Becoming a Mercenary

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Dimitri has a rather excellent post up on the General board of mASF where he extrapolated a rather interesting concept from the MrSex4uNYC archive (I still gotta read that “Best Of” post, damnit!!!). Anyway, he has this to say…

Dimitri writes:
On one last note, MrSex4uNYC settled another thing for me that I’d wrestled with in the past: I went from near always accepting a woman’s frame to near always rejecting a woman’s frame to a certain balance in between, now. I understand why I do this and why it works more.

In his post, NYC talks about always being a leader unless a better leader is around. If there is one, he doesn’t become a follower, he becomes a *mercenary*. For me (in other words, this is my interpretation) he’s working with the other person for as long as he’s getting what he wants, but when he’s not getting “paid” any more, he’s off to the highest bidder again, or working alone. That’s my new modus operandi. I’m in charge of myself until what someone else is doing is better for me. In that case, I’m behind them as long as it’s furthering my cause.

That idea in the above paragraph is now my own… NYC didn’t write the first part verbatim, nor did he extrapolate like I did. It’s my interpretation of how it’s going to be, and how it’s been becoming. Now I can articulate the attitude I’ve been ever-more becoming, and having the words for it is glorious.

And I get the added bonus of being a “Mercenary” now! How fucking sweet is that? “Mercenary Dimitri”… next time a woman asks what I do, I’m going to say I’m a Mercenary. Matter o’ fact, I used to use this as a stock response a while back. “I’m for sale to the highest bidder…” I wonder why I stopped using that…

Oh well. Anyway, yeah, I’ve gone off on a tangent, but my original idea: Leadership. Be in control of *yourself* and what you keep you around yourself. You can’t control a woman, but you can control how much she is around you, how much she affects you, and how much of yourself you’ll share with her. For me, accepting another frame or another’s leadership is acceptable, no… it’s correct, if working with that person I am better able to achieve my own goals. And MrSex4uNYC seems like a really badass guy.

I like that idea, because it reframes situations where you’re with your wingman. Instead of being subserviant or beta to your buddy, you can be more of a hired gun. Plus, I like the part about telling the girl “I’m for sale to the highest bidder.” lol.

The whole thread can be checked out here.

Guys who FClose

Harmless has a pretty good response to a thread started by Sirducer about guys who Fuck Close repeatedly.

Harmless writes:
It’s all about finding that ONE girl who can be convinced to
come home with you TONIGHT.

Some guys might say that with enough skill you can pull ANY girl. Bullshit. With enough skill, you learn to CALIBRATE and figure out which girls you can game well enough to come home with you. This has to do with their receptiveness and your skillset.

It doesn’t matter if you open 1 girl or 100. All that matters is FINDING a girl who you can take home and CONVERTING it into a lay.

I can pretty much tell in the first 20 minutes whether or not a girl is coming home with me. Calibration, guys. Calibration.

fcloses are not so much a seperate skillset as an extremely time distorted version of a regular PU.

Good stuff. Calibration is very important in dealing with ANYONE you’re trying to persuade or manipulate. You can read the whole thread here.

Suggestibility Games

I found this great post via Sir Italian’s Seduction Blog about Suggestability Games. This guy, Professor Brian David Philips, describes some great techniques to derive indices for whether a subject is easy to hypnotize or not. The funny thing is, I think a lot of these can be adapted to Interactive Value Demonstrations (IVDs). I’ll have to play around with these a bit more. Here are a few of my favorites:

1. MUSCULAR RELAXATION
This is a test of how well you can relax. Sit comfortably and raise your left arm to a right angle position in front of your chest and extend your right forefinger and place it under the center of the left palm. Concentrate on relaxing your left hand and arm completely so it’s only support is the extended right forefinger. When you are confident that your left hand and arm is completely relaxed, let me know and at the count of three take your forefinger away. . . one, two, three.” See what happens. If your hand falls then you’ve done great and are relaxed and following instructions. If it does not fall then it can’t be relaxed. Try again, this time really relax and let it go loose, limp and relaxed.

