Video: Thundercat Vs. 2 Hot Guys
August 8, 2008 by Thundercat
Filed under Video
Hey guys,
This week I have a very interesting video to share with you, but before I do, I want to give you a bit of background…
I got my friend Erica to invite a number of girls to come by my place one hot summer’s day. None of them knew why they were going to be there, they were just doing it as a favor for my friend.
So I had NEVER met these girls before. They didn’t know me. I didn’t know them.
I had two guys I knew show up as well. Their names are Theo and Zack. Here’s a little bit about them:
THEO
Theo is a personal trainer here in Hollywood. He’s extremely muscular and fit, and every girl who sees him is instantly turned on by his looks.
When you compare Theo’s chizzled body to my rotund Kung-Fu Panda-esque body, there’s simply no doubt about it – I’m the loser!
ZACK
Zack is a big party guy. He goes out to the clubs 5-6 nights a week (no kidding!). By his own admission, he finds hooking up with girls “easy.”
Zack is a very good looking guy, with a head of hair I’d kill for. Me, I’m not the club going type anymore. So when it comes to social pick-up skills, Zack should have me beat.
The Shoot
The way things worked is that Erica would bring the girls out one at a time, and they each met with Theo, Zack, and myself.
After each meeting, my friend Ryan would interview the girls about their experience while my friend Steve video taped the interview.
I want to re-itterate: NONE of the girls really knew what was going on!
And trust me – this was NOT a professional production! It was just my friends with a video camera. No make up artists, special effects, or any of that stuff. I’m sure you’ll be able to tell from the quality of the video, this was really HOME MADE!
My friend Ryan, who interviewed each of the girls, was absolutely SHOCKED by their responses.
In each instance, I came of just as attractive, and in most cases – even MORE attractive – than the good looking guys!
You can see the whole video for yourself here:
Thundercat Vs. 2 Better Looking Guys
You’ll actually get to see the girl’s honest reactions to me and the other guys for yourself,
Let me know what you guys think in this thread.
Thundercat
P.S. Some of you haters might be inclined to think that this video was somehow “staged.” I can assure you, that is not the case.
None of the girls were coached on what to say. All their reactions stem from the conversations they had with me and the two other guys.
You can tell, just by watching the way they answer the questions, they’re NOT reading from a script.
It was very important to me that we capture the REAL REACTIONS of these women, so I can prove to all of you how effective personality is when it comes to generating attraction.
At the end of the day, I know there are some guys out there bitter and shallow-minded enough to still think I “faked” this shoot. But that’s okay. Those are the guys who’ll never succeed with girls.
I’ll leave it to you to decide if what you see is real or not.
Go check out the video here:
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Mackwild
(1) Notice your need for approval in “writing” to thundercat. “bro” and “respect” it is very clear that you have been listening to the mind of mystery that you probably got off of a torrent site and are now imitating lovedrops amog mannerisms.
(2) Stop attacking people for being fanboys. MackWild. Once again, you are battling yourself here. the best thing for you would be a break from these message boards.
(3) Stop accusing people of getting emotionally involved with their posts – again – mackwild i’ve watched your crazy ass emotional posts unfold over the 6 months and every time i read them i just feel bad for you.
(4) Stop saying “you guys” – you are one of them
(5) Calling guys pathetic and sad.
(6) I found it how last night at 18:14 you were “getting ready to go out” and at 19:42 you were still posting in response to peoples questions. And don’t tell me you were on an “iphone” in the field.
(7) The only reason i come back to your posts over and over again are because they are like a car crash. I don’t want to look. But I am compelled to. I am drawn. You are such a mess.
I made my strongest recommendations in my last post. You “thanked” me for them and then proceeded to uphold your ego by telling me why your ego was justified.
Read over your last post.
Look at your behaviors.
Realize how fucked up it all is.
And then PLEASE take my advice, go through sedona and release technique, listen to some holosync. Take a break from these forums and really get shit sorted out.
I’m serious man. Or as lovedrop would say – “bro”.
All the best,
q
Who the fuck are you q? You don’t even know me. You talk about ego? Look at yours — take a look in the mirror. Who the fuck are you to critisize anyone? Maybe I should take a break from these forums because mostly all I can see at this point is idioticness and I get sucked into it. However if you feel my posts are idiotic because I get sucked into drama then your doing the same shit right now dude.
