Swinggcat interview postponed

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Well, I’d hoped to launch the new Lair with a blast today by putting up the first part of my exclusive interview with Swinggcat, but due to technical difficulties, it’s going to have to wait untill tomorrow. However, it’s well worth the wait. Swingg gets in-depth into his method for seduction, and I learned an amazing ammount from our little pow-wow. I can’t wait to share it with all of you. Come back tomorrow, and I promise it’ll be up this time! =)

Swinggcat’s new student… Tyler Durden?

So Tyler has a really excellent thread going in the Advanced board of mASF called “How to play hard to get, actually for real.” You can read the whole thing here.

Anyways, everyone’s loving it, and then dvs comes along and posts this:

dvs writes:
nice post. how to get girls to chase you is explained in greater depth in the realworldseduction ebook by swinggcat. it kicks ass and i recommend it to anyone interested in getting a girl to chase you. its right up there with deangelo’s shit.

i find that for me personally what works better than the active disinterest act is conveying my tentative interest. like if she says the wrong thing or doesn’t live up to my standards and expectations than I’m going to lose interest.

conveying tentative interest makes the hole thing run much smoother in terms of transitioning, IME.

I have to agree with dvs on this one. I think tentative interest is very much an important part of a seduction. I used to be in the TD camp with the whole “active disinterest” thing, but seeing Swinggcat in action and reading his book, I’ve found using tentative interest is much more effective, because it allows you to take that interest away as a form of “Push-Pull.”

Swinggcat’s new student… Tyler Durden?

So Tyler has a really excellent thread going in the Advanced board of mASF called “How to play hard to get, actually for real.” You can read the whole thing here.

Anyways, everyone’s loving it, and then dvs comes along and posts this:

dvs writes:
nice post. how to get girls to chase you is explained in greater depth in the realworldseduction ebook by swinggcat. it kicks ass and i recommend it to anyone interested in getting a girl to chase you. its right up there with deangelo’s shit.

i find that for me personally what works better than the active disinterest act is conveying my tentative interest. like if she says the wrong thing or doesn’t live up to my standards and expectations than I’m going to lose interest.

conveying tentative interest makes the hole thing run much smoother in terms of transitioning, IME.

I have to agree with dvs on this one. I think tentative interest is very much an important part of a seduction. I used to be in the TD camp with the whole “active disinterest” thing, but seeing Swinggcat in action and reading his book, I’ve found using tentative interest is much more effective, because it allows you to take that interest away as a form of “Push-Pull.”

Vince Runza revealed?

Vince posted his Yahoo Profile on mASF. I checked it out. It’s pretty cool, actually. And the best part is, he lives in Scranton, PA!!! I used to roll up there bodyguarding for two stripper friends of mine when they danced at the Diamond Club while I was in college. Crazy. I knew there was a reason why I liked this guy, lol.

You can check out his Yahoo profile here.

Review of 1 on 1 Badboy Workshop

ElFucto just postd his review of his 1-on-1 Badboy workshop in Croatia.  With Badboy coming to the States soon, interest is growing as to whether his workshops are as good as everyone says they are.  It’s a generally positive review, and ElFucto seemed pleased.  I don’t know if this link will last since he posted it on the wrong board (General instead of Field Report), but for now you can read it here.

Feminator vs. Vince, who’s gonna get Bitchslapped? Chances are it’s the one with the $$$

Just found a rather entertaining post on mASF where Feminator tries his best to attack the mighty Vince Runza, the old school ASFer from back in the day.  Here’s Fem’s opening blow…

Feminator writes:
VINCE NEEDS TROLLS INSTEAD OF PUSSY

Somebody send me today an email with all this stuff from the archive. Thanks a lot, because now i see, who is the real troll! Vince is desperatly searching for trolls, instead of improving methods!

Then he goes on to post a series of flames from the old uASF board dealing with Ray Gordon and the like.  Anyways, Vince responds:

Vince Runza writes:
You should have read for content, doofus! Now, why don’t you check out alt.seduction.fast, the newsgroup these posts were taken from? Heh, find out what they sounded like in context?

Plus, you’ll meet Ray Gordon. Oooh, you two are made for each other! Also, practically noone there will suspect what a thief you are.

ROFLMFAO!
Vince
–
8===Ð

But I think the whole thing is summed up best by Yuri, who writes:

Yuri writes:
Just as Dmitri said, Feminator is in Vince’s reality… Therefore, since Feminator is spending EXCESS TIME thinking about this problem when Vince is probably just shrugging it off, he is out-alphaed. That’s what I mean what I said that Feminator lost already.

If you want to read the whole sad, sad thread, check it out here.

