More MINE’99 Madness

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Wow, now he’s comparing himself to the Emperor from Star Wars.  Doesn’t seem to realize the Emperor is an evil manipulative bad guy, does he?  Yikes.

Just read the comments of the linked post above for more proof of MINE’99′s madness.  This guy is truly losing his grip on reality.

More MINE’99 Madness

Wow, now he’s comparing himself to the Emperor from Star Wars.  Doesn’t seem to realize the Emperor is an evil manipulative bad guy, does he?  Yikes.

Just read the comments of the linked post above for more proof of MINE’99′s madness.  This guy is truly losing his grip on reality.

Badboy Workshop Review

Just got in a new review of the Croatian Badboy workshop from a guy named Voltair (not the actual poet, a different guy =).  The review is pretty favorable.  If you’re tossing around the idea of taking a Badboy workshop, check it out.

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James Bond And Picking Up Women

A long while back, I referenced a post by a guy named JediMike called "Defeat Mechanisms" which talks about the different ways guys are blown out when picking up women and ways to get around it.  Well, I just got an email from Mike about a follow-up he’s written to this post.

Dude , you reposted a post of mine from my now defunct LJ on your digest a whiles back entitled "Defeat Mechanisms in PU."

I hate posts like that because they provide problems and not solutions, and recognisisng those defeat mechanisms fucked up my game for months.

With that in mind, here is the answer to "Defeat Mechanisms", and IMHO the solution to that problem.

BTW   I LOVED "Art of Approaching". Had I read it earlier it would have saved me TWO YEARS of experimentation. Literally.

regards,
Mike Walden

So here’s Mike’s new take on defeat mechanisms, title "James Bond and PU."

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Dr. Neder on Beliefs

Got an email from blog poster Handsom Man (who seems to have his own blog now, by the way =) who referenced an article written by Dr. Neder, of DYD fame, on Beliefs.  So if you’re looking for some good info on Inner Game stuff, check it out by reading on below…

Update!

Just got this email from the good doctor himself…

Dr. Neder writes:
Hello ThunderCat!

I appreciate you
posting my article on your site. However I’d like to point out just a few
discrepancies:

1) I’m not of "DYD"
fame. I’ve written two books, recorded CD’s, written hundreds of articles, done
hundreds of TV and radio appearances, all under "Being a Man in a Woman’s
World". Perhaps you could correct that?

2) I post articles
free of use (a new one each week by the way if you’re interested), and ask only
that you always include the following byline with them (at the end of the
article):

————
Have a love, dating,
relationship, sex or man/woman question? I answer all email. You can write to me
at dwneder@beingaman.com for answers.
For more information about my books, "Being a Man in a Woman’s World" (volumes I
& II), and other products visit: www.beingaman.com. Check out the discussion
group at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beingaman. Copyright (c) 2005,
Dr. Dennis W. Neder
All rights reserved.
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Slow Week

Hi All,

Sorry for the lack of posting this week.  My schedule has been so hectic I haven’t had time to find stuff to comment on!  So use this post as an open thread to talk about whatever you want.

And if anyone out there wants to help out, you can always email me links to articles, message board posts, interesting websites, rants, raves, reviews, articles you wrote yourself, whatever it may be just to make my job a bit easier!  =)

Seduction Center

Got a message from the Croatian camp today from a guy who goes by the name KillaBee.

k1lla bee writes:
Hi Thundy, i am wondering about something and since you got most info about seduction community i think you can help me out.

I am talking about this www.seduction-center.com where my friend Seduction One, or his other nick on Lounge is El-Kabiljo already held one awesome free workshop, and we would like to spread the word a little around the community. We are from Croatia he is in game around 4-5 years one of old school Croatian players with Attila, and Bad Boy and i am 2 years in game, but i am more oriented towards marketing and show people what they get from this, and he to showing them on field.  I think that page shows enough of info about type of thing we are doing.

