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Great news on the Cliff’s List Seminar Front:

You can now pay for the seminar in 4 installments!  That makes it much easier to afford.  Click here for details.

Cliff has extended this offer until June 14th.

The latest addition to the list of attendees is Jason of Make Out Mastery Fame. 

Here’s the latest from Cliff himself:

There are other special surprise guest speakers that are hopefully soon going to be confirmed.  A couple of them have never appeared before at a seminar or similar event, and their presence will be news in and of itself.  One of them is tentatively confirmed, the others…still waiting.

The other big news is that the seminar DVDs are now going to be produced in cooperation with David DeAngelo who is bringing his team in to film the event.  David D will be personally involved in the production and marketing of the DVDs.  This will provide the guests and guest speakers with tremendous exposure for their products.

CONTENT OF THE SEMINAR:
All of the speakers have not yet provided their topics.  Some that have are as follows and some have given a couple of ideas (so the following is subject to change): 

• Bishop’s topic is "Know where you ARE, so you know where to GO in seduction" and/or "Where are you?" A guide to eliminating those known and unknown obstacles that might be getting in the way of you having seduction success. 
• Steve Piccus may be speaking on Would you Date yourself? and/or Working your Complementary Opposites for improving your inner game. 
• David DeAngelo said that he was going to share some of the advanced stuff that he hasn’t put out elsewhere before. 
• Patty Contenta may do a joint presentation with Doc on body language. 
• Sinn may do a run down of the 13 phase Mystery Method model and the 5 archetypes, but this will depend on whether Mystery speaks and what he chooses as his topic.
• The One is considering these topics: Belief and mentality of a man who is successful in att racting women, Seeing the Matrix or The 5 Attributes of a Charismatic man who is successful with women. 
• Style’s topic may be "Beyond the Approach — How to Keep a Woman." 
• Sensei’s topic will be "Kino: The Power of a Gentle Touch".
• Dr Alex Benzer aka Dr Tao will talk about beliefs, doing some seriously mind-altering drills, and talking about some techniques. 

Given that there will be some of the greatest experts in threesomes in the world attending there is a strong likelihood that there will be a panel discussion on that.

There are going to be some interesting bonuses as well – one guy who won’t be attending will be doing a conference call (which will only be available to attendees) after the seminar where he will be sharing some new material and this will be recorded onto a CD.  The seminar is going to be packed with information – the main emphasis of Cliff’s List is to nail down what creates attraction and how to "get it", how to really get that understanding that makes the difference between success and failure, and speakers are encouraged to focus in that direction.

This is shaping up to be a fantastic seminar!  I’d recommend you sign up now before all the spaces are gone.

Cliff’s List SEMINAR NEWS

Great news on the Cliff’s List Seminar Front:

You can now pay for the seminar in 4 installments!  That makes it much easier to afford.  Click here for details.

Cliff has extended this offer until June 14th.

The latest addition to the list of attendees is Jason of Make Out Mastery Fame. 

Here’s the latest from Cliff himself:

There are other special surprise guest speakers that are hopefully soon going to be confirmed.  A couple of them have never appeared before at a seminar or similar event, and their presence will be news in and of itself.  One of them is tentatively confirmed, the others…still waiting.

The other big news is that the seminar DVDs are now going to be produced in cooperation with David DeAngelo who is bringing his team in to film the event.  David D will be personally involved in the production and marketing of the DVDs.  This will provide the guests and guest speakers with tremendous exposure for their products.

CONTENT OF THE SEMINAR:
All of the speakers have not yet provided their topics.  Some that have are as follows and some have given a couple of ideas (so the following is subject to change): 

• Bishop’s topic is "Know where you ARE, so you know where to GO in seduction" and/or "Where are you?" A guide to eliminating those known and unknown obstacles that might be getting in the way of you having seduction success. 
• Steve Piccus may be speaking on Would you Date yourself? and/or Working your Complementary Opposites for improving your inner game. 
• David DeAngelo said that he was going to share some of the advanced stuff that he hasn’t put out elsewhere before. 
• Patty Contenta may do a joint presentation with Doc on body language. 
• Sinn may do a run down of the 13 phase Mystery Method model and the 5 archetypes, but this will depend on whether Mystery speaks and what he chooses as his topic.
• The One is considering these topics: Belief and mentality of a man who is successful in att racting women, Seeing the Matrix or The 5 Attributes of a Charismatic man who is successful with women. 
• Style’s topic may be "Beyond the Approach — How to Keep a Woman." 
• Sensei’s topic will be "Kino: The Power of a Gentle Touch".
• Dr Alex Benzer aka Dr Tao will talk about beliefs, doing some seriously mind-altering drills, and talking about some techniques. 