You may not like some of the shit I say but I never really asked your opinion. When I make a post there is always value given in it — always. Sometimes people have to look between the insults to find it — but it’s always there.
just trying to help man.
notice that their isn’t an OUNCE of hostility in my words.
just offering some help to a brother in need…
ciao.
q
Mack, again your comments are off topic and filled with assumptions, if you’re addressing “Me” and I. I’ve never said that I think looks are the most important thing. I just pointed out that thundercat’s study was flawed. That doesn’t mean that I think his conclusions are totally wrong.
As an analogy, suppose I am trying to prove that cats can jump, and I post a video of me throwing cats into the air. If someone points out that my video didn’t prove that cats can jump, it does not follow that they think that cats can’t jump.
I do get the sense that thundercat is overhyping his own skills in the video, because he felt the need to post such a biased video and also he’s said on his show that he doesn’t like to sarge when out with community guys because he doesn’t want to be judged. That doesn’t mean that I think someone who looked exactly like thundercat couldn’t be a really good PUA.
Mack’s the new Ray Gordon of the community.
>As an analogy, suppose I am trying to prove that cats can jump, and I post a video of me >throwing cats into the air. If someone points out that my video didn’t prove that cats can ?>jump, it does not follow that they think that cats can’t jump.
But no one CARES about that man. No one except you. This isnt a science blog, it’s a blog about how looks are not the only or biggest factor.
>just offering some help to a brother in need…
In need of what? I don’t need shit from you. I carry on the way i do on here because I WANT to. When I have no respect for people or their opinions I say so. I call shit how I see it. Im here because people can’t moderate me and I couldnt give less of a sweet fuck what you or anyone else thinks of my opinions. If you want to argue and call me names because I am trying to help guys get past their looks, that’s YOUR problem — not mine.
>Mack’s the new Ray Gordon of the community.
And congrats to you — your the latest NOBODY.
I love guys who can’t even manage to make an image or a name for themselves on the INTERNET. Mindless losers who don’t want to ruffle feathers.
Sedona method?
Screw that. Do you think I am here to be spiritual? No I like having a voice, I like putting people in their place. The only people who think it comes off bad is wussbags who don’t dare to stand out and take a stand for anything or contribute anything.
All the losers are coming out of the woodworks now with their AFC frames to battle the evil Mack wild for taking my time to tell them how looks do not matter. Why are you all so god damn pissed about that? Because it makes you the ultimate loser with no excuse?? Sorry guys.
hey mack.
one last time….
get your inner shit handled.
sedona method isnt about being spiritual – its
about letting go of all your fucked up tendencies
so you can live a normal life.
do you think anyone with a modicum of self
respect honestly lashes out on message boards
like this?
come on.
lets get it together here.
i want to see you succeed.
i think deep down, everybody does.
you are bugging out man. come back down to earth buddy.
last post was by me
lol.
Q man.
Do you take pride in the fact that you are gaming some guy on the internet? Does that make up for your shortcomings. Your a real cool guy man. Im impressed. Now go out in the real world and make it happen ok kiddo? Because this type of Amog and obsessive stalker type shit on thundercats blog doesn’t make you as cool as you think it does. I think it’s time for YOU to let things go “buddy”. lol. I mean your ridiculas.
Im done with this. You don’t like what I have to say? Don’t read it — “bro”.
notice how mackwild posts volumes compared to everyone else. That’s because he’s the one guy becoming emotional and qualifying himself. Mackwild, go kill yourself, loser
Talekhine, forget it man.
Mack doesn’t understand the point you’re trying to make. When you mentioned you work in the sciences, he turned off his brain and concluded that you have nothing to add.
He displays an appalling level of ignorance on what constitutes “evidence”. Your cat analogy hit the nail on the head, but he completely ignored the point you were making – dismissing it as “science” (oohh.. science.. nerds!!)
For the record, to make it so clear the even Mack to understand:
Can a fat guy pickup women using personality? Almost certainly.
The video attempts to prove this. Does it prove it? No, because the method is flawed.
That’s it. Not hard to understand is it Mack?