Hmmmm. The possibilities!!!! *giggle* Anyway, here’s another great one:

3. THE LEMON
Ask subject to close his or her eyes and imagine looking at, feeling, picking up, and slicing a ripe, bright, yellow lemon in half. Then he/she invites the clients to picture themselves smelling the lemon, bringing it to their mouth, and finally squeezing some of the juice onto their tongue. The individuals who are aware of salivating and/or smelling the citrus aroma during this exercise are more likely to be good imaginative candidates than those who do not salivate. Some individuals’ mouths will visibly pucker.

Ah, good stuff, good stuff. You can read the whole thread here.

The Doctor is in (the Asylum)

So I’m reading the latest edition of the AskMen.com dating and relationships column, written by the one and only Doc Love, and I just feel like I gotta say something about this.

Anyway, here’s the mailbag:

Les writes:
Hey Doc,

I started dating Erin in August 2002. We had about five or six dates, but were otherwise seeing other people and things were moving very slowly.

In December, she asked me to go to New York for New Year’s Eve. We went, had a fantastic time, and then things took off more seriously. From that point, we both decided to date each other exclusively.

I fell in love with Erin and she fell in love with me. We went on a number of trips together and I treated her like gold. She was good to me in return, though I would have preferred it if she were more of a Giver.

All in all, she is a fantastic woman and has the kind of values that I want in a life partner. However, I can see now that to some extent, I wasn’t much of a Challenge as time went on.

We are both conservative and would never live together before marriage, so moving in with Erin was never an issue — it was always when and if we were going to get married. And marrying her was something I was mentally preparing to do, but I was just waiting for her signals to become more clear.

About two months ago, I noticed subtle changes in her behavior. She did a few minor things that indicated she was losing interest, so I asked her if that was the case. She assured me this was not so, and being in a state of mind where I heard her say what I wanted to hear, I chose to believe her.

Well, one day out of nowhere she suggested that she needs “time apart.” Not being a total idiot, I said time apart wasn’t for me, and I defined my boundaries quite clearly and said if she was committed to me, then great, but if she wasn’t, then we should stop seeing each other altogether and just end things like adults.

She did not like me setting my boundaries so strictly because I suspect they were rather unsettling for her and not convenient for whatever it was she was trying to achieve.

Anyway, for the past six weeks I’ve been trying to distance myself from Erin (a painful and difficult experience). Over this same time period, she has shown up at my house (unannounced) to “visit my family” when she knew I was there, she has called me numerous times and has sent me a number of e-mails.

Initially I was sucked into these antics. On one occasion, on my deceased mother’s birthday, Erin’s sister was giving birth that same day. She called me and was upset, so I took a pizza to her house to cheer her up.

On another occasion, I accidentally bumped into her when I was out with a (female) friend for a drink. Every encounter with her is totally awkward and draining, and last week I reiterated to her that I wanted to stay away from her until she has some clarity about what she wants, and in the meantime I’m going to get on with my life.

Given that I genuinely love this woman and care for her deeply, what would you recommend that I do? I can’t allow her to treat me like a revolving door, but I don’t want to entirely shut her out if she is somehow trying to extend an olive branch without coming right out and saying it.

As we all know, women are best judged by their actions, and right now hers are rather inconsistent (which implies low interest). I know I can’t do anything to control her, but when she contacts me again (which she inevitably will, either in person, or by phone or e-mail), what is the best thing for me to do?

So that’s the sob story. Pretty cut and dry situation where the girl feels superior to the guy, the guy suddenly exherts himself and cuts her off, and the girl starts to chase him again to revalidate herself. But here are Doc’s responses…

Doc Love writes:
Let’s clear something up right out of the chute. The decision to “date exclusively” wasn’t made by you and Erin together. She decided to date you exclusively. What have I told you guys in the past? We pick, but they choose. Big difference, and one you shouldn’t lose sight of. And why did she make that decision? Because you managed to drive her Interest Level up into the 90s. At least for a little while…

