Louis & Copeland vs… Carlos Xuma???
May 27, 2005 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
A while back I put up a post called "Louis & Copeland vs… David DeAngelo???" where I talked about a newsletter the "How To Succeed With Women" Dynamic Duo put out that sounded like David DeAngelo, the genius behind "Double Your Dating," was threatening to sue them.
Well, a new twist in the story has turned up. Another fairly well know dating guru, Carlos Xuma, the brains behind Dating Dynamics, apparently read my post and emailed me to clear something up. I’m reposting this email for your reading pleasure below:
Carlos Xuma writes:
The "threat" was when I sent them an email after one of their "everybody else is a scam" emails went out. They’re trying to start a dirty smear campaign. (Next thing you know they’re going to accuse PUAs everywhere of staying at Michael Jackson’s house.) What I was trying to tell them was to "Watch out" about their negative and demeaning tactics. Next thing you know, they spin it to mean that they’re being threatened.I don’t have a very high opinion of those guys right now. I’m putting out a veiled rebuttal in my Seduction Method newsletter today. I’ll send it to you for grins.
Anyway, let me know when you’re back in the states and we can chat about things.
Carlos
And send it he did. Check it out:
5/12/2005 Seduction Smarts
Getting Men Confident and Successful With Women … (Without Guilt)————————————
THESE GUYS DON’T GET ITPardon my rant here, but I got this email the other day from a couple of guys that give men advice on dating women. I can’t believe some of the stuff they put in this email. And I’m feeling a bit sad for them, really.
I don’t usually address what other people say, but something here really needed to be addressed.
First, I want to be clear that I really think these two guys have the potential to be sharp at this field, but they’ve decided lately that they want to try and make others look bad in their efforts, which is a shame. I know they read my emails, and I know they’re getting a lot of ideas from my work, which is okay with me, but they’re resorting to negativity and putting down other advisors as a method to get ahead.
They’re trying to turn what we’re doing into some kind of ugly competition, and they’re smearing other people’s names instead. Unfortunately, negativity works against us all.
And it seems as if it’s all in the name of hurting me and others who are trying to help guys out there be successful.
Read a little of what they wrote:
"TRYING to be the "apha male" — that is, pushing other guys around, acting tough, and worrying a lot about how "alpha" you are — actually makes you LESS "alpha."
HUH???
Guys, I have read everything imaginable on this topic, and nowhere does anyone say to act this way to attract women. Not even the BAD stuff I read tells guys to behave like this.
It’s not about acting like a jerk, or competing for a woman’s attention.
Nor is it some kind of barnyard behavior, the way they present it.
It’s about demonstrating dominant characteristics that help men realize their dreams with women… and their lives.
When I talk about being an "Alpha Man" it’s about turning on those powerful behaviors and beliefs in yourself that allow you to accomplish what you want.
It’s never about this kind of behavior.
Geez….
C’mon, guys.
I’m shaking my head here, because I see what’s happening, and it’s frustrating to watch.
You see, I know these guys want to have more men come to their seminars and spend their money. They charge a good deal of money for these seminars, but I’ve never attended one, so I cannot comment on the quality.
But I do know this: Most of you don’t have the means to fly around and take these classes.
I want to give you the means to learn as much as you can … from wherever you are, and at whatever skill level you’re at.
It’s all about HOW you behave with women, and HOW effectively you can read and integrate in social situations.
These are skills you can learn and use, and they’re not watered down to the point of being ineffective. I’m also not afraid to tell you some things that they would find too shocking to admit.
Remember that before you learned how to ride a bike, you had to pay attention to every motion, and maintaining your balance, and steering, and a dozen other things. AFTER you got the hang of it, it became transparent and you could then do all the cool stuff without thinking about it.
It became natural.
You can’t just FALL into the right behaviors, you need to LEARN them.
And THAT is what the Alpha Man model teaches.
I have faith that you guys are smart enough to avoid this kind of negative smear-campaign emails if they pop into your in-box.
