The Tao of Poker

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I found a post by someone who goes by the handle of Demilano in the General forum of mASF about inner game. In the thread, he talks about something called “The Tao of Poker” by Larry W. Phillips, and how there are some similarities between the concepts in poker and the concepts in pick-up. I found it to be rather interesting, especially since I like to indulge in the occasional hand of Texas Hold ‘Em every once in a while. =)

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What makes a good Victim?

Robert Green, author of the excellent book The Art of Seduction, had an interesting reply about the “victim” of your seduction, and how to find out the best way to seduce them.

The victim section was never intended to be definitive or gospel. There is an idea contained in the chapter that is the key to the whole thing—finding out what a person is missing in life. The whole inside of them is the key to identifying what type they are. And also, there are probably a million types. I like to see the person you are seducing as an individual, with characteristics that make him or her similar to others.

How you find out what a person is missing is obviously the million dollar question. You have to listen real well, get to know them as best as possible, look at how they dress, the little things they put up in their office, the cars they drive, their nervous response when you bring something up, how they talk about their mother or father, something they keep repeating which you don’t understand why, but seems a clue. As I said, repeating Freud, people ooze clues because they are dying to be seduced.

So I wonder what the girl is missing whenever Jlaix’s “I wanna lick it” tactic gets him to home base? =) You can read the original thread here.

Tyler Phone Game Tip

In a post asking about how long one should wait to call a girl, Tyler Durden responds:

Tyler Durden writes:
Follow up on phone#s ASAP, including the same hour and definetely the next day. This goes against typical social “Wait a bit to call”, which is bullshit that does not account for player style cold approaches.

Call as late as you want, but absolutely remember not to fall into a trap of trying to remind her who you are over and over until she gets it. Instead, state who you are and where you met and then immediately plow into your phone game. “Hey, its Tyler from the Phoenix Club. So check this out……….” That way, even if she doesn’t remember, she’ll be so into you that she’ll show up regardless. If you get stuck trying to remind her, she’ll just keep saying “No, I don’t remember”, and then hang up. If you barrel through it whether she remembers or not, then she’ll get into you and you’ll bypass it.

Good tip. You can read the whole thread here.

Making Girls Chase for Sex

A poster who is quickly becoming a favorite of mine is Nightblue, who I think has been posting a lot of great stuff lately. I had a talk with Tyler recently and he seems to agree that ol’ NB is definitely a guy who’s posts are worth reading. He recently put up a pretty good post about how to make girls chase you for sex in a seduction venue, which I found to be rather intriguing…

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Persistence is Key

Gunwitch has a post up on mASF about the single most important trait a pick-up artist should have, that of PERSISTENCE. I usually don’t agree with much of what Gunwitch writes, but I found this post to be pretty good. I tend to agree that persistence is probably a deciding factor in who gets laid and who doesn’t. I know of some guys out there who get laid simply because they don’t give up! And that’s a good thing.

Anyway, on to Gunwitch’s post…

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Givers & Takers

So there’s a product out there called Advanced Macking which purports to be the “Lazy Man’s Guide to One Night Stands.” I don’t have the product, so I don’t know if it’s quality or it’s shit (most likely the latter), but they did release a recent newsletter which I found pretty interesting, despite all the Don Juan references and jargon…

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Kill Your Desperation

There’s a really, really good post by Pook over at the DJ Discussion Forum about how women can pick-up on desperation in a man and what men can do to get rid of that desperation. It is funny how women have a kind-of 6th sense about that sort of thing (it’s almost as if they can SMELL how horny we are, lol). But then again, when you learn to see the signs, as women have, perhaps it’s not such a mystical thing…

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TD Sequencing

Tyler has an interesting post up that outlines some things that he thinks about while he’s in set. I’m not reposting the WHOLE thing here, just the meat of what his post is about.

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“I’m Tired…”

Tyler Durden chimes in with a good little post about that time-tested excuse “I’m tired.”

Tyler Durden writes:
The “I’m tired” thing is most often an excuse that people will throw up as an excuse for not being able to keep up with the interaction. People are joking around and talking about cool shit, and you’re out-alpha’ed by it and your brain freezes up. So you say “I’m tired” as an excuse.

I use to use it when I was an AFC, to excuse my inability to hold conversations with women. Women also use it on me now all the time. Guys I wing with also wont’ be able to keep up with me, and I’ll see them saying it to the girls.

