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Word has it that Real Social Dynamics has just lost a lawsuit with a dissatisfied customer.

I don’t know all the details about what went down, but I did find this from the Rip-Off Report which details some of the specifics. 

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MINE’99 Is Off His Nut

Here’s the latest from MINE’99 in his fued with… well, pretty much the whole community.  If you thought he wasn’t quite playing with a full deck before, wait until you read this one…

MINE’99 writes:
I built the seduction community. I can take it  down now any time I choose.

Mark my words. I’m going to set this whole fucker free.

Those who profit from my genius..beware.

"Now I truly control the worm AND the spice..and I have the power to DESTROY THE SPICE FOREVER"…..Mu’adib

Now, either MINE’99 plans to destroy every woman on the planet in some Dr. Evil-type scheme to wipe out seduction forever, or he’s just gone crazy.  I’m talking completely, uttery, off-his-rocker crazy.

Personally, I think he’s been spending too much time alone with his cats.

MINE’99 Is Off His Nut

Here’s the latest from MINE’99 in his fued with… well, pretty much the whole community.  If you thought he wasn’t quite playing with a full deck before, wait until you read this one…

MINE’99 writes:
I built the seduction community. I can take it  down now any time I choose.

Mark my words. I’m going to set this whole fucker free.

Those who profit from my genius..beware.

"Now I truly control the worm AND the spice..and I have the power to DESTROY THE SPICE FOREVER"…..Mu’adib

Now, either MINE’99 plans to destroy every woman on the planet in some Dr. Evil-type scheme to wipe out seduction forever, or he’s just gone crazy.  I’m talking completely, uttery, off-his-rocker crazy.

Personally, I think he’s been spending too much time alone with his cats.

Naming Contest

Dimitri over at Rapid Social Impact asked me to post this because he needs your help!

Gentlemen,

We’ve had more success than Vincent and I could have ever imagined. And for that, my friends, I offer my thanks.

When
we started a few months ago, we knew we had a complete solution that
wasn’t being offered. But the success we’ve had is unimaginable.

Wow.
At this point, we’re looking to brand ourselves and as such, we are
accepting suggestions for a new company name. We’ll be changing it
pretty soon to reflect exactly what we do and how powerful our product
is.

As such, I’ve opened this to submissions from the board.
If you want to enter, email a suggested name to
namecontest@rapidsocialimpact.com. If your suggestion is taken, you’ll
receive a free bootcamp in Boston. Finalists will receive 25% off any
program.

Thanks again for all the love and support. All the best to all of
you.

Dimitri
http://www.rapidsocialimpact.com

My vote goes to anything without words starting with "R" or "S" in the title.  =)

Mystery Method News

Mystery has some really innovative programs coming up this month.  Here’s the latest from the Mystery camp:

June 18 – Beginner Attraction Magic – Vegas
June 19 – Strippers – Vegas
Aug 18 – 21 – Advanced Program – Vegas

These are amazing programs and will REALLY improve your game. This is the first time that the advanced program is being offered to anyone outside of the Mystery Method instructors. If you’re already getting impressive results, this program will make your game exceptional. Here is some feedback from the last Strippers and Magic programs.

" The night of the Strippers program was awesome!!! I opened one set and got blown out, then Mystery pointed out what I was doing wrong.  After that the next girl I opened ended up buying me breakfast and then taking me home at 6 A.M. Thanks Mystery you rule!!!!
A.F Michigan

"After taking Mystery’s Magic program I can’t recommend it highly enough! Just last night I went out and using the sugar packet trick had a whole restaurant in awe! I ended up leaving with three of the hottest girls numbers,and they all want to know how I did it."
J.B San Diego

These programs will fill up fast so head over to www.MysteryMethod.com and sign up.

All of these are being taught by Mystery personally, in Las Vegas.  From what I understand, regular price for these programs is $850 per person, but if you’re a member of SeductionLair.com, you get $50 off!

Also worth mentioning:

Mystery is holding a workshop in conjunction with the upcoming DYD seminar here in Los Angeles on June 24, 25, and 26.  Cost will be $700 per night, but again, if you’re a SeductionLair.com subscriber, you can save $300 with your discount, so it’ll only be $600 per night.

The Freedom To Exist

Cameron, from Fidentia.org, sent me this article he wanted all you to read.

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This article will seem like just good old plain common sense. Yet, nobody in the community is really addressing it and I know it is a problem for most men.

I know it is a problem because I teach workshop/seminars a couple of times a month and I see it first hand and it’s advice that can save you a lot of time and wasted energy.

If you are beginning your journey into the community, I’ll modestly say that this is one of the most important things you’ll read.

Some of you have goals and objectives while learning this “Game.” Others just take it one day at a time.

If you are going to set objectives in this game, make sure at the very top is the freedom to exist.

Well, what the heck does that mean?

It means if you are going to set up goals for yourself, your eventual goal is to believe so strongly in yourself that you can walk up to anyone and be comfortable.

Sounds simple, doesn’t it? And yet, it is so difficult.

This is not a goal that is achieved over night. It takes time and effort and you must work towards it. I have met and winged with some of the best of the best as far as this community is concerned, and I can tell you that even a lot of those guys haven’t achieved this. 

Why is this so?