Given that there will be some of the greatest experts in threesomes in the world attending there is a strong likelihood that there will be a panel discussion on that.

There are going to be some interesting bonuses as well – one guy who won’t be attending will be doing a conference call (which will only be available to attendees) after the seminar where he will be sharing some new material and this will be recorded onto a CD.  The seminar is going to be packed with information – the main emphasis of Cliff’s List is to nail down what creates attraction and how to "get it", how to really get that understanding that makes the difference between success and failure, and speakers are encouraged to focus in that direction.

This is shaping up to be a fantastic seminar!  I’d recommend you sign up now before all the spaces are gone.

Way To Captivating And Seductive Talking

The always awesome Nightblue has a fantastic post up about how to create a "sexual state" with your language.

Nightblue writes:
Funny that I vaguely remember posting about captivating verbal game.
I got it pretty solid since the time, basing on those principles with mixed with new natural techs.

While on the subject, I realized something yesterday while talking with
the mighty Brazilian. I actually was a natural since I was into MLTRs with girls 19 to 24 when I was sixteen.

Thats probably also the reason of how I can taste useful material when
I see it. Like Id see a guy when there arent women around, and tell
that he gets laid massively. Which leads to the point; Captivating and
seductive talking and behaving.

Whats lacking at most poets to be PUAs is sexual state.

For being a good PUA
in this day and age, the main secret ingredients are to make a short
brief; take the great Svengali’s "chasers are bound to chase forever"
and mix it with "captivating seductive talking" in which I’ll get into,
and finally pour some "having and wanting sex is our main male role and
right".

Things like C&F and playfulness among other things are the add on’s.   

Note that this is a different thing than my last post "Gamestyle for
quick lays". This post is dedicated for becoming a complete PUA from the inside.
Firstly I should mention that if you dont agree with not chasing, put
that aside and try this all out. You’ll game will definitely improve.

The captivating and seductive talking will upgrade your personality to
a whole new level. You’ll be a out of ordinary dream guy. Civilized,
charming charismatic and seductive.
I dont recommend heavy C&F with this, since that only works for one type of women.

Seductive and captivating talking is the most ancient and effective way
of getting women, since you directly aim at their emotions. For this
you shouldnt use ordinary much used words. But have original words and
describings.
This is for the rapport stage which is the MOST important part if your
not looking for a quick lay. I do both styles depending on my mood.

To give an example of how such an interaction goes,
In the beginning of the interaction you convey humor and playfulness
C&F and stuff if you want. But youre not just all about that. You
keep the playfulness vibe in it, but you show more of yourself. Youre
talking about ordinary things in an out of ordinary way. Lets say about
womens emotions.

"You know naive men keep wondering in through their lives what women
want, and start to think that they want a lot. While women just await
their dreamguy, a guy with who they feel their emotions charging by
just being with him. And thats actually all they want."

Or after youve known eachother and some chemistry is going on sending
mixed messages like active disinterest mixed with seductive talking;

"You know your skin reminds me of watching the sun spark on the sea in
a little greek island Mykonos. We’d go there when we were kids and
watch the sea instead of playing like we should."
Then later pulling back teasing or something and making her work to get you to talk like this again.

When you show this of yourself youre more than an ordinary guy. Youre
conveying deepness and reaching her emotions. That you have a high
value personality. This is what canned material cant give you.

Im not telling you to be some kind of don Juan 24/7. But showing this is very powerful.
I wouldnt advise to use this if you just want to sleep with her. Since
this will get the girl to feel strong emotions for you like love. If
you just want to get laid you should read "Gamestyle for quick lays"
somewhere below in advanced.
This is more for mLTRs.

A complete PU is not all about C&F and being sexual. You have to create a complete image in her mind of yourself. 

An image of a fun guy, who also has a personality. Confident,
Intelligent and can talk in a way that takes him into a woman in any
way possible. Become complete.

Always remember:  Your language is your weapon.  It’s the best thing you have going for you when it comes to getting a woman.  Even good looking guys, if they don’t have much to say (or say the wrong things), they’re going to miss out on the women they want.  Read this post a couple times, I think it’s a good one!

Dealing With Other Guys In Clubs

Dimitri, the star of Rapid Social Impact, has a really good post up about how to deal with other guys in the club.

Dimitri writes:
Man, I just
saw a post in General that broke my heart. This cat, seems a cool guy,
wrote asking about what do after he said something friendly to a guy he
knew (saying he’d attend the guy’s band practice, because it’d be
cool), then the guy makes fun of him, calling him his groupie and stuff.

