It’s not what you say…

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Badboy wrote a post on his forums about how it’s not what you say, rather, it’s how you say it that’s important.

Badboy writes:
PU is not routines,PU is not canned material….
there is no way you’ll take somebody material, and be successfull as owner of material…
delivery of routines is much more important then just story-routine you say!!!
when I say delivery
I mean, control of your voice
how much you express emotions in your speech
that was what was my friend cortez was saying.
He knows how good I can bullshit, thats full interesting to listen, but again I say nothing,…
few weeks ago, I went to day2 with some girl, and talked abour croatian going to EU( politics) really most boring material…
But delivery was like I was telling how I jumped from airplane with parachite!! full OF EMOTIONS
now, here is homework for you:

take a DonJuan de Marco movie, and take a look Delivery he has!!!(I am on his level almost)
listen eminem songs…take a look how he colors his lyrics with emotions(hate-love)
watch James bond, his delivery and how cool he is, but again attracted…
work on your storytelling…..when you tell a story, it must be emotional trip for person who listen it!!!EMOTIONS, DETAILS…not boring facts!!!!
Use your fucking face to express emotions, do not play ‘stone face’….
chicks, they love emotions…

You know, I have mixed feelings about this post, especially after my recent rant about Knowing Your Material. I think Badboy brings up some good points, but is also dismissing some important things…

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Most Important Thing in PU

Everyone’s favorite Croatian Pick-Up Artist chimes in with his latest musings on what he considers the most important thing in PU… that elusive thing we like to call RAPPORT!

Badboy writes:
see lot of problems in this community, even with guys who are good with girls…

We all know how to get attraction using C&F…. and other methods… but main problem here is RAPPORT…thats where lay actually is….
Its really easy to get attraction it takes 5-10 minutes, but for a good rapport….. huh….up to 2 hours
If you dont create good rapport, if you pull chick home on high stage of rapport, you have lot of problems like LMR….which again takes few hours to solve…it knows to be fun sometimes
But main prolbem here with guys who already know how to attract, is not knowing wen to switch to rapport….
They continue to C&F her, even when chick already wants you….and then by ball busting her, he is sending wrong messages
like”you cant connect with this guy, he is too much fun”
”I like him, but he doesnt wants me… this is game for him”
”he doesnt want to connect with me”
here in community guys call this effect OVERGAMING HER…. hmmm…I agree and disagree…. just for example if you go to
porsche store to buy new carrera, and guy in store(seller) is making fun of you, ballbusting you…. and you are whole time asking rapport questions(how much it cost, how fast it is..etcetc) and guy is C&F you like(its too much for you…you dont have money for it)… ofcourse you’ll be there for 5-10 minutes, then you’ll leave cause guy doesnt want to sell you new carrera…no matter how much you wanted car..onend, you lose all attraction for that car, cause od that stupid seller in store
same thing happens when you are using C&F too much…she is thinking… wtf?? This guy doesnt wants me…fuck off.. next…
RAPPORT SWITCH is crutial to have…when you see she likes you, and she start to dig rapport with you, by asking questions….STOP all C&F, gp low energy, appear more interested into her, change your voice(deeper)….
And give her rapport and fuck her
Its really important to know how to create it.. you cant have smile on face, and appear disinterested(active disinterest) in rapport stage
Why?? Cause you appear like it you DONT give a fuck about connecting with her…thats WRONG..
Your energy much change 100% when you notice IOI, actually rapport indicator
IOI =indicator of interest for YOU= I want you = I want CONNECT with you = I WANT rapport with you
So when you see IOI’s that means she is sending signal that wants to connect with you…so when you see IOIs that means you need to go to RAPPORT stage.
It can be after 1min, after 5min, after 15… depense how good you are(confidence , delivery, stories and material you use..)
So tip of day…
When you notice IOI’s…change whole energy of PU, go low energy, more serious… create deep &wide rapport..

Silly rabbit. MINE’99 invented rapport back in LA’99.

But should you want to continue to blaspheme, you can check out the whole thread here.

Know Your Material!

Okay, listen up you humps! I gots me some words o’ wisdom for ya.

KNOW YOUR MATERIAL!

Seriously, guys, this is important stuff. I think the line between failure and success is crossed by guys who know their material as opposed to guys who just “wing” it.

