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It’ll be shit anyway though.
ALL HAIL TYLER AND ROSS JEFFRIES
LoL yeah you could take a course from Tyler, or Ross, or Mystery, or Neil Stauss, or Mehow…
BUT FOR THE SAME PRICE YOU CAN BUY A COURSE FROM THUNDERCAT!
The community’s best known rAFC! Advanced knowledge on how to get LJBFed by HOT models!
RESULTS GUARANTEED!
(I think even Mehow’s course would be way better, even if the dude IS gay)
Mehows videos are very, very good…This is the first legitmate PUA to have the balls to put actual infield videos to the public…he may come of effeminate but I have to tell you I think the guys videos are awesome and more top community guys should do this to show their “legitimacy”….just my two cents….
Mehow is a SELLOUT….He advertised this product in his newsletter with an affiliate link attached to it…Same with Paul Janka and others..Ive heard through the grape vine that the only reason why people do business with Matt Joesph is because of his stupid 1-10 TOP PUA LIST every year…POLITICS is what makes this industry go around…PURE GARBAGE is a waste of money and time and Matt Joseph is the worst “PUA” in the scene…Case closed
What are you saying Don? Look at all of the hot girls he has around him in the pictures!! Are you saying that hot girls would let people they have no sexual attraction to take photos with them??? NOO, that isn’t possible….
I say thundercat goes on Mehow’s insider infielder. I would be interested in seeing that….
I am kind of curious to see what Barry’s role is in these vids though.
hey guys, i think i will download this program from http://www.theplace.bz/main.php or http://www.bitseduce.net or http://www.seductiongr.com
thanks for listening guys
hey guys, i meant http://www.bitseduce.com in my last post.
30milionminite.com – Matt’s other site where he brags about how he helped hype up and sell the Annihlation Method.
This guy is an internet marketer first and foremost, not a dating coach. He even says so in the site above. Dating advice is just one avenue he pursues, because he can make money in it.
He is looking out for his own interests, not yours. Every product he’s released is rehashed. This one looks like it’s going to crib commonly available ideas on communication and conversation.
Too bad he’s offering generous affiliate commissions, so every guru with a mailing list is selling out to promote it so they can make a buck too.
heres what i think of you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo
I am actively tracing the IP addresses of those who are promoting online theft on my site. We will pursue you and we have our ways of bringing you to justice. You creeps better make sure you don’t have any pirated material on your computers.
The top 10 list: thundercat how did you rank ross and td in your top in the WORLD all those years if they have no game?
“The top 10 list: thundercat how did you rank ross and td in your top in the WORLD all those years if they have no game?”
Don’t worry he won’t address that question. Most newbs who come here won’t take the time look back on it and realize what a hypocrite he is, so he just ignores it knowing that even though it won’t go away, a sucker is born every minute.
Notice how he gets irrate about potential loss of money. He doesn’t mind legal theft of newby money by way of pseudo-plagiarism and a false representation of skill.
Maestro does it really matter? The entire industry profits ONLY BECAUSE of newbies and ignorants. Think about that for a minute. This industry thrives and relies on ignorance. The target market is virgins who spend too much time on the computer. At least Thundercats teachings can be applied in real life, unlike some others who market crazy tactics and pickup lines that most guys will never use and if they do will be shot down. They get addicted to reading new material though, even though they would never use it and if they did it wouldn’t work out as you would think.
Most of this industry has become about pickup lines now thanks to Neil and his need to cash in. He couldn’t make it as a writer so he decided to expose this industry for his own needs.
You all sit on your computers and hate. Why are you so mad? Your mad because you know you are idiots getting sucked into this industry but since you don’t know any other way you stick with it even though you know it’s for idiots because deep down you know that you are idiots. So you take out all your fury and hate on others.
(I think even Mehow’s course would be way better, even if the dude IS gay)
he put out a free ebook a while ago on phone game that worked pretty well
Have you ever used RoSS Jeffries phone answering message? Has it worked for you?
Thundercat has every right to sell the information he has, including the 30minutemillion site. It is up to you to figure out if you think his information is helpful/ethical/etc. If you dont think it is, move on, but dont complain that he is making money from his own knowledge and success. Thats what most people do with their lives.
These guys don’t live their lives that way though Davis. Their pissed because they were stupid enough to believe that they can memorize some routines or learns some “tricks” and become a big ladiesman. They are so starved for pussy that they get all into this stuff, to the point of posting on a site regularly of a guy they just want to bash. They are called haters. They have NO real plans in life and nothing better to do than to sit around on the site of a guy they supposably don’t respect so they can bash him online as if anyone even gives a damn what they say in the first place.
