Great Anti-Slut-Defense Reframe
February 15, 2010 by Thundercat
Filed under Tips & Tricks
TVA Oslo over on the mASF forums has a great tip for getting past a girl’s last-minute Anti-Slut Defense (ASD). Check it out:
TVA Oslo writes:
Most ASD is due to her being affraid of what her friend thinks of her when she does a sexual act. A girl can avoid having sex with you because she is very affraid of what her entourage will think of it. Most men love bragging (I do too, but I never tell who I fucked, so it doesn’t count, I just say I fucked a girl). Men brags, girlfriends find out about it, especially in social cirles. But this one will also work in non-social circle settings.
Fact is. If none of her friends knows about anything you’ve done with a girl, they won’t judge your sweatheart.
This technique is a way to show her that you will not tell her friends. It’s very simple. Everyone can do it right now. No risks!
Here is what you do.
When you know it’s on, almost close to getting a lay (around final escalations, or at a point were things are turning VERY sexual) and you feel you don’t have controle of the ASD (like she does have ASD symptoms or actually get an ASD kick), try this:TVA: What ever happen tonight between us… please do me a favor.
HB: Which
TVA: Don’t tell ANYONE about it okey
HB: (100% guarrantee she will complie on this one) No I won’t
TVA: I don’t want anyone to know anything about my private life. There is nothing wrong with you, but I like to keep things for myself… can you promise me that?
HB: Yeah
TVA: really! I beg you to do it
HB: I will
TVA: thanks you are lovely (go kino… reward good behaviour with horniness remember… no more ASD… gogogo)Girls are affraid of what her friend will think of her. By proving you will not tell anyone, is a good way to get rid of the ASD. By begging her to not tell anyone, you are the one who cares about it. You reframed it. You are the one who don’t want anyone to know about what you do in private. This projects that you will not tell anyone since you are the one begging her to keep quiet about it. Pretty easy concept right?
Tell me if you don’t understand. I think you will, but you never know.
A pitfall is (even if they are rare):
TVA: What ever happen tonight between us… please do me a favor…
HB: It won’t happen anything tonight (clear sign of no sexual attraction, but if you want to keep trying, keep reading)
TVA: I am not saying it will, but people have that magical process, when they lose controle of their horniness, nothing wrong with that, it’s awesome, it just happens you know.Completly okey I just want to make sure that if that happen, it happens in good conditions and we keep it secret. (and on and one to sexual reframing, DAFS in advanced in the archive on this technique)Gogo escalation… no more ASD.
Have fun!
One important thing to note about this post is the re-frame here. For those of you new to the game, think of it like this… the girl has a “frame of mind” that there are negative connotations to sleeping with you. Hense the “anti-slut defense” popping up. This post gave a great example of how to “re-frame” that objection to you sleeping with her. In essence, you frame the situation in a different way that makes it okay for her to do what you want her to.
Re-framing is a great way to get around ANY objection a girl has. Good salesmen re-frame all the time. Whenever a customer objects to something, they re-frame it so it becomes a benefit as opposed to an objection.
What TVA Oslo does here is he reframes the situation so that the girl knows whatever happens between them will remain intimate and private. So she doesn’t have to worry about word getting out that she may have partaken in “slutty” behavior amongst her friends. But he frames it in such a way where privacy and intimacy is IMPORTANT to him! He’s basically taking what the girl feels she needs and adopting it for himself. Very slick here.
Can you guys think of any other good reframes for common objections?
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As a matter of fact, yes! I can…
Why are women afraid of their friends finding out? Why does the ASD exist? Simply because in our society a woman is perceived to be a slut when she was sexually active with several people in a short period of time.
Men on the other hand, are considered to be “THE” man when they get loads of women in a weekend.
The result: women aren’t allowed to express the same sexual freedom, to express the same sexual nature as men in today’s society…
That doesn’t mean they don’t HAVE the same sexual nature as men though! Women probably crave sex more than men do, simply because forbidden fruit tasted better than the allowed one.
This means that society is NOT fair to women and their sexual nature for reasons that aren’t clear to me… and I think that should change.
So, a good way to reframe ANY possible asd, to get more same night lays and so on… is by communicating these facts to women upfront. I’m not kidding… if you tell the same story I just told you to a woman?
She’ll love you for it, because you indirectly communicate to her that you don’t mind a woman who had a one night stand or two, who has had several sexual partners, who fantasizes, who wants you the same day she meets you… because she knows you WON’T see her as a slut and thus won’t brag about it.
A woman will know that you want her to be sexually free as she can be so the slut objection vanishes faster than snow under the sun…
I’m not kidding, you don’t want to know how many times I’ve heard “if only all men were like you” after telling the story I just told…
To More Dating Success,
Dennis Miedema
Win With Women
Hey thundercat.
A friend linked me to this, and I am glad you liked it.
I have absolutly no issues about you reposting here as long as you quote it, give cred and add a link to the original post.
That being said. I would ask you avoid sharing post containing in field experiences. I am only 17 and the issue is simply that my parents dislike the fact that i share too much of my infield stories these days. But a few posts time to times wouldn’t hurt at all
Anyway I am turning 18 in mai, and in this case the issue would disapear.
Thanks for understanding.
Cheers
Dennis Miedema:
Hey man, This technique is indeed powerful. I posted about something similare back in the days.
Since I put the whole theory in here: http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=6&mn=1235160044540871&refine=subject%3D%26author%3DTVA_Oslo%26body%3D%26datefrom%3D%26dateto%3D
Cheers.
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