We are not rock stars, or poker players or whatever this guys in USA pretend to be to sell the product, we are just normal cool guys that are having much fun in their life, and we want more fun. We don’t do this for living and that’s why there is no pressure and guys really enjoy having cool time with us.

The website actually is pretty slick looking, and the English ain’t bad either.  Who knows?  It may just be worth checking out.

The End Of The Community

Hi all,

Got an email from a guy named "Neg Leshay" foreboding the "End of the Community."  Thought I’d share it with you.

Neg Leshay writes:
Hi TC,

Here’s one to consider for your blog:

MINE’99 threatened he could destroy the community, but have the scientists beat him to it!?!

Check out the attached article from The Sun-Herald newspaper – Sydney, Australia, June 19, 2005, page 25.

"If you are no good at chatting up members of the opposite sex there is nothing you can do about it."

The BBC also say, "Men who are no good at wooing the ladies may be able to blame their genes"
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4098344.stm)

So that’s it. The scientists have finally proven that everything the "community" is striving to achieve is pointless. You’re either born with game, or not.

Return all those DYD CDs, cancel your Mystery Lounge subscription, forget about that next RSD seminar – it’s all a complete waste of time!

We are far better of spending our time constructively blaming our parents for the pathetic genes they endowed us with.

Alternatively, I suspect there is a pack of incredibly horny scientists out there who just aren’t getting laid.

Chilling.

How Do People Meet Other People?

Back in the day when I was a lonely, clueless loser who’d spend his weeknights sitting hunched over the computer viewing internet porn instead of interacting with society, I used to wonder:  “How do people meet each other?”

To me, this question was on the same level as “Which came first, the chicken or the egg?” and “If a tree falls in the forest with no one around, does it make a sound?”  It was basically a question one could never truly know the answer to.  Though, every time I would go out in public and see guy after guy with their girlfriends and wives, I would be reminded of this question.

How do people meet each other?

Or more specifically, how do guys meet women?  What does everyone else know that I don’t?  Why am I alone and they are with somebody?  What is the secret?

Once I decided to take control of my life and make a concerted effort to meet women, I discovered the secret.  And it’s a secret that’s so simple, so obvious, that I wonder why I didn’t know it before.  Some of you out there reading this probably already know the secret, some might be like I was and not be aware of it.  But when you hear it, this secret will make perfect sense.  So are you ready to hear it?  The secret to meeting other people is…

You talk to them.

Was I right?  Is it obvious?  I know it may seem rather simplistic, but this is probably the single most important notion there is when it comes to getting a girlfriend/wife/booty call, or what have you.  If you do not talk to someone, you will never MEET them.

And you can’t have a relationship with someone you never meet.

The simple act of talking to a woman can lead to so many different things:

–You get a glimpse into her personality
–You find out what you two have in common
–You get to see if there’s any chemistry between the two of you
–You give yourself an opening to get her contact information
–You establish a level of trust and comfort that will allow you to ask her out later on

All this from the simple act of moving your mouth and having words come out!

It is because of this concept that I wrote my book, The Art Of Approaching, because there is so much to know about meeting women.  You can talk to them, but what if they don’t respond favorably?  What if you run out of stuff to talk about?  What if you can’t even think of something to talk about at all?

This is where the concept of the “opener” comes in.

I’ve talk about openers in other newsletters before, and I go into extreme detail about them in my book.  But having a good opener is too important a concept just to let it go mentioned once or twice.

Without a good opener to use when meeting a woman, you’re really rolling the dice and taking a chance that what you say to her initially will:

1.    Get her to talk to you
2.    Engage her in conversation

Maybe what you say will get her to respond with a “Yes or no” answer.  If that’s the case, where do you go from there?

Maybe what you have to say will get her to explain something to you, but will it really engage her in conversation?  Will she continue to talk to you so you can establish that “trust and comfort” foundation you’ll need to get her information?

These are the factors you have to take into account when you go about meeting a woman.  Here are some examples of openers you want to avoid:

“Do you know where X is?”
“Do I know you from somewhere?”
“That’s a nice X you’re wearing.”
“Do you come here often?”