Okay, so the whole thing starts off on the bad foot. We pick, but THEY choose? Wow, talk about an AFC mentality. This goes down to the crux of the issue with many guy’s interactions with women, and part of the thing this community and the tactics taught within try to combat — FRAME CONTROL! Why do we have to let the girl CHOOSE? If you look at most naturals, the guys who are INCREDIBLE with women, they are the ones who choose. The woman has to be good enough for them. Not the other way around. When you come from the frame of mind that the woman has the power to choose, you effectively give up any power YOU may have in the interaction because your basing your actions on what pleases and displeases her, when what most guys really need to do is come from the frame where she has to base HER actions on what pleases and displeases you. And the fact that the good Doctor is coming from this frame shows a lot about his medical training, IMHO.

When Erin told you she needed time apart, you should have said nothing. You should have smiled and walked out. You don’t sit there and give her your game plan, you don’t tell her how you feel, you don’t tell her what you’re going to do — you leave. But you did all this stuff. And in her mind, it was another wimpy form of begging.

Now, I agree and disagree with this point. I do think it’s rather powerful to say nothing and walk out on a girl, but I don’t think this was the right context to do so. That’s the sort of thing you pull with a shit test BEFORE you’re in a relationship to demonstrate value. But this guy had been seeing his girl for a while, and getting up and walking off would have looked more like he was avoiding/ignoring the issues she had. I think him laying out CONCRETELY and POWERFULLY what he wanted and then telling her to hit the road if she wasn’t with the game plan was a very powerful thing to do, because it demonstrates CONFIDENCE and a WILLINGNESS TO WALK AWAY. A kind-of “You need me, I don’t need you” frame. And I think it’s because he did this that his girl ended up chasing him afterwards. If you noticed, it actually sounded like her interest level began rising again after he walked away from her. What do you guys think?

Anyway, the Doc goes on…

When Erin informed you that she needed her space, that was it. Finito. The end. You hit the magic number: 49%. Of course she’ll play with you like a cat plays with a mouse at 40% to 49% and give you a little false hope, but when it hits 39%, she’s in the arms of another guy.

Uh… this still comes from the frame where the woman has control of the relationship. In my opinion, her having control was the problem in the first place. Remember the part about her not being giving? Well, that’s because she wants a guy who takes a strong lead and TELLS her what to do. Once Les walked away from her, he took that strong lead and she responded to it. If a girl wants to leave, then let her leave, move on. But her sitting down and talking to him was really a way for her to give him a chance to get her interested again, not to break up. But Doc seems to miss this point completely.

But whoa, wait a second here — you got tough and set some hard boundaries that really bothered your girl, huh? Sorry, Les, but she wasn’t really upset. It was just a little smokescreen she threw up that had nothing to do with anything. She was grabbing at something, anything, to indicate her low Interest Level. (The problem is, women never come out and say it. “He lowered my Interest Level due to his deportment,” is not something you’ll ever hear tumbling out of a lady’s lovely bee-stung lips.)

So what happened to all those tight boundaries when Erin showed up at your home? Why didn’t you just duck out? Why didn’t you tell her you were going to the kitchen for a second, then walk straight out the back door and come back at midnight?

Because you wanted the torture. I just hope you haven’t answered any of her phone calls or e-mails. I have a feeling you did, though. Know why? Because you took that pizza with the works over to her when she didn’t even ask you to. A huge, huge mistake. Les — you’re delivering pizza? Aren’t you a little embarrassed, at your age, to be a delivery boy for a girl who doesn’t want to possess you?

Now, I agree about the pizza thing, but I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Regardless, Les did fall back into the frame of wanting this girl and letting her control the interactions. But I think Doc’s analysis here is WAY off. Is it just me? Am I crazy? “Make an excuse and then run away.” — This just seems like bad advice.

Anyway, the article goes on. You can read the whole thing in it’s entirety here. It was actually tough for me to get through, because I so disagreed with the Good Doctor. Guess it just goes to show you don’t need to be good OR right to make a living off of Seduction.

The NEW Seduction Digest!

