“Reality” check.

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A guy by the handle x-code wrote an interesting post in the General forum of mASF about the feasability of combining the NLP and PUA schools of thought into one all-encompassing system. Here’s what he had to say:

x-code writes:
What I have been thinking about recently … It seems that there are at least two PU ‘schools’. The first one is NLP-based and focuses on mirroring, eliciting values, trance words and patterning. The other one is more focused on improving the inner game, by becoming a highly valuable male whom women are ready to chase and pursue – ‘recognize that you are the prize’ to quote the signature of one of the regular posters.

No, I don’t mean one can completely disregard the inner game if he chooses the NLP/patterning route – AND I would like to warn some newbies who mistakenly think that learning trancing skills is enough for getting laid.

My point is rather how to combine both of the approaches to get better results. Can we, for example, become more desirable men by learning the patterning stuff and use our skills of controlling the women’s state as a REWARD rather than a tool?

I know I sound not that consistent, but these are my raw thoughts I’d like to share and discuss with you.

I thought Tyler had an interesting reply…

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“Reality” check.

A guy by the handle x-code wrote an interesting post in the General forum of mASF about the feasability of combining the NLP and PUA schools of thought into one all-encompassing system. Here’s what he had to say:

x-code writes:
What I have been thinking about recently … It seems that there are at least two PU ‘schools’. The first one is NLP-based and focuses on mirroring, eliciting values, trance words and patterning. The other one is more focused on improving the inner game, by becoming a highly valuable male whom women are ready to chase and pursue – ‘recognize that you are the prize’ to quote the signature of one of the regular posters.

No, I don’t mean one can completely disregard the inner game if he chooses the NLP/patterning route – AND I would like to warn some newbies who mistakenly think that learning trancing skills is enough for getting laid.

My point is rather how to combine both of the approaches to get better results. Can we, for example, become more desirable men by learning the patterning stuff and use our skills of controlling the women’s state as a REWARD rather than a tool?

I know I sound not that consistent, but these are my raw thoughts I’d like to share and discuss with you.

I thought Tyler had an interesting reply…

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New Best Friend’s Test

Tyler Durden has posted some good tips on the Tactics board of mASF. I found his reworking of the “Best Friend’s Test” to be pretty solid too. =)

Tyler Durden writes:
For girls who interupt you, or tell you what to do like “tell
the story.. tell it, tell it!”, I’ve found this line very useful.

“Hey! It’s too early in our relationship for you to be telling me what to do / interupting me”.

For extracting or venue changing or moving girls in the club, I’ve found this line to have actually changed my game.

“Hey, we’re going to sit down over there. Would you like to join us?” (or add in for a drink or to discuss something).

This line sounds subtle, and it may be hard to see the value on the surface. But the reason I’ve found it to have changed my game, is that first of all it establishes that you’re friends and the verbal sparring or resistance need not continue, and also it says to the girls “You are being called upon to socialize, so you must tee-up things to say” (as Mystery calls F2M attract or whatever).

So I’ve found that the girls are much more talkative when they come to sit down. I think it also feeds into their stereotype of how they think being picked up ought to go down. Either way, I’ve found the girls to be amazingly receptive to this when they come to sit down, and they aren’t so much in that mode of “I’m leaving as soon as I get bored”, when they’ve consented to come sit down and socialize.

I use the line as soon as I see that they really want me to stay, and I’ll use it on a buying temp spike (them laughing or finding something really intriguing).

If I don’t feel that they’d bite on the offer, but I still want them to sit down because I need a clear space where I can work (I always have a priority to move the girls somewhere comfortable ASAP in every set), then I’ll just oversell the CUBE or lying game or some lameass routine, so that they’ll be forced to sit down. Like “You HAVE to see this. It’s amazing. Check this out”, without asking if they want to or not.

THE EXPANDED BEST FRIENDS TEST:

Briefly:
“You guys are best friends aren’t you. You have the exact same posture. And you have the exact same facial expressions. And the big thing, and I’m not sure if all girls do this or what, but every time you go to talk, or I’m talking to you, or you’re about to do something, you guys keep looking at eachother first”

They bust out laughing as they look at eachother’s posture, then again at their facial expressions, and then of course lastly at the looking at eachother.

