PUA Poll #1 Results

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Okay, well, I gave it three days so it’s time to render the results of the first PUA Poll on the Lair.  Some of you didn’t follow the instructions and voted for more than one method (you know who you are!).  But I decided to count the votes anyway, since I didn’t feel like disqualifying the posts of those people who took the time to reply.  =)

Anyway, the results are as follows:

High Status Male — 1 vote
Seduction Science — 1 vote
The James Method — 2 votes
SS — 3 votes
Badboy Method — 3 votes
Gunwitch Method — 4 votes
Double Your Dating — 4 votes
Mystery Method — 5 votes
Swinggcat/Real World Seduction — 5 votes

and the winner of the poll is…

Real Social Dynamics — 8 votes

I’d like to point out that RSD also got the most votes from the people who DID follow the guidelines and only chose 1 method.  Looks like TD and crew are doing something right.  =)

Style’s Girlfriends

I found a post as I was surfing through mASF entitled "Style has 12 GFs, how does he do it?  Managing HBs."  I found this quite funny.  For those guys who were at the PUA Summit in LA recently, you’ll probably know what this title is referring to, since Style had about 6 of his ladies show up during his speech.

Asking how Style has 12 girlfriends is like asking Pai Mei to teach you the 5 point palm exploding heart technique.  Only those who truely deserve the knowledge will eventually attain it after years of grueling training at the cruel hand of Style.  Much mental and physical torture must be endured to truely appreciate what it takes to achieve such a level of social mastery.

Right now I’m dealing with three girls, and the sheer logistics of that alone is something that is almost overwhelming for me.  I can’t imagine dealing with 12.  But the notion of how to manage multiple long term relationships and multiple partners is an interesting one, and it’s primirilly what this thread is dealing with.

There’s not too much good information in the thread.  I just liked the title.  There is a reason why Style is the most powerful of the jedi, after all.

On a Personal Note…

I had a great weekend this last week.  I really didn’t do too much in the way of PUA really, but it was very relaxing and very much a "Mental Health Vacation."  I did a lot of solo stuff, going out in Pasadena on Friday night and hitting up Santa Monica on Saturday.  Had a few good approaches with girls, nothing too special.  I ended up seeing both Kill Bill Vol. 2 and The Punisher this weekend.  All I can say is Kill Bill was AWESOME!  Better than the first one.  I enjoyed The Punisher as well, but that’s probably because I was a fan of the comic and not in the mood for thinking while I was watching it.  =)

The Sopranos this weekend was really good.  I loved the subplot with Christopher and his AA buddy.  Classic.  Deadwood wasn’t all too exciting, but I find the characters in that show so interesting that it’s hard to be bored by it.  I also caught the new Chris Rock special "Never Scared."  Not as funny as "Bigger and Blacker," but still good.  If there are any guys out there who want to improve their sense of humor, study Chris Rock.  He’s at his funniest when he talks about male/female relationships and truisms.  Watch how he talks about them to get a sense of what people find funny — namely, the stuff we all know but no one wants to verbalize.  Great stuff.

As far as those who wanted to know about my field-rejected Kill Bill routine, well, I’m not gonna share it.  Maybe at some point in the future I may if I recieve a large enough bribe, but I will tell you there’s a reason why it’s "field-rejected," so I’ll save you all the misery of reading it (though its true nature cannot be appreciated until you see it in person, lol).

Okay, enough silly rants about reality distractions.  Back to Pick-Up & Seduction.  =)

PUA Poll

Okay, since it’s a bit slow today I figured I’d try something I’ve been thinking about for a while and conduct the site’s first official "Poll," so to speak.  I’d like to get a consensus on a few topics, and figure now is as good a time as any to try it out.

Okay, so for today’s first poll, I was inspired by a post on the mASF boards that said that fast-seduction is really only comprized of 2 methods: Gunwitch and Mystery/RSD Method.  So here is the question:

Which of the following methods do you think is the most effective?