Yup — I ran poor game on an internet blog with a bunch of guys. Guilty as charged man. Your cool. You should be proud.
Sorry if Im not that interested in running game on the internet guys, it’s just that I didn’t get in this to be a KJ amog, I got into it to add insight into the game and to game girls in the real world. I will try to work on my online qualifying and be less reactive like our good buddy Q. Then maybe I might even be able to get a few homosexual dates with some of you, perhaps even sidenote here. I mean I kind of have a thing for hypocrites and I honestly can’t help but be turned on by a guy who writes a post about being emotional and then in the next sentence says “go kill yourself, loser”. It doesn’t get much better than that. lol.
Ok recess is over guys, feel free to play in the sandbox amoung yourselves. It’s been real, it’s been fun — it hasnt been REAL fun but then again theres always tomorrow.
Ok seriously now guys — this is my LAST post on this subject and I should have followed my own advice at the beginning of this thread that I gave to Thundie. In regards to this:
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Talekhine, forget it man.
Mack doesn’t understand the point you’re trying to make. When you mentioned you work in the sciences, he turned off his brain and concluded that you have nothing to add.
He displays an appalling level of ignorance on what constitutes “evidence”. Your cat analogy hit the nail on the head, but he completely ignored the point you were making – dismissing it as “science” (oohh.. science.. nerds!!)
For the record, to make it so clear the even Mack to understand:
Can a fat guy pickup women using personality? Almost certainly.
The video attempts to prove this. Does it prove it? No, because the method is flawed.
That’s it. Not hard to understand is it Mack?
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I do UNDERSTAND your take from the SCIENTIFIC standpoint. What I am saying is what you don’t understand. Here is a summary of what I am saying:
1) Pickup is not about science and this topic can never be about science.
2) Just because it is not scientifically proven doesn’t mean that it is not something that is true.
3) This is not a blog about science, it is a blog about pickup.
4) People who tend to dwell on things like intelligence and science and over analyze things to this degree DONT GET GIRLS. This is about confidence and giving yourself permission to be entitled to things, not science. It’s about what goes on in your head, not a math formula.
I may not be the smoothest guy socially, especially when you guys get me going — which you love to do to feed your own drama. What I am is someone who has balls. If I were in person with you guys I would speak to you about the same way I have here, except perhaps with a little more respect because I would know you personally. What I find is that the majority of men that I meet online and then see in person — dont have a fraction of the balls they do online. Even worse is the guy who cant even stand out online. I go for what I want without worrying about if it’s scientifically proven that I can succeed. I call shit how I see it and I call a spade a spade. I can’t proove a mathmatic algorithm and despite a college degree would probably fuck up royally on something as trivial as a fractions test — but I can go out in the real world and despite what some people may think about my looks I can pull 8′s with a little effort. It’s cause I don’t really give a flying fuck mostly, not because of science.
Last night I pulled again. 3 times in as many weeks. The girl before my pull make a yuck face at me as if I was the most ugly guy that lived and that I had broken a law by even LOOKING at her — I never even SAID anything — but the look on her face would say that I was REPULSIVE. Shook me up for a split second but that’s it — a split second. I shook it off and within 10 seconds I walked by this girl who said:
“OH my god I am soooo pissed — that guy is the hottest guy I have ever SEEN.”
I guess she was pissed that I looked and kept walking, so I doubled back after she yelled that out. How she could think I am the hottest guy who ever lived is beyond me. Maybe its that looks are in the eye of the beholder, or maybe she was just drunk. I didn’t really care — and neither should you. The point is that getting caught up about looks is NEVER going to do you any good towards getting the girls you want — whether it can be scientifically proven or not — whether thundercat staged this or not. What good is it for an ugly man to feel that he is too ugly to get girls? Then he has just rejected himself. I think there are enough girls out there ready to reject him based on his looks alone — so why in the world would he want to add to his rejection by rejecting himself and not even taking a swing? Most people come off attractive based on how they dress and more importantly their energy, their tonality, and the way they look at the world. What they have going on for them in their life is a bonus — social proof is even better.
So people can think whatever they want but at the end of the day IRREGARDLESS of facts or science — ask yourself. Which guy is going to get laid more? The guy who thinks he’s not good looking enough — or the guy who doesn’t give a fuck?