Nothing is GAINED by saying it. So don’t say it. It won’t make the girl feel like you’re opening up, and it won’t make her feel more connection with you.

I’ve taken the Juggler workshop, and I know his material extremely well. He has some great stuff. When he’s suggesting that you open up the the girl, its under a different context.

BTW, as with all “rules” in the 25 Points post, none of them matter so long as you are congruent with what you’re doing. You can lean in, ask questions, or anything, so long as the girl doesn’t PERCEIVE it as you trying to impress.

Bottom Line: She doesn’t perceive you as having lower status, as a result of your actions.

The 25 Points are just common examples of ways that guys make these kinds of errors. They are not to be taken dogmatically.

I think Tyler is quite right about the whole “I’m tired” line. I know I’ve been guilty of this on more than one occasion. Anyway, this is 1 response in a much longer thread, if you want to read the whole thing, click here.

“I’m Tired…”

Tyler Durden chimes in with a good little post about that time-tested excuse “I’m tired.”

Tyler Durden writes:
The “I’m tired” thing is most often an excuse that people will throw up as an excuse for not being able to keep up with the interaction. People are joking around and talking about cool shit, and you’re out-alpha’ed by it and your brain freezes up. So you say “I’m tired” as an excuse.

I use to use it when I was an AFC, to excuse my inability to hold conversations with women. Women also use it on me now all the time. Guys I wing with also wont’ be able to keep up with me, and I’ll see them saying it to the girls.

Nothing is GAINED by saying it. So don’t say it. It won’t make the girl feel like you’re opening up, and it won’t make her feel more connection with you.

I’ve taken the Juggler workshop, and I know his material extremely well. He has some great stuff. When he’s suggesting that you open up the the girl, its under a different context.

BTW, as with all “rules” in the 25 Points post, none of them matter so long as you are congruent with what you’re doing. You can lean in, ask questions, or anything, so long as the girl doesn’t PERCEIVE it as you trying to impress.

Bottom Line: She doesn’t perceive you as having lower status, as a result of your actions.

The 25 Points are just common examples of ways that guys make these kinds of errors. They are not to be taken dogmatically.

I think Tyler is quite right about the whole “I’m tired” line. I know I’ve been guilty of this on more than one occasion. Anyway, this is 1 response in a much longer thread, if you want to read the whole thing, click here.

We’re Artists, Not Just Craftsmen

The legendary Vince Runza has graced the General boards of mASF with yet another sage post.

Vince Runza writes:
To the Group:
Ideally, every chick you successfully sarge will flip over you. However, the reality many guys here experience is less than ideal. In fact, most guys here came looking for better results than complete failure. Heh, there are guys who’d consider it a major success if they could get a chick to kiss them AND caress their back at the same time!

While there are many different approaches to closing, the measurement standard for success is the !close. However, there are lame !closes and not so lame !closes. Check out the Playettes board for what it’s like for a chick to !close an ALF – Absolutely Lame Fuck. There are guys who need to know that sexual prowess is not measured by blowing your load. It’s measured by how you are remembered by the blowee.

I remember reading a post by a guy who had a chick who was so turned on by him, she’d literally drip her juices on him, in anticipation of what was to come (!). Truly, the best measure of how you’re doing with women is how sexy you are AFTER the first time you both seal the deal.

For those of you who have never had a chick flip over you, make that your next short term goal. Do whatever it takes to achieve it. Read books on sexual technique, get feedback from other guys who know the game, debrief chicks on how they perceive you, and so on. Strive to excel.

After all, we are artists, not just craftsmen.

Good stuff from one of the originals in the community. I think it is important to get your bedroom game up to snuff so you can give the woman you’re with such a wonderful experience that she keeps coming back again and again. It just makes your life so much easier. =)

You can read all of Vince’s thread here.

We’re Artists, Not Just Craftsmen

The legendary Vince Runza has graced the General boards of mASF with yet another sage post.

Vince Runza writes:
To the Group:
Ideally, every chick you successfully sarge will flip over you. However, the reality many guys here experience is less than ideal. In fact, most guys here came looking for better results than complete failure. Heh, there are guys who’d consider it a major success if they could get a chick to kiss them AND caress their back at the same time!

While there are many different approaches to closing, the measurement standard for success is the !close. However, there are lame !closes and not so lame !closes. Check out the Playettes board for what it’s like for a chick to !close an ALF – Absolutely Lame Fuck. There are guys who need to know that sexual prowess is not measured by blowing your load. It’s measured by how you are remembered by the blowee.

