Anti-Badboy Blog?

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I got an email from a fella named Byr today telling me about his new blog, which seems to be all about Badboy…

Hey Thundercat,

since there were so many positive things written about Badboys workshops in the past I thought it’s time to put things a little bit into perspective. So I created a little Blog a short time ago.

While it’s not directly related to PU itself it could be interesting for guys who want to participate at a workshop into the future.

The url is http://byrsblog.blogspot.com/. Take a look and decide if it could be interesting for your readers.

Byr.

So I did take a look, and I was surprized to find that almost every post had to do with critiquing Badboy.  Here’s Byr’s reason for the blog…

I participated in a "Badboy-Workshop" at May 2004. I haven’t got the results I wanted and I wanted to make public that the Workshop wasn’t able to deliver according to the promises Badboy makes. But my honest update of my first very positive review of this workshop was deleted by Badboy from his forum. It’s also difficult to impossible to discuss the topic in his forum (where it belongs to inform potential new customers) because he deleted threads and banned me multiple times. As a result I created this Blog to post infos without being censored or banned.

I’m still struggeling with the problems I wanted so solve by taking the workshop. I know that it’s my responsibility to get the results I want and I do not blame Badboy for that. But I do blame him for decieving his customers, for the use of unethical marketing methods and for trying to destroy my credibility by making unfounded accusations.

Having never met Badboy or taken a workshop of his, I can’t speak to Byr’s accusations.  I have had a number of friends of mine take Badboy’s workshop and come back extremely pleased with the results.  I do know that Badboy now has a new management team for his business and a few of his old cohorts have splintered off to form Fidentia, a rival workshop business.  Could this be the reason for the sudden change?  Who knows.  It will be interesting to keep an eye on Byr’s blog, though.

Badboy Forums

This news is a bit old, but it looks like the Badboy Lifestyle Forums have been closed to the public and are now only accepting posts from workshop attendees, much like the forumson Mystery’s site does.  I can understand wanting to reserve Badboy’s posts just for those students of his who’ve taken a workshop and expressed interests in using his methods to improve, but I do hope we still see Badboy post publically from time to time still.

A Complete Guide to Vibing

A guy named Spirit Fingers posted a pretty good article on mASF about "Vibing" with a girl.  Definitely worth a read…

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Routine Dependancy

Tyler Durden has a new post up about reliance on routines…

Tyler Durden Posts:
Routines, while potent and effective, can also become like a car or a house or a bank account. And moreso, they can become a part of your identity in a way that is constricting.

When we first come to the game, we learn that chumps will talk to girls with boring, resume-like conversation, that is essentially trying too hard to build rapport and conveying all the wrong things. We learn to have conversations that stand out and make us more interesting than the next man. We learn to make ourselves stand out from the chumps by virtue of our fascinating topics of conversation.

With time, we also become psychologically dependent on our routines, because we know that if a girl is talking to us, and we have intrigued her and pushed her away and made her chase us, that she is in our frame and that we can feel completely comfortable. She sees us as that guy who conveyed a ton of personality, so therefore she sees us in a way that we want to be seen and that guarantees acceptance.

And so when we see a girl later in the week, we think "I need to put her in state. What routines have I run? Oh shit!" Or if we meet a girl for the first time and we do not actively attract her, we feel a bit anxious as though there is something that we need to be doing.

Now let’s pause for a second…

As guys in the game, the things that attract women are the sub-communication of higher value. This is subcommunicated especially in our voice and eye contact, as well as in the fluidity and space usage in our body language to an extent. When your voice resonates and pumps, and your eye dialations are completely unreactive, and your body is fluid, you will have attraction. So when you speak to a woman, even when she is not initially attractive, if you are reactionless to it and you maintain your higher value sub-communications, she will eventually become reactive herself and fall into your frame.

And so back on track…

When we run a set gameplan, these sub-communications flow from us naturally because we are playing the role of the guy who attracts women. We have shed our chump identity, and we have taken on an identity of a player and a champ. We have conveyed our personality in a way that is cool and subtle and fun. One a certain level, we are doing far better than the guy who needed to say "I have a boat and a rolex" in order to feel like the girls see him in the way that he wants to be seen.