Let’s backtrack a little bit. Sometime last year, my partner, Ranko AKA Shark, started to popularize the direct “I like you opener.” He was criticized and insulted to no end and

Even when it appeared that everything he was saying was accurate, his critics never acknowledged him.

The reason for this is two fold:

A. Some guys in the community are insecure to the point that they can never give credit to anyone for they think it will diminish their guru status.

B. Some guys still do not get it!

These same critics who still do not get it, refer to “Direct game” as a tool. These critics claim that “Direct is a good tool to carry.” In fact, they refer to everything as a “Tool.”

Here is what I want you to understand:

DIRECT IS NOT ABOUT THE OPENER! IT’S ABOUT A MENTALITY!

The direct style is about a state of self-belief not often found in community PUAs regardless of how much success they have achieved.

Lacking these internal belief structure, the PUA will often resort to looking at things through a different lens. He looks at everything through the frame of techniques and tactics, henceforth completely missing the point regarding the self-belief.

I recently heard an incredibly well known PUA on this board label direct as a “Frame Control” Trick. This indicates that to this person, everything is still a technique, not an organic and natural process.

To truly not give a shit and have such a strong self-image to approach anyone is not a trick. It is not a tactic.

It comes from the power of belief and it comes from a deeper place.

It takes time to get there. It helps if you realize what it is you should be focusing on.

You go in with the mentality that “I do NOT need to resort to trickery and tactics” in order to get a chick.

I am not saying that “Tools” are bad in general. There are some tools that are useful at some point.

However, to be able to just be present and a relaxed cool individual is to be able to free yourself of constantly reaching inside your bag of tools.

Even the tools are not tools. I’ll explain:

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Take Back Your Power With Women

Senior Fingers (not to be confused with MR. Fingers), has this post up about how society skews our views of romance and relationships, and what we can do to fix that.

Senior Fingers writes:
After all the
analyzation of Social Distortion, the Feminization of Man and the
perceived power struggle of the sexes, I finally realized something…

Many of us are giving our power away to external influences and are left with none for ourselves.

Society

Our favorite scapegoat of all time. This is the classic bleeding heart logic at work…

"Oh its not HIS fault he murdered a small village..he was a troubled youth and is clinically insane..SOCIETY made him this way"

Or in most of the cases here…..

"Its not my fault I am intimidated by women. I was raised AFC! Society is fuct up!"

Well, its no secret we havent achieved utopia yet. But you will get no
closer to your goals by playing the Blame Game. Its one thing to
understand the root of your dysfunction and another to accept
responsibilty for it.

A brief tale to illustrate my point…

I used to run into this beggar on the subway all the time. I felt
really bad for him because he was about my age and only had one leg.
Whenever I saw him, I would give him whatever loose change I had. This
made me feel good, knowing that I had helped someone who was relatively
helpless. For months it was like this until one day everything changed.

I was walking down Houston street (one of the busiest intersections of
NYC) and saw this crazy messenger weaving in and out of traffic on his
bike and pulling some kamikazee manuevers. As a cyclist, I could
appreciate his skill and walked to the corner to get a better view of
this daredevil.

Well, much to my surprise, this guy was alot older than I though. His
grey beard indicated a man of middle age. Upon closer inspection I
couldnt believe what I saw. Yup, homeboy had ONE LEG! I had trremendous
respect for this man and will never forget him. You can guess what
happened next time I saw that bum on the subway. I didnt give him a
dime because I realized he wasnt as helpless as I had thought.

One man used his disability as an excuse to fail, another used it as a challenge to succeed. The difference is astronomical!

Nationalities and Generalizations

"Asian Chicks are the best!" "White Chicks are whГіres!" "English girls are cold!" "Stay away from black girls!!"

Yet again, more excuses.

"Its not really me, it is HER…damn these green-eyed/redheaded/etc girls!!"

It is much easier to blame our failures on a womans nationality, race
or appearance than to face the fact that we might be doing something
wrong.

Playing the victim will get you no closer to victory!

Brainwashing and the Media

"Feminists have taken over TV and film! Men are
being portrayed more and more weak and submissive! We are trapped in
the Matrix! Oh Noooo!"

What a load of BS! If you dont like what you see, then do what I did
and turn off your TV and stop whining. Personally I cant stand
television precisely because it is a parasite of my personal power. Why
spend time sitting in a pool of drool, thinking the exact same thoughts
as everyone else, when I could be writing a song or going for a run?
(Hell, I find that I enjoy chatting with you guys more than watching
these sh!tcoms anyday!)

The media is not doing a damn thing to you. It is YOU who are allowing
yourself to be influenced! Take responsibility for how you spend your
time and if you find yourself doing something that you feels is
weakening you on a subconscious level, then stop it! (duh!)

Women and Seduction

"Women have all the power! They use their sexuality as leverage in a nefarious power struggle against men!"

Wrong wrong wrong. People only have as much power over you as you give
them. Of course there are women who use their beauty to manipulate, but
what does this have to do with YOU?

Seduction is not a war against women. It really is more of a dance than
a competition. If there is any struggle involved, it is a battle for
empowerment within YOURSELF. Treating women like the enemy whose
defenses you must destroy will not get you very far!