I remember reading a post by a guy who had a chick who was so turned on by him, she’d literally drip her juices on him, in anticipation of what was to come (!). Truly, the best measure of how you’re doing with women is how sexy you are AFTER the first time you both seal the deal.

For those of you who have never had a chick flip over you, make that your next short term goal. Do whatever it takes to achieve it. Read books on sexual technique, get feedback from other guys who know the game, debrief chicks on how they perceive you, and so on. Strive to excel.

After all, we are artists, not just craftsmen.

Good stuff from one of the originals in the community. I think it is important to get your bedroom game up to snuff so you can give the woman you’re with such a wonderful experience that she keeps coming back again and again. It just makes your life so much easier. =)

You can read all of Vince’s thread here.

It’s How You Use It

Sexkitten has a little post up on her blog about Men and the subject of their greatest insecurity…

Sexkittten writes:
MAN AND HIS PENIS

Don’t you just hate it, when a man brags about how big and long a penis he has, and how if there were a penis marathon he would win. Then he drops his pants and you wonder, where is it? And beyond that, ten minutes or less of moans and groans, mostly his–is all you get from the deal?

What’s the freaking point? Do I go out looking for a man with the biggest penis? No. Does any of us? I gotta tell you, average works fine for me. I’m weary of men who brags about the size of his penis. One question comes to mind. “But can you fuck?” Do we care about penis size? Yes, but that’s not the point. The point is, if you can’t serve up a big one, don’t say you can. It’s not necessary unless all you’re after is a one night roll in the sack. And you’ll be thought of as a dud anyway if after all that buildup we have to wonder “where is it?” And then only get ten lousy minutes when we were expecting marathon sex.

It’s funny when you brag about the size of your cock, because no matter what you say,or how long you may be, you’re ALWAYS selling yourself short. It’s best if you overexagerate in the OPPOSITE direction. This is a little trick I picked up from listening to Howard Stern over the years.

Howard will constantly talk about how small his dick is, and how he’s hung like a gnat and all that stuff. But if you notice, this joke is so inconsistent with the frame he sets (that of the powerful, dominant, judging male), that the women he talks to always end up QUALIFYING his cock-size for him, saying things like “How-ard…” and “I’m sure it’s fine,” or “It’s a good size…” what have you. Basically, he gets the girls to try and convince HIM that his dick is a good size!

When the subject of dick size comes up in conversations with women, I’ll always talk about how small I am (even though I like to consider myself average). There’s a post on mASF somewhere where Tyler jokes about how his dick is 2 1/2 inches. So I tell girls that my dick is only 2 1/2 inches, and that I actually prefer to think of it as a massive clitoris, as opposed to a small dick, just to make myself feel better.

This will make the girls laugh. And I’ll joke about how if we were naked together, I’d make her all insecure because my clit is WAY bigger than hers. This is a fun way of reframing things and shifting the talk to “sexual.”

Anyway, that’s my 2 1/2 cents on the subject.

It’s How You Use It

Sexkitten has a little post up on her blog about Men and the subject of their greatest insecurity…

Sexkittten writes:
MAN AND HIS PENIS

Don’t you just hate it, when a man brags about how big and long a penis he has, and how if there were a penis marathon he would win. Then he drops his pants and you wonder, where is it? And beyond that, ten minutes or less of moans and groans, mostly his–is all you get from the deal?

What’s the freaking point? Do I go out looking for a man with the biggest penis? No. Does any of us? I gotta tell you, average works fine for me. I’m weary of men who brags about the size of his penis. One question comes to mind. “But can you fuck?” Do we care about penis size? Yes, but that’s not the point. The point is, if you can’t serve up a big one, don’t say you can. It’s not necessary unless all you’re after is a one night roll in the sack. And you’ll be thought of as a dud anyway if after all that buildup we have to wonder “where is it?” And then only get ten lousy minutes when we were expecting marathon sex.

It’s funny when you brag about the size of your cock, because no matter what you say,or how long you may be, you’re ALWAYS selling yourself short. It’s best if you overexagerate in the OPPOSITE direction. This is a little trick I picked up from listening to Howard Stern over the years.

Howard will constantly talk about how small his dick is, and how he’s hung like a gnat and all that stuff. But if you notice, this joke is so inconsistent with the frame he sets (that of the powerful, dominant, judging male), that the women he talks to always end up QUALIFYING his cock-size for him, saying things like “How-ard…” and “I’m sure it’s fine,” or “It’s a good size…” what have you. Basically, he gets the girls to try and convince HIM that his dick is a good size!

