get to a point where you can
pound away but its after she stretches out a bit and you’re properly
lubed up. Make sure you’re not putting her in too much pain otherwise
it might be a one time thing..

Also remember that anal sex is a risky procedure, if the cargo-hold is full you might need to buy a new mattress !!!

Good luck my fellow scurvy infested booty pirates !!! AARRRRRrrrrr ! Give em tha HOOK !

I would also like to point out that anal sex is also the RISKIEST type of sex you can engage in, and to only do it with a partner you trust and know their sexual history about.  Due to the tearing and bleeding that can occur (because let’s face it, the anus just isn’t naturally built for this type of action), the risk of transmitting an HIV is very high, especially for the girl.  So know what you’re getting into BEFORE you do it and always wear a condom.

Mystery Solves Last Minute Resistence?

A new post up by Design over on mASF reveals that Mystery has come up with a fool-proof way of getting past any last minute resistence a girl might put up to keep you from closing the deal…

Design writes:
This is important stuff, so I’m reposting it in T&T:

On 4/18/05 7:58:00 AM, Mystery wrote:
>If someone who took the
>bootcamp this weekend could
>kindly post a synopsis of my
>theories of and gambits for
>LMR I would appreciate it.
>Angel would find them very
>helpful and reasonable.

No prob.  (FUCK…it looks like I lost my notes…I have ThuWhacker’s though, so here it is…)

LMR, or Last Minute Resistence, is an evolutionarily hard-wired
emotional defense mechanism a girl has due to the fact that 40,000
years ago, if she got pregnant by a guy who wasn’t going to stick
around to help raise the child, she and the child would die.

Mystery describes the feeling this way: Have you ever had $10,000 on
red when you are playing roulette? LMR is like you have a lot of money
and its riding on a 50-50 chance. That is what last minute resistance
is for a girl.

There are five ways to overcome LMR, but the general principle is not
to barrel through it with eternal persistence…it’s to help her get
rid of the feeling so that she doesn’t experience it in the first place.

(1) Seven hours.  If you wait seven hours before trying to full monty her, you will dramatically reduce LMR.

(2) "You have highjacked my brain." Convince her of this and you
capitulate to the needs of her LMR: you two are pair-bonded…you won’t
just fuck her and leave. Start your "highjacked brain" campaign ten
minutes into the sarge:

"Do you want to hear the weirdest thing? I don’t know you from a hole
in the wall, I really feel this connection with you. Its so weird. Say
that when you went away, I actually missed you."

(3) The Freeze Out. This is Mystery’s classic LMR tactic. If a girl
stops you at a certain point as you are moving toward sex, and it is
not simply token resistence, you STOP. Completely. Stop. Say, "I
understand." And go do something else. It is imperative not to come off
as pouting. Rather, you’re just communicating, "If you don’t want to do
this, that’s cool." But really, this is a punishment for her since she
is aroused. You’re saying, you don’t get the reward of me arousing you
unless you’re willing to take this all the way. Anyway, stop, go do
something else, then return, maybe touch her leg, and things will
resume. Then tell her to do the thing she wouldn’t do before. Continue
as usual.

(4)"We should stop." This is for token resistence: when a girl comes up
with lots of stupid excuses why you shouldn’t be hooking up. In those
cases you just say, "You’re right, we should stop," and keep going.

(5) Riker’s 3 Rules: You tell a girl, "Look, I have three values that I
live by. One, I always wear a condom. Especially with a girl that I
first have sex with. Two, I want this to be fun. I want this to be
win-win. I want us to both enjoy it. Three, when we look back at this
tomorrow, I want us to look back and be glad that we did it. If
everything has happened again, I want us to want to do it again. If we
don’t feel these are true, then we shouldn’t do it."

And there you have it…the solution to LMR.

This is much preferable to the "hit them over the head and knock them out" method.  Be sure to take note, fellas.

Alpha Body Language

There’s a new video up on the Badboy forums that REDEFINES how those CRAZY Europeans view…

ALPHA BODY LANGUAGE!

You can witness it for yourself here.

In the heat… of the… niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight…

State O’ The Blog

A few updates to the ol’ Lair today.

First, and probably the most notable, is the new logo. I wanted to go with something a bit simpler that explicitly told what the site was about, so there ya have it. An oval with some words on it, can’t get much simpler than that.

Secondly, I’ve optimized the blog so that it’ll be a bit more compatible with all the cavemen out there who still have their computer screens set to 800×600. No more horizontal scrolling for them! And the rest of you should notice a bit more screen real estate on either side.

Also, I just wanted to point out for those of you who like to use newsreaders, that you CAN in fact sign up to have posts from this blog sent to them. If you look to the left column, under the “Products” partition, there’s a link that says: