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Well, looks like there’s finally a movie coming out about the Pick-Up community.  The trailer hit the internet this morning, and from the looks of it, two of the biggest names in the seduction community are behind it!  I personally never thought I’d see these two personalities team up, especially considering all the bad blood that’s between them, but I guess the riches Hollywood had to offer made them put their differences aside and work together for the first time.

For those of you interested in checking out the trailer, click here.

The Game: Penetrating The Secret Society Of Pick Up Artists

Well, it’s been talked about for years, my friends, but 0-hour is soon upon us.  As you all know (and if you don’t, you’re going to find out right now), Neil Strauss — also known as Style, the most powerful of the Jedi — has been writing a book for the past couple of years about his experiences in this underground seduction community of ours, and on September 6th this book will be released to the masses.

Not only that, but on September 1st, Primetime Live will be running a special on Neil, his book, and the community on ABC.  I understand the full hour of the show will be devoted to Neil and the community, and will feature people like Mystery and MINE’99 (who apparently claims he can get any guy laid, but whatever).  You’ll also probably see the Cliff’s List seminar on there since Primetime Live filmed that seminar.  I hear the guys from Pick-Up 101 in San Francisco will be featured briefly too, though who knows what makes the final edit.

Since Primetime Live is based on ABC, you can definitely expect a "pro-feminist/anti-men" stance where they try to show both sides of the story (the benefit of learning pick-up vs. how women "really" respond to it) while missing the whole point of what this community tries to teach entirely.  The fact is that most women will respond to the tactics we use, but if someone comes up to the right after we use them with a camera and asks "Would you sleep with that guy," the answer would always be "No!" simply because the girl doesn’t want to look like a slut on national TV.

As for the book, I personally cannot wait to read it, mostly because I was present for a great deal of what is documented in it.  I’ve known for a long time now that Niel is undoubtedly one of the biggest success stories of the community and one of its most skilled seducers, so to get this inside look at his failures, setbacks, success, and ultimate triumph in achieving his goal will be really eye opening for me.  And for those of you who love the community drama, there probably won’t be any shortage of that in the book too.  Here’s the Amazon.com summary of the book:

Reviewed by Amy Sohn
I never dated Neil Strauss, but I dated guys
like him. Like many New York women, I have always gone for balding,
pale guys because they’re grateful and good in bed. But a few years
ago, a distraught Strauss decided he was a loser with women and set
about transforming himself into the world’s greatest pick-up artist. The Game
is his long, often tedious but hilarious account of how he did it.

This
ugly-duckling tale will affect different readers in different ways,
depending on their degree of cynicism: some will be awed by Strauss’s
ménage-à-trois snowball scene, while others will suspect it was cribbed
from a third-rate porno Strauss watched in his pre-macking days.When
his story begins Strauss is, well, a Neil: an unconfident,
self-described AFC (average frustrated chump). He is also, it should be
noted, a well-known rock critic who penned porn star Jenna Jameson’s
autobiography, leaving one wondering just how pathetic women really
found him.

After paying $500 to join a workshop for aspiring PUAs
(pick-up artists) led by a magician named Mystery at Hollywood’s
Roosevelt Hotel, Strauss becomes addicted to pick-up technique. He
trains with several PUA gurus, including Ross Jeffries, a hypnotist
rumored to be the basis for the Tom Cruise character in Magnolia.
With his brains and dedication, Strauss renames himself Style and soon
becomes a master of the game—able to get sex from beautiful women who
once would have run the other way.But The Game doesn’t get
really interesting until Strauss deviates from his NC-17 Horatio Alger
story and tells what happens when he moves into a Sunset Strip mansion
with a group of other PUAs. He starts to see the misogyny of the sport
and realizes that most of its leaders had miserable childhoods. The AFC
who became a PUA to understand women ultimately becomes an expert on
men.

As Strauss grows restless to talk about things other than number
closes and phase shifts (the book’s glossary is a juicy read of its
own), the mansion loses its appeal and he reluctantly grows up. When he
meets a tough-talking band mate of Courtney Love’s named Lisa and they
bond over music, we can guess where the narrative is headed. In the
book’s final pages, he dumps onto his bed all the phone numbers he’s
collected and tells Lisa, "I’ve spent two years meeting every girl in
L.A. And out of them all, I chose you," which is like telling your
mother-in-law that the Thanksgiving dinner you had last year at
Applebee’s was nothing compared to the one she just prepared. But for
some reason, Lisa doesn’t flee. I can only hope that in the inevitable
2007 movie version, starring Jack Black and Kate Hudson, Lisa throws
the numbers in his face and leaves him for a guy who knows how to pay a
girl a compliment.