When the subject of dick size comes up in conversations with women, I’ll always talk about how small I am (even though I like to consider myself average). There’s a post on mASF somewhere where Tyler jokes about how his dick is 2 1/2 inches. So I tell girls that my dick is only 2 1/2 inches, and that I actually prefer to think of it as a massive clitoris, as opposed to a small dick, just to make myself feel better.

This will make the girls laugh. And I’ll joke about how if we were naked together, I’d make her all insecure because my clit is WAY bigger than hers. This is a fun way of reframing things and shifting the talk to “sexual.”

Anyway, that’s my 2 1/2 cents on the subject.

Threesome, Anyone?

Sir Italian has an excellent post up on his excellent blog about getting your lady to want a threesome.

Sir Italian writes:
How To Make Your Lady Really Want a Threesome

A few of you have asked me to write more on threesomes. There are some typical patterns that happen in the preparation, so I’ll share how I prepared a lady for a threesome. Many of the principles for this can be found in David Shade’s Manual.

BerlinGirl is one of my two MLTRs. I love her: she’s smart, rotzfrech, funny, HSE, HSD, and attractive (175cm, long blonde hair, hard body, cute but not model-like – maybe a 8.5 looks-wise).

In the beginning, she was hesitant to the idea of threesomes – like most women are, when you first bring up the topic. They have to be, as it goes against many social standards: Won’t he get jealous? Isn’t this weird? And, most important of all, won’t I look like a cheap street slut from Panama City?

A good way to start is by sharing some fantasies; this is what David Shade proposes as well. Give her one innocent and one spicey threesome erotic story to read. Give her some time to masturbate to them, while you’re away. This establishes the base, but from my experience, it won’t suddenly make her like the idea.

I like to pedal back and continue with something lighter then. I’ll make a game out of sharing erotic fantasies: She tells one, I tell one a couple of days later. They need the feeling that it’s okay and safe to talk about them, that you won’t burst out laughing, disrespect her in any way for these fantasies, or run off and tell them to her neighbor. Then you’ll be amazed about what they come up with.

So my fantasy was: “I want to see you kiss a girl.” That’s harmless, right? I’ve found this is a good way to start things. And indeed, she heard it, was hesitant, we fucked, and in the afterglow, she admitted she had already kissed her best friend in high school. I think most women have had similar experiences.

To make it even safer, I said: “But I don’t want you to kiss a friend of you. I would get jealeous! I want you to kiss a stranger, a set of disposable lips.”

BerlinGirl was very interested in this. She loved the idea of me selecting a lady for her to kiss.

A day later, we went to a sex shop together, and rented some porn DVDs. Some porn, some glory, for the ladies! Did you ever see a porn movie without female-female scenes? Ha! And believe me, nothing will install the idea of a threesome more effectively than when you fuck her doggy-style while she watches a scene where a man fucks a lady doggy-style and the lady licks another lady!

One of the next nights, we went out to a club, sat down on a cosy sofa, and watched the ladies walking by. We would share what we liked about them and what not. This made her feel that the experience bonded us closer together. When we both agreed that a girl was worthy of the kiss, I would approach her, run normal game, and invite her to sit down with us. We talked about bi-curiousness, BerlinGirl was touching her all over, and at one point, they simply kissed. It was beautiful.

It would have been easy to go further, but after ten minutes, we let the interaction slow down and BerlinGirl and I moved to the bar. That was the first real threesome! And BerlinGirl loved it.

She was now convinced that a threesome would bring us closer together, that she would enjoy it, and that it would be a very normal next step.

The actual act was reduced to going out, finding a lady, bringing her back home, and fucking until exhaustion. I have already talked about that elsewhere, so I’ll direct you to the blogroll for your pornographic joy.

When is Sir Italian just going to come out and admit it? He’s James Bond. Only someone with a liscense to kill could get away with this stuff! lol.

Anyway, lots of good stuff in this post. If you haven’t gotten it already, I HIGHLY recommend checking out the David Shade Manual. It’s probably one of the best little underground books on sexual technique out there. It’s a bit heavy on the Hypno stuff, but there are definitely some good, solid techniques in there, which Sir Italian seems to exploit whenever he gets the chance. =)

You can check out David Shade’s Manual here.

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