Feminator vs. Vince, who’s gonna get Bitchslapped? Chances are it’s the one with the $$$

Just found a rather entertaining post on mASF where Feminator tries his best to attack the mighty Vince Runza, the old school ASFer from back in the day.  Here’s Fem’s opening blow…

Feminator writes:
VINCE NEEDS TROLLS INSTEAD OF PUSSY

Somebody send me today an email with all this stuff from the archive. Thanks a lot, because now i see, who is the real troll! Vince is desperatly searching for trolls, instead of improving methods!

Then he goes on to post a series of flames from the old uASF board dealing with Ray Gordon and the like.  Anyways, Vince responds:

Vince Runza writes:
You should have read for content, doofus! Now, why don’t you check out alt.seduction.fast, the newsgroup these posts were taken from? Heh, find out what they sounded like in context?

Plus, you’ll meet Ray Gordon. Oooh, you two are made for each other! Also, practically noone there will suspect what a thief you are.

ROFLMFAO!
Vince
–
8===Гђ

But I think the whole thing is summed up best by Yuri, who writes:

Yuri writes:
Just as Dmitri said, Feminator is in Vince’s reality… Therefore, since Feminator is spending EXCESS TIME thinking about this problem when Vince is probably just shrugging it off, he is out-alphaed. That’s what I mean what I said that Feminator lost already.

If you want to read the whole sad, sad thread, check it out here.

mASF — Stronger, Faster, Better…

Looks like there has been a reason for the latest downtime of Fastseduction.com and mASF. Seems Formhandle was piddling around with the server! Here’s the latest lowdown:

Formhandle writes:
The beloved primary server is back where it belongs — under my office desk, and now connected to a full T1. I can finally crack my knuckles and get some REAL work done around here, managing the server and updates remotely has been a pain to say the least.

I’ve tested all configurations before bringing everything back live but if anyone notices any quirks such as mail delivery errors, access errors, or similar, let me know.

Although the server is now behind a full T1, access speed to the site might not seem any faster than before – the co-location hosting offered burst capability but the site was billed for 256K @ 95%, not allowing the site to support significantly larger increases in traffic without huge additional costs. Traffic can now remain affordable up to 5 or 6x current levels.

Next, Formhandle will replace his server with Skynet, and then the machines will rise and fuck all our women. =)

DYD on Askmen.com?

Just found this out, but it seems that David DeAngelo is now a columnist for Askmen.com, one of the largest online men’s magazines on the internet! Wow, that is pure genius from a marketing standpoint. You have to hand it to David D. for branching out and bridging that gap between “creepy subculture” and “legitimate mainstream.” What a coup.

You can read his latest article for Askmen.com here.

Notice how it says Relationship Correspondant — Every Second Monday on there? Looks like the newsletters were just a warm-up! lol.

Welcome to the New Lair!

Greetings everybody!

Well, here are the new digs. Hope you like them. I’ll be updating the blog every day except for the weekends, unless something really cool happens on the weekend, that is. All the posts from the old Lair can be found in the archives for February, with the exception of the replies, which I couldn’t transfer over from the old DONUTHRADZ site.

Anyway, feel free to e-mail me and let me know what you think of the new digs.

Thundercat

Appology to Ross Jefffries

Well, it seems I may have hurt Ross’s feelings, due to the light of his recent replies to me. And I do feel bad for being so hard on Ross, since I really don’t dislike the guy. He was always pretty friendly to me when we met in person. Sometimes it’s easy to get carried away on the internet, and easy to forget you’re dealing with real people and real feelings. And I’d like to take this opportunity to publically appologize to Ross Jeffries for my rather harsh comments. They were quite inappropriate. I’m sure Ross really did invent all he claims and the people he’s giving a hard time did in fact steal his stuff.

So in an effort to burry the hatchet and make ammends with my guru of 6 years, I have created a special message meant specifically for Ross Jeffries.

Click Here Ross Jeffries!

Love always,

Your Thundercat

PS: Dad says hi. =)

Big Big things in the works…

Well, it seems I can’t log onto mASF today (it’s down, or something). Plus, it’s Friday, and I’m going on about 3 hours of sleep right now while I’m trying to get stuff done at work. So I won’t be posting any updates today.

However, I have something really, really BIG that I’m working on for the blog on Monday. In fact, I’d go so far as to say you’ll never look at the Lair the same way again. But for now I’m gonna keep it under wraps and secretly work on it over the weekend, so you’ll just have to come back at the beginning of next week if you want to find out what it is.

Oh, did I mention it was gonna be BIG?