Then, a lot of "AMOG!!!!"
responses come in, before Woodhaven politely presents a better point of
view: Why care? Shrug it off, laugh if it was legitimately funny.

The main thing you need to do to successfully deal with other guys is
*be cool*. If you’re cool, you won’t get a lot of problems. Especially
in social situations, I never get people messing with me at all:
Because why would they? I’m cool, and I’ve got a rock-solid image. I
look above petty shit.

But okay, I hit the bars, and you get these clowns hyped up with liquid confidence in your space. What do you do?

My #1 MOST SECRET ULTIMATE TECHNIQUE:

******LOOK AT THEM LIKE THEY’RE RETARDED*****

I’m serious. This I got, by and large, from girls. When a guy says
something dumb, they’ll give him a look like he’s retarded, then look
at their friends, or away, or somewhere else.

It’s the natural way. If someone’s doing something genuinely retarded,
look at them like they’re retarded. If a guy rolls up to me and says,
"Hey dude, nice shirt, I had that one in high school", I’m going to
look at him like he’s a joker, then look at my girl like he’s a joker,
then look away from the guy – And it’s game over.

But let’s say he’s actually kind of funny. I give him the "retarded
look", and he comes back with the single, only verbal response that’ll
work: He says, "Oooh, you’re giving me the look. Look at this guy, he’s
giving me the look!"

Then I’ll look at him and smile and laugh, because it’d genuinely be
funny (in that context). I’d pat him on the arm and say, "You’re
alright, man." And then he’d see I truly am bulletproof, and we’d be
cool.

Guys can’t mess with me. I can’t lose duels… because I’m *above* them.

A word from Woodhaven on the subject:

"The common pattern is:
PUA sees other guy ->  PUA feels threatened ->  PUA cooks up a sarcastic line -> PUA lowers whatever status he had to match the status of the other guy as he engages in ‘AMOG battle’.

New pattern is:
PUA sees other guy -> PUA treats other guy as friend, because of confidence in own status -> PUA busts on other guy as if he is an old friend -or- PUA ignores other guy and contiues gaming the girl.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve engaged in these battles before, but no matter
who wins, you still run the risk of looking look dumb for *trying* to
win them as if you care.

It’s an internal state thing – have fun with that type of thing and
release the need to win the battle. If a guy throws a verbal jab at
you, laugh it off and continue gaming the girl."

Thank you for sharing the wisdom with us, WH. I’ll add a last note:
You’re done for when you *feel threatened*. Laugh the guy off and
you’re golden.

I really agree with this post.  I think that people who are insecure of their social status feel "threatened" by another guy.  I’ve been witness to some massive AMOG battles in the past, and they’re not always a pretty site.  I think you come off better if you take a guy trying to out-alpha you as "Oh, he wants to play."  That doesn’t mean that if you are *genuinely* being mocked, you shouldn’t stand up for yourself — after all, there’s a time to play it cool and a time to get your hands dirty — but for the most part, something like this is the wya to go.

Dimitri sure knows his stuff.

Fast Make-Out Game

Intime has a great post up on mASF about how to make-out with a chick fast.

Intime writes:
First off,
i assume you are just into this for the practice(like me) or one night
stands. This isn’t something you do to start off a healthy
relationship. Unless maybe a FB relationship

This post also assumes you can get attraction right off the bat.

Don’t have outcome dependence when you are attempting this. Don’t
actually go time yourself and go" Aaah 10 min mark. Must make out now".
If you know she won’t be receptive to it, just run your regular game
and go from there. You won’t be able to this with everyone.

So now we assume you have her isolated or she is a lone wolf.

Use the most high impact stuff you have right off because you are going to be cycling through the stages fast.
Proximity and kino
is key. Everytime she cracks up, you must be close enough for her to
touch you first. If she keeps on manhandling you when she giggles,
that’s great. If she doesn’t , no problem. The best way to know if she
will be receptive to escalation i feel are probably kino
pings(concept possibly by Mystery). if you don’t know how to calibrate
through her other actions and expressions. You squeeze her hand, she
squeezes back, you touch her, she touches back. You tickle her, she
falls into your arms. That kind of stuff.

You transition to hand holding, being extremely close by doing a kino based game/test. Most games are verbal based games. You ask she, answers. Make it kino
based by holding her close as if that is part of what it is about .
Don’t use games to fluff, use them to intrigue her/ tease her about her
sexuality/ show your sexuality/ be close to her

you are such a blueberry fields girl!  HB: what’s that? Ok i’ll show you.
I can’t trust you guys, im giving you the trust test.
Have you ever been quintupled/cubed? No? Ok come here.
Has anyone told you you have solusandra eyes? Lets find out if you are a solusandra *take her hands*

An excuse to be close and hold her close are games/ tests/
visualizations. Basically every single (tell her about herself) game,
you do it holding her hands. Remember this. Don’t bother doing the
games standing at a distance projecting over 1 metre trying to be
"disinterested" .
Ok from this moment on you will be in a sexual state and your voice
will be the sexiest it knows how to be. ( For some you, thats a problem
Whenever you are running a game, you and her are now in a private
world. Everything is so secretive that you have to intepret her answers
by talking close to her ear.