But at the same time, we have become dependent on personality conveyance being tacked onto the front of an interaction in order to feel comfortable. If we talk to a girl without the structured personality conveyance on the front end, we don’t feel comfortable. We feel naked and exposed. We feel dependent on the reaction of the woman to maintain the state boost that we gain from being a pimp and a player. And most importantly, WE IDENTIFY TYPICAL CHUMP TALK AS BEING CHUMPISH AND WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE TAKEN ON THE IDENTITY OF A CHUMP WHEN WE DO NOT ACTIVELY GAME. It is the same as when I first entered a relationship, and identified myself as a chump and my state crashed from there.

I don’t know about you guys, but I feel I need to have a PhD in psychobabble whenever I read TD’s posts nowadays.  In fact, I had to read this one a couple times to try to understand it properly.  I’m not sure I succeeded, but I think this is the gist of what he’s saying…

"Be a cool guy around women, and it doesn’t matter what you say."

All this mumbo-jumbo about "sub-communication" and "psychologically dependent" makes my eyes go cross.

It’s funny, because I was talking to a friend of mine who used to be, at least in my opinion, one of the best instructors in the community, and I actually talked to him about some of his old routines.  At some point, you get good enough and experienced enough with women to know that success in love has little to do with what you say and a lot to do with who you are (mostly because who you are dictates what you say and do).  This guy I was talking to and myself have gotten to a point where we don’t feel the need to use routines on women and don’t find it necessary to spin a bunch of pre-memorized material on targets, etc.  We just kind of flow and take opportunities as they present themselves.

But the funny thing is, at one time, both of us were all about the pre-scripted routines and material!  In a way, learning 103 memorized routines, or whatever, helped us to figure out that you don’t necessarily need to do that to get women.  It’s just an excuse to talk to them about something.

Personally, I believe that most guys have to go through a process of discovery where they learn pre-scripted stuff and get comfortable talking and interacting with women.  Kind-of like training wheels on a bike.  You’re learning how to be social!  Eventually, you reach a point where the training wheels aren’t necessary and you can go it alone.  You may fall down from time to time and hurt yourself, but that doesn’t mean you should put the training wheels back on, does it?

I do think there is a tendency for some to rely too much on routines.  But I personally see them as necessary, at least initially, for guys who need help learning how to be social and meet women in particular.

Another Fidentia Review

A guy who calls himself Phase sent in this Fidentia workshop review.  It reads as a pretty even-handed taked on a typical Fidentia workshop, so if anyone’s thinking of taking one with this crew, you may want to read it.

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1000th Post!!!

Well, it’s official.  As of this entry, I have published 1000 posts on this site.  WOW.  I have way too much free time on my hands.  =)

Seeing as how this is a bit of a milestone for the site, I just want to take this opportunity to thank all of you who visit the site and contribute with your comments.  It probably wouldn’t have gone on as long as it has without you.

A Lazy Man’s Guide To Getting A Girlfriend

Here’s an article from Fidentia’s Croatian Superstar Shark (aka Ranko Magami) which talks about how to get a girlfriend even if you’re lazy and have no willpower.  Keep in mind English isn’t Shark’s first language, so some parts might be an awkward read.

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Upcoming Seattle Mystery Method Workshop

This just in from the Mystery Camp…

Hey Seattle Guys,

DJ here with a special announcement just for you. DO YOU WANT TO IMPROVE YOUR SKILL TRANSITIONING FROM ATTRACTION INTO COMFORT AND GET MORE OF THE RESULTS YOU WANT? Of course you do. I can show you how, quickly and easily. Every time I do this program, guys stay in sets for long periods of time. Even after I’ve gone home.

I’m going to run a two-part Mystery Method specialty program in Seattle on Tuesday August 17th and Wednesday August 18th. This program is for both guys who have taken prior programs and guys just getting started. It is unique in the community and guides you towards a higher level refinement of two things:

1. How to open – You will actually role play opening skills in the classroom. By teaching guys to have natural conversations, we are breaking habits that you may not even know you have. Habits that might be blowing you out of set. Whether you are just getting started and need some confidence to approach or you’re an old pro opening everything in sight, you will benefit immensely from the exercises.
2. How to transition to rapport and convey your values to her. This is a “work from the inside out” workshop and contains inner game exercises not found anywhere else in the community.