Amy Sohn is the author of My Old Man, which was just released in paperback by Simon & Schuster, and she writes the "Mating" column for New York magazine.

Note that the "2007 movie version" is a bit of a joke.  There very well may be a movie about this book (I believe it’s already been optioned) but I don’t think there are any plans for it right now.

Regardless, The Game is going to be a fantastic read.  For those of you who don’t know Neil’s work, he also wrote the biographies for Motley Cru, Marilyn Manson, Jenna Jameson, and Dave Navaro.  This is the first book Neil has written that’s fully about him, so it’s a bit of a departure from his previous works, but that should make it all the more interesting.

I highly recommend you preorder your copy of The Game now so that when the 6th rolls around, it’ll be waiting for you in your mailbox.

You can get your own copy of The Game here.

Where ASF Philosophy Went Wrong

A guy named sanik posted a pretty thought-provoking entry over on mASF which pretty much calls into question the current mentality of most pick-up artists…

sanik writes:
Credit to Stephane for "All game is inner game"

Hey guys, well not that i’m back ill POST my thoughts on why a lot of guys have been feeling incongruent and why a lot of the shit that we do in the community fucks guys up. Don’t get me wrong at all this place is the money and its helped me TREMENDOUSLY getting over limiting beliefs and becoming a more open person but with all its Pros… it came with its cons. So lets get into this.

THE PROBLEM WITH FAKE IT TILL YOU MAKE IT
Imagine this for a minute… lets say you get a huge cut on your chest by accident and you don’t go to the hospital to fix it, instead you decide to go home and put on a fresh T-shirt even though the cut is very deep and it will most probally get infected if you don’t treat it, you still decide to put the shirt on. Mean while you go through your day as usual but the cut is getting all nasty and green and shit underneath your T-shirt and no matter how hard you try and say "IT ISNT THERE, ill just GO CHANGE MY SHIRT" even though you keep bleeding all over all your clothes clothes, THe cut remains.

This is the metaphor, lets say you have a problem meeting and approaching women for example and your hole life you have been shot down and rejected and had oneitis and then one day you find a site that says… TAKE ON BEHAVIOURS OF SUCESSFUL PEOPLE… SAY THIS, DRESS THIS WAY AND HAVE RELAXED BODY LANGUAGE AND ON TOP OF THAT FORGET YOU EVER HAD A PROBLEM BLAME YOUR FAILURES ON YOUR SKILLSET.

Do you see how this can fuck you up you keep on putting on that T-shirt but you still bleed on it because inside your still fucked up, your inner-game is still indefinately fucked up how will you expect to ever heal yourself. Will you heal yourself by boosting your ego by saying if I fuck 2000 chicks I will love myself, will you feel validated when someone responds well to your game, will you FEEL better when you are like these seduction heroes you idolize? why do you idolize people like TD or Mystery, what do you think you will get from this type of lifestyle.

Ill tell you what you will get a fucked up heart, a head full of insecurity that you supress, validation centered existence a materialistic outlook on life and inevitabley many nights of masturbation until you learn to lie well enough and FAKE not likeing someone and on top of that extremely mysognistic outlook on women.

INDIRECT GAME IS BS its for insecure people who our AFRAID PUSSIES., Social conditioning is a JOKE, YES hot girls get approached a lot and they will act all bitchy and shit… But do you really want some…. "LIEING, CHEATING, BARBIEDOLL BITCH WITH LOWSELF-ESTEEM" or would you rather have a nice, honest, pretty girlfirend that gives great blowjobs?

my inner game is so tight now that I don’t need to go up and bullshit my way and try to combat ASD like some fucking ninja or Demonstrate Higher Value hahahahahahha, Demonstrate Higher Value???

DOESN’T THAT FUCING PRESUPPOSE THAT YOU HAVE LOWER VALUE IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHAT A FUCING JOKE ROFL!!!!

I ROLL UP I AM HONSET, RESPECTFUL OF THE FACT THAT THESE GIRLS DO NOT KNOW ME SO I MAKE THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE.