Well, I was worried that Minger, a buddy of mine and the guy who runs the DC Lair, had dropped off the face of the blogosphere when his website, Seduction Digest, basically went unupdated for a whole month. This was worrisom because I rather enjoyed Minger’s rather serious and well written analysis of a lot of the stuff that comes out of the community. In fact, I think it was Sickboy007 who told me Minger’s blog is like watching 60 Minutes while mine is more like reading Page 6, lol.

Anyway, it seems my fears were unfounded. Minger seems to have been hard at work upgrading the site! It looks great, and is at a new url — seductiondigest.com. Be sure to check it often! Hopefully Minger will start regular updates soon. =)

Skip the kiss

So I found this little ditty on the A Bad Man in a Bad Place blog, and thought it was interesting…

Eric Castillo:
A friend of mine has been in a similar situation to mine, lately, only on the other side. She’s met guys in bars and clubs, and has found herself kissing them, and even letting them sleep in her bed, but not doing anything more with them.

After another night of this, frustrated, we both went to brunch to commisserate.

And then back to my house for a nap. One thing led to another. We never kissed the entire time. Presumably, too intimate.

This seems to be a rather typical MO for most girls, and it kind-of mirrors an experience I had quite recently where I was able to pull a girl from a club back to my buddy’s place, get her on the bed and all that, and then — boom! She falls asleep, lol. I think this comes down to getting sexual VERY early on with girls. We’ve all heard the stories of getting a girl home, and maybe making out, but then she just rolls over and sleeps and you go on through life unfullfilled. Looking back on my experiences, I think this occurs because most guys get sexually aggressive either too late in the interaction or not at all. This is why getting kiss closes or making out quickly after meeting her is important, because it sets the stage for getting sexual later on as opposed to just brushing by that that stage once you have her back at your place.

But the whole notion of “kissing being too intimate” is at the same time, a related problem. Swinggcat and I have talked about this odd phenomenon before, and he dubs this a “sexual barrier.” I find it interesting how a girl might not be willing to kiss you, but she would be willing to fuck you if you go after her the right way. Some girls consider kissing to be an emotional investment, whereas sex may be a strictly physical activity, no different from a sport or working out in the gym. I think this is an area where many guys (including myself) mess up. In our minds, kissing has a kind-of wierd validation to it, where making out with a girl makes us think “Wow, she’s into me! She thinks I’m hot! I’m not a loser because this girl is kissing me!” So most guys will go for the kiss because they are looking for the validation that the girl is into them, and they think that if that’s the case, that’s a sign for going for the lay.

The reality of it is, most guys lose lays this way, because they get too caught up in getting that validation that the girl is into them when the REAL scenereo is that if they were to approach the interaction in another way — that from the standpoint of going for the girl in a purely sexual manner — such as fondling, heavy kino, fingering the girl, etc. their chances for having sex with her may actually be greater than if they were going for a kiss.

It’s a wierd, fucked-up dynamic, but my field experience tells me it’s a real factor in the game. And seeing posts like this from ABMIABP, it only backs up my experience. This is why I think methods like Gunwitch and Caveman have some validity to them, because taking a strong sexual frame with a girl WILL lead to a fuck close if you play it right. I’ll have to play around with these concepts more and see how it goes.

Hanging out with Tyler Durden

Okay, so this weekend I got a special treat, which was the opportunity to hang out with one of the best in the pick-up game currently — the incomparable Tyler Durden. The last time I hung out with Tyler was back in October when I was a guest instructor at the Chicago RSD workshop, so it was a real treat when Tyler called me up this weekend and asked to hang out.

On Saturday I went out to the Project Hollywood mansion and briefly crashed the Mystery Method seminar that was going on this past weekend. It was pretty cool to get to see Mystery holding court in the middle of their rather spacious living room, but I didn’t want to interfere too much with the proceedings, so I went on up to Tyler’s room to hang out.

Needless to say, Tyler hadn’t changed much since last time I saw him. He was lounging around in a dirty t-shirt and sweatpants with his hair all messed up — a distinctly NON-PEACOCKED version of the guy I had never gotten to see before, yet he still had that boyish passion and enthusiasm for the game. That’s one of the things I like about Tyler. I feel my game just improves by being around the guy. It’s almost like his energy is infectious, and his aura has a “midas touch” quality about it. Regardless, he’s also one hell of a fun guy to just bullshit with.