No one cares guys. Your mad because your LOSERS. Grow up and get a real life and you won’t have to bother posting here to bash people for having a REAL gameplan in life.
“(I think even Mehow’s course would be way better, even if the dude IS gay)
he put out a free ebook a while ago on phone game that worked pretty well”
Yeah…actually I did use a couple of those text lines and the girls seemed to like them.
“Have you ever used RoSS Jeffries phone answering message? Has it worked for you?”
Yes I have and…err…no it hasn’t, but….if she’s flaking on me nothing else I’ve tried seems to work either. Maybe it only works if something really DID come up besides her losing the attraction, who knows? You can’t judge the man on that little thing.
And I didn’t say Mehow was gay, I said “even if he is gay.” I don’t know much about him because I don’t use the sites listed above and have never bought anything from him.
Maybe it was his texting that let me know even his course would be better than thundies, or maybe I just intuited it lol. What do you think?
Anon said:
“You all sit on your computers and hate. Why are you so mad? Your mad because you know you are idiots getting sucked into this industry but since you don’t know any other way you stick with it even though you know it’s for idiots because deep down you know that you are idiots. So you take out all your fury and hate on others.”
I don’t hate Thundie, I just think it’s funny as hell of the guy to be selling a seduction product. As for Neil, I’m not pissed at him for “selling out” as you call it. I’m pissed because I didn’t think of it first! It’s great pop culture to write about!
About the other stuff, I dunno if that’s really how it is. I’m from a small city, but I’ve travelled all over both sides of the Atlantic, and some of the stuff I actually spent money on has worked wonders for me. If I’m the exception to the rule I wouldn’t know, cuz I’m not in a Lair and don’t hang w/ community peeps. I can’t really vouch for things I’ve not tried, but I don’t want to see people spending this much cash on a Thundie product when I know that there’s much better quality info out there.
yada yada yada I think you should just give it a rest man. Calm down and step away from the computer.
Thunder Cat is the Tony Little of the Seduction Community except Tony Little has more game. Check that TC is the Richard Simmons of the community.
If its Pure Personality.. you want. Would it not be better to do a Tony Robbins type of Seminar than buy this product. Then one could get into seduction type stuff.
Nuff said
It doesn’t matter what a critic’s (hater’s) motivation is, only whether they’re making a valid point or not.
Even if they are all bitter losers with no lives, I still happen to agree when they say TC is an info marketer hack, and that people are better off turning elsewhere for their information.
pure poo poo
A bunch of posters who continue to post on thundercats site but say they don’t like thundercats products, is there a way to look like any more of a loser than that???
Dear Anonymous,
Why don’t you craddle his balls, stroke the shaft and shallow his man gravy?
Your cool man.
It’s only $497, I’m going to buy 10 of them.
Anom, I guess that’s the reason they are whining like little bratty girls. They feel left out because it’s too expensive. Talk about handling a problem like a little girl, then again thats the reason they even need to buy a product on women, they arn’t men.
Hey Oracle- what are YOU doing here, you big ol’ hunk of MAN, you?
Whats it matter what he’s doing here? We know for sure what he’s NOT doing here.
He’s not here to hate and flame on people from the comfort of a keyboard like a coward.
and
He’s not here to moan groan complain and cry like you seem to be.
Why don’t you haters let it go and step away from your computers? If you dislike Thundercat and you don’t see any value for his products then why do you consume yourself with his drama? Grow up.
“He’s not here to hate and flame on people from the comfort of a keyboard like a coward.”
HAHAHA do you actually READ Thundercat’s blog?! That’s about half of what he does on here.
I think a lot of people are of the belief that Thundercat is not fit to release expensive (overpriced) seduction products. I really doubt that most of the people taking shots at him would even want the product itself. It’s just clear that TC is trying to make money – whether he’s a fit teacher or not.
And I can’t help but notice the constant use of the word “haters” being used whenever somebody defends thundercat.
thundercat and his gal pal are the only other people I can think of who’ve used that term much before this entry.
Whether they’re shills for tc or not… what is everybody “hating” on?! Is he supposed to be some big time player? Most of the critical comments about Thundercat are valid – he shouldn’t be selling products about how to be a PUA.
And thundercat is CONSTANTLY hating on other people – such as RJ, Tyler Durden, RSD in general, etc.
So that’s a case of pot-kettle… (you know)
Easy E it’s obvious to me that you have put a lot of thought into all of this. Please don’t let me stand in the way of your online soap opera.
“He’s not here to hate and flame on people from the comfort of a keyboard like a coward.”