Each component also includes an in-field workshop.

I am absolutely astonished at the feedback I am receiving for this workshop. This is a major key for guys who need to improve their ability to convey their unique personality. If you are interested in improving your game and your ability to captivate others, don’t miss this. I started this as an experiment and am astounded at the results and changes I see guys getting right before my eyes.

You will learn how to open anyone and convey your unique personality in any setting, whether it is a night venue, a library, an airport, the beach, or a coffee shop. You will also leave with the ability to develop and refine how you convey the most attractive aspects of who you are. Learn how to be natural and fascinating at the same time.

We’ll cover on Wednesday from 4pm to 9pm.  In field 10-12.

1.  The M3 Model. Mystery’s latest and greatest roadmap for every interaction with a woman. Learn how to understand where you are with this meta model and then you can seamlessly move forward through each step of the interaction.

2.  A1 Opening. You will learn and experience through role playing scenarios exactly how an opener should feel. DJ will cover 5 openers you will immediately use during the fieldwork following the seminar. Guys tell me this is one of the most useful exercises they’ve ever done as we cover everything from tonality, to shield responses, to body language. YOU WILL PERFECT YOUR OPENING SKILLS IN THE CLASSROOM BEFORE EVEN STEPPING FOOT IN THE FIELD AND YOU WILL ALSO EXPERIENCE WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE ON THE OTHER END. When we get in field, you will be able to open naturally and seamlessly without worrying about how to “Game.”

• How attraction and comfort are complementary forces that must be balanced and harmonized.
• A better mindset than the “sarging mentality.”
• Conversational flexibility and conversational arts.
• Different types of openers
• Proper body language
• Tonality
• How to be normal.
• How to interact rather than act and form a genuine connection.
• Experience an understanding of what it feels like to be on the other end of the conversation.
• The importance of a fun and friendly vibe that is genuine.
• Why putting on a show and being flashy can hurt your chances of going into comfort and a better way.
• Intensive feedback and personal coaching.

We’ll cover on Thursday from 4pm to 10pm. In field 11-1.

3.  A2 Attraction and C1 comfort building: DJ’s unique storytelling workshop which can’t be found anywhere else. You’ll learn how to develop and tell captivating DHV stories from your own experience. Attraction to comfort is perhaps the most important phase of the interaction. You will learn how to initiate and engage in a conversation with any woman anywhere.  We’ll work on stories and experiences from YOUR life that you can immediately use in set to convey your most attractive qualities. You will learn how to develop YOUR OWN material by using this particular template to develop and hone all of your own stories. Through a series of exercises and intensive personal and group feedback, you will learn how to connect with your core values and how to find your own personal experiences that convey who you are to her. You will learn both an attraction and comfort transition version of how to convey your story, whether it be your life story or just a funny experience…And you will take home a model to use to refine all of your own material.   

• Why the middle way is both more difficult yet way more effective than either extreme
• Understand her model of the world – the difference between self esteem (How she relates to herself) and sexual confidence (How she relates to the world)
• Finding happiness vs temporary moments of pleasure.
• Personal goal setting
• Discover and understand your inner values and what’s really important “Who are you?”
• Learn to tweak “How you are” to reflect who you are and still be attractive.
• The importance of building a solid, creative, flexible and happy life as a foundation for interacting with women.
• What qualities/virtues in a man are attractive to women.
• Why you already have an interesting life.
• Understanding how experiences you’ve already had can be a vehicle to convey who you are as well as your most attractive characteristics
• The elements of a good story
• Exercises to polish your story
• Emotional hook words, pauses, and tonality.
• Creating the perfect ending for your story. 5 different ways.
• Multiple threading.
• How to be captivating.
• How getting too tightly attached to views can hold us back from improvement. Don’t believe everything you think.

Both nights include:

In-field experience. You will be given a chance to go into the field to a laid back venue where your sets will open and you can get into and stay in sets.