1.  Double Your Dating
2.  High Status Male
3.  BadBoy Method
4.  Gunwitch Method
5.  Mystery Method
6.  Real Social Dynamics/TD
7.  Swinggcat/Real World Seduction
8.  The James Method
9.  Seduction Science
10.  SS

The rules of the poll are:  You can only pick 1 choice.  Please post your vote in the "Comments" section, with a brief description as to why you think it is the best method.  The poll will go on until Monday where I’ll determine the winner by popular vote.

Let the games begin!

Phone game crap

I was on the phone today with a girl.  I’ve been "sort of" seeing her for a while now, and we talk on the phone pretty reguarly.  Tonight was probably our longest conversation, since we’re usually so busy.  She was upset about something that happened to her at work and spent 98% of the conversation using me as her emotional tampon.  At first I was making some jokes about her situation, and she’d laugh, but then she’d get right back into talking about how bad her day was.  I really didn’t want to hear about it, but she seemed dead set on venting.  So I turned it around by becoming an authority on the problem she was having and told her how to handle it.

This girl responds REALLY well to me taking a strong lead.  I can remember one time I left her a message telling her that she MUST call me back a certain time, not a minute later, not a minute sooner, and you know what?  She did.  She told me how she likes it when I tell her what to do (ah, the possibilities!).

Anyway, I found it interesting because back in my AFC days, I’d have let her drone on and on about what was grieving her and try to relate to her situation.  But by the end of me telling her what she had to do, she was ready to move on to more enjoyable topics, which I obliged by doing a few guided visualizations with her.

Back in my SS days, I did this a lot on the phone.  I don’t really do too much hypno-stuff anymore, but I busted out the old skillset, dropped my tonality, changed the pacing of my voice, and did the "Ideal Vacation" thing with her.  I figured a girl who likes guidance this much would go gaga over one of these visualization things.  Turns out I was right.  =)

This one’s getting close, boys.  I’ts not "fast seduction" per say, but it’s low maintenence and fun.  I’d be curious to hear about other people’s phone games, and the stuff they do with women.  After a while I just tend to drop all routines and be myself (usually after the 3rd phone convo).  Let me know if you guys got any tricks.

Kiss Me, Kill Bill…

Kill Bill Vol. 2 is coming out today.  I am psyched!!!!  I loved Vol. 1 (it also gave me one of my WORST routines ever. 100% field rejected, but it taught me alot =)

I hear this one is going to be less "action" and more "Cool Tarantino dialogue" oriented.  Everyone I’ve heard from who’s seen it has told me it’s better than the first one, so I think I’m in for a treat.

How does this relate to Pick-Up?  It doesn’t.  Slow news day.  =)

Cutting through the bullshit

Lifeforce had a really excellent post over on the Don Juan message boards about a paradime shift he had in his way of thinking, that I feel might be something that others who study this stuff may eventually go through at some point in their development.  Its a bit of a touchy-feely post, but I think it hits a few fundamental points that should be addressed.

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What’s up with Mailbags?

You know, I check out a lot of sites that have to do with dating and seduction for my daily reading.  I enjoy the message boards the most because they all have such a varied and different perspective on things, and those are usually the places where the best material is found.

Then you got the other sites with untold Dating Guru’s writing article after article.  But the thing is, they aren’t really articles.  They’re mailbags.

Most people in the community know what mailbags are, thanks to David DeAngelo and his infamous newsletters.  Mailbags are when people write in to the Guru of their choice, asking for help, and then said Guru responds.  The thing is, as I look around the internet, all I seem to find is mailbag after mailbag of advice when it comes to dating.

So my queston is:  What good is this to me?

Mailbags are usually so personalized to the person who’s writing in, that any advice the Guru could share ceases to be of any real use to anyone other than the person who originally wrote them.  I guess this is the "Dear Abbey" school of thought where she actually made a CAREER of publishing people’s letters in the newspaper and giving them watered down "feel good" advice.