“I do UNDERSTAND your take from the SCIENTIFIC standpoint”
“Pickup is not about science and this topic can never be about science.”
“This is not a blog about science, it is a blog about pickup.”
OK, one last time Mack. Maybe this time the penny will drop.
Science gave us a method of getting at the truth of a matter. In the wider community it became known as the “scientific method”. That’s where the science ends.
It may have “science” in the name but the method in and of itself IS NOT SCIENCE.
The “scientific method” is used by advertising professionals in marketing for Christs sake!!
Let’s just call it “the system to test if stuff is true”… does that make it easier?
Thundercat’s video fails this “system to test if stuff is true”.
I think what mack is saying is that it is irrelevant man, I mean what does the scientific method have to do with getting laid?
John, every guru says “Pay me money, learn my system and you’ll get laid”
The “system to test if stuff is true” lets you dismiss the bogus claims straight off the bat, so you don’t waste both time (and money).
But hey, if you’ve got unlimited time and money, by all means, buy every product and learn every system and discover the one’s that work on your own – via good old trial and error.
It’s a bit like having a head-ache and trying every medicine in a pharmacy until you find one that fixes your headache – or you could just ask the pharmacist which one has been proven (in advance, via trials) to work.
Personally, my resources (time and money) are a finite resource.
I follow you but I think the premise of just about ANY method out there (mainstream or underground) is that looks do not define you and that there are other factors that get you laid, and by consentrating on those factors your chances can increase. So I still don’t get what the importance or conclusion of this scientific argument is or what it has to do with getting laid.
Mack Wild wrote
“Ok seriously now guys — this is my LAST post on this subject and I should have followed my own advice at the beginning of this thread that I gave to Thundie. In regards to this:”
He has said this about 6 times over the past month.
People. Please email Joseph to ban this guy.
I’ll start.
thundercat@thundercatseductionlair.com
Ban me?
I was only trying to help to inspire men regardless of what they look like. Other replies based on my approval of methods were only meant to help give direction to guys who have not been at this long enough to practice, study, and understand the drawbacks to certain methods and teachers. Also I said this was my last post on this subject — meaning looks.
I honestly feel I am contributing value on this board, and I don’t understand why anyone would want to ban me. Obviously for whatever reason in trying to contribute value I have been misunderstood. I only post to help people. If people don’t find value in my posts theres no reason for me to continue to post on here. I will leave permanately and immediately. There is no sense in staying somewhere where I am considered a burden.
Mackwild,
I’m willing to bet you don’t get chicks. And it has nothing to
do with your looks. Most of us here know why.
Go back meds, man.
Mackwild,
I’m willing to bet you don’t get chicks. And it has nothing to
do with your looks. Most of us here know why.
Go back on your meds, man.
mack,
irregardless isn’t a word.
i think you were searching for “regardless”.
i apologize for trying to help you, i really do.
you can lead a horse to water….but you can’t make him drink.
but that doesn’t mean the horse has to like about getting laid.
catch my drift?
cheers,
q
“I honestly feel I am contributing value on this board, and I don’t understand why anyone would want to ban me.”
I know.
But have narcississtic personality disorder. You see, already, “I’m just trying to help, why is
everyone against me”….classic symptom.
Also, Having people constantly tell you to shutup, to go away….do you listen to them??
Of course not. You have narcississtic personality disorder, and this is a symptom.
You are disruptive as hell. AND you LOVE the ATTENTION…another symptom of NPD, all attention, whether negative or positive is what an NPD craves.
pls email joseph guys
thundercat@thundercatseductionlair.com
well, wrote a post that didn’t post, but the basic stuff I was going to say has been said since then – including that “irregardless” is not a word.
I don’t know that he has NPD or HPD (which might explain the need for attention, the irritability,etc) but another thing that isn’t a good sign is the fact that he rubs so many people the wrong way…
Ok guys. Fine. Im done. Good luck to you.
P.S
I wiki’d the NPD disorder and everything it said besides lack of empathy seemed pretty well on. I guess it comes out stronger online than it does in real life — but I think it’s part of whats has destroyed the serious relationships with women that I have had. I think internalizing community mindsets in part has made it worse. Anyways again — good luck to you all, and no worries — I wont be back. I promise.