When you think about it, this is true in all areas of life, right? Let’s say you want to be an accountant. you have to know math, right? You have to know all the different accounts there are in the business. You have to know how to keep records. You have to know everything there is to know about taxes. You have to know how to work a calculator and a computer. You gotta save reciepts. In short, you gotta know your shit! That can be said for ANY profession out there.

What if you guys spent as much time memorizing and rehersing the material you see here as you did memorizing and rehersing the skills you needed for your current profession. Do you think you’d start to see results?

So many guys out there are boring snubs. They have nothing interesting to say. A lot of what we study in thsi community is based off of what Naturals do. Guys who are naturally good with women are GREAT storytellers. They may not be aware of it, but they are. I had a buddy of mine in college who was a great story teller. And each time he’d tell a story, it’d get better and better, and more and more elaborate, until it was one of the greatest stories you ever heard.

That’s what we do. We learn stories to engage other people. Some people think it’s “fake” or “unnatural” to learn canned material to repeat to women. The thing is, Naturals do the EXACT SAME THING, they just aren’t aware they’re doing it whereas we are. That’s the only difference, really. But if you don’t know your material, you’re destined to keep floundering on your road to pink abundance.

So what material do you need to know? This is a question I get asked a lot. In my opinion, every PUA worth his salt needs to have 3 things:

1. A Structure
2. An Understanding of Concepts
3. Memorized Routines

I’ll deal with these in order. The first is structure. If you don’t know where to go in the interaction with the girl, you’re going to lose her. If you know what you have to do and where you want to take your target, you’re going to have a much greater chance of getting her there. The best structure, in my opinion, is currently The Mystery Method. It’s an excellent break-down of how interactions should be played.

The second thing is Concepts. Obviously, you need to know what you’re doing and why it works. All the structure in the world won’t get you anywhere if you can’t grasp the concepts you need to employ in order to get that structure to work. Personally, I think Swinggcat has some amazing concepts that when employed, are incredibly effective. Things like “Tension Loops,” “Intentional Undermining,” “Reality Sucking,” and “Meaning Coups” are quite effective techniques to understand.

If the Concepts are the broadstrokes, the Routines are the scalpel/percision strikes. Routines spring from Concepts, and are the things that will get you your desired result. For my money, Tyler Durden has some of the best routines and continues to come up with great ones on a daily basis. The problem with routines is you gotta MEMORIZE them, and if you don’t understand the purpose behind them, what they are meant to do, and where they fit in your overall interaction, they aren’t going to work.

So there you go. Three things you HAVE TO know if you want to get good at this stuff. Are there more? Of course there are. But I think those three things are the fundamentals you need to get down first if you wanna see progress fast.

It’s my opinion. Take it for what it’s worth. =)

A Map for Seduction

Sir Italian has a great little graphic up on his site that maps out a cognitive model for seduction. It’s pretty neat, and definitely worth checking out. You can view it here.

How’s Your Current Game?

Nightblue has a great post up (IMHO) about his current game and what he does to prepare himself for the ladies.

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The Four Best Openers

The incomparable ijjjjji has a post up about his four best openers.

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Neutral Rapport

Some people may have been wondering more about what “Neutral Rapport” from my write-up on TD’s Masters speech. Well, Afc1234 elaborated a bit on TD’s three models of rapport.

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Energies of Good & Evil

This post by Tyler isn’t really too focused on tactics, but I think it’s a great post none the less. It has a lot to do with energy and how it affects us and others around us. I don’t know about you guys, but I do believe in energy. I think it’s something that’s present in every day life and you can see it and feel it.

Sure, this pushes the boundary of crazy new-age wu-wu, but regardless, I think there’s some great information in this post. And Tyler’s analytical writing style gives you lots and lots to think about.

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Reverse Shit-Testing

Tyler has a little post up about a Reverse Shit Test he uses that seem pretty cool. It’s a very subtle, but powerful tactic, and one I think worth checking out.

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Being Good Looking

With the recent hub-bub about the pictures on the site and some people saying that these guys are relying on their looks to get chicks, I found it approptiate that Tyler posted a huge thread on being good looking and how it relates to Picking Up women vs. your skillset.

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Stop Staying In Your Comfort Zone

In my book The Art of Approaching I talk about how someone’s “comfort zone” can be your undoing when it comes to getting the kind of women you desire. In fact, it’s this very same comfort zone that can be DETRIMENTAL to your development as a PUA. So the more you can do to get out of it, the better.