The thing is, back when Dear Abbey started, there was no one around who did that.  It was novel to get to see your letter in the paper along with some advice from a so-called "expert."  But with the advent of the Internet, information and advice from people MUCH MORE experienced and qualified to help with problems is right at your fingertips.

So why do we still need mailbags?

I personally never read mailbags, because frankly, I’ve read enough of them to know that there’s little, if any good advice to be gained from doing so.  At least people like David D., Mystery, and Swinggcat send out essays every now and then.  THOSE I get a lot from.  But these other people… well, it’s just busy work.  It’s just loads upon loads of crap they churn out to try and get their name on Askmen.com or something.

The thing is, I look at mailbags as laziness at it’s finest.  Rather than sit around and develop new theories and ideas, or maybe even talk about real life field experience, the "Love Doctors" would rather rev-up their armchairs and answer questions from the clueless masses about all sorts of useless crap that hardly helps the people who’s letters they are answering, let alone anyone else.

Is this just me?  Am I the only one who doesn’t like mailbags?  Maybe I’m missing something, I don’t know.  But I’d personally rather read the longest, most spastic and hap-hazard Tyler post than your average mailbag.

What’s up with Mailbags?

You know, I check out a lot of sites that have to do with dating and seduction for my daily reading.  I enjoy the message boards the most because they all have such a varied and different perspective on things, and those are usually the places where the best material is found.

Then you got the other sites with untold Dating Guru’s writing article after article.  But the thing is, they aren’t really articles.  They’re mailbags.

Most people in the community know what mailbags are, thanks to David DeAngelo and his infamous newsletters.  Mailbags are when people write in to the Guru of their choice, asking for help, and then said Guru responds.  The thing is, as I look around the internet, all I seem to find is mailbag after mailbag of advice when it comes to dating.

So my queston is:  What good is this to me?

Mailbags are usually so personalized to the person who’s writing in, that any advice the Guru could share ceases to be of any real use to anyone other than the person who originally wrote them.  I guess this is the "Dear Abbey" school of thought where she actually made a CAREER of publishing people’s letters in the newspaper and giving them watered down "feel good" advice.

The thing is, back when Dear Abbey started, there was no one around who did that.  It was novel to get to see your letter in the paper along with some advice from a so-called "expert."  But with the advent of the Internet, information and advice from people MUCH MORE experienced and qualified to help with problems is right at your fingertips.

So why do we still need mailbags?

I personally never read mailbags, because frankly, I’ve read enough of them to know that there’s little, if any good advice to be gained from doing so.  At least people like David D., Mystery, and Swinggcat send out essays every now and then.  THOSE I get a lot from.  But these other people… well, it’s just busy work.  It’s just loads upon loads of crap they churn out to try and get their name on Askmen.com or something.

The thing is, I look at mailbags as laziness at it’s finest.  Rather than sit around and develop new theories and ideas, or maybe even talk about real life field experience, the "Love Doctors" would rather rev-up their armchairs and answer questions from the clueless masses about all sorts of useless crap that hardly helps the people who’s letters they are answering, let alone anyone else.

Is this just me?  Am I the only one who doesn’t like mailbags?  Maybe I’m missing something, I don’t know.  But I’d personally rather read the longest, most spastic and hap-hazard Tyler post than your average mailbag.

Easter Dinner with AFCs

You know, learning a lot of these PUA tactics really takes a toll on you.  It’s very much like the movie Fight Club, where the real world gets the volume turned down and you begin to see and respond to the world in a different light.  Lately, I’ve been spending a lot of time with my friends in the community, guys who study this Pick-UP stuff almost as voraciously as I do (and some who study it WAY more than I do).  And when you’re in that reality, where a typical night is spent breaking down EVERY SINGLE interaction you had with people, you begin to believe that you’ve figured out certain things about how society REALLY is, and how completely clueless other people are.