“Ok guys. Fine. Im done. Good luck to you.”
TO clarify, you won’t be back in this “thread” or be back ever. Wait, don’t respond to that.
I don’t mind your point of view but when you are ONE against everyone I just don’t understand why you don’t stop to re-evaluate your position a bit more. If I posted something and pretty much everyone disagreed with me, it would make me re-evaluate my position!
Mack Wild, 11. August 2008, 19:14
“Im done. Good luck to you.”
6 mins later…
Mack Wild, 11. August 2008, 19:20
“P.S. I wiki’d the …”
How long before he’s unable to resist and posts once more …. “just one last” time?
“I don’t mind your point of view but when you are ONE against everyone I just don’t understand why you don’t stop to re-evaluate your position a bit more.”
Let me be very clear — I will never EVER take the position that I am defined or constrained by my physical looks. Nothing anyone can say will ever change my mind because when I use to feel constrained by my looks, i got ABSOLUTELY NO SEX WHAT SO EVER.
And yes I mean i will never post again EVER. Case closed. Good luck.
it’s funny… in almost every post mackwild writes he says, “That’s it. It’s my last post.” And then a few minutes later he posts again. This guy is so full of shit
So, just a little over an hour between:
“Im done. Good luck to you.”
and
“i will never post again EVER. Case closed. Good luck.”
OK, how long before his next post claiming “I really mean it this time, this is my last post ever’”
Place your bets people.
I see you’ve deleted your piece of shit blog.
GOODbye Mack Wild.
he deleted his blog?
this is very good.
i feel for this guy. i see someone who is seriously hurt and needs
to spend time getting his life handled for real instead of pretending
to be a guru.
guys, if he shows up again, lets just ignore him.
he will go away. and for everyones benefit.
good work guys!
cheers,
q
Meditate on this:
FUCK YOU, FAGGOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don’t try to critisize what’s bigger than you. I’ll bet you’re all a bunch of niggers too. FILTHY FUCKING FAGGOTT NIGGERS! FUUUUUCK YOOUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!
^shut up bitch.
I don’t know if that is actually Mack Wild above with the racist remarks or somebody posing as him, but… get a life.
It’s better than playing internet tough guy under a veil of anonymity.
You’re weak and lashing out in a way that’s safe (typing anonymously).
Fuck off and develop a real set of balls (or maybe yours haven’t dropped yet? – in which case, forgive me…)
Okay,
I aggree that Mack needs to take a break. He went a little off the deepend. But, poor guy erased his blog. How sad. Don’t give up, man.
OK, it’s one thing to engage in a good old fashioned flame war (minus the swearing of course), but when a guy deletes his blog – it’s time for us all to take a step back OK?
It’s a matter of ethics. You don’t kick a man when he’s down, and from his latest action, he’s clearly down.
Clearly, he was more upset than we realized. We are all human beings here.
Mack, we can disagree on issues, but dude YOU are the reason this thread is popular! If it wasn’t for your posts, this thread would have died long ago. Yet we keep coming back and back, you post, we post – it livens up our day.
Please don’t take it so personally, none of us really know each other anyway – we’re all just pixels on a computer screen.
guys, i hope you all realise that this entire shenanigans fron thundercat is a smokescreen to build up hype for his next product release “pure personality”.
which im sure most of you clowns will buy
Guys…
Email Joseph and request that he be banned…that’s all, it’s really simple.
he will be back, I promise you. He has a mental disorder and it’s super-disruptive
to this blog. He’s lying, another symptom of NPD.
pls. ask Joseph to ban him. I’d like to have debates and discussions without
a mental case screwing things up.
thanks. email joe at
thundercat@thundercatseductionlair.com
Get a life Voltaire.
Voltaire is actually “Mehow”. Mehow has a vendetta against Mack for 2 reasons. First is that mack wrote a post about phone game that he feels “copies” him. Second is mack makes a lot of gay jokes. Insiders know that Mehow is gay, and I guess it is hurting his sales.