Instead of thinking of this as a battle for power and dominance, think
of it as an opportunity to display your great personality and
confidence in order to genuinely connect with another human being.
Often times the straightforward approach is best.

Having said that, personally I have not had much luck just walking up
to girls and simply asking them out. (Unless there are some serious
signals, EC ,etc) Usually, I give them a reason (aside from my good looks) to WANT to go out with me.

This means being comfortable in my own skin, making entertaining
conversation and after displaying that I am a fun and interesting
person, I go precisely after what I want, (be it the digits or an
InstaDate)

At the end of the day this is a GIRL we are talking about here, not a trained soldier you must defeat!

Instead of giving women all the power, your attitude should be "Yeah
you are cute, but else you got going for ya?" In fact the whole purpose
of you asking her out is to screen her to see if she is worthy of YOU.
Not the other way around.

So often we fukk up by becoming starstruck and impressed by the fact
that a girl was born with good genes. Once again we give our power
away, this time to the random couplings of chromosomes!

Conclusion

Stop making excuses for yourself. Life is not fair and we all have to
play our best with the hand we are dealt. No sense in crying over a
lousy hand when you can simply make the most of it. You have much more
power than you probably give yourself credit for!

So whats it gonna be?

Are you the man who overcomes the obstacles and makes sh!t happen?
Or are you the chump who underestimates himself and makes excuses?

The most empowering fact of all is that the choice is yours, my friend.

Carpe diem.

I think the point Senior Fingers touches on here is a really powerful one.  It reminds me of that Doors lyric "People are strange, when you’re a stranger, faces look ugly, when you’re alone. Women seem wicked, when you’re unwanted, streets are lonely when you are gone."  Its tempting to resent that which you don’t have as a way of trying to make yourself feel better for not having it, so a lot of guys who feel they can’t get women end up hating women to try and justify not having one in their life.

And when they do break out of that mindset, they look at getting a woman as a task, something they have to do — an adversary they have to conquor.  I think what Senior Fingers said about seduction being more of a dance is actually quite true, because the woman you’re with has to be a part of the the process instead of just a cog in the machine.

What To Do When A Girl Just Wants To Be Friends…

Mr. Fingers, over on the Don Juan Discussions boards, has a very good post up about "Escaping The Friends Zone."

Mr. Fingers writes:
I was talking to a
friend of mine recently and she made me realize a skill that I possess
that I am totally unaware of. We were talking about past relationships
and she pointed out how many friends I have converted into lovers. Not
just any friends either…CLOSE friends! Apparently I am a FriendZone
Escape Artist!

A few weeks after this eye-opening convo, I got to see myself in action
again, but with a more trained perspective. An ex-girl of mine came to
visit me from overseas.

A little background info on her:
Before we had ever even kissed, we were best friends for years and
ended up in a very intense love affair after she confessed her true
feelings to me. It all ended a few years later cuz I was still a chump
back then…but thats a whole other thread.

Well, long story short, this time we ended up seducing each other AGAIN
even though she had a boyfriend back home. I didn’t even TRY to hook up
with this girl. In fact, I RESISTED my urges in an effort to be the
good guy. But finally, we both caved.

I started to really see the things I do subconsciously that gets my lady friends horny for me.

I hope this revelation helps some of you guys out…

Before we begin I want you to read and absorb

THE GOLDEN RULE ABOVE ALL RULES

Never, EVER, express you feelings directly. Don’t tell her that you see
her as more than a friend. It just does not work like this. The only
way you make the change is by HER confessing her feelings for you, or
you taking the initiative and kissing her like it was some crazy
accident of passion.

Now obviously, there are a few things you must communicate to her before this can happen:

(1) You don’t need her.
(2) You find her attractive but she has competition.
(3) You have high standards
(4) You are a sexual/sensual being
(5) You understand the value of sex with a connection
(6) You are physically affectionate
(7) You give conflicting messages that hint at your desire.
(8) You don’t let flings ruin friendships

(1) You don’t need her.
Dont be so readily available. Have enough going on in your life that NO
girl is a priority. Pursue your dreams, hobbies, etc so your focus is
mainly on yourself. This gives you a perfectly legitimate excuse to
flake on her ass once in a while and then "Make it up to her" by taking
her out and showing her the time of her life. It is also crucial to
have other prospects going on in order to kill any subliminal
desperation you might be projecting onto her.

(2) You find her attractive but she has competition.
Start noticing other attractive girls when you are with her and
commenting on it "Damn, she is fine!" Stare other girls down and become
distracted till your "pal" starts to get a little miffed.

Tell her not to get her panties in a twist because she is also totally hot and she knows it.

Its okay to compliment her like this when it is balanced by your
wandering eye. It also communicates that you find her attractive, but
in a very detached way.

She might try to flip it on ya and talk about other guys but dont let
it faze you. Take interest in it and find out what attracts her most
about guys. Needless to say, this should be an interesting convo!

(3) You have high standards
Talk about the things you require in a woman. This is a subtle way of
qualifying her. Tell her how you once thought that the key to happiness
was being able to approach any girl and hookup at anytime. But after
you finally overcame your fears and was able to hook up consistently,
you realized how many women just dont meet your standards.
(intelligent, funny, knows how to cook, whatever)

Let this conversation build and get her to talk about what makes a
great boyfriend. Listen to her and give her feedback as this convo
unfolds. She will probably have a lot to say.