=)

Thundercat

Ross Jeffries Bans Top Student

Well, the big news today comes from the Speed Seduction world, where it seems Ross’s paranoid streak continues. Apparently Ross has Kicked and Banned one of his top students — In10se — from the SS e-mail list and all SS related events. I talked to In10se on the phone last night, and he sounded pretty down about the whole ordeal. Luckily, I was able to console him due to my own experience with bearing Ross’s wrath, as evidenced here. But such is the danger when you start to think for yourself in the cult of Speed Seduction.

Apparently, Ross called up In10se on the phone yesterday, simply irate, accusing him of stealing his material and posting it as his own. Ross demanded that In10se write up a post clarifying that he’d stolen Ross’s stuff, which In10se reluctantly did to appease the ”guru.” However, Ross seemed to have kicked and banned him anyway.

For those of you who may not know who In10se is, he’s one of the stars of the Speed Seduction world. Back in the day when Ross and Mystery were in a pissing contest on Cliff’s List, In10se, along with Swinggcat, were the two student’s Ross was willing to put up against Mystery to prove who had the better system of seduction. I personally have always enjoyed In10se’s posts, I found them very similar to the kind of deep insight Juggler used to post. In10se’s stuff deals mostly with inner/mid-game issues, and is much more suble than a lot of the Mystery Method stuff.

Regardless, this whole ”Smeagoling” Ross is doing is getting to be ridiculous. It was kind-of funny at first, but now it’s boarderline psychotic. He’s claiming he’s invented everything, for God’s sake. I picture him locked in his appartment, sitting in a dark corner, petting his Green Lantern ring, chanting ”They stoles it! My precious… It’s mine! MINE!” Just the fact that he’d take someone like In10se, someone who’s posts are generally full of good information, someone who’s good enough to be on Mystery’s Lounge, and even have his own message board, and accuse him of stealing is ludicrous, especially considering Ross’s rather checkered past with taking other people’s material and claiming it for his own.

This leads me to wonder if there’s actually anyone left in the Ross camp that’s worth listening to? I mean, he’s pretty much kicked off any good poster that was on his e-mail list, or the good posters just stop posting because Ross would berate them for thinking outside the box. That list is slowly, painfully dying. Also, Ross has no student’s of note anymore. There’s still Riker, but if he’s smart he’d distance himself from this sinking ship as fast as possible and start up his own products. Ross is quickly alienating himself from anyone of merrit, and it can only end up hurting his business.

However, to those loyal SSers in there who may be afraid of getting Kicked and Banned themselves, fear not. I, Thundercat, have come up with a few simple guidelines to help you avoid a Ross Jeffries’ temper tantrum. Basically, the guideline is very simple. You MUST give Ross credit for everything he’s invented. If you do this, you will guarantee that Ross will not kick and ban you from his cult, er… I mean, teachings.

In order to help you out, below is a list of things Ross Jeffries has invented, and how to properly give him credit for it:

10 Ways To Not Get Kicked and Banned

1. Shit. Now, I know what you’re thinking. Human feces has been around since time began. But no one has ever laid claim to them until Ross came along, as evidenced by his products, which fall into the same category. But to keep Ross from getting jealous, every time you sit on the can and have to pinch a big nasty brown loaf, be sure to give credit by yelling out ”This doot is for you, Ross Jeffries!” and then proceed to sqeeze that tasty brick of bad chie from your intestinal track. I would even go so far as to box up the poo and mail it to Ross. Flushing it may have him after you worse than someone trying to sell his shit on e-bay.

2. Massive Insecurity. This is another Ross Jeffries’ invention that he will come after you for displaying without proper credit. Ross has had this market cornered for a while now, so it’s important that the next time you get that anxious, sweaty-palm feeling, you chant ”Ross Jeffries, Ross Jeffries, Ross Jeffries,” through you’re clenched teeth. Be sure you do this before you start crying, otherwise Ross will be forced to flame you on his list.

3. Not getting laid for 6 months or more. Yes, Ross invented the concept of prolonged abstinance, and if you haven’t been getting laid, then every second of the day when you are not having sex, you must at least be thinking ”I’m not having sex because of Ross Jeffries.” And when someone asks you how long it’s been since you last got laid, your responce must be ”Ross Jeffries!” Which everyone will know to mean you haven’t been laid in a looooong time. Either that, or you can respond sadly ”Ross Jeffries,” so everyone will know that Ross Jeffries did, in fact, fuck you in some respect — be it for buying a shitty product or ass rape.

4. Copious Masterbation. Ross was the first person to copiously masterbate. So everytime you’re wanking it, you must match you’re K-Y induced rythm with ”Thank you Ross Jeffries for inventing copious masterbation. May I do it some more?” over and over again, because when it comes to this patented Ross technique, it’s not just enough to give him credit, you must ask permission, which he will psychically grant or deny, based on where he is in his circle of power.

5. Paranoid Ramblings. If you find yourself talking to yourself, and thinking everyone is out to get you, just remember: Ross Jeffries is your friend.