The list goes on.  But if you look at all those statements above, they don’t really lead anywhere.  They’re not engaging, they’re not interesting, and they will not help you get to know the woman you’re talking to any better.

Here’s a good opener for you to “test out” this weekend or whenever you’re going out next.  When you see a girl you like and want to meet, walk up to her and ask:

“Hey, I got a quick question.  Do you read your horoscope?”

See how this opener differs from the ones above?  You’re not asking her an ordinary question she hears a million times a day, and there’s an intriguing element to it.  Most women are interested in horoscopes and other new-agey stuff, so even if they DON’T read their horoscope, they may be interested in why you’re asking the question.

If she says YES, it is easy to ask her what her sign is and what her horoscope is telling her.  This is great because she will be giving you information about herself that you can use to your advantage in the conversation.

If she says NO, ask her if she’s ever checked her horoscope before and then ask her what her sign is.

No matter what she says, always follow up with “Hmmm.  That’s interesting…”

When she asks “Why?” say “Well, I don’t want you to take this the wrong way, but you know what they say about Pisces (or Aries, or Scorpio, or whatever her sign is)?”

By now she’ll be really interested.  Follow up by saying “Pisces (Aries, etc.) women are the most sexual women out there.”

Watch her reaction, and then follow up with a story to get the conversation flowing.  Here’s one I use:

“I know this because my ex girlfriend was a Pisces (Aries, whatever), and she was the most sexual woman you’ll ever meet.  We used to have so much fun together, doing all sorts of wild things, she was totally open to doing anything.  I used to think it was just her, but every Pisces woman I’ve dated has always been really fun and sexual.  What’s the wildest thing you’ve ever done?”

See how that works?  You set it up so that you present her with a role you want her to adopt (being sexual and fun and open to anything), and show it in a positive light.  And even if she doesn’t agree with your assessment of her sign, you’re getting her to share with you what wild stuff she HAS done.

Before you know it, you’re in a conversation!

Typically, you’ll want to have three good openers to use one after another, all with follow-up stories to get the conversation flowing.

I cover this strategy and more in great detail in my book, The Art Of Approaching.  If you really want to get good at meeting women and unlocking the mystery of getting a girlfriend, you need to download your copy today!  You can do so by clicking here.

The sooner you check out my book, the sooner you can go out and meet any woman you want!

Wishing you success with women,

Thundercat

Desmond Morris on Body Language

Santino Nero has an interesting post up on his blog about the "12 steps of Body Language," (which is actually a quote from BG on his blog).  So props to both these guys for calling attention to it:

"Desmond Morris identified twelve steps which Western couples pass
through on the way to sexual intimacy. Occasionally a step may be
missed out, but they almost always occur in this order:

1. Eye to body
2. Eye to eye
3. Voice to voice
4. Hand to hand
5. Arm to shoulder
6. Arm to waist
7. Mouth to mouth
8. Hand to head
9. Hand to body
10. Mouth to breast
11. Hand to genitals
12. Genitals to genitals"

I’d point out they left out "Mouth to genitals," but hey, what do I know?  Maybe that’s unlucky #13?  =)

DYD Creates Wussies?

BG has a post up on his blog where he takes a rather critical look at some of the teachings in the Double Your Dating ebook…

BG writes:
Watch out for the Double Your Dating eBook guys. There’s some advice in
there that’s simply false, incorrect, incomplete or confusing.