Let that convo fizzle out and then talk about one of your past flings
where the girl seemed perfect for you in every way (really build this
up “this girl cooked, gave massages and even loved basketball! She was
the bomb!”) except she was a TERRIBLE lover. This will build curiosity
and of course she will ask why this girl was so bad in the sack. This
leads smoothly into…

(4) You are a sexual/sensual being
Talk about sex. Mention things that you like done to you but most girls
are not keen on. Talk about it like it is as casual as a convo about
the weather. Just be comfortable letting her see your sexual side,
because she IS your friend after all (if she cant handle this topic,
then this should strike you as a MAJOR red flag, this girl has issues
and you are better off moving on.)

Contrast your previous story of frustration with a tale of a girl who
knew EXACTLY how to please you and what she did that was so great. Once
you tell her a little bit about what you like, close up a little and
act somewhat apprehensive. Say “Heyyy, this is not fair! Here I am
giving you the inside scoop and getting nothing in return!” Prod her
for a few sexual details… what her favorite position is…. what gives
her the most powerful orgasm….who was her best lay and why.

If she gets suspicious or uncomfortable, tell her that if she was
really your friend sheВґd give you some killer tips and how its good
karma because one day some lucky girl will thank her.

WARNING: Talk about sex but dont get hung up on it or you will seem
like a perv. Let the convos flow naturally by guaging her reactions. As
soon as you feel the convo fizzling out, change the subject to
something else. Its much better to leave her wanting more sex talk than
to overdo it! If done right, this convo will be a recurring topic of
conversation. When it does come up again…

(5) You understand the value of sex with a connection
Talk about the difference between animal sex and spiritual love making.
How the spiritual thing is so much more intense and beautiful when you
really connect with someone. Anchor your earlier story as if it’s a
revelation and say “Hmmm , maybe that’s another reason that girl rocked
my world. We were actually good friends before anything happened.” And
so the seed is planted…muahahahahhaaa!!

(6) You are physically affectionate.
After building up the sexual tension, toss a little innocent KINO in
the mix. Comment on her jewelry and touch her. If it’s a ring hold her
hand and admire it then let her hand go with a slow slide. If its an
earring, let the backs of your fingers grace her cheek. DO NOT GROPE
HER! Think of this physical contact as subtle displays of tenderness.

Also when you hug her, make it count! I have gotten many compliments on
my hugs from all my girlfriends because I do it with all my heart. I
love to wrap my arms all the way around them so they feel all enclosed
and protected, then I squeeze them tight (not too tight there killer)
and give them a hundred little kisses on the cheek in the same spot.

Sometimes I like to tell them I am having a crap day and am in need of
a real hug…not the fake kind that people give out like loose change,
but a REAL HUG where I can proceed to bury my jawline in the crook of
her neck and get full body contact. Girls are emotional, mushy
creatures and they LOVE this stuff!

(7) You give conflicting messages that hint at your desire.
Tell her how special she is and you wish more girls were as cool as her
and you are glad that you guys are pals. Then tell her she smells
really nice and get close to her neck for a closer whiff and ask what
perfume she is wearing.

Joke around and say that she MUST NOT wear this perfume around you
anymore because it drives you crazy and just might “ruin” your
friendship. Say this in half-jest “Keep wearing that perfume and I just
might attack you someday!” If she continues to wear this dangerous
scent in the future, consider it a HUGE indicator of her interest.
(translation: she WANTS you!)

(8) You don’t let flings ruin friendships
Reassurance. At some point mention how you are still friends with most
of your ex’s because you think it’s a waste of time and energy to just
write off the people who played such powerful roles in your life. Girls
always agree with me when I say this. It also helps alleviate her fear
of jeopardizing the friendship if she acts on her desires. This is your
loophole for managing her expectations in case things don’t work out.

****************And thats pretty much it.

Above all, the real deal-sealer here is your detachment. This technique
doesn’t work on all girls obviously. But if you keep your vibe open
like this, conveying your sexuality, not caring if she feels the same
etc. one of them is bound to bite! I can honestly say my success rate
is 100%. I have never been rejected by a friend. This is because I turn
them into the pursuers and actually “resist” their advances with my
conflicting messages (It would never work between us….damn your skin is
so soft!).

Sometimes it takes a while..could be days, weeks or even months …it all
depends on her emotional state at the time. But eventually the flirting
gets more intense and I can just TELL when she is ready. She will start
touching me more often and calling me "cutie" or "baby" It all
escalates until the final Moment of Truth.

Usually we are in the middle of one of my famous hugs when I sort of
nuzzle her neck with my chin and make her giggle. Then I nuzzle her
cheek to cheek. Then I pull my head back, still hugging her and look
her in the eyes. If she returns this intense gaze without getting
weirded out, this is my signal she is ready…so I slowly close in for
our first kiss!

Once the iron is hot I strike and let me tell you, there are few things
more passionate and gratifying than that first forbidden encounter
between two friends.

Now before you rush off to try this exciting escape, keep in mind that
there are girls who will never see you as anything but their
good-natured little brother. Don’t write these chicks off! They not
only provide you with excellent social proof when you go out together,
but they have access to an intimate circle of friends who are as hot,
if not hotter than they are.