The inner frame of “I am a man who comfortable enough to present who I am to the world confidently,” differentiating self esteem and sexual confidence, and a deeper understanding of attraction and comfort.

The in-field part will give you a chance to play with some of the stuff that we explore at the seminar and receive feedback.

Each component includes a 2 hour in field portion. For best results, I recommend taking both pieces and that’s why I’m offering a big discount for full program.

Wednesday “Everything you need to start a conversation/refining opening skills intensive” program: $300

Thursday “Learning how to convey who you are and transitioning to rapport through storytelling” Program $400

Take both for $500!

What others are saying after this program in Montreal, Canada:

DJs conversation workshop was, in my opinion, one of the pivotal elements that helped bring all my talents together. I’ve already had quite some experience before his workshop, but now with the formula and exercises we’ve run through, my confidence in ALL my interactions has gone WAY up. Its unlike ANYTHING there is out there, I’m certain (I’ve done my research) I  believe that being a natural conversationalist and storytellers is one of  the most important elements in empowering ourselves to move forward in life. 

The workshop on openers was a pleasant and unexpected surprise, because I’ve seen almost all the openers out there but now this allows us to convey and align them with an added perspective. Its about congruence, awareness and added structure to the game. 

DJ, I gotta give you a big ass thanx for this wisdom you’ve been able to revolutionize our lives with. Cheers, 

L. Brown – Montreal, QC

Raleigh, North Carolina:

For all that missed it yesterday, DJ’s Mystery Method seminar was great!  High energy and with a lot of practice and role playing.  I personally got a lot out of it.  Thanks DJ for the great tips on story-telling.

I got I out of that mini-seminar last night. Like I was mentioning, I think that part of my problem with approach anxiety is not knowing what to say. Now that I have the formula for creating some killer stories, that shouldn’t be much of a problem anymore. I’ve already enlisted the services of my HB8.5 friend to do the exercise that we did last night on some of my other stories.

I want to thank DJ for the awesome seminar and fieldwork. It was a slow night but we were still able to get sets and watching DJ in set was amazing, he was able to re-open sets that I thought were long gone.  I’ll never forget how he gamed these 2 young, drunk girls at the pizza place after the set died on us with the girls saying they had to go to the bathroom and he was tired as hell and didn’t want to do it, yet he still owned them to show us what’s possible!

And from the Miami seminar:

I only took the mini-workshop on Monday, but that small part was very enlightening. DJ was a really good instructor, that wasn’t focused strictly on nightclub game; which was a relief, because these skills should prepare you for the 95% of your life that you don’t spend in a nightclub.  He showed us how we should be using stories to (subtly and not-so-subtly) convey things about ourselves.  The concept isn’t new or groundbreaking  but he was able to present it in a clear manner that makes it seem so obvious, that you want to slap yourself for not having been able to put it together.

I was shocked that this (judging by the reactions of the workshop people who attended that night) went beyond what was covered in the weekend bootcamp workshop.

EMAIL ME ASAP IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. dj@mysterymethod.com

For more about me, read my bio on the Mystery Method “Bios” page.

Thanks guys!

DJ

So I guess Mystery won’t be at this one at all?  Looks like Mystery might be taking more of a backseat in his business now and let others do the bulk of the teaching.  I don’t think this is necessarily a bad thing, since Mystery Method can be taught by pretty much anyone who understands the concepts behind it.  But still, if I were taking a Mystery Method workshop, I think I’d want Mystery to be there (of course, I may just be old school like that).

A Terrible Mistake That’s Keeping You From Success With Women

Hi everyone,

I hope you’re all doing well.  Lately, I’ve been having a great time. 
It can be easy to get so worked up over normal, every day things –
like work, school, relationships, etc. — that it’s nice to every once
and a while take a step back and unwind.

That’s what I’ve been doing lately.

And it’s been a great reminder to me that we shouldn’t be taking life so seriously all the time.

In fact, being able to kick back like this is a key factor in being successful in life — AND with women!

Allow me to explain.

Fun is an important factor in being successful.  You have to actually
ENJOY the journey you’re taking if you want to achieve your goals in
life.

For instance, if you want to be a pro golfer, but you HATE golfing, do
you think you’re going to stick to your goal?  Or will you look for
something more satisfying for you?