You can proceed to analyze you and your wing, and other people, under the same criteria.

Good way to blow open the convo.

As always, great stuff from Tyler. You can read teh original post here.

New Best Friend’s Test

Tyler Durden has posted some good tips on the Tactics board of mASF. I found his reworking of the “Best Friend’s Test” to be pretty solid too. =)

Tyler Durden writes:
For girls who interupt you, or tell you what to do like “tell
the story.. tell it, tell it!”, I’ve found this line very useful.

“Hey! It’s too early in our relationship for you to be telling me what to do / interupting me”.

For extracting or venue changing or moving girls in the club, I’ve found this line to have actually changed my game.

“Hey, we’re going to sit down over there. Would you like to join us?” (or add in for a drink or to discuss something).

This line sounds subtle, and it may be hard to see the value on the surface. But the reason I’ve found it to have changed my game, is that first of all it establishes that you’re friends and the verbal sparring or resistance need not continue, and also it says to the girls “You are being called upon to socialize, so you must tee-up things to say” (as Mystery calls F2M attract or whatever).

So I’ve found that the girls are much more talkative when they come to sit down. I think it also feeds into their stereotype of how they think being picked up ought to go down. Either way, I’ve found the girls to be amazingly receptive to this when they come to sit down, and they aren’t so much in that mode of “I’m leaving as soon as I get bored”, when they’ve consented to come sit down and socialize.

I use the line as soon as I see that they really want me to stay, and I’ll use it on a buying temp spike (them laughing or finding something really intriguing).

If I don’t feel that they’d bite on the offer, but I still want them to sit down because I need a clear space where I can work (I always have a priority to move the girls somewhere comfortable ASAP in every set), then I’ll just oversell the CUBE or lying game or some lameass routine, so that they’ll be forced to sit down. Like “You HAVE to see this. It’s amazing. Check this out”, without asking if they want to or not.

THE EXPANDED BEST FRIENDS TEST:

Briefly:
“You guys are best friends aren’t you. You have the exact same posture. And you have the exact same facial expressions. And the big thing, and I’m not sure if all girls do this or what, but every time you go to talk, or I’m talking to you, or you’re about to do something, you guys keep looking at eachother first”

They bust out laughing as they look at eachother’s posture, then again at their facial expressions, and then of course lastly at the looking at eachother.

You can proceed to analyze you and your wing, and other people, under the same criteria.

Good way to blow open the convo.

As always, great stuff from Tyler. You can read teh original post here.

The Power of Detachment

Senior Fingers, over at the DJ discussion boards, has a series of posts he dubs “Weapons of Mass Seduction” (clever, huh?). Anyway, one post of his caught my eye, entitled “The Power of Detachment.” It goes as follows…

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The Don Juan Art of War

It looks like someone over at the DJ boards translated Sun Tsu’s Art of War to be used in Picking-Up women. It’s a pretty interesting read, especially if you’re a fan of General Tsu’s original work.

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Keeping a Girl Interested

I found this over at the Don Juan Discussion Forum and thought it hit the nail on the head.

otr4 writes:
OK, it’s no “secret,” but here it is:
Give your girl orgasms: she will love you for life and do anything for you.
I gave the girl I’m seeing now an orgasm the first time we had sex. Before we had sex she had explained it is really difficult for her to get off during sex and most guys can NEVER even come close to giving her orgasm…
I told her “I love a challenge!”
I started recently researching male mulitiple orgasms (where you can have an orgasm without ejaculating and last forever). Well, I’ve finally been able to have these types of orgasms and NOW I bust on my girlfriend for getting off WAY before me!! I call her a “two pump chump”– (Talk about stereotype/role reversal here), and she loves it! She knows everytime we have sex she is going to feel pleasure and get off and now she wants it all the time and will do just about anything I request, including letting me bring home another girl to throw in the mix!
GIVE YOUR WOMEN ORGASMS!! Sure, it might take some work and practice and self-education, but it’s the sure fire way to keep yourself in control of the relationship and keep your girl interested. She will never stray if you can keep giving her those waves of pleasure because it’s hard for a girl to find a guy who can do this, so you will be (in her eyes) a a”diamond in the rough”and will never let you go. Good luck.