6. Man/Boy Love. If you should find yourself having sex with a little boy, just remember to give Ross the credit for driving you to such extreme measures to get your dickie wet. Each thrust into the little boy should be accompanied by ”Ross, Ross, Ross, Ross Jeffries!” Remember, 3 short, 1 long!

7. Ownership of Cats. Yes, feline’s have been cornered by Ross Jeffries, since that’s the closest he can get to having pussy. If you own a cat, it should be enough to simply name it ”Ross Jeffries,” so every time you refer to it, you can place the proper credit to where it’s due.

8. Fucking ugly women. To give Ross credit, he really did pioneer a lot of this. So the next time you’re with a woman who weighs upwards of 300 pounds, has facial hair, jelly rolls, massive thighs, huge gaping pustuils, some type of VD, is bald, has no teeth, sweats a lot, has terrible breath, and more hair on her pussy than should legally exist on a human body, you MUST give thanks to Ross Jeffries, who’s been with women uglier than that since his LA ’99 video.

9. Sweating profusely. Ross has lead advances in the ”sweat” technology out there. If you find yourself covered in a healthy sheen of salty lather on a regular basis, just tell everyone who’s grossed out by you that you owe it all to Ross Jeffries.

10. Premature ejaculation. If you’re scared and you cum too quick, just laugh it off by saying you learned it at a Ross Jeffries’ Psychic Influence seminar. The girl (or tranni) will understand.

There, that should be enough to keep you in Ross’s good graces. Just remember: When in doubt, accredit it to Ross.

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Thundercat

PS: This post is dedicated to Ross, who invented it. In fact, he wrote it himself. He also created not only typing, but computers and the internet in general, as evidenced in his LA ’99 videos. Premature ejacualtion and copious masterbation are all trademarks of Straightforward Inc.

Steve Piccus Reminder

Because of the nature of a daily blog, a lot of info get’s lost in the shuffle. I just wanted to remind people of the Major Mark Seminar which he’s holding to benefit Steve Piccus, who’s life was almost destroyed due to the San Diego fires a few months back. If you’re interested in helping out or want to attend the seminar, you can find all the information here.

Thundercat

Attraction Not Necessary?

Formhandle put up an interesting post concerning the usefulness of attraction in a sarge. You can read the thread here, but the jist of it is that Formie doesn’t think attraction is necessary to get a girl into bed (at least, not on the girl’s part, anyway). He breaks it down like this…

Formhandle writes:
1. FIND
2. MEET
3. REMOVE ASD
4. ISOLATE
5. BYPASS LMR
6. FUCK
7. ATTRACT (OPTIONAL)

Step 7 seems unnecessary, even, unless more is wanted in the future out of the interaction.

I think Formhandle brings up some good points here, but I think he misses the boat a bit. I’ve had many discussions with Swinggcat about this very subject, and I agree with Formhandle that you do not need complete attraction with a girl to get her to want to lay you. However, I think the crux of the problem with Form’s theory is his definition of attraction. Basically, I have no idea what he is talking about when he says the word ”attraction.”

To me, attraction is an intense need for validation. If a girl really needs your validation, she’s attracted to you because she will do a number of things to get that validation. And that intense need for validation is created through the use of sexual tension, where you can invalidate the girl as a sexual object and make her strive to get that back. Neo-Rio said it best when he stated If you treat a woman with respect, she feels cheap because she feels pressure to do something to advance the relationship. If you treat her like an inanimate object in your reality, she feels special because you’re making all the effort and she doesn’t have to do squat.

Swinggcat has this concept called ”Sexual Barriers,” which is what Formhandle is indirectly referring to with the theories in his post. Basically, sexual barriers are obstacles a woman puts up to keep others from finding out how to have sex with her. The example Swingg uses all the time is being with a girl who’d fuck anyone at the drop of a hat, but refuses to kiss because it’s ”Too Intimate.” Usually, most guys will try to kiss the girl and then move into sex, but with this girl, Kissing is a sexual barrier — so when she rejects a kiss from a guy, the guy may think ”Oh, she’s not into me. I can’t have sex with her.” When in reality, he could simply bypass this sexual barrier and go for the lay through another method, such as intense kino, body sensations, etc.

Most people would just pound against these barriers hoping they’d be able to break them down. What I think Swinggcat and Formhandle are saying is that there are OTHER ways to get a girl to sleep with you rather than through conventional method. Sex is such a large part of many women’s lives, that I think it’s not unrealistic to bypass most social graces and go for what you want. It’s something I’m experimenting with in my game at the moment, and I think it brings up a very valid point, which is most guys don’t understand what attraction is or what it means to women.

Something to think about, eh?

Thundercat

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