I tell girls I find you extremely attractive and I’d like to get to know you and I go from there, If they are not interested I find SOMEONE WHO IS. I REFUSE TO MAKE PEOPLE TRY TO LIKE ME BY BEING SNEAKY AND TRYING TO RAISE BUYING TEMPATURE… Oh my god what a croc of shit…

anyway guys this is the hole thing, fix up your inner game dudes.. read great books, become comfortable in your own skin love yourself and your body no matter what is looks like or how you used to be, and just be cool be naturel, don’t fake shit.

I do think that people who try to be dishonest and portray themselves as something they’re not will eventually be revealed.  All to often, the whole "Fake it ’till you make it" mentality can do more harm than good, because the guys who partake in that mentality know, deep down inside, that they’re being dishonest.  Because of this, they’re always worrying about getting "caught" and being "revealed."  And when things go bad for them, they can sink into depression and frustration.

I am of the mentality that lots of guys really have to learn what’s holding them back from getting what they want and focus on fixing that before they try to achieve what they really want.  You have to create a "lifestyle" around which you’re comfortable and is conducive to getting you the goals you want.  This month’s SeductionLair.com’s interview with PlayboyLA focuses a great deal on this, and for those of you who are interested, you should definitely check it out.

How Not To Be Dependant On One Woman

n3rv1 has one hell of a post over on mASF about something he calls "Dependancy."  We all know how sometimes a guy can get hung up on that "one special girl," and when that happens, he ignores all other possibilities with women only to eventually find out that the girl of his desire just wants to be "friends."  Well, n3rv1 offers a solution to that predicament…

n3rv1 writes:
Variation.

I’m not a drug councelor or anywhere near an expert on the issue, so what I mean by "dependency" is a subtle kind of mental weakness that keeps a guy from doing things out of the ordinary, like, say, having sex with different women.

As I see it, dependency keeps a guy in his comfort zone. This is a big issue. He learns to depend on circumstances being familiar. His system can’t cope unless he is "in his element," so to speak. This inability to cope with new situations will, over time, translate into an unwillingness to ACT outside of the boundaries of what’s known and predictable.

This unwillingness to act is what I mean by "dependency."

The best cure for this is VARIATION in all senses of the meaning.

Mix it up. Keep things fresh. Engage everything. These words are purposely ambiguous.

Hovering over insignifcant details shouldn’t be allowed. Sticking to one train of thought for too long should become UNCOMFORTABLE. "New" things should no longer be seen as
"new," but "natural."

I seriously think this issue and explanation is multi-applicable. I think it has to do with PU, sexual activity, probably even drug/substance use, feelings of motivation, happiness, and a whole lot of other shit that I can’t explain.

Personal, REAL LIFE examples of how I try to keep things in variation include, but are in no way limited to:

Physical Activities: Obviously sex, lifting weights, playing frisbee golf, swimming, canoeing, hiking, camping, biking, fishing, cooking outdoors, playing drums, painting, working two part-time jobs instead of one full-time job, walking as transportation, doing weird shit, etc.

Mental Activities: #1 MOST IMPORTANT: TALKING TO STRANGERS (there’s no better mental exercise for me than having quick connections with random people — it’s a dual exercise in wit and empathy, it’s not PU, it’s nothing that takes EFFORT, it’s just an overall openness and compassion for other human beings), listening to as wide a variety of music as possible, reading (philosophy, art, comparative mythology, great literary works, science magazines, psychology, PU, current affairs, history, comic books, etc) writing(***PU JOURNAL*** –> key item: keeping track of approaches and random interactions I’ve had throughout the day keeps positive experiences in my conscious sphere, making it easier for me to project positive friendly-guy vibes}, interesting-event journal, dream journal, keeping track of upcoming events, creative writing, mASF, written correspondence, chat, random thoughts jotted down on post-it notes, etc), watching movies and TV (which I don’t get enough of — with no cable access and a budget too tight for rentals or high-speed internet I’m kind of out of touch with pop culture)

The main point I’m trying to make is that it is possible to INGRAIN VARIETY into your behavior and lifestyle, not in a drastic, earth-shattering way, but in MANY realistic, subtle, yet impactful ways.

I wholeheartedly agree with n3rv1′s assessment here.  It’s really foolish to latch on to just ONE woman (at least until you’re married or in a relationship).  You have to keep your options open and meet lots of women.  This little tactic will really help you from getting your heart broken.

Kissing Tips

Wyldfire has a short-but-sweet post up on the Don Juan board about a kissing technique that’s designed to make the woman you’re kissing completely infatuated with you.