Also it is nice to have a few platonic girls you can genuinely enjoy
and yes, even cuddle with and just leave it at that. I have quite a few
friends who want to cross the line but I don’t let them because I know
for me it will be a fling but for them it will be love, no matter what
they say and I honestly value their friendship too much.

DISCLAIMER: Use these tools wisely! The
last thing you want to do is mess up a great friendship, so decide if
you really want to go the extra mile with this girl and if she can even
handle this without destroying what you have both worked to build over
time.

Always remember the Golden Rule and also the most sacred rule of them all.

Its called Game because its supposed to be fun!

I am going out now to have a fukking blast with a few friends. I hope you will join me as I sign off…

Best of Luck to all my fellow Escape Artists!

Excellent post in my opinion.  If you want to turn a friend into lover, you may want to memorize this one.  =)

Cliff’s List SEMINAR NEWS

Great news on the Cliff’s List Seminar Front:

You can now pay for the seminar in 4 installments!  That makes it much easier to afford.  Click here for details.

Cliff has extended this offer until June 14th.

The latest addition to the list of attendees is Jason of Make Out Mastery Fame. 

Here’s the latest from Cliff himself:

There are other special surprise guest speakers that are hopefully soon going to be confirmed.  A couple of them have never appeared before at a seminar or similar event, and their presence will be news in and of itself.  One of them is tentatively confirmed, the others…still waiting.

The other big news is that the seminar DVDs are now going to be produced in cooperation with David DeAngelo who is bringing his team in to film the event.  David D will be personally involved in the production and marketing of the DVDs.  This will provide the guests and guest speakers with tremendous exposure for their products.

CONTENT OF THE SEMINAR:
All of the speakers have not yet provided their topics.  Some that have are as follows and some have given a couple of ideas (so the following is subject to change): 

• Bishop’s topic is "Know where you ARE, so you know where to GO in seduction" and/or "Where are you?" A guide to eliminating those known and unknown obstacles that might be getting in the way of you having seduction success. 
• Steve Piccus may be speaking on Would you Date yourself? and/or Working your Complementary Opposites for improving your inner game. 
• David DeAngelo said that he was going to share some of the advanced stuff that he hasn’t put out elsewhere before. 
• Patty Contenta may do a joint presentation with Doc on body language. 
• Sinn may do a run down of the 13 phase Mystery Method model and the 5 archetypes, but this will depend on whether Mystery speaks and what he chooses as his topic.
• The One is considering these topics: Belief and mentality of a man who is successful in att racting women, Seeing the Matrix or The 5 Attributes of a Charismatic man who is successful with women. 
• Style’s topic may be "Beyond the Approach — How to Keep a Woman." 
• Sensei’s topic will be "Kino: The Power of a Gentle Touch".
• Dr Alex Benzer aka Dr Tao will talk about beliefs, doing some seriously mind-altering drills, and talking about some techniques. 

Given that there will be some of the greatest experts in threesomes in the world attending there is a strong likelihood that there will be a panel discussion on that.

There are going to be some interesting bonuses as well – one guy who won’t be attending will be doing a conference call (which will only be available to attendees) after the seminar where he will be sharing some new material and this will be recorded onto a CD.  The seminar is going to be packed with information – the main emphasis of Cliff’s List is to nail down what creates attraction and how to "get it", how to really get that understanding that makes the difference between success and failure, and speakers are encouraged to focus in that direction.

This is shaping up to be a fantastic seminar!  I’d recommend you sign up now before all the spaces are gone.

Cliff’s List SEMINAR NEWS

Great news on the Cliff’s List Seminar Front:

You can now pay for the seminar in 4 installments!  That makes it much easier to afford.  Click here for details.

Cliff has extended this offer until June 14th.

The latest addition to the list of attendees is Jason of Make Out Mastery Fame. 

Here’s the latest from Cliff himself:

There are other special surprise guest speakers that are hopefully soon going to be confirmed.  A couple of them have never appeared before at a seminar or similar event, and their presence will be news in and of itself.  One of them is tentatively confirmed, the others…still waiting.

The other big news is that the seminar DVDs are now going to be produced in cooperation with David DeAngelo who is bringing his team in to film the event.  David D will be personally involved in the production and marketing of the DVDs.  This will provide the guests and guest speakers with tremendous exposure for their products.

CONTENT OF THE SEMINAR:
All of the speakers have not yet provided their topics.  Some that have are as follows and some have given a couple of ideas (so the following is subject to change): 

• Bishop’s topic is "Know where you ARE, so you know where to GO in seduction" and/or "Where are you?" A guide to eliminating those known and unknown obstacles that might be getting in the way of you having seduction success. 
• Steve Piccus may be speaking on Would you Date yourself? and/or Working your Complementary Opposites for improving your inner game. 
• David DeAngelo said that he was going to share some of the advanced stuff that he hasn’t put out elsewhere before. 
• Patty Contenta may do a joint presentation with Doc on body language. 
• Sinn may do a run down of the 13 phase Mystery Method model and the 5 archetypes, but this will depend on whether Mystery speaks and what he chooses as his topic.
• The One is considering these topics: Belief and mentality of a man who is successful in att racting women, Seeing the Matrix or The 5 Attributes of a Charismatic man who is successful with women. 
• Style’s topic may be "Beyond the Approach — How to Keep a Woman." 
• Sensei’s topic will be "Kino: The Power of a Gentle Touch".
• Dr Alex Benzer aka Dr Tao will talk about beliefs, doing some seriously mind-altering drills, and talking about some techniques. 