As I sat up in the master bedroom shooting the shit with him, we talked about a lot of stuff. He complimented me on my new “Hollywood Sleazball” look, which I’ve been cultivating since January. He also talked about how much he enjoys the blog, to which I replied “You actually read that shit?” lol. We also talked a bit about business, and how he’s looking forward to going to Australia next week for the DYD/RSD workshops. I tell you, I don’t envy Tyler that much (well, maybe I envy how much he gets laid, =). The dude’s got a hard job. I can’t imagine what it must be like going out with a group of AFCs expecting you to perform in an uncontroled field environment and actually having to perform night after night. Even though Tyler is young, you can tell the effects of the job are starting to take their toll. His voice is pretty strained and the guy looks constantly tired. But he just can’t stop sarging. He seems to love it too much.

On Sunday we went out to lunch together and talked a bit more about the game. I shared some of my own routines with him, and he shared some of his stuff with me. Tyler always has great material, but the thing I like about his stuff is that he’s actually able to explain and discuss the theory behind it. For instance, we had a discussion about a new opener he’s using that has the pitfall of making a girl feel guilty for cheating on her boyfriend, should she have one. Most PUAs might not have noticed there was a problem with the opener, but Tyler was able to break it down and try to fix it. Just the fact that the two of us were discussing it (and keep in mind, when it comes to the game, I’m no where near the level Tyler is), shows me that Tyler is truly a guy who will learn from anyone. In fact, that’s very much one of his biggest strengths. No matter who you are, if you have something good or intelligent to say, Tyler will absorb it, break it down, and improve upon it — kind of like the Japan of the PUA community! lol.

He also shared a new concept he’s working on with me called “Reverse State Openers” (or something like that. My memory is bad enough as it is, I can’t remember stupid details like like names for openers. I’ll have to call him up and get my facts straight about what he actually calls it). Anyway, the idea behind these openers is to go into set incredibly AFC, to the point of being rediculous, so that it’s actually funny. He did a few examples for me and I was on the floor laughing. I can only imagine what it must be like for a girl, because the opener is also one hell of a way to pace her reality. Tyler says these new openers go over very well, and I want to see one at work in the field.

But the big news from our meetings comes down to this: Tyler has agreed to write a regular column for the blog. That’s right, Tyler Durden, one of the best Pick-Up Artists in the game, is going to reguarly write a monthly article exclusively for Thundercat’s Seduction Lair. I’ll be starting a special archive for all his posts here as well so they can all be accessed by anyone at any time. Tyler is never at a lack for things to write about, and this just gives him yet another outlet to let his creative juices flow. Keep in mind this will NOT be stuff you’ll find on mASF or RSD newsletters. This material will be EXCLUSIVE to the blog. And best of all, it’ll be free!!!

So there you have it folks. A new contributor for the blog, and a new outlet to help you guys get better at picking up women! I plan to get the first article of Tyler’s up and running sometime towards the end of March, so keep on checking back for it.

Her Making a Effort Makes it Real

Dimitri has an interesting post on the Advanced board of mASF about how when a woman does things to engage you, she will become more attracted to you in the process.

Dimitri writes:
If a woman is doing things to make the encounter go further, the she’s going to get more attracted. I attribute this to a woman rationalizing that if she’s doing things to make it go forwards with me, she must actually like me.

Actions like…
-Making her find a pen, paper, or whatever else to give you her number
-”Draw a picture so I’ll remember you” when she writes her phone number, or making her write a quote down
-Having her drive to pick me up when we’re going out
-Her paying for anything/everything
-Her doing even little things for me like pouring my tea
-When she makes an offer for me to have anything once I’m back at her place (drink, food), taking it
-When we’re in the bedroom and going at it, telling her to put the condom on
…all have her doing some of the work, as well as that it can put her more or less in a supplicative frame.