This last Sunday, I had dinner with really two good friends of mine.  One is my best friend from high school.  The other is a good friend from college.  They both know each other through me, and became good friends, so it was the three of us just haning out.  Of course, neither of these guys know anything about the Pick-Up Arts, or that I do this stuff in my spare time either.  But they both have known me long enough that they know the OLD me.  The bitter, fat cuss who resented women, and would be way too shy to talk to girls.  The typical AFC.

This Sunday, when we went to enjoy Easter Dinner together, was a very surreal experience for me.  It was like my reality had changed and completely left theirs behind.  I approached something like 7 women while I was with these guys, all of them hot, and they would just stand there and watch as I interacted with these girls on a level they probably have never witnessed before in their lives (and I’m not even that GOOD with this stuff yet!  lol).

They kept talking about how much I’ve changed.  They were complimenting me on my look, my dress, my outging nature… they told me I was so "Hollywood," which I guess is as good a compliment as any, seeing as how I love this town.  But the wierd thing is that I never noticed how BETA my friends were before.  I was doing a lot fo frame control in the group, kind-of laying out what the day was going to be, controlling the conversation, making them qualify to me a bit.  It’s amazing to see how most guys respond to these tactics, because with a strong enough frame, you can get guys to do the same thing you can get chicks to do when it comes to taking a strong lead.

I’ve noticed this at work as well.  My coworkers will often just do what they’re told, even by a subordinate like me, if someone says something with enough authority.

I guess it’s just interesting to me how these skills can really change you in ways you never expected.  I still like my friends and have a good time when I go out with them, but it’s a VERY different feeling than it used to be.

The Dark Side of AMOGs

You know, I think one of the greatest advancements in this Pick-up stuff recently has been the addition of AMOG (Alpha Male Other Guy) tactics.  It’s such an important thing to know how to do, because inevitably, you’re going to be engaged in a set that involves men who are in competition to get your targets.

One thing I’m often asked about AMOG tactics are by guys who are afraid of getting in fights with other guys.  The fact of the matter is, most guys don’t want to fight.  They’re as afraid of getting fucked up as you are, and for the most part, people are civilized and would rather move on and have a good time than ruin everyone’s night by causing a scene.  So for the most part, AMOGing is a rather peaceful and effective tactic.

But there are those occasions where the guy you’re AMOGing is such a braindead macho shitbag, that his instinct to throw down overpowers all logical and social reason, that he’s going to want to fight you.  This is what happened to me last night.

I was basically out at a club with some friends of mine, and a girl comes up to my buddy (he had opened her earlier in the night) and starts talking to him.  I see she’s with a guy, some fuckin’ Argentinian gangbanger who’s got a distinct "drug dealer" vibe to him.  You know the type — decked out in Urban Outfitter wear, with a gold chain, and a greasy goatee with a whisp of a mustache like he hasn’t fully reached puberty yet.  And he’s sitting at his table, eyeing my buddy like he’s the anti-christ, stewing in his own anger at the fact that the girl he’s with isn’t into him.

So he gets to his feet and tries to step up to my friend with the pattented:

"Oh, what?  You’re like a player, motherfucker?  You trying to move in on my woman?"

Of course the girl tries to keep him at bay, and like a good PUA, my buddy agrees with him, saying "Dude, you’re so right.  You’re so smart and observant.  But I could never compete with you, bro.  You’re a much better man than I am."

Of course, this guy’s synapses stopped firing long ago, so anything my buddy said would only make him angrier.  He started saying stuff like "You wanna step to this?" or "C’mon bitch.  Let’s take this outside."

I stepped in and tried to help by telling my friend "Oh, dude, this guy’s too tough.  He’ll kick your ass.  Best let it go, he’ll drive you into the ground."

Of course, this only enraged the moron more, but now he was fixated on me.  He started calling me a "fucking skinhead" and trying to start shit, even though I’m about 5 inches taller than him and outweigh the featherweight by a good 100 lbs.