Wyldfire writes:
Okay, let’s face
it…how you kiss a woman can either make or break your image in her
eyes. You can use this simple technique to sweep a woman off her feet
and double her interest level in you. Use this technique wisely and
only on women you want to really fall for you. Don’t use it on someone
you don’t want to keep around or you’ll never get rid of her.

When you go in for the kiss, put your hands on her neck and very gently
caress her. Start the kiss off softly, still gently stroking her neck,
and running your fingers through her hair at the nape of her neck. Very
softly and slowly part her lips with your tongue. Don’t put your tongue
too far into her mouth…just a little bit in and work it very slowly
and without much pressure. A kiss like this makes a woman weak in the
knees. Save the hard passionate kisses for later on down the line. Use
this more erotic kind of kiss to keep her thinking of you until you see
her again.

Smootch, smootch!  =)

Real Asian Dynamics

Wow, now this is funny…

I can’t believe RSD ripped off these guy’s website.  =)

Rank The Workshops

I recently read in a post about a Fidentia Review I published where I saw some guys asking about what workshops are actually worth it.  In fact, I get this question a lot!  So decided to make an open thread about the topic.  All you guys out there who’ve taken a workshop, post about who you think was the best and who you think was the worst and why you feel that way.

Hopefully this will be able to become a reference for people out there actually interested in taking a workshop and would like to know as much about it as possible before committing thousands of dollars to it.

And keep the hating to a minimum.  Constructive criticism only, please.  =)

For College Guys Who Want To Meet Women

Tweeder over on the DJ Boards has a pretty great post up giving advice to college students who want to meet more girls.

Tweeder writes:
Okay men, another year
of college approaches. Now is the time to get your game face on. Time
to use all of these tips you’ve been reading about, but haven’t found
the balls to use them yet. The first couple weeks at college are the
perfect time to meet girls and get their numbers. It’s so easy it’s
pathetic really. Getting pu*** couldn’t be any easier if it was handed
to you.

So how do you do it?  Well that’s what this post is here for:

1. USE THE CLASSROOM TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. First thing to know is that
people are like herds of animals. Wherever they sit on the first day,
that’s the area they’ll go to from now on. On the first day of class
when you walk into a room, what do you see? You see a room half full of
people sitting 2 to 3 seats appart. Almost everybody in that room is
nervous as hell, and they don’t feel comfortable. Everyone’s sitting
there saying, "Man I wish someone would come talk to me." Most likely
you do the same thing. But not anymore. When you go into a room, kind
of pause just inside the door. Act calm and cool. After all, you are a
DJ. Look around the room, and find the girl you want. Try and get a
little eye contact first, and then go sit right next to her. Don’t
worry about getting her to smile first. These girls are nervous, and
may just be intimidated by the confidence you display. This is not a
bar or club. Girls are not nearly as agressive and flirty at first. Not
two seats down, not right behind her. You sit right next to her. Then
smile and say, "Hi my names tweeder, what’s yours?"

Easy isn’t it? Watch her warm up to you right away. She’ll think you’ve
got balls of steel for doing something so easy. Every other guy in the
room will wathc you with envy and say, "Man why didn’t I do that? He
must get all the chicks."

2. USE THE CLASSROOM TO GET THE DIGITS. So you hate asking for a phone
number because you don’t want to look stupid? Well here’s another
golden chance. After you’ve been talking to her for the class period,
you shoould have made her feel really comfortable. As you leave say,
hey why don’t we exchange phone numbers in case I miss a day or
something. I’ve never had a girl say no to this. EVER!!!!! It is the
wussy way out, but it’s a good way to get used to asking. If you’re a
good DJ, just ask her to give you her number so you can get together
for coffee sometime.

3. SAY HI TO EVERYONE EVERYWHERE. So now you’re outside of class.
You’re walking to the bookstore or whatever. What do you see? Tons of
hot chicks walking by themselves. Man what are you waiting for? These
girls want to talk to you more than you’ll ever know. "But why aren’t
they holding eye contact tweeder?" you might ask. Well you’re a DJ, and
you look confident. They’re intimidated. They’ll look once, and then
away. Don’t worry my friends, you’re still in. Just say hi. You’ll be
amazed at the positive responses you get.