I’m willing to bet the answer to that is YES.

The same is true of meeting women.

If you want to have a beautiful girlfriend/wife/whatever, but you HATE
the process of meeting women, are you really going to end up getting
what you want?

I’m willing to bet the answer to that is NO.

I get emails on a daily basis from guys lamenting about how much they
want to have a wonderful woman in their lives, but they always add to
that "But I hate going to bars, clubs, bookstores, gas stations, public
places, anywhere with actual living humans, etc.  What can I do?"

I think some guys would just prefer to sit at home and look at naughty
pictures of women on the internet than actually go out and meet real
girls.

This is because they don’t know how to make meeting women FUN.

And let’s face it, if this is a chore, then you’re not going to want to do it, right?

So let’s role up our sleeves and get our hands dirty, because I want to
tell you how to make meeting women something you actually can ENJOY
doing as opposed to making it something you HATE doing and are
reluctant to pursue.

The first thing I want you to think about is what kind of a woman it is
that you want.  What does she like?  What is she interested in?  What
does she look like?  The more you know about the woman you want, the
easier it will be to filter out all the girls you DON’T want. 

Remember, the narrower your search, the more happy you’ll be with the results you get.

The second thing I want you to think about is where you can meet the
kind of woman you want.  Make a list of all the places you can think of
where a woman who’s interested in the kind of things you want her to be
would go.

For instance, let’s say you want a girl who loves baseball.  Where
would girls who love baseball go?  Just off the top of my head, here’s
a list:

1. Major League Baseball Games
2. Minor League Baseball Games
3. Little League Baseball Games
4. Sports Bars On Game Day
5. Sporting Goods Stores
6. Baseball Conventions

The list could go on, but you get the idea.  So if you love baseball,
and you want a woman who loves baseball — GO TO A BASEBALL GAME!  And
while you’re there, meet the women who are there too!  Use the other
qualities you’re looking for in a girl to pick and choose which women
you want to meet.

At the very least, you’re doing something you enjoy anyway, so you’re going to have fun no matter what!

But if you’re still wondering what to do once you actually have to MEET
a woman, you need to check out my book The Art Of Approaching.

In it, I’ll take you step-by-step through the process of how to meet
the women you want, quickly and easily, with no fear of rejection or
failure.  If you haven’t already gotten my book and read it
cover-to-cover, you owe it to yourself to do so now:

Click Here To Get Your Copy Of The Art Of Approaching Today.

And remember, no matter what, figure out how to have fun and enjoy the
process of meeting women!  You’ll get much better results if you do.

Wishing you success,

Thundercat

Cliff’s List Seminar Report, Part II

Okay, the next part of the report is here!  I was mistaken in my last post, it looks like this is going to be a 3-part report, so there’s still one more to go.  Part II covers people like Mystery, Bishop, Toecutter, and Juggler.  It looks like the last part will deal with David Shade, Zan, David D, and Style (the most powerful of the Jedi).  Stay tuned!!!

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Jessica Simpson in The Dukes Of Hazzard

I used to watch The Dukes Of Hazzard when I was a kid (a really, really little kid!).  I loved car chases then, and I love them even more now.  I can remember I even used to have one of those electric Dukes Of Hazzard race tracks (you know, the kind where you put a little car on a track, plug it in, push a button, and watch the car run the track until it falls off?), so I’ve been a fan for a while.  So when I saw they were making a movie of it, I was really excited!  But the first question that sprung to my mind was "Who are they gonna get to play Daisy Duke?"

Well, they cast Jessica Simpson.  I never watched any of the Newlyweds shows on MTV, and I was never a big fan of her music, so I didn’t know much about her other than the fact that she’s H-O-T!  But after seeing the trailer for this movie, I was really excited, because it not only seems like she can act, it also seems like she perfectly captured the pure sexuality of the character.

I’m looking forward to seeing The Dukes Of Hazard today, it looks like it’ll be a really fun movie!  It’s directed by one of the guys who made the movie Super Troopers (which is a funny movie too, if you haven’t seen it yet), not to mention some episodes of Arrested Development (one of the funniest shows ever to grace television, in my opinion), so it should be good.