Given that there will be some of the greatest experts in threesomes in the world attending there is a strong likelihood that there will be a panel discussion on that.

There are going to be some interesting bonuses as well – one guy who won’t be attending will be doing a conference call (which will only be available to attendees) after the seminar where he will be sharing some new material and this will be recorded onto a CD.  The seminar is going to be packed with information – the main emphasis of Cliff’s List is to nail down what creates attraction and how to "get it", how to really get that understanding that makes the difference between success and failure, and speakers are encouraged to focus in that direction.

This is shaping up to be a fantastic seminar!  I’d recommend you sign up now before all the spaces are gone.

Way To Captivating And Seductive Talking

The always awesome Nightblue has a fantastic post up about how to create a "sexual state" with your language.

Nightblue writes:
Funny that I vaguely remember posting about captivating verbal game.
I got it pretty solid since the time, basing on those principles with mixed with new natural techs.

While on the subject, I realized something yesterday while talking with
the mighty Brazilian. I actually was a natural since I was into MLTRs with girls 19 to 24 when I was sixteen.

Thats probably also the reason of how I can taste useful material when
I see it. Like Id see a guy when there arent women around, and tell
that he gets laid massively. Which leads to the point; Captivating and
seductive talking and behaving.

Whats lacking at most poets to be PUAs is sexual state.

For being a good PUA
in this day and age, the main secret ingredients are to make a short
brief; take the great Svengali’s "chasers are bound to chase forever"
and mix it with "captivating seductive talking" in which I’ll get into,
and finally pour some "having and wanting sex is our main male role and
right".

Things like C&F and playfulness among other things are the add on’s.   

Note that this is a different thing than my last post "Gamestyle for
quick lays". This post is dedicated for becoming a complete PUA from the inside.
Firstly I should mention that if you dont agree with not chasing, put
that aside and try this all out. You’ll game will definitely improve.

The captivating and seductive talking will upgrade your personality to
a whole new level. You’ll be a out of ordinary dream guy. Civilized,
charming charismatic and seductive.
I dont recommend heavy C&F with this, since that only works for one type of women.

Seductive and captivating talking is the most ancient and effective way
of getting women, since you directly aim at their emotions. For this
you shouldnt use ordinary much used words. But have original words and
describings.
This is for the rapport stage which is the MOST important part if your
not looking for a quick lay. I do both styles depending on my mood.

To give an example of how such an interaction goes,
In the beginning of the interaction you convey humor and playfulness
C&F and stuff if you want. But youre not just all about that. You
keep the playfulness vibe in it, but you show more of yourself. Youre
talking about ordinary things in an out of ordinary way. Lets say about
womens emotions.

"You know naive men keep wondering in through their lives what women
want, and start to think that they want a lot. While women just await
their dreamguy, a guy with who they feel their emotions charging by
just being with him. And thats actually all they want."

Or after youve known eachother and some chemistry is going on sending
mixed messages like active disinterest mixed with seductive talking;

"You know your skin reminds me of watching the sun spark on the sea in
a little greek island Mykonos. We’d go there when we were kids and
watch the sea instead of playing like we should."
Then later pulling back teasing or something and making her work to get you to talk like this again.

When you show this of yourself youre more than an ordinary guy. Youre
conveying deepness and reaching her emotions. That you have a high
value personality. This is what canned material cant give you.

Im not telling you to be some kind of don Juan 24/7. But showing this is very powerful.
I wouldnt advise to use this if you just want to sleep with her. Since
this will get the girl to feel strong emotions for you like love. If
you just want to get laid you should read "Gamestyle for quick lays"
somewhere below in advanced.
This is more for mLTRs.

A complete PU is not all about C&F and being sexual. You have to create a complete image in her mind of yourself. 

An image of a fun guy, who also has a personality. Confident,
Intelligent and can talk in a way that takes him into a woman in any
way possible. Become complete.

Always remember:  Your language is your weapon.  It’s the best thing you have going for you when it comes to getting a woman.  Even good looking guys, if they don’t have much to say (or say the wrong things), they’re going to miss out on the women they want.  Read this post a couple times, I think it’s a good one!

Dealing With Other Guys In Clubs

Dimitri, the star of Rapid Social Impact, has a really good post up about how to deal with other guys in the club.

Dimitri writes:
Man, I just
saw a post in General that broke my heart. This cat, seems a cool guy,
wrote asking about what do after he said something friendly to a guy he
knew (saying he’d attend the guy’s band practice, because it’d be
cool), then the guy makes fun of him, calling him his groupie and stuff.

Then, a lot of "AMOG!!!!"
responses come in, before Woodhaven politely presents a better point of
view: Why care? Shrug it off, laugh if it was legitimately funny.

The main thing you need to do to successfully deal with other guys is
*be cool*. If you’re cool, you won’t get a lot of problems. Especially
in social situations, I never get people messing with me at all:
Because why would they? I’m cool, and I’ve got a rock-solid image. I
look above petty shit.