Being sexual- EC, voice tone/rythm, proximity, Kino. From now on your sexual state is on and does not turn off.

The
trust test really is an attraction/trust test.(Look for the new trust
test) I used to think it was a dumb game. But i do actually use it as
an actual trust test now. If she passes everything, it is definitely on
for more of your kino escalation. Not to mention there are also parts of the trusts test that you can tease her a bit on.

Now through the whole game/test you will be projecting your sexuality,
and for every minute after that. Consider this your transition into
more of an emotional and sexual connection.

I reccomend a minute or two of basic connection, they won’t have time
think or seek rapport with you most of the time. So you have to goad
her into making statements that you agree on and build some basic
rapport/comfort. Time distortion/Imagined shared experiences " Ya i
remember when we were kids it would have been great to…" " Yes
walking by byron beach during the sunset blah blah" (Basically this
will be the romantic part of your relationship (All of one minute:-))

You now have to qualify her or SOI
her. I don’t mean go " Swiss? oh my goodness I can’t even talk to you
anymore…..no no i have to go now". YOU DON’T HAVE TIME FOR ALL THAT.

You SOI
her by whispering or saying something sweetly and softly while holding
her close like " You know what? You are definitely the cutest girl
around here" " I really notice now that you are really beautiful" " You
are the kind of person of person that has a beautiful heart". ALL THIS
IS DONE TOTALLY GENUINE.

If all has gone well you will get a really sweet giggle. And a doggy
dinner bowl look ( People here use this term to mean so many
expressions, and i have one in mind too. Hope it coincides with yours.)

NOW HERE COMES THE MOMENT ( haha no big deal…don’t freak out)

Now you either do the spin kiss move (search for spin kiss) smoothly
and end in a make out. Or you do DYD’s kiss test and end in makeout. Or
Style’s evolution phase shift and end in a makeout. Or anything
else….u guys do know how to make out don’t you?
My personal preference is the spin kiss move, she almost knows whats coming.

Actually do whatever it is you know how to do and just end in a makeout.

Total time less than 10 min…sometimes even less than 5 and now you
have to find new challenge in life ( like taking her on a half hour
trip to your home and dealing with LMR), or on to the next SI swimsuit
model or UG (whichever you prefer.)

Although ive typed up quite a bit, which is just for explanation.
Running through this will take you no more than 5- 10 min. So this is
my fast makeout game and i believe anyone else could probably get it to
work.

So if you really do get your first 5 min makeout through the structure here. Well, guess im proud that i could be of help.

5 minute make out.  Can’t beat that can you?  =)

Special Memorial Day Weekend Offer!

Happy Memorial Day Weekend everyone!

I gotta tell ya, I love Memorial Day Weekend!  Not only do we all get an extra day off work, but we also get to kick back, unwind, and party!

Be it going to a nice BBQ, going to see the latest summer blockbuster, or going out for three nights of partying on the town, you gotta be sure you use this weekend to start the summer off with a bang!

I know I will.  =)

But I recently got an email from a poor chap named Patrick who doesn’t seem like he’s going to be having much fun anytime soon…

Patrick writes:

Hey Thundercat,

My situation IS special and problematic because I hate to go out to clubs and bars. I know extremely well what my problem is and I don’t see the solution.

My problem is that I have a very low need for socializing in general but that I have a high need for a pleasant and fullfilling relationship. You could say that I want a girlfriend without going through all the social stages. I’m a loner, though NOT a hermit.

What can I do to solve this? I have been studying all kinds of materials for a year now.

Hate to break it to Patrick, but his situation is not nearly as unique or "special" as he thinks. 

Actually, its quite common.

I get a lot of emails from guys who don’t like to go out but want companionship.

The thing is, you don’t have to go to bars and clubs to meet women – especially on a weekend like this!  Women are going to be out everywhere, shopping, eating, walking around, enjoying the weather, etc.

Even if you NEVER leave your house, there are TONS of dating sites you can access with your computer and meet women that way.

But the thing is, you still need to be a social person, because even if you do get dates, no one wants to be with a man who doesn’t know how to relate to other people.

Patrick called himself a loner, but having seen this a million times, I have to tell it to him straight:

Patrick, you’re just being lazy.