4. YOU DIDN’T THINK THEY WERE REALLY IN THE ACTIVITY CENTER TO STUDY
DID YOU? How many times did you go through a center of some sort, and
see a girl at a table by herself reading? Too many to count I’d guess.
Don’t let this fool you. They’re waiting for you. They just need to
look busy so they don’t come off as pathetic. Are some girls really
studying? Of course, but not a lot of them. So how do you tell the
difference? Her eyes do all the talking you need.

If a girl is wanting a guy to approach, she’ll look up every couple of
minutes to see who’s around. If she’s really studying she won’t be
doing this. She’ll be concentrating too much. So if you see a girl,
stay in her line of site for a minute. If she looks up, lock eyes and
smile. You might catch her off guard and she’ll look back down without
smiling. Don’t worry. Hang around. IF she’s interested she’ll check you
out again. When she does just go to her table and ask if you can join
her. Tell her you’re waiting for you’re next class or whatever. Then go
from there. It’s easy I promise.

5. THE CONCLUSION TO ALL THIS MESS. It’s simple really. Girls are
everywhere, and they want to meet you. Colleges are full of chumps that
are too scared to approach a girl in the beginning. And the girls are
the same way. This makes it hard for them to meet girls. Thank God
you’re a DJ. You can go get them all while the chumps watch in awe. By
the end of the second week you’ll have so many numbers your only
problem will be which ones to get rid of.

My final point is the most important. I mention it in a lot of my
posts, but that’s because I want you guys to know it. These posts
always say a girl will give you good buying signals when she wants you
to approach. Like she’ll make good eye contact and smile. THIS IS ONLY
IN BARS AND CLUB TYPE ATMOSPHERES. In normal places only extreamly
confident women will do this. The others will look away when you make
eye contact. Or when you smile. PLEASE DON’T GET DISCOURAGED.

Remember this rule. A woman may look by mistake once, but she’ll never
make the mistake again. So she may check you out once and realize
you’re not her type, but she won’t look again unless she finds you
attractive. So if you make good EC with a woman and she looks away,
keep at it. Wait a minute and see. Odds are she’ll look again. When she
does you’re in. You better go for it.

Is this fool proof? Of course not. Rjections is always a possibility.
But you’re success will always outway the rejections. So come on guys,
make these first couple of weeks count.

Hot damn I wish I was back in school again!  To all you guys out there still in college (or going to college), don’t squander your time there being afraid of talking to women!  Never in your life will you find an easier place to meet them.  Sieze every opportunity you have.

Effective Honesty

BG has a post up on his blog about about something he calls "effective honesty."

BG writes:
This is something I discussed a while ago over the phone with a PUA named Yoshi. So a part of the credit goes to him as well.

We
were discussing about a philosophy, about a concept; to be completely
honest 100% of the time. This could be REALLY alpha. You really tell
people how you feel about them and about things without hiding
anything. Of course, at the work place this might not be that effective
(being alpha at the work place rarely is) and while seducing it might
not be good either. I mean, imagine this:

"Hey, I think you’re hot and I want to have sex with you."

Or if a girl asks: "do you like me?"
Replying "Yeah, kind of, but I’m just trying to fuck you" is not of much use.

That’s
why we called it EFFECTIVE honesty. Effective honesty means NOT telling
someone your entire life story when they ask "what’s up". Effective
honesty means NOT being overly blunt.

Of course, hiding your
intentions and having a hidden agenda is not good. Why would you have a
hidden agenda if you are self-secure and are convinced that you are
going to achieve your goals anyway? In some cases you simply can’t be a
100% honest. Make it 99%. Give them most of the truth, but not
everything.

I do think that honesty is always the best policy.  A favorite tactic of David X’s was "relentless honesty."  He’d walk around and tell women how much he liked their breasts because… well, he really did like their breasts!

I think that when guys try to sneak around and hide their intentions from a girl they like, it can really backfire on them.  Either they come off as just plain "not interested" or they appear like they’re trying to manipulate the girl.  I do think that a somewhat direct approach of being honest about your intentions can really go a long way to increasing the effectiveness of your pick-up, and what BG talks about with "effective honesty" is a good way to go about it.

Book Of Woman

A guy who goes by the handle "Deep Dish" has a pretty long but interesting post up about the psychology/mentality of women he calls the "Book Of Woman."  It’s a pretty interesting post if you’re into concepts of how women fit into society and stuff like that.  Here’s a little exerpt:

Deep Dish writes:
“Men commit actions; women commit gestures. – Phyllis Chesler”

Women read into signs because illegal it is for her to drive; tossing
hints because for her to throw would be uncivilized. Rather than ask
you out, she flirts with you and asks what you’re doing later, or
presses her breasts up against you.