But okay, I hit the bars, and you get these clowns hyped up with liquid confidence in your space. What do you do?

My #1 MOST SECRET ULTIMATE TECHNIQUE:

******LOOK AT THEM LIKE THEY’RE RETARDED*****

I’m serious. This I got, by and large, from girls. When a guy says
something dumb, they’ll give him a look like he’s retarded, then look
at their friends, or away, or somewhere else.

It’s the natural way. If someone’s doing something genuinely retarded,
look at them like they’re retarded. If a guy rolls up to me and says,
"Hey dude, nice shirt, I had that one in high school", I’m going to
look at him like he’s a joker, then look at my girl like he’s a joker,
then look away from the guy – And it’s game over.

But let’s say he’s actually kind of funny. I give him the "retarded
look", and he comes back with the single, only verbal response that’ll
work: He says, "Oooh, you’re giving me the look. Look at this guy, he’s
giving me the look!"

Then I’ll look at him and smile and laugh, because it’d genuinely be
funny (in that context). I’d pat him on the arm and say, "You’re
alright, man." And then he’d see I truly am bulletproof, and we’d be
cool.

Guys can’t mess with me. I can’t lose duels… because I’m *above* them.

A word from Woodhaven on the subject:

"The common pattern is:
PUA sees other guy ->  PUA feels threatened ->  PUA cooks up a sarcastic line -> PUA lowers whatever status he had to match the status of the other guy as he engages in ‘AMOG battle’.

New pattern is:
PUA sees other guy -> PUA treats other guy as friend, because of confidence in own status -> PUA busts on other guy as if he is an old friend -or- PUA ignores other guy and contiues gaming the girl.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve engaged in these battles before, but no matter
who wins, you still run the risk of looking look dumb for *trying* to
win them as if you care.

It’s an internal state thing – have fun with that type of thing and
release the need to win the battle. If a guy throws a verbal jab at
you, laugh it off and continue gaming the girl."

Thank you for sharing the wisdom with us, WH. I’ll add a last note:
You’re done for when you *feel threatened*. Laugh the guy off and
you’re golden.

I really agree with this post.  I think that people who are insecure of their social status feel "threatened" by another guy.  I’ve been witness to some massive AMOG battles in the past, and they’re not always a pretty site.  I think you come off better if you take a guy trying to out-alpha you as "Oh, he wants to play."  That doesn’t mean that if you are *genuinely* being mocked, you shouldn’t stand up for yourself — after all, there’s a time to play it cool and a time to get your hands dirty — but for the most part, something like this is the wya to go.

Dimitri sure knows his stuff.

Fast Make-Out Game

Intime has a great post up on mASF about how to make-out with a chick fast.

Intime writes:
First off,
i assume you are just into this for the practice(like me) or one night
stands. This isn’t something you do to start off a healthy
relationship. Unless maybe a FB relationship

This post also assumes you can get attraction right off the bat.

Don’t have outcome dependence when you are attempting this. Don’t
actually go time yourself and go" Aaah 10 min mark. Must make out now".
If you know she won’t be receptive to it, just run your regular game
and go from there. You won’t be able to this with everyone.

So now we assume you have her isolated or she is a lone wolf.

Use the most high impact stuff you have right off because you are going to be cycling through the stages fast.
Proximity and kino
is key. Everytime she cracks up, you must be close enough for her to
touch you first. If she keeps on manhandling you when she giggles,
that’s great. If she doesn’t , no problem. The best way to know if she
will be receptive to escalation i feel are probably kino
pings(concept possibly by Mystery). if you don’t know how to calibrate
through her other actions and expressions. You squeeze her hand, she
squeezes back, you touch her, she touches back. You tickle her, she
falls into your arms. That kind of stuff.

You transition to hand holding, being extremely close by doing a kino based game/test. Most games are verbal based games. You ask she, answers. Make it kino
based by holding her close as if that is part of what it is about .
Don’t use games to fluff, use them to intrigue her/ tease her about her
sexuality/ show your sexuality/ be close to her

you are such a blueberry fields girl!  HB: what’s that? Ok i’ll show you.
I can’t trust you guys, im giving you the trust test.
Have you ever been quintupled/cubed? No? Ok come here.
Has anyone told you you have solusandra eyes? Lets find out if you are a solusandra *take her hands*

An excuse to be close and hold her close are games/ tests/
visualizations. Basically every single (tell her about herself) game,
you do it holding her hands. Remember this. Don’t bother doing the
games standing at a distance projecting over 1 metre trying to be
"disinterested" .
Ok from this moment on you will be in a sexual state and your voice
will be the sexiest it knows how to be. ( For some you, thats a problem
Whenever you are running a game, you and her are now in a private
world. Everything is so secretive that you have to intepret her answers
by talking close to her ear.

Being sexual- EC, voice tone/rythm, proximity, Kino. From now on your sexual state is on and does not turn off.

The
trust test really is an attraction/trust test.(Look for the new trust
test) I used to think it was a dumb game. But i do actually use it as
an actual trust test now. If she passes everything, it is definitely on
for more of your kino escalation. Not to mention there are also parts of the trusts test that you can tease her a bit on.