If you’re like Patrick and want a girlfriend without going through the necessary social stages, then just get a hooker, because no other woman is going to **magically** pick you out of all the other men in this world, and then do all the work necessary to get into a relationship with you (unless you’re insanely rich or famous, but even then, some work is still involved). You’re the man.  Women expect YOU to do all the work!

It’s a sucky deal, I know, but if you want something, you gotta work for it.  No way around it.

However, seeing as how I consider myself to be quite lazy, I can’t blame Patrick for wanting to go the easy route.  And since it’s a holiday weekend and everything, I’m going to share a little secret with you…

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Let’s face it, most guys DON’T know what they’re doing, so they look at meeting and dating women as HARD WORK.

Are you one of those guys?

Ask yourself:

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2. Do you have plans to do something fun for the holiday?  If you don’t, you’re wasting a great opportunity to have fun!
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All the same rules still apply.  I only want people SERIOUS about getting good with women, and once you unsubscribe from the site, you will not be allowed to rejoin.  But I’m confident once you get a taste of what my site offers, you’ll NEVER want to leave!

So stop wasting time!  Have some fun with all the amazing women out there this holiday weekend!

Wishing you success this Memorial Day,

Thundercat

Bishop Reveals The TRUTH About MINE’99!

Wow,

Okay, so I haven’t been reading every single response on my blog lately, due to that fact that I’ve been travelling a lot and have been busy with work.  But when I do sit down to catch up on things, oh what gems I find!

It seems Bishop and MINE’99 have been going at each other’s throats again, and it’s all been happening on my blog!  Shocking, considering Bishop has proclaimed he’d "never post on my blog again" and MINE’99 seems to hate this website so (but spends almost all of his free time on it, it appears).

It all started on the "Louis & Copeland vs… David DeAngelo???" thread where MINE’99 went on the offensive attacking David D. for running more than one website selling stuff that no one really cares about.  Then Bishop swoops in and fires the opening salvo in the "Revenge Of The Sith"-epic flame ware that is to follow.

Read on, you’re not gonna want to miss this one…

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Bishop Reveals The TRUTH About MINE’99!

Wow,

Okay, so I haven’t been reading every single response on my blog lately, due to that fact that I’ve been travelling a lot and have been busy with work.  But when I do sit down to catch up on things, oh what gems I find!

It seems Bishop and MINE’99 have been going at each other’s throats again, and it’s all been happening on my blog!  Shocking, considering Bishop has proclaimed he’d "never post on my blog again" and MINE’99 seems to hate this website so (but spends almost all of his free time on it, it appears).

It all started on the "Louis & Copeland vs… David DeAngelo???" thread where MINE’99 went on the offensive attacking David D. for running more than one website selling stuff that no one really cares about.  Then Bishop swoops in and fires the opening salvo in the "Revenge Of The Sith"-epic flame ware that is to follow.

Read on, you’re not gonna want to miss this one…

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Louis & Copeland vs… Carlos Xuma???

A while back I put up a post called "Louis & Copeland vs… David DeAngelo???" where I talked about a newsletter the "How To Succeed With Women" Dynamic Duo put out that sounded like David DeAngelo, the genius behind "Double Your Dating," was threatening to sue them.

Well, a new twist in the story has turned up.  Another fairly well know dating guru, Carlos Xuma, the brains behind Dating Dynamics, apparently read my post and emailed me to clear something up.  I’m reposting this email for your reading pleasure below:

Carlos Xuma writes:
The "threat" was when I sent them an email after one of their "everybody else is a scam" emails went out. They’re trying to start a dirty smear campaign. (Next thing you know they’re going to accuse PUAs everywhere of staying at Michael Jackson’s house.) What I was trying to tell them was to "Watch out" about their negative and demeaning tactics. Next thing you know, they spin it to mean that they’re being threatened.

I don’t have a very high opinion of those guys right now. I’m putting out a veiled rebuttal in my Seduction Method newsletter today. I’ll send it to you for grins.

Anyway, let me know when you’re back in the states and we can chat about things.

Carlos

And send it he did.  Check it out:

5/12/2005  Seduction Smarts
Getting Men Confident and Successful With Women  … (Without Guilt)

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THESE GUYS DON’T GET IT

Pardon my rant here, but I got this email the other day from a couple of guys that give men advice on dating women. I can’t believe some of the stuff they put in this email. And I’m feeling a bit sad for them, really.

I don’t usually address what other people say, but something here really needed to be addressed.