I like this because I think it’s a pretty valid point that if you can get the girl to do things where she is trying to keep the interaction going, you’ve effectively gotten her to start chasing you, which is a very good way of increasing attraction. There are many ways to do this, but when it call comes down to it, it’s about having a strong frame and leading the girl once she’s in your reality.

You can read the whole thread on this here.

Best of the MrSex4uNYC archive

Yes, someone with WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY too much time on their hands has put it to good use and done everyone a public service by collecting the best posts from the MrSex4uNYC archive and posting them to the General board of mASF. Lots of good stuff in this massive post can be found here.

Personally, the MrSex4uNYC archive is one of my favorites. I think this guy was the real deal and he has a lot of good stuff to write about. When I have the time, I’ll be sure to read this one all the way through!

MINE’99 on Spike TV

The Godfather of the Seduction community, MINE’99, was on the John Henson Project this weekend on SPIKE TV. I didn’t get to see the show, but some people on mASF did. Here’s the negative view…

MeSoHorney writes:
I just saw MINE’99 appear on the Spike TV show ‘The John Henson Project’. He didn’t come off too well:

As the segment is ending

MINE’99: seduction.com
MINE’99: Remember! seduction.com!
John Henson: Yeah, okay. Jesus Christ shut up.

It was pretty funny. john Henson’s pretty funny too. I’m gonna watch that show from now on.

And now, for the slightly LESS negative view…

Gunwitch writes:
Just peeped it myself. Jim/john whatever henson deal was lets just say biased. I mean MINE’99 and i aint been friends well…. EVER, but that shit was biased.

I seriously doubt MINE’99 clapped for video of men being slapped at his openers and thrown up on in one in a joke skit.

Id say MINE’99 did OK, he didnt take it too serious and just had fun, probably knowing it was a shit promo of his material.

Anyhow at least MINE’99 can teach guys or at least motivate guys to try to get laid, henson tortured me with his lame hershey highwayman jokes til the ross segment. MINE’99 will be selling SS 5 years from now, henson/plus writing staff might be a lounge acts in vegas if lucky at that time, CRAP comedy they write and deliver.

**Original posts edited by me.

Well, there you go. I didn’t get to see it, but if modern culture stays true to form, then it’s not surprizing they showed MINE’99 in a less than favorable light, deserving of it or not. But, his exposure to the mainstream does get more people involved in the community in the long run. If anyone knows of any video of this on the web, feel free to post the link in the comments section.

You can read the whole thread on mASF here.

MINE’99 on Spike TV

The Godfather of the Seduction community, MINE’99, was on the John Henson Project this weekend on SPIKE TV. I didn’t get to see the show, but some people on mASF did. Here’s the negative view…

MeSoHorney writes:
I just saw MINE’99 appear on the Spike TV show ‘The John Henson Project’. He didn’t come off too well:

As the segment is ending

MINE’99: seduction.com
MINE’99: Remember! seduction.com!
John Henson: Yeah, okay. Jesus Christ shut up.

It was pretty funny. john Henson’s pretty funny too. I’m gonna watch that show from now on.

And now, for the slightly LESS negative view…

Gunwitch writes:
Just peeped it myself. Jim/john whatever henson deal was lets just say biased. I mean MINE’99 and i aint been friends well…. EVER, but that shit was biased.

I seriously doubt MINE’99 clapped for video of men being slapped at his openers and thrown up on in one in a joke skit.

Id say MINE’99 did OK, he didnt take it too serious and just had fun, probably knowing it was a shit promo of his material.

Anyhow at least MINE’99 can teach guys or at least motivate guys to try to get laid, henson tortured me with his lame hershey highwayman jokes til the ross segment. MINE’99 will be selling SS 5 years from now, henson/plus writing staff might be a lounge acts in vegas if lucky at that time, CRAP comedy they write and deliver.

**Original posts edited by me.

Well, there you go. I didn’t get to see it, but if modern culture stays true to form, then it’s not surprizing they showed MINE’99 in a less than favorable light, deserving of it or not. But, his exposure to the mainstream does get more people involved in the community in the long run. If anyone knows of any video of this on the web, feel free to post the link in the comments section.