Ummm…yes he most certainly is.
Oracle is quite obviously hating on the people who flame or poke fun at Thundie. You know, the “haters.”
Maestro where do you find the time to talk to girls anyways?
I’ve had the chance to check out Thundercats product. Let me assure you guys that it is worth every single penny. The best comprehensive product I have ever seen. It definately blows away all the imposters out there that were just fortunate enough to make it into a exaggerated book for profit.
For the same price you can get revelations, which will teach you how to pick up shallow hot girls. If you just want normal girl next door types than stick with pure personality.
“Maestro where do you find the time to talk to girls anyways?”
We don’t talk so much, just mostly have sex.
Now, how long does it take YOU to post little paragraphs at different times with different names , can you answer me that, Anon/ Don/ Mystery Impersonator/Thundercat ?
By my calculations after having written these two posts, I’ll still have 23 hours and 57 minutes left in my day.
Now, for today’s lesson, for you newbs:
How does the following sentence, written in the add above by Thundercat, prove absolutely that THUNDIE has NO idea whatsoever what’s he’s talking about when it comes to creating the PROCESS of attraction in ANY woman while simultaneously making her incredibly sexually aroused?
“This is what you’d call my “attraction” course, I guess, since it is all about how to be more attractive to women – no matter what you look like. ”
Hint: Being more attractive is not the same thing as creating a gut level “attraction” in a woman, and being more attractive to women in general is NOT going to guarantee you sexual results.
“I’ve had the chance to check out Thundercats product. Let me assure you guys that it is worth every single penny. The best comprehensive product I have ever seen. It definately blows away all the imposters out there that were just fortunate enough to make it into a exaggerated book for profit.”
well said…… thundercat
“Hint: Being more attractive is not the same thing as creating a gut level “attraction” in a woman, and being more attractive to women in general is NOT going to guarantee you sexual results.’
You’lll get haphazard results, to get past that you need the heavy artillery..nudge….nudge
HAHAHHAA
Maestro gets absolutely NO PUSSY, the last post definately confirms it.
“Maestro gets absolutely NO PUSSY, the last post definately confirms it.”
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
hey guys..Donovan here.
I spoke with my buddy Thundy and he didn t sold not even one piece of “pp”till now so he decided to give it for free to the first 25 ppl who can agree that s. maestro is gay.
Tyler: “Pure Personality….it’s gonna be a masterpiece.”
“Maestro gets absolutely NO PUSSY, the last post definately confirms it.”
>>Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Ummm…you DID say it yourself, Thundie, and then you commented to yourself. Face it- everyone knows that no one who’s actually in this community AND having success with women would defend a product from YOU.
Your reputation precedes you. We know you’re not a total AFC, but we also know you’re along, long way from “guru.”
Maestro are you really that dillusional to believe that this is some conspiracy orchastrated by Thundercat against you? Your nobody man. Your some KJ on a computer with nothing better to do than to continue to defend your fragile ego with multiple emotional responces on this blog.
Thundercat has been selling products and information and making money from it for a long time. This product is no different. There is a reason he is still around. He has rolled with some of the top PUA’s and his blog and top 10 list continues to make waves in the seduction community. Do you really think he has the time or is even remotely threatened by your incoherent virgin kj ramblings? Your just a KJ with nothing going on, that’s obvious and evident by your posts. I know who you are man, I know people who know you. Give it a rest, your really embarrassing yourself right now.
Conspiracy? Emotional? Where do you get this stuff?
Thundie’s still around because he knows how to get massive hits to his site and he spreads juicy gossip. That is all.
And you don’t know anyone who knows me, or you wouldn’t be calling me a KJ.
It’s laughable.
7 to 8 hours a day I am on a computer because of my job, and I enjoy stopping by here between tasks to have a laugh. But when I see an RAFC selling ATTRACTION products to poor newbs who don’t know any better and probably need some real help in their lives, it really irks me.
Another Thundy Marketing Website From Big OLD Matt!
http://www.richjerkwebsites.com/
“Conspiracy? Emotional? Where do you get this stuff?
Thundie’s still around because he knows how to get massive hits to his site and he spreads juicy gossip. That is all.
And you don’t know anyone who knows me, or you wouldn’t be calling me a KJ.
It’s laughable.
7 to 8 hours a day I am on a computer because of my job, and I enjoy stopping by here between tasks to have a laugh. But when I see an RAFC selling ATTRACTION products to poor newbs who don’t know any better and probably need some real help in their lives, it really irks me.”
Do you EVER shut up man? Im really embarrased for you right now.