First, I want to be clear that I really think these two guys have the potential to be sharp at this field, but they’ve decided lately that they want to try and make others look bad in their efforts, which is a shame. I know they read my emails, and I know they’re getting a lot of ideas from my work, which is okay with me, but they’re resorting to negativity and putting down other advisors as a method to get ahead.

They’re trying to turn what we’re doing into some kind of ugly competition, and they’re smearing other people’s names instead. Unfortunately, negativity works against us all.

And it seems as if it’s all in the name of hurting me and others who are trying to help guys out there be successful.

Read a little of what they wrote:

"TRYING to be the "apha male" — that is, pushing other guys around, acting tough, and worrying a lot about how "alpha" you are — actually makes you LESS "alpha."

HUH???

Guys, I have read everything imaginable on this topic, and nowhere does anyone say to act this way to attract women. Not even the BAD stuff I read tells guys to behave like this.

It’s not about acting like a jerk, or competing for a woman’s attention.

Nor is it some kind of barnyard behavior, the way they present it.

It’s about demonstrating dominant characteristics that help men realize their dreams with women… and their lives.

When I talk about being an "Alpha Man" it’s about turning on those powerful behaviors and beliefs in yourself that allow you to accomplish what you want.

It’s never about this kind of behavior.

Geez….

C’mon, guys.

I’m shaking my head here, because I see what’s happening, and it’s frustrating to watch.

You see, I know these guys want to have more men come to their seminars and spend their money. They charge a good deal of money for these seminars, but I’ve never attended one, so I cannot comment on the quality.

But I do know this: Most of you don’t have the means to fly around and take these classes.

I want to give you the means to learn as much as  you can … from wherever you are, and at whatever skill level you’re at.

It’s all about HOW you behave with women, and HOW effectively you can read and integrate in social situations.

These are skills you can learn and use, and they’re not watered down to the point of being ineffective. I’m also not afraid to tell you some things that they would find too shocking to admit.

Remember that before you learned how to ride a bike, you had to pay attention to every motion, and maintaining your balance, and steering, and a dozen other things. AFTER you got the hang of it, it became transparent and you could then do all the cool stuff without thinking about it.

It became natural.

You can’t just FALL into the right behaviors, you need to LEARN them.

And THAT is what the Alpha Man model teaches.

I have faith that you guys are smart enough to avoid this kind of negative smear-campaign emails if they pop into your in-box.

Remember that you need to beware any advice that tells you NOT to listen to other people’s advice. That shows mistrust for your intelligence. Keep your mind open and fresh.

And avoid negative thinking, in ANY form.

Jeesh.  Talk about a bitchslap!  I guess David DeAngelo was innocent of threatening Louis and Copeland after all.

It’s funny, because I used to think the fueding only went on between keyboard jockies on mASF, but now I see it’s something everyone gets into from time to time.

But one thing is certainly clear:  Louis and Copeland don’t seem to be winning any friends lately.

Dating Dynamics Blog

A new blog just came to my attention (I love how seduction blogging really seems to be taking off!  It might be my outrageous ego, but I like to think I had something to do with it =).  It’s the Dayting Dynamics Blog, hosted by the one-and-only Carlos Xuma!  It looks he’s updating it pretty reguarly, so I look forward to seeing his upcoming articles.  You can check out the site here:

Dating Dynamics’ "Alpha Man Seduction" Blog

If you guys know of any other dating/seduction related blogs I don’t have linked, please email me and let me know.

Kind Regards

There certainly seem to be a lot of losers trolling this blog lately who only seem to like to spew venom and spread negativity wherever they go.  Though I can’t understand why anyone would put so much time and effort into such an endeavor, it certainly seems like there are a few bad apples posting that like to put people down, me in particular.

That’s why it’s always encouraging to get emails from people who actually appreciate the time it takes to keep a site like this up and running.  One email I got recently, in particular, was especially gratifying, and I wanted to share it here with you all…

Glamor writes:

Simply …. you are THE MAN…

 

there are three things I’d like to thank you for :-

 

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1) Your website (Seductionlair.com) :-

 

No other website is more resourceful than yours… very organized
.. gets updated regularly.. and gets us the news from all those guys
from the seduction community (Mystery – RSD Guys – Swinggcat…etc) ..
and I know some of the stuff you have on your website is a collection
from other sites… but you pick the good stuff and just list them for
your members… Awesome.