For instance:

• David DeAngelo says to not touch a girl when you meet her. Act distant.
  This is hard to get for wussies!! A 10 knows you want her. Be a man,
  show her that you’re not afraid to touch her.
• David DeAngelo says
  to stay cocky and funny all the time (throughout the first ten dates or
  so). What the fuck!? "Never drop that social mask, because she’ll see
  the wussy". For AFC’s this might be true, but not being C&F doesn’t
  equal being a wussy. Just be relaxed, try to make a connection, create
  a comfortable situation where the two of you learn to trust each other.
  That’s rapport! Staying on C&F is just lame and can come across as:
  insecure, ‘too cool for her’ (over-qualification), or coming across as
  a jerk who’s actually not interested in her. C&F can blow you out.
• There’s one post where I am in a club.. And I’m looking for some girl,
  because I’m leaving and I have to ask for her number. So I walk around,
  spot her on the dance floor, but I’m too afraid to go up to her,
  because she had already spotted me. I actually thought that going right
  up to her would come across as NEEDY and desperate! Haha. And that’s
  what I learnt from DYD.. So it actually turned me into a bigger wuss on
  some areas.

I think BG is right on with a lot of his observations.  If you’re going to err by either sticking to advice too rigidly, or being too relaxed with the advice, err on the side of being too relaxed.

I have come to believe that too many guys try to hide their true intentions from women, and that’s where things get sticky.  If you like a girl, don’t try to hide it.  If you want to ask for her number, ask for it.  Don’t try to be too manipulative.  If you do it all with a cool, laid back attitude, it’ll work.

Juggler On Approaching Women In Clubs

Juggler has a short (but sweet) post up on his blog about how he meets women in clubs.  It’s a bit different from most of the other methods out there, but I think in a way it could be more effective.

Juggler writes:
When I enter a night club I am a little nervous. It’s dark. People are
dressed up. I don’t know anyone and people as a rule are standoffish.
But as I begin to talk to those first few people I make friends. I
begin to feel relaxed and then I spread out.

I
have recently realized that the average would-be pick-up artist
approaches his seduction environment quite differently. He runs around
and does sets. He may do 5-20 cold approaches per night. He has to
re-motivate himself, re-calibrate, decide on an opener and approach
5-20 times. This seems alien to me and frankly I think it is time to
consider it an old-fashioned concept.

When you go out you
should do 1 cold approach – the first one. After that the rest are warm
approaches. You bounce off of people. You establish roots. You make
friends.

One of my favorite things is to become friends with a
group of people and then catch the eye of a girl, smile, wave and
approach. I am not a strange guy approaching, I am the ambassador of my
group. You can literally meet everyone in a club this way.

This
is not advanced. What it takes is a commitment to see other people as
possible friends and not as possible enemies. It takes an ability to
establish trust and make friends quickly.

There are two very different schools of thought out there when it comes to approaching women.  One is the "numbers game" method where you cold approach as many different women as you can until you find one that’s open to you.  The other is the "quality over quantity" method that states you should only look for girls that are displaying interest and open to you approaching them.

Both have their advantages and disadvantages to them.  Personally, I’ve become a fan of the "quality over quantity" approach.  I started off with your typical cold approach method when I was first learning this stuff, and it can be quite a successful method — but it’s really hard work.  It takes a lot of energy and willpower to walk around talking to women you don’t know (plus, you run a high risk or rejection).

The "QOQ" method doesn’t really get you to meet a lot of women, but it does help you to meet the kind of women that you’ll probably continue to see on a regular basis.  So though you don’t meet as many chicks, your risk of rejection drops down considerably.

I think Juggler’s approach is a good one, and it’s not too far off from Mystery’s "group theory," which is pretty much the best way to meet women in club settings.

Science Proves Men And Women Have Different Brains

Just found this little biddy off the newswires.  Turns out that a recent study has proven that men and women have different types of brains, which could explain the differences in how the two sexes feel, move, and act.  I’ve reposted most of the article here for your reading convenience.

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Batman Begins!

Okay, I know this is a little off-topic, but whatever, it’s my blog!  Mwuahahaha!

I saw Batman Begins last night, and all I have to say is…

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the best movie of the summer.  Bar none.  Forget Star Wars, forget Mr. & Mrs. Smith, forget War Of The Worlds even!  Batman Begins is where it’s at!