Yeah, this would seem to be common sense. But lots of guys are so focused on their male lust they can often neglect women’s needs. My buddy MasterClass is a big proponant of keeping a girl hooked by blowing her mind sexually, and I’ve seen how the women he’s with respond to him. It’s really quite amazing.

You can read the whole thread here.

Common Guidelines for Approaching

If we had to pin down probably the HARDEST part of seducing a woman, I think a great majority of guys out there would pin it down to the Approach.

Approaching a woman cold is probably the most difficult hurdle for guys to overcome. But once you get a handle on that, everything becomes much, much easier.

Sirducer put up a post on the General forum of mASF about basic guidelines to keep in mind when approaching. I think it’s pretty good basic stuff, so I’m reposting it here for reference sake.

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The Dreaded “Boyfriend” Line

So we’ve all had the experience of meeting a girl we’ve found attractive, we’ve engaged them, found them receptive and fun, we think we’re in there, just a stone’s throw away from hot monkey lovin’, and then she drops the bomb…

“I’ve got a boyfriend.”

There are various different schools of thought on how to handle the “Boyfriend” objection. I stumbled across a post on mASF about girls bringing up this objection early on in the interaction, and I thought Neo-Rio had a very good analysis of why this happens.

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The Dreaded “Boyfriend” Line

So we’ve all had the experience of meeting a girl we’ve found attractive, we’ve engaged them, found them receptive and fun, we think we’re in there, just a stone’s throw away from hot monkey lovin’, and then she drops the bomb…

“I’ve got a boyfriend.”

There are various different schools of thought on how to handle the “Boyfriend” objection. I stumbled across a post on mASF about girls bringing up this objection early on in the interaction, and I thought Neo-Rio had a very good analysis of why this happens.

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Master AMOG List

jlaix the mellow has composed one hell of a great list of AMOGs. He’d even go as far as to call it a “Master List,” but we all know that to try and do ANYTHING comprehensive in this field is futile. But I’m certainly glad he took the time to compile this stuff for quick and easy reference.

For those of you who don’t know what an AMOG is, the term is pronounced “Ayy-Mog,” and is an acronym for “Alpha Male Other Guy.” It’s funny, because the term can be used as both a Noun and a Verb. The Noun “AMOG” is used to refer to another guy who will come in and blow you out of set by making you seem inferior to him in some respect. This is different from a “Cock Blocker” (or CB) because a Cock Blocker simply ruins your chances with the girls, whereas an AMOG will ruin your chances by STEALING the girls from you.

The Verb form of AMOG is what jlaix is referring to here. The verb “AMOG” is to use a phrase or a routine designed to lower your opponant’s percieved value in the eyes of a girl while raising your value in the process. You’ll often hear PUAs say something like “I AMOGed the dude.” In this respect, the PUA actes as the Alpha Male Other Guy and blew his opponant out of set while stealing the girls for himself.

Anyway, now that that’s out of the way, read on to see the list of phrases that jlaix has compiled to AMOG potential opponants.

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Added Value

So it’s Friday, and I don’t usually update on the weekends (I use that time to go out sarging and catching up on sleep). So I figured I’d make the last update on Friday a special one. That is with an excellent, excellent post from the most POWERFUL of the Jedi — the one, the only — Style.

This guy is so powerful, all he has to do is introduce a new vocab word, and people adopt it as gospel (social robot, anyone?). Anyway, Style chimes in on the Advanced forum of mASF with a post he calls: Added Value.

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The “G-String” Opener

More BadBoy lovin’ today. On the General board of mASF, BadBoy shares with us a great opener to add to your seduction toolbox.

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The “G-String” Opener

More BadBoy lovin’ today. On the General board of mASF, BadBoy shares with us a great opener to add to your seduction toolbox.

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Be Yourself

Croatian PUA BadBoy chimes in with this nice little tip for all you “social robots” out there.

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