Remember that you need to beware any advice that tells you NOT to listen to other people’s advice. That shows mistrust for your intelligence. Keep your mind open and fresh.
And avoid negative thinking, in ANY form.
Jeesh. Talk about a bitchslap! I guess David DeAngelo was innocent of threatening Louis and Copeland after all.
It’s funny, because I used to think the fueding only went on between keyboard jockies on mASF, but now I see it’s something everyone gets into from time to time.
But one thing is certainly clear: Louis and Copeland don’t seem to be winning any friends lately.
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Louis & Copeland vs… Carlos Xuma???
Same old story, same old ending:…
Louis & Copeland vs… Carlos Xuma???
Same old story, same old ending:…
I have to give you credit TC. Your site makes more anonymous seduction guru wanna-be’s famous than any other seuction source in the world. I have never heard of almost any of the guys that you call gurus, but it seems they are all selling products.First Louis and Copeland, and now this Carlos Xuma guy.
It’s sad that so many people are out there trying to take AFC’s money by offering services that they can’t deliver.
The litmus test for this community is still the quality of info. that is posted on MASF……
…..if guys don’t post there…….
….then they probably are just rAFC’s….
….with weak frames, who can’t stand to be challenged….
…..or have their lies proven false…..
…..by the……
-Truth
Thundercat,
I have never met Carlso Xuma and would not mind meeting him. He sounds like a decent enough guy.
However, someone informed me of the openers he teaches in his E-Book. They are taken from community guys without giving any credit.
My “Cheating Boyfriend” opener was one that Cliff posted (with permission) on his list after I posted it on Mystery’s lounge.
It was posted on Cliff’s list around July 2003.
Somehow, it appears that it has ended up in Carlos’ E-book as one of the openers he teaches to guys.
I wish guys in the community would give each other more credit. If I were to mention the “Best Friends test,” I’d surely credit Style.
Take care
The One
Ps. Truth, I’ll be posting an article soon that I think you will highly enjoy. Keep an eye out for it.
Well it’s “Tall Poppy Syndrome” again.
Xuma did a good job of explaning the alpha on those ignoramus. I was a gonna say it’s best to ignore this idiots, but on second thought there are times where you have to defend your integrity and your reputation from those people who try smear shit on you.
Carlos’s books are extremely long and boring.
You’ll do much better with Gunwitches.
I look forward to reading your article, The_ONE. I have been hearing great things about Fidentia, and I find your current info. about seduction and your knowledge of the under-workings of the seduction community to be very enlightening and a breath of fresh air….
….and that’s the….
-Truth
Gunwitch’s ebook Dynamic Sex Life is great.
Definitely up there with the ‘must read’ list for a different perspective on this field.
No one has the only truth because there are 3 bilions girs out there and there are 3 bilions ways to do it, I read all the dating gurus and make MY vision of dating, all the gurus are very good, I like all and I have learn from all
best regards
carlos cardoso lisboa
Carlos is a wimpy, boring, liar who steals his material from other PUAs.
Guys, he is a fraud who is a old, boring loser.
Guys, I love comments like the last one from this “Ziff.” No specifics. No detail. Just unquantified and unqualified critique. I hear this crap all the time and it’s more entertaining than helpful. I trust that guys are more intelligent than to buy into anonymous rhetoric.
If I’ve ever used anything originated elsewhere, it was with the belief that it was something useful and original discovered in the field. The problem with this stuff is that no one can truly claim total originality.
But if you own my stuff, you’ll see that I put my heart & soul into creating stuff that will help guys ‘get’ this game.
Regards…
- Carlos X.
Uh, Carlos…I have read your boring, plagarized ebooks and I can assure you that your “heart & soul” are not in your work.
Fraud Alert
Gentleman: Do not purchase any ebooks, or any other material from a dating “guru” such as a “Carlos Xuma” that does not feature the picture of the principal.
What that means is if he doesn’t put his picture on his site, then he has something to hide.
In addition, what’s up with the images of the hot babes? Are they Carlo’s girlfriends?