Post any reviews of The Dukes of Hazzard to this thread! (And enjoy the Jessica Simpson Pictures!)

Stupid Girls Itching (And Other Great SPAM Emails)

I don’t know about you guys, but I get literally HUNDREDS of SPAM emails every day, and I must admit, despite the annoyingness (is that even a word?) of the junk email I get, some of the titles I see in my SPAM folder can get pretty entertaining.

I think my favorite spam headline so far was this email I got recently with the title "Stupid Girls Itching."  I laughed when I saw it and just HAD to open it up.  Of course, it was a pitch for some bizzar german sex site written in very poor english, but the title was just gold in the humor department, I thought.

Since then, I’ve gotten a few more SPAM headline favorites.  Most recently, there was "Watch dumb european women work hard for my proposal" and then the ever charming "She feels son into her."  *shudder*  (I wonder who they think this stuff appeals to?)

Anyway, I guess the point of this post is I’m wondering if you guys have any great/funny SPAM headlines you’ve come across?  Post them in this thread, they should be worth a laugh or two.  =)

Cliff’s List Seminar Report, Part I

Here is part 1 (of 2) of the Cliff’s List Seminar Report.  Special thanks to Senior Lucas for writing this up.  Part 2 will be up tomorrow.

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Real PUA on ABC’s “Hooking Up?”

Apparently there’s a show on ABC called "Hooking Up," which is about Internet Dating.  Money Matteo says there’s a friend of his on there who’s a natural pick-up artist.  Here’s the latest:

Money_Matteo writes:
One of my
favorite natural-gaming buddies, Debonair Dave, from the NYC-Lair is
currently being featured on the ABC primetime series Hooking-Up. They
did a great job of capturing natural-game from Meet to Lay and his
Post-Lay management.. one disclaimer. it is a show covering
‘online-dating’ so there is no approach to speak of.

There’s a lot to learn from this kid and it comes up in the show, especially from his concentrated DHVs..

You can download the episodes here.

He makes his first appearance in episode 2.

From some of the quotes Money Matteo posts in his thread, it certainly seems like this might be worth checking out.  And if you don’t know what bittorrents are, go here.

Meeting Women By Being “Wedding Crashers”

If you haven’t seen the movie "Wedding Crashers" starring Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughn (and you really should, it’s a very funny movie), it’s about two guys who crash weddings to prey on women who are high off the romance of seeing their friend/loved one get married.  Apparently, crashing weddings is very fun and includes a great deal of dancing, eating, and drinking before whisking some unsuspecting bridesmade off to the closest hotel room.

Now, obviously this is just a movie and a work of fiction, but knowing how horney guys are typically, you know that half the men who go to see this movie are thinking "Hey, I wonder if this could work?"  Personally, I feel that crashing weddings is a very dumb thing to do, and if you get caught, it’s not just a bad thing for you, but you are contributing to ruining someone’s ACTUAL wedding.  But a guy named Supermania over on mASF has some ideas on how crashing weddings might actually work.

Supermania writes:
I think that by arriving after the food and speeches – when the bars
have opened up, and the dance floor is buzzing, and people are hopping
from one table to another – you circumvent the need to be identified
and "seated".

If you arrived at the beginning when people were first arriving and
being seated, then you may need to produce an invitation, or at least
be more identifying. That’s where you could get fucked up.

As far as answering questions as to who you are, I would avoid
answering as family. You’re right that most people would know of people
in their own family, and that could lead to problems. Not to mention
you could paint yourself into a corner with HB’s (ie: incest).  I would stick with "a close friend of Bill’s" or something to that effect.

It would of course be best to lose yourself in a crowd at a huge wedding, and avoid the small ones, for obvious reasons.

These are untested assumptions, based on common-sense brainstorming.
I’m still interested to hear any real-life experiences of actual
"wedding crashers" out there. Good and bad.

I’d just like to say to any guy out there contemplating crashing a wedding:  DON’T DO IT.  There are plenty of ways to meet women other than doing this.  But if you have crashed a wedding in the past, please be sure to relate your experiences here, because I’d like to know how it turned out.

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