You can read the whole thread on mASF here.

DYD/RSD Team-up?

I talked to Papa the other day, who told me some very exciting news. According to him, Real Social Dynamics, the company Tyler Durden and Papa teach their popular in-field workshops through, is officially teaming up with David DeAngelo and Double Your Dating. It seems that they’ve been given permission by David D to teach officially sanctioned in-field workshops after Double Your Dating seminars, which David will help to promote to his students.

The first of this is coming up soon with the Australian DYD seminar. It seems TD and Papa will be there Mardi Gras weekend March 6th-7th and will be holding workshops the following week. You can sign up for the workshops through their website, but chances are you will also be able to do so if you’re going to be in Australia for the seminar as well.

More details on this coming soon.

Persistence is King

I found a good repost from Gunwitch via an ijjjjji post in the Advanced forum of mASF. I found it interesting because I’m not really a fan of Gunwitch, but I can’t deny the validity of what he says here.

Gunwitch writes:
Can’t read peoples minds, supposing someone thought something because of something you said or did is irrational and goes on far too much.

Women want to have sex with men, women are not from Venus, we are not from mars, there is no need to see this as a battle, it is mutually shared sexual gratification. Women love sex, one must realize this.

Field work generates effective techniques and tactics, not vice versa.

Ejecting from a pick up unless it’s a DONE deal is illogical. Better to stand there with nothing particular to say and let her talk or walk, than to leave and never know.

If I relax they will relax, if I am sexual they will be sexual. First basis of getting anyone to do anything is the walks like a duck acts like a duck must be a duck principle. If you pigeonhole yourself as entertaining guy, or funny guy, or witty guy in her mind you are shorting yourself from pigeonholing yourself as “lover man”. Feel it, show it, but don’t say it, and she will place you in the category of a lover.

I like this because it’s very much about having such a dominant frame, that the social awkwardness of a situation where you continue to stand around a girl who might not want anything to do with you simply doesn’t register in your mind. It’s a very powerful frame to come from,

The James Method

Oy vey, yet annother wannabe guru coming up with his own method! It seems some guy named James came up with a system that seems to work for him, so he has dubbed it, appropriately, The James Method and has started posting his advice to mASF. So far I haven’t been too impressed with what I’ve seen of his, but then again, I’ve never read any posts of his before, so I guess time will tell if he’s full of shit or not.

Anyway, he has a website detailing his method. I haven’t read through it yet, but I’ll post about it when I do. You can check it out here.

AMOG busting Audio

SteviePUA chimes in with another Live Audio Sarge!

SteviePUA writes
Here is a MP3 from last night. I was sarging a girl who was part of a 4 set. It was three guys and one girl together. The three men didn’t cockblock so I went into full sarge mode, I’d befriended the guys earlier anyway.

I’d already displayed personality and she was enjoying herself. I moved into rapport building by talking about dreams and their meaning.

The vague pattern language is getting underway when an AMOG appears on the scene and begins to engage my target, Danielle.

He introduces himself as Julio Caesar – Julius Caesar. I call him Julio Iglesius. He offers his hand to me and instead of shaking his right hand I offer my left hand because I have a wet right hand from biting my fingers (so I tell him).

Then I take over the interaction again and blow him out. I run with the Roman theme and “What did the Romans ever do for us” (Monty Python line).

He then tries to engage me about the football on TV but I tell him I can’t see it clearly. I have him explain to me who is playing and I condescendingly say “Thanks for telling me, I would never have figured that out.”

He sees he is going nowhere and can’t muscle in on me. He makes his excuses to leave. Listen to him say “Well it was nice to meet the both of you”.

I then bust on the Danielle and say she’s crazy, that we go way back, and he needs to be careful with her. I tell him Danielle lives with me and is related to me. Her buying temperature jumps so much she tries to PUNCH MY BALLS!

“Don’t punch my fucking nuts, that was close, that was a close call.”

Exit AMOG stage left : – )

You can download the audio here.

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