Security ended up stepping in as he started trying to lay his hands on me and my buddy.  But the security at the club was so fuckin’ stupid they didn’t kick the guy out, and he kept following me around trying to start shit.  Eventually, his buddy (who was on parole, by the way) had to drag him away to keep the police from getting involved because it looked like things were gonna come to blows.

The thing is, I think most guys need to be ready for this type of situation.  I’ve taken martial arts in the past, and knowing how to defend yourself is definitely a plus.  Knowing when to walk away is good, but if it’s a case like this where the guys is ACTIVELY trying to fight you, it’s best to stand your ground and be ready to fight.

There are a few things that I think are important to do in these situations:

1.  Never turn your back on an aggressive AMOG.
2.  Never break eye contact with the AMOG.
3.  Position your body so you look like you’re ready to fight.
4.  Do not say a single fucking word.

Let me expound on these points a bit…

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Girl Humor

You know, I find it interesting how easily ammused most girls can be.  I can remember when I was a little kid, I used to go to a barber, who was a pretty attractive woman, to get my hair cut.  And while she was cutting my hair, she’d tell all these lame-ass jokes.  And she loved me because I knew a bunch of lame-ass jokes too, which were really cutting edge in the 3rd grade, you know?  But it seems most girls continue to love this level of humor.  Maybe it’s their maternal instinct to love all things that are somewhat juvenile, I don’t know.  But I do know it’s an interesting phenomenon that I’ve been capitalizing on a lot lately.

One of my favorite openers to use is the Gay Cow Opener, which is a form of a Joke Opener (if you don’t know what that is, it’s in my book the Art of Approaching, along with other examples of Joke Openers).  I used it about four times tonight on various different women, and a funny thing happened… they started telling ME jokes.  And the thing is, the jokes were just as bad, if not WORSE than the Gay Cow joke, yet the girl’s all LOVED them.

I think these silly jokes are a form of chick crack, as Tyler puts it.  Simply telling a stupid, simple joke will quickly engage a girl, make her laugh, and get her to try and match you with a semi-funny quip.  I’m thinking about maybe next time this happens just looking at her with a dead stare and saying "That’s not funny," or something to see how she reacts.  Might be a good way to get her to qualify to me.  Who knows?

Anyway, just to give you an idea, here’s just a sample of Girl Humor, which I got from one of my targets tonight:

What do you call a Gay Dinosaur?  A Dino-sore-ass.

Is it any wonder why we find women are so puzzling?  =)

Recap of Australian DYD Seminar

Well, Tyler has posted a review of his on mASF about the most recent DYD seminar in Australia.  I know the guys all had fun down there, and DYD seminars are quickly becoming big events in the community.  I know that the next one here in LA is looking to be a veritable SUPERBOWL of PUA with some of the best guys from around the world coming in to attend.  I, of course, still have not recieved my invitation, but that’s okay, I’m not bitter… yet.  =)

Anyway, here’s Tyler’s recap.  Keep in mind, it might be a bit biased because Tyler is in good with David DeAngelo, but I don’t feel that makes it any less relevant, especially to people who may be interested in taking a DYD seminar in the near future (which I would recommend, btw).

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Your Thoughts on the PUA Summit

Well, it seemed like enough guys at the LA PUA summit read my blog, so I’m making this post because I’d like it if everyone who was in attendance would post their experiences, thoughts, and comments here about how the Summit went, what the speakers were like, and what kind of adventures everyone got into down here in LA-LA Land.

I look forward to reading what you guys think (even if it’s bad stuff).  =)

LA PUA Summit 2004

Well, the 2004 Los Angeles Pick-Up Artist Summit was this past weekend here in LA.  The proceedings were held in the Project Hollywood Mansion with some of the biggest names in the business present, along with a healthy number of ASFers who came out special for the event.

The Summit technically started on Saturday, but Friday night is when it really started in my opinion.  I was over at the mansion for a bit on Friday (I only planned to say a few minutes) and I ended up staying there the whole night and going out to sarge.

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