“Women are all bought in the market – from the ***** to the
Princess. The price alone is different, and the highest price, in money
or rank, obtains the woman.”

When you ask her out, she runs late night off to the telephone and
chats incessantly with her friends. There was at least once when I saw
a woman (whom I had briefly dated) with a few friends and those friends
pointed me out to her, now consider I had never seen those friends in
my entire life. The girl must have at some point, while we were briefly
getting together, sent in her friends to spy on me, to check out what a
catch was I.

She uses her friends to retrieve information; Are you single? Do you
like anyone?; and other times to show off, case in point the last
paragraph.

Her friends influence her decision of your value, which partly is why
it’s said you’re not dating her, you’re dating everyone; why often it
is said women are committees, why women don’t think for themselves. Her
friends diss you if they don’t like you, praise you if they do; and her
friends are her eyes and ears when she is away. If you are caught
staring down her shirt, her friends will report to her you are a sexist
pig.

She is friends of many and knows everything about her friends, even
mundane daily life, is an engineer of a web of contacts. One great
‘game plan’ is to befriend many women into friends, to take every woman
who rejects you and make her into a friend, and get hookups from them;
by fact you get her seal of approval instantly gets you way further in
than had you met the woman on your own.

When off in college, while man becomes a stranger to his parents, she keeps in contact with her mom.

She hates to lose people from her life. Ever notice when the instant
you get over her and rid her from your life, is the very moment she
somehow just pops back in. There was one time for a month I would
continually bump into a girl, every time a different place, on a campus
of 30,000 students, where you’re lucky to see someone once a month; and
at the same time I detected she would make visits to my personal
website, an address of which I never gave her. This woman had blown me
off, though I did have quite a history before being blown off.

You can check it out in its entirety here.

Appologies for Lack Of Posts

Again, sorry for letting a week go by with no new updates on the site.  Things are so crazy for me right now.  I’m trying to settle into a routine where I spend a few hours a day on the blog, but it’s getting harder and harder now that the summer is coming to a close and work is starting to pile up.  *grrrrr*

If any of you guys want to make my job easier by emailing me links to interesting posts and articles on the internet, please feel free to do so.  I plan to keep updating the site on a semi-regular basis as much as I can.

Anti-Badboy Blog?

I got an email from a fella named Byr today telling me about his new blog, which seems to be all about Badboy…

Hey Thundercat,

since there were so many positive things written about Badboys workshops in the past I thought it’s time to put things a little bit into perspective. So I created a little Blog a short time ago.

While it’s not directly related to PU itself it could be interesting for guys who want to participate at a workshop into the future.

The url is http://byrsblog.blogspot.com/. Take a look and decide if it could be interesting for your readers.

Byr.

So I did take a look, and I was surprized to find that almost every post had to do with critiquing Badboy.  Here’s Byr’s reason for the blog…

I participated in a "Badboy-Workshop" at May 2004. I haven’t got the results I wanted and I wanted to make public that the Workshop wasn’t able to deliver according to the promises Badboy makes. But my honest update of my first very positive review of this workshop was deleted by Badboy from his forum. It’s also difficult to impossible to discuss the topic in his forum (where it belongs to inform potential new customers) because he deleted threads and banned me multiple times. As a result I created this Blog to post infos without being censored or banned.

I’m still struggeling with the problems I wanted so solve by taking the workshop. I know that it’s my responsibility to get the results I want and I do not blame Badboy for that. But I do blame him for decieving his customers, for the use of unethical marketing methods and for trying to destroy my credibility by making unfounded accusations.

Having never met Badboy or taken a workshop of his, I can’t speak to Byr’s accusations.  I have had a number of friends of mine take Badboy’s workshop and come back extremely pleased with the results.  I do know that Badboy now has a new management team for his business and a few of his old cohorts have splintered off to form Fidentia, a rival workshop business.  Could this be the reason for the sudden change?  Who knows.  It will be interesting to keep an eye on Byr’s blog, though.

Badboy Forums

This news is a bit old, but it looks like the Badboy Lifestyle Forums have been closed to the public and are now only accepting posts from workshop attendees, much like the forumson Mystery’s site does.  I can understand wanting to reserve Badboy’s posts just for those students of his who’ve taken a workshop and expressed interests in using his methods to improve, but I do hope we still see Badboy post publically from time to time still.