 

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2) The Interviews you do :-

 

First of all I just like how you pick the guys you wanna
interview… and who are really good and successful with what they
do…. I don’t like bashing at other people’s audio interviews but
there is another guy who is considered an advanced guy in the seduction
community.. and he has a series of interviews with pua’s .. but I don’t
think that guy checks the credibilty of the people he interviews.. and
I say that simply because one of the guys he interviewed really sucks
with women.. I’ve sarged with him… and also he took the Mystery
Seminar with me to improve..  but they lied to be on that guy’s
interview series…

 

and on top of it all… the way you do the interview is just
awesome… although audio quality and the short time wish to be
improved a bit… but that’s understandable.. you are basically
handling the website.. the interviews and the books alone by
yourself… alot of load on your shoulders… and actually in the last
interview with MasterClass.. both those catagory improved great deal…
and every interview you do is different and has it’s own thing going…

Superb work Thundy…

 

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3) The Art of Approaching Book (2nd Edition) :-

 

Honestly there are few books out there that are good.. to the
point and easy to read and follow… some authors are good I think..
but they are just not that informative or may be they don’t know how to
deliver the point.

 

I thought your first book kicked butt! … now I am not quite done
reading the 2nd edition.. but I am really really enjoying what I am
reading.. the framing things…. the confidence…etc.  ..I really like
how you are touching on these subject because they are really
important! …I learned alot from the first book… it made socializing
and picking up chicks alot easier for me…. in my opinion .. (DYD Book
- Swinggcat’s book – The Art of Approaching) .. are all what you need
bookwise to be a pua.. and the rest is up to the guy to sarge and
excute what he learned….

 

Seriously I am not bragging… when I tell you.. your book kicks ass…

 

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I want to thank you man .. seriously for the excellent work you
are doing… and I know you are not getting enough credit for the work
you do… you deserve alot more..but I do truely appreciate your work
and I know many people do too…. and I just read about your Euro
Trip… so that would be a good thing for you to enjoy your time and
live it up…. and I hope you come back in time to attend the Cliff’s
List Seminar and give us the whole recap on it… since I am still
abroad but hope to be back home in Cali.. sometimes soon…. Thank you
Thundy.. keep up the great work… Regards.

Women Who Cheat On Their Husbands

On an anti-marriage site (appropriately enough named "nomarriage.com") they have an article up about all the married women who love to cheat on their poor husbands which I thought was quite interesting…

Women Who Cheat Say They Enjoy the Thrills, Study Finds

Posted July 14, 2003 — Virtually all of the adulterous women interviewed in a recent survey said they cheat because
they deserve all of the pleasure and thrills associated with a secret affair.

Ninety percent of the cheating wives said they suffered absolutely "no guilt" but felt "entitled" to the good feelings
they got, according to Susan Shapiro Barash, a professor and author, who randomly interviewed 120 women from a
diversity of professional backgrounds, ages and races for a recent book on the issue.

She posted ads in YWCAs to find women who were sexually active, according the report on her study in The New York Post.

She said her research reveals that six in ten women will cheat on their husband at least once during their marriages.

"Women feel entitled because they’re not getting what they need in marriage," said Barash, who wrote A Passion for
More: Wives Reveal the Affairs that Make or Break their Marriages. "These women would recognize her need – her desire
to have more in her life than she had in her marriage.  "For the women who choose it, it’s with great effort, so they
really juggle the affair and somehow fit it in."

Baltimore psychologist Shirley Glass agrees with Barash.

"I don’t see women feeling a lot of guilt," said Glass, in her recent book, Not Just Friends: Protect Your Relationship
from Infidelity and Heal the Trauma of Betrayal . Women with careers and financial resources can take more risks, she
added: "If their partners find out, they can take care of themselves."

But Barash has her dissenters.  "I have not witnessed a growing experience of ‘entitlement.’ Their conscience is
bothering them," Kristen Harrington, a marriage counselor in upstate New York, told the Post .

Glass also found surprising changes in men who mess around.

She said that men’s affairs tend to be almost exclusively about sex; they’re usually just getting "a little on the
side" with a female subordinate.

"Now, men and women are working together as equals, with a lot of intellectual energy and common interests," Glass
said. "It’s a combination of emotional and sexual bonds. And it’s more dangerous because it creates an alternative to
the marriage, rather than just a supplement."

Still, being equal in some ways hasn’t erased the differences in why men and women cheat, some experts say.

"Men have affairs to boost their self-esteem and because it’s available. Their feelings are closely tied to their
sexuality and potency," Brooklyn psychologist Marcella Bakur Weiner said. "Women don’t just want a night of joy and
pleasure. No matter what the feminists say, women want love. They want emotional attachment and bonding."

It’s funny, because we all know that women are driven by emotion.  They’re emotional junkies, which means that any man who can get their good emotions flowing is going to be able to sleep with them, and according to this article, the women for the most part have no guilt about it!

I think this kind of thing can be both very enlightening and very disturbing.

Enlightening because it means that just because a woman is married, doesn’t mean she’s off the market.