I’ve always been a big fan of Batman, and I always thought the early Batman movies (even the ones with Adam West and George Clooney) were enjoyable to watch.  But Batman Begins has them all beat!  This one is the ULTIMATE Batman movie!

I can’t recommend this sucker enough.  Even if you’re not a Batman fan, you’re going to love this film.  It’s better than Spiderman AND X-Men.  I’ll even go so far as to say it’s the BEST COMIC BOOK MOVIE EVER MADE!

When you’re watching it, it’s totally believable that there’s this guy who runs around the city dressed like a bat.  There is not a single thing wrong with this film!  I wish it had lasted 4 hours instead of just 2.

Everyone out there reading this post, go see Batman Begins!  Not now — right now!  See it five times.  Take dates to it.  It’s one of those rare gems where everyone in the audience can get totally into it and have fun.

Okay, that’s my off-topic rant for the month.  Post your opinions about Batman Begins here!

The Myth Of Flash Game

Dimitri, over at Real Social Impact (guess they haven’t picked a new name yet) has a good post up about something he calls "flash game."

Dimitri writes:
You go out
to the club. You just opened a girl then jumped into some routines,
gotten her laughing and giggling. You jokingly flirt with your wingman
like he’s your boyfriend. The girl touches you and you say “Hands off
the merchandise.” Everything’s going well… but then she leaves to
dance, or to see her friends, or… something, and you don’t see her
again.

That wouldn’t be too upsetting, but it’s the fourth set of the night.
That you lost like that. And your numbers aren’t panning out when you
get them.

What’s going on here?

There’s a style of game that gets guys into conversation and gets
reactions that are seemingly positive from women without getting you
real results. The problem is that it’s all flash… you’re not really
getting anywhere.

A solid interaction that leads to sex or a relationship usually doesn’t
look too impressive to onlookers. If they catch you opening her,
they’ll be impressed, but within a few minutes, you’ll look like old
friends catching up. A few minutes later and it’ll look like you’re her
boyfriend.

When Woodhaven introduced Natural Game, some thought it was called that
because it was a style used by “naturals” – Not the case. It’s called
Natural Game because it’s what women naturally respond to. It’s broken
down from successful seductions across the ages, and it works.

When you carry an interaction seductively, in a natural, cool way, you
get results. You get women. When you entertain, and be flashy, it looks
good if you’re trying to impress a guy nearby, but it doesn’t get real
results with the woman at nearly the frequency of a cool, natural
approach.

Some instructors demonstrate flash game to impress their students. It
impresses, too: If a guy has never gotten with a woman off a cold
approach, how would he know what a good interaction looks like? The
barrage of joking around, crazy routines, and flashy stuff looks like
just what the guy was missing: But it’s not.

How many approaches have you done without getting consistently good
results? Anyone who says you need 1000 approaches before you’re at all
good is full of shit: Flash game takes that long to get rolling because
it’s a poor formula. You’re trying to make bad game work okay (and
getting really bad habits in the process).

Flash game might be better than nothing. You’re going to get more
results spitting out ridiculous nonsense than you will sitting at home
eating potato chips. But if you’ve done even dozens of approaches and
you don’t feel like you’re getting further along each time, it’s time
to reanalyze your game. Flash game might look cool for your buddies,
but take it to the next level and start getting the women you want.

I agree with this this post 100%.  In fact, there’s one group of workshop people out there who rely COMPLETELY on flash game to wow their students without really being able to follow through with any of the women they interact with.  Flash game can be quite an easy pitfall to trip into when you’re first starting out.

I’d also like to expand on Dimitri’s take a bit and say that Flash Game is also about having a set of memorized routines or patterns, with no real knowledge of how to interact with others.  Whenever you’re talking to a girl and you get to a point where you don’t know what to say or where to take it, that’s Flash Game too.  You’ve only prepared yourself up to a certain point, and you burn out quick.

Though I do think routines are good to know, if you don’t know how to relate to others and interact with them on a basic social level, you’re never going to get more than that initial reaction from the women you talk to.

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