A Complete Guide to Vibing

A guy named Spirit Fingers posted a pretty good article on mASF about "Vibing" with a girl.  Definitely worth a read…

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Routine Dependancy

Tyler Durden has a new post up about reliance on routines…

Tyler Durden Posts:
Routines, while potent and effective, can also become like a car or a house or a bank account. And moreso, they can become a part of your identity in a way that is constricting.

When we first come to the game, we learn that chumps will talk to girls with boring, resume-like conversation, that is essentially trying too hard to build rapport and conveying all the wrong things. We learn to have conversations that stand out and make us more interesting than the next man. We learn to make ourselves stand out from the chumps by virtue of our fascinating topics of conversation.

With time, we also become psychologically dependent on our routines, because we know that if a girl is talking to us, and we have intrigued her and pushed her away and made her chase us, that she is in our frame and that we can feel completely comfortable. She sees us as that guy who conveyed a ton of personality, so therefore she sees us in a way that we want to be seen and that guarantees acceptance.

And so when we see a girl later in the week, we think "I need to put her in state. What routines have I run? Oh shit!" Or if we meet a girl for the first time and we do not actively attract her, we feel a bit anxious as though there is something that we need to be doing.

Now let’s pause for a second…

As guys in the game, the things that attract women are the sub-communication of higher value. This is subcommunicated especially in our voice and eye contact, as well as in the fluidity and space usage in our body language to an extent. When your voice resonates and pumps, and your eye dialations are completely unreactive, and your body is fluid, you will have attraction. So when you speak to a woman, even when she is not initially attractive, if you are reactionless to it and you maintain your higher value sub-communications, she will eventually become reactive herself and fall into your frame.

And so back on track…

When we run a set gameplan, these sub-communications flow from us naturally because we are playing the role of the guy who attracts women. We have shed our chump identity, and we have taken on an identity of a player and a champ. We have conveyed our personality in a way that is cool and subtle and fun. One a certain level, we are doing far better than the guy who needed to say "I have a boat and a rolex" in order to feel like the girls see him in the way that he wants to be seen.

But at the same time, we have become dependent on personality conveyance being tacked onto the front of an interaction in order to feel comfortable. If we talk to a girl without the structured personality conveyance on the front end, we don’t feel comfortable. We feel naked and exposed. We feel dependent on the reaction of the woman to maintain the state boost that we gain from being a pimp and a player. And most importantly, WE IDENTIFY TYPICAL CHUMP TALK AS BEING CHUMPISH AND WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE TAKEN ON THE IDENTITY OF A CHUMP WHEN WE DO NOT ACTIVELY GAME. It is the same as when I first entered a relationship, and identified myself as a chump and my state crashed from there.

I don’t know about you guys, but I feel I need to have a PhD in psychobabble whenever I read TD’s posts nowadays.  In fact, I had to read this one a couple times to try to understand it properly.  I’m not sure I succeeded, but I think this is the gist of what he’s saying…

"Be a cool guy around women, and it doesn’t matter what you say."

All this mumbo-jumbo about "sub-communication" and "psychologically dependent" makes my eyes go cross.

It’s funny, because I was talking to a friend of mine who used to be, at least in my opinion, one of the best instructors in the community, and I actually talked to him about some of his old routines.  At some point, you get good enough and experienced enough with women to know that success in love has little to do with what you say and a lot to do with who you are (mostly because who you are dictates what you say and do).  This guy I was talking to and myself have gotten to a point where we don’t feel the need to use routines on women and don’t find it necessary to spin a bunch of pre-memorized material on targets, etc.  We just kind of flow and take opportunities as they present themselves.

But the funny thing is, at one time, both of us were all about the pre-scripted routines and material!  In a way, learning 103 memorized routines, or whatever, helped us to figure out that you don’t necessarily need to do that to get women.  It’s just an excuse to talk to them about something.

Personally, I believe that most guys have to go through a process of discovery where they learn pre-scripted stuff and get comfortable talking and interacting with women.  Kind-of like training wheels on a bike.  You’re learning how to be social!  Eventually, you reach a point where the training wheels aren’t necessary and you can go it alone.  You may fall down from time to time and hurt yourself, but that doesn’t mean you should put the training wheels back on, does it?

I do think there is a tendency for some to rely too much on routines.  But I personally see them as necessary, at least initially, for guys who need help learning how to be social and meet women in particular.

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