And disturbing because it means that just because a woman is married, doesn’t mean she’s off the market!

Often times, when people get married, there’s this idea that they’re going to stay true and faithful to each other for the rest of their lives, and the sad, sad truth of the matter is that this type of commitment can be very rare!

I’m not saying all women cheat on their husbands, but I do think that most women are inclined to do so if they’re not being satisfied emotionally or sexually by their husbands.  In fact, I kind-of touch ont his subject with this month’s interview with Masterclass over on SeductionLair.com where he talks about how he picks up married women, and that if you know how to please a woman she’ll be incredibly loyal to you for as long as you want.  (in fact, the sexual conditioning techniques he outlines pretty much give you a step-by-step method to make sure she never cheats on you — ever!)

Thanks to David for pointing this one out.

Official Orgasm Day

Only in Brazil would this happen…

Sex rarely makes the news in Brazil’s conservative north-east -
until a small town declared an official Orgasm Day.

Espertantina Mayor Felipe Santolia endorsed the May 9 holiday,
which he said was intended to improve relationships between married
couples.

"We’re celebrating orgasm in all its senses. There’s even a
panel discussion on premature ejaculation. But from what I’ve seen,
women have more trouble achieving orgasm than men, especially in
marriage," Santolia said.

Santolia said the remote town of 38,000 people has been
unofficially celebrating orgasm day for years, but the town’s
former mayor had vetoed a bill making it an official municipal
holiday.

The city council passed a law Saturday creating the holiday.
Santolia, who took office earlier this year, said he would sign the
bill today.

"I’m 32, single and I have an open mind. Besides the theme is
very much of the moment," he said.

Orgasm Day celebrations include a series of panel discussions by
sexologists from across Brazil and a presentation of Eve Ensler’s
play The Vagina Monologues.

You gotta love a country that officially devotes an entire day to cumming.

Hat tip to intlzncster for this one.  =)

Learn Sexual Aggression

Allesandro has an interesting post up on mASF…

Allesandro writes:
LEARN HOW TO FUCKING DESIRE A WOMAN LIKE A BEAST.

Don’t hold anything back. Don’t go slow and timid. Go at her at full force for and at full speed and take her. Lift her, tear her bra, bite her all over. Spill liquor on her chest .. run AMOCK. Really show her you want her.

You can’t break that rope-walking dating mating crap until you do that.  If you encourage a girl to go wild, dance aggressively, ride your crotch, throw her legs around, scream, bite you back, call you MOTHERFUCKER, etc. you will empower her to have a good fuck. No matter how cool and sexy you’re, in the back of her head she is holding something back and trying not to intimidate you. Watch the dance floor, you see most guys are actually FOLLOWING the woman’s foot steps, they’re acting slow. Most couples go for the slow-dance songs. Most guys still like holding hands and gazing into each others eyes. People avoid fast music and they don’t want to race their little hearts, they don’t wanna break a sweat, they wanna go out in their pressed shirts, get numbers and come home with their shirts still pressed. Young people in my town CARRY UMBRELLAS; Why the fuck are they afraid of getting wet? If you’re out getting laid, carry your essentials in plastic and expect to get wet, be it rain, liquor or body fluids.

Maybe he wrote this with a little more "vigor" than I would, but I do think there is something to displaying sexual aggression with a woman.

I think that too often, guys get caught up in a game of trying to "trick" a woman into liking them or sleeping with them, where we try to be too subtle or manipulative in our approach.  When men are blatently sexual and are unafraid to let a woman see that and see that they want to sleep with them, I do think women respond in a different way.

Some women may not be into it, but you’re giving clear signs to the ones that are that you WANT them and you’re not afraid to show it.  I think that can be a powerful thing, especially early on in a sarge.

Heading back…

Well, it’s my last day in Europe, and I’m getting ready for my marathon plane ride back to the states.  I had a really good time out here, and I was glad I was able to come, but I’m also glad to be going back home.  I love the United States, and I miss it dearly, so it will be a welcome return to my modest apartment in Los Angeles.

I must say I had a lot of fun with a great many British people while out here.  They are fun to drink and party with, and the dry humor they have just kills me.  I also love British accents on women.  Very sexy.

I got to meet lots of different kinds of women out here (see my post on European Women for details), and I’m glad I got to experience their cultures and customs through them.  It was a fun and eye opening experience.

For those of you wondering, I was not in any of the Eastern European countries while I was out here, so I have not really gotten to experience all of Europe, though I plan to sometime in the future when I have more free time and my bank account is fatter.  =)

Until then, I’ll just have to settle for good ol’ American women, I suppose.

PS:  Regular blog updates will once again start on Wednesday.

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