I found a post on the Don Juan Discussion Boards about tricks to get out of this comfort zone by a guy who calls himself StuartSan, and I thought he had quite a good couple things to say, though his thinking is that instead of breaking out of your comfort zone, you conquer your fears and extend that comfort zone to include that which you used to have a hard time doing. It’s a novel concept, and an idea that really sparks some interest in me.

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Indian Pick-Up Artists

If there’s one complaint I’ve heard the most, it’s from Indian guys who wanna get white chicks, but think that it’s impossible because they’re Indian (and by Indian, I mean of India decent, not Native American). But personally, i think a lot of this is a personal barrier most of these guys project into their reality. I know there are Indian guys out there who can Pick-Up, and I bet they can Pick-Up white chicks too.

If you don’t believe me, there’s a whole thread on the Don Juan Discussion Forum by Indian PUAs. I suggest you check it out if this is a topic of interest to you.

How to be Cooler than Other Guys

John Kennedy (no, not the dead President) has a pretty good post over on the Playboy Central forum about how to be cooler than other guys.

John Kennedy writes:
***A fast and preventable way that you can loose status/attraction with a girl you already have it with is to be out alfa’d by another guy or group of guys. Here’s a few ways I’ve come up with or read, to ensure this doesn’t happen to me.

1) Body Language. May seem obvious, but I concentrate on taking up even more space than I usually do, which is a lot. I take a super-wide stance like some CEO talking to his line workers. Ill only use hand gestures that indicate power and draw attention while I’m speaking. I typically use a lot of pointing but with my whole hand which encourages approval from the group even if they don’t agree.

2) Communication. Look directly into every guy’s eye that is in the group every time you speak. If you hold it for a longer amount of time than is comfortable for a typical social setting and it gets to be a tuff guy starring contest, give a little smirk and nod like the two of you are agreeing on something and 90% of the time the guy will smile/smirk back. Talk as loud and deep as you can while maintaining a comfortable delivery. Lastly, don’t ever let anyone interrupt you, but if you feel like it, interrupt one of them. When someone tries to interrupt you either stop and say excuse me, and correct their mistake or just talk over them. What you have to say is far more important than anything any of them can possibly have to say.

3) Intent. When you’re trying to impress people, it shows whether you think it does or not. Don’t worry about if what you have to say is going to make a good impression, just say it like its 100% true and agreed upon regardless. Don’t agree with anything the other guy/s have to say unless you actually do.

- Finally, the quickest thing you can do to indicate superiority over a guy is to pat him on the shoulder while you’re speaking. In a group, pick the ring-leader and do it to him while you’re saying something funny. This will help put you not only above him, but also his boys. Watch out though, unless your completely congruent with this and also use total alfa attitude, you may piss guys off, especially if their alfa themselves.

- I’m interested if any of you have any other ideas you use in this situation.

Short, sweet, and simple. You can read the original post here.

It’s all about the hair — Jlaix Style!

So I know what you’re thinking. You’re thinking “Thundercat, I wanna be good with the ladies. But I’m not sure how to make myself look attractive to the opposite sex. What would Jlaix do if he were in my shoes?”

Well, according to Tyler Durden, the secret to Jlaix’s Samson-like power is his super-tall hair.

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The Sopranos go Gunwitch

I love the Sopranos, it’s one of my favorite shows on TV (I only watch HBO anymore, don’t have time for the other stations). A lot of people tell me I look like James Gandafini, the guy who plays Tony Soprano, so that also interests me how he comes across and is portrayed on the show, because his character has an interesting way of interacting with women. Last night, there was an episode where Tony seduces his wife Carmella (who is in the process of divorcing him) while swimming with her in the pool. The scene is a pretty good one, but to watch the way Tony gets her, you can see him drop into his “sexual state.” The way he looks at her is different, the way he talks changes, his body language changes, etc. And whenever she tries to resist him, he just becomes more aggressive and pushes past that resistence while amping up the sexual stuff.

I found it a very interesting scene to watch, because it was totally believable. And yet, here’s this fat ugly dude pulling it off. Being a fat, ugly slob myself, this gives me a frame of reference in a way to see how something like that can be pulled off by guys who don’t look like Brad Pitt. I think it also gave me a better understanding of what exactly Gunwitch Method is and how it is implemented.

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