Now through the whole game/test you will be projecting your sexuality,
and for every minute after that. Consider this your transition into
more of an emotional and sexual connection.

I reccomend a minute or two of basic connection, they won’t have time
think or seek rapport with you most of the time. So you have to goad
her into making statements that you agree on and build some basic
rapport/comfort. Time distortion/Imagined shared experiences " Ya i
remember when we were kids it would have been great to…" " Yes
walking by byron beach during the sunset blah blah" (Basically this
will be the romantic part of your relationship (All of one minute:-))

You now have to qualify her or SOI
her. I don’t mean go " Swiss? oh my goodness I can’t even talk to you
anymore…..no no i have to go now". YOU DON’T HAVE TIME FOR ALL THAT.

You SOI
her by whispering or saying something sweetly and softly while holding
her close like " You know what? You are definitely the cutest girl
around here" " I really notice now that you are really beautiful" " You
are the kind of person of person that has a beautiful heart". ALL THIS
IS DONE TOTALLY GENUINE.

If all has gone well you will get a really sweet giggle. And a doggy
dinner bowl look ( People here use this term to mean so many
expressions, and i have one in mind too. Hope it coincides with yours.)

NOW HERE COMES THE MOMENT ( haha no big deal…don’t freak out)

Now you either do the spin kiss move (search for spin kiss) smoothly
and end in a make out. Or you do DYD’s kiss test and end in makeout. Or
Style’s evolution phase shift and end in a makeout. Or anything
else….u guys do know how to make out don’t you?
My personal preference is the spin kiss move, she almost knows whats coming.

Actually do whatever it is you know how to do and just end in a makeout.

Total time less than 10 min…sometimes even less than 5 and now you
have to find new challenge in life ( like taking her on a half hour
trip to your home and dealing with LMR), or on to the next SI swimsuit
model or UG (whichever you prefer.)

Although ive typed up quite a bit, which is just for explanation.
Running through this will take you no more than 5- 10 min. So this is
my fast makeout game and i believe anyone else could probably get it to
work.

So if you really do get your first 5 min makeout through the structure here. Well, guess im proud that i could be of help.

5 minute make out.  Can’t beat that can you?  =)

Special Memorial Day Weekend Offer!

Happy Memorial Day Weekend everyone!

I gotta tell ya, I love Memorial Day Weekend!  Not only do we all get an extra day off work, but we also get to kick back, unwind, and party!

Be it going to a nice BBQ, going to see the latest summer blockbuster, or going out for three nights of partying on the town, you gotta be sure you use this weekend to start the summer off with a bang!

I know I will.  =)

But I recently got an email from a poor chap named Patrick who doesn’t seem like he’s going to be having much fun anytime soon…

Patrick writes:

Hey Thundercat,

My situation IS special and problematic because I hate to go out to clubs and bars. I know extremely well what my problem is and I don’t see the solution.

My problem is that I have a very low need for socializing in general but that I have a high need for a pleasant and fullfilling relationship. You could say that I want a girlfriend without going through all the social stages. I’m a loner, though NOT a hermit.

What can I do to solve this? I have been studying all kinds of materials for a year now.

Hate to break it to Patrick, but his situation is not nearly as unique or "special" as he thinks. 

Actually, its quite common.

I get a lot of emails from guys who don’t like to go out but want companionship.

The thing is, you don’t have to go to bars and clubs to meet women – especially on a weekend like this!  Women are going to be out everywhere, shopping, eating, walking around, enjoying the weather, etc.

Even if you NEVER leave your house, there are TONS of dating sites you can access with your computer and meet women that way.

But the thing is, you still need to be a social person, because even if you do get dates, no one wants to be with a man who doesn’t know how to relate to other people.

Patrick called himself a loner, but having seen this a million times, I have to tell it to him straight:

Patrick, you’re just being lazy.

If you’re like Patrick and want a girlfriend without going through the necessary social stages, then just get a hooker, because no other woman is going to **magically** pick you out of all the other men in this world, and then do all the work necessary to get into a relationship with you (unless you’re insanely rich or famous, but even then, some work is still involved). You’re the man.  Women expect YOU to do all the work!

It’s a sucky deal, I know, but if you want something, you gotta work for it.  No way around it.

However, seeing as how I consider myself to be quite lazy, I can’t blame Patrick for wanting to go the easy route.  And since it’s a holiday weekend and everything, I’m going to share a little secret with you…

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Ask yourself:

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Bishop Reveals The TRUTH About MINE’99!

Wow,

Okay, so I haven’t been reading every single response on my blog lately, due to that fact that I’ve been travelling a lot and have been busy with work.  But when I do sit down to catch up on things, oh what gems I find!

It seems Bishop and MINE’99 have been going at each other’s throats again, and it’s all been happening on my blog!  Shocking, considering Bishop has proclaimed he’d "never post on my blog again" and MINE’99 seems to hate this website so (but spends almost all of his free time on it, it appears).

It all started on the "Louis & Copeland vs… David DeAngelo???" thread where MINE’99 went on the offensive attacking David D. for running more than one website selling stuff that no one really cares about.  Then Bishop swoops in and fires the opening salvo in the "Revenge Of The Sith"-epic flame ware that is to follow.

Read on, you’re not gonna want to miss this one…

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