I think not.
Mystery Method is the way to go…look it up. Mystery is for real – Carlos is a fake, plastic dildo.
Ziff,
Have you ever met Carlos Xuma in person? Have you ever trained with him, read all his material, listened to his CD’s? Well I have! As a matter of fact, I host him in Vegas for Seminars that sell out and I can assure you he is no fake! Every one who has attended our events agrees that Carlos not only knows his stuff, he is a an excellent teacher.
Several of our students have recently in one month gained 4 steady girl friends after training with Carlos. Mystery is an awesome guy and amazing instructor, absolutely. But he will be the first to admitt, that although he can pick up just about any woman he wants, he isnt the best at keeping them. Thats were Carlos has his forte, DEEP INNER GAME. ALPHA MAN training. The Alpha Man that can get the girls AND Keep them. Carlos teaches men to be men. If you can learn that you dont need tricks or scams or tons of techniques.Women will be dran to you naturally. Techniques and rehearsed openers certainly help those just starting out and there is nothing wrong with using both Mystery/Style/Deangelo and Xuma systems together. Thats what several of us do and we get amazing results!
So Ziff, seriously its great that you support Mystery,Style and whoever, they are all amazing guys and instructors and all have something to offer the community, but there really is no sense in bad mouthing someone else’s way of instruction, writing, or coaching.
But in fairness I guess that when you start making a name for yourself, you will always have those who will want to put you down, or belittle you becuase of the status you acheive. It’s true of most any profession,no one try’s to put you down until you start reaching the top!
I have Carlos Xuma’s products, and a lot of his material touches down on principle of attracting women and the concept of ‘owned material’ does not apply here.
Nobody owns MY ability to seduce a woman, ok, everyone get a grip and touch base with reality.
These principles are universal, and Mr. Xuma is just translating it into context. Mr. Xuma does not own them — ok, So Ziff, I dont know why you are so anti Carlos Xuma, but he does put his picture on some of his products, or at least the ones I have.
What is your point, even if an author doesn’t put his/her picture on thier work? does it have any relevance to the content of the work?
Alot of my judgement applies to where an author has been. Mr. Xuma is wise, intelligent and has demonstrated before success in the real world prior to becoming an independent author. I prefer listening to a guy who is in-line, within sync and demonstrates the intellectual capacity of independent thinking, confidence, as opposed to this mystery character that is ‘acting’, yes i said ‘acting’ when he steps foot in a bar.
why does a man need to wear mascara and a 2 foot long hat in a bar, and why would women be attractive to those effeminate qualities?
If I recall reading in barnes and nobles, his ‘the game’ book has him starting out, page one, his life in a state of toxic inebriation while he stumbles wondering where he is.
Additionally, I don’t UNDERSTAND the concept of being a PUA. I just do not see the glory of picking up the most number of girls in one night, using these dumbass retarded lines, and acting in character with retards like Mystery. Ok Girls see through it, and as you guys get older, you realize your PUA shit is the stupidest thing you have ever done in your life, and that your whole entire paradigm to getting a girlfriend is not on meeting girls in the most quantity, but being of yourself in the best quality where girls are begging to meet you.
I have not given one cent to any dispicable pua “author” because these people are not inline with my identity of false character. later
Anyone who says Carlos Xuma is fake and not to be trusted needs to look for his dick!
“SHIT!! Didn’t realize….he needs to grow one first!!” xD
Look, it’s true that there is certain stuff in Xuma’s books that may have been in the pickup community and taught by others as well. But none of that stuff is originally claimable as it’s more intuitive than invented! And the fact that he’s put it in his book means it’s usable!
Coz he doesn’t believe in putting bullshit in his books!
And by the way, leading the ideal life ain’t about wars on ebooks and their content, it’s about finding the best stuff and integrating into your GAME!! Blend it into yourself!
NOW GET OFF YOUR FUCKIN ASS AND THIS BLOODY WEB BROWSER!! GO MEET SOME AWESOME WOMEN!! DO IT!!
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