Voltaire is actually “Mehow”. Mehow has a vendetta against mack for 3 reasons. First is that mack wrote a post about phone game that he feels “copies” him. Second is mack makes a lot of gay jokes. Third is that mack embarrassed him in vegas by stealing his girl in front of some prominant people with gay amogging. Insiders know that Mehow is gay, and I guess his hurting sales are causing him to get a bit crazy. Sinn and Formhandle came out on fastseduction and called out mehow as a fake because he admitted in a post and later edited it that he had only been laid once.
LOL and MM are Mack Wild.
Mack Wild would remember ME, because I said in another thread Mehows Infield Insider
was currently the best product on the market. Why? Easy, unlike bootcamps, you can
hear what he’s saying to the girls AND, he has the analytical capabilities of TD. Also,
props to him for looking like he does and putting his ass on the line.
As you can see, the other companies are now copying him, which I personally emailed
Mehow to tell him “watch out man, the copycats will be all over you like stink on a
monkey”. And I was right.
Pls guys. I am not Mehow. That guys is so busy. And all the guys who come here probably
illegally download, so, I’m sure this place is a joke for business for him.
thundercat@thundercatseductionlair.com
just email Joseph and ask for Mack Wild to be banned. I did.
nice video about “how to be a nice guy and have a great connection with girls, without sex!”
thundercat heated up the girls for the upcomming boring sex with Theo and Zack.
BTW: Zack´s cockiness was too exaggerated
Guys
This is the last time I am going to ask nicely!
I don’t understand why this is so hard.
Please PLEEEEEASSSSE get mack wild banned.
Here is the link for the 100th time in case you haven’t yet seen it:
thundercat@thundercatseductionlair.com
I asked that he got banned, now it’s your turn.
We have to ban him. We just have to ban him.
Please guys. Please.
I can’t sleep at night.
Im so gay.
Guys seriously.
thundercat@thundercatseductionlair.com
Do it guys please.
I can’t stop thinking about this guy.
He is ruining my life.
Guys please. Lets ban mack wild. All you have to do is email him:
thundercat@thundercatseductionlair.com
Don’t piss me off guys. I need you to do this right now. It’s not that hard.
Please guys.
Im not Mehow by the way.
While imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery,
the above is too much, pls get your mouth off my dick.
Mehow = gay drunken clown
“Oh Mack Wild. You hear “science” and you think test tubes, beakers and nerds don’t you?
Imbecile.
It’s not about “science”, it’s about the “scientific method”
The “scientific method” was developed by scientists to test their theories, but the method is used by all manner of people these days and its applicability is now so widespread that it’s used in all fields of endeavor.
It’s simply a system that can get to the truth of a matter – is what’s being claimed correct or not?”
Who gives a damn, nerdy boy? Go out in the real world, get some game, and you won’t need the scientific method to realize that personality is far more attractive to women than looks. The proof will be the orgasm you have after pulling hot women out from under the jocks.
Look, I got a like an 8.7 on Hot or Not. Despite that, and despite an entertainer’s personality, I used to have real problems getting laid. Now I don’t, and I also have no problem winning women over when there are male model types in competition with me.
You want to waste time with experiments to test premises out scientifically?
Go ahead and waste your time. It would be far better spent in the field.
Imbecile.
“Ok. But, the asian looking good looking guy is so over-the-top retarded, like, pulling out a cell phone during a convo and acting like a dolt, is staged, to manipulate a bad reaction out of the girls which even a regular dude like me would blow him away. SO, nice try bud.”
I might think so too except that I actually know a guy just like that Asian guy. despite being an asshole, pulling out cell phones, and pretty much acting just like that dde he still gets laid by very superficial women. It never lasts long, usually it’s just a one night stand. Sad thing is, I think it’s kind of common in short super-attractive guys. Their looks make them lazy in personality, and their stature gives them the asshole Napolean complex.
This guy I know comes up to chicks with boyfriends and says shit like “I’m way better looking than that guy, why are you with him?” with an expression on his face like he is really actually appaled by the chick being with an average looking guy.
Sadly, I think Mr. Asian cutie is for real. He is doomed to only get laid in clubs by drunk women who haven’t had to talk to him overly long.
BTW I just got back from NY and Phillie. You arseholes sure were mean to poor Mack. He’s always attacking me, too, but I didn’t mind. What was he hurting that y’all had to tar and feather the poor boy like that?