“And you don’t know anyone who knows me, or you wouldn’t be calling me a KJ.
It’s laughable.
7 to 8 hours a day I am on a computer because of my job, and I enjoy stopping by here between tasks to have a laugh.”
lol .. ok champ.
Oracle is thundercat’s NU1 fan
actually….Oracle IS Thundercat
Sure Oracle, you big MAN, you…and only because you commanded me to.
Your a funny guy Maestro.
“Bounce Bounce Bounce”
Listen to the Barry Kirkey Show…that’s funny
It’s funny how there’s suddently no new entries on this blog for a few days in order to keep the promo on top of the main page
What a joke…this guy should put out a product called “pure weight loss” because that’s step for this chode…
…as for this product, just buy the Blueprint instead. If you already have the Blueprint, buy it again rather than give this chubby chode your cash.
nah, don t buy the blueprint thats probably worse than this dont waste 20hrs of your life…
oh yeah and is it true that tyler thought his girlfriend was cheating on him?
don’t forget to download this program on torrent websites if you really want it… theplace.bz/main.php, seductiongr.com, bitseduce.com.
I wouldn’t bother if I was you, it’s complete garbage.
Thundercat is nothing more than a money hungry fat fuck. http://www.richjeckwebsites.com
HAHAHAHAHAHA
“hi, im matt, i can make you a lot of money with richjerkswebsites”
seriously, go to the website and see for yourself.
lol yeah that is definitely thundy’s voice….. thats so weird.
yeah that is thunder alright .
i m pretty sure he himself is not “the rich jerk” though thats some other dude…
So Thundercat makes money off the internet by selling information. WOW MAN. Look if you guys need to go to the richjerk website to figure that out than your more retarded than your posts indicate. I think it’s pretty obvious that that is what this industry is about. Do you want people to hand to you their knowledge on women? Is it their duty to fix the fact that your a reject with nothing to offer the opposite sex? Can you go out and find some natural guy who is awesome with women and get him to explain it in detail in a way that might actually help you? If you could even find someone like that would they even give you the time of day with the type of attitudes you have?
You guys need a serious serious reality check. This industry just like any other industry is here because there is a demand and market for it, to make money. Maybe if you guys were as proactive you would not be crying on the mans website for putting in the time and effort to collect a bunch of idea’s together, shoot some videos, and look to improve his life in the process. Maybe he should do it for free? Is that what he should do? It’s bad enough that most of you lowlifes will just download it. You’ll download it, watch it once, blow it off or not put any effort into it, and then you will bitch about how everyone wants to rip you off.
Do yourselves a favor and take control of your own lives and grow up. Then maybe you won’t feel the need to learn more about women.
Barry Kirkey: Dude I heard your Dr. Paul interview and you fucked it all up. You had a great guest and you spent all your time jacking your own cock.
That Janene is a cunt and adds nothing to the show. You can tell she gets all excited when she gets to talk and she adds nothing to the show. Get rid of that beeeatch.
This show was so weak that I’d rather listen to Thundercat’s lame piece of shit podcast.
Lick my balls then keep checking back to see if my balls are really licked clean then check again and again you OCD having jizz swallowing Canadian nutbag licker.
“Barry Kirkey: Dude I heard your Dr. Paul interview and you fucked it all up. You had a great guest and you spent all your time jacking your own cock.”
I don’t think Kirkey pissed it up. Dr.Paul obvioulsy did a couplke of shots before the show…..That jenine was also a waste, she’s marrying a guy that’s blind, she must be really ugly
what’s with the pua community advocating monogamy? is it the “cultural conditionin”g again”?
Or is it a way of differentiating your product so you can sell more ?
since the Game, pua has turned in a huge pile of turds
“Too bad he’s offering generous affiliate commissions, so every guru with a mailing list is selling out to promote it so they can make a buck too.’
I got an email from David Shade’s newsletter. Shade said that” “Joseph Mathews” is the only pua he would trust and reccomend. What bullshit, How can you trust these clowns anymore..everything they say and do is a lie, they have become like the very soceity they have railed against
Shade…go fuck yourself!!!!!!!!!!
The Dr Paul interview was shit, but at least Barry’s co-host (Janene?) had the balls to call out Dr Paul on his bullshit – specifically referring to what he does as “science” and calling himself a “scientist” (yes, he actually called himself a scientist).
Dr Paul is not a scientist. His education is in the medical field, he’s a medical doctor, not a Ph.D. Not knocking it – getting a medical degree, with further specialization to become a psychiatrist is a lot of work, BUT sorry, that doesn’t make him a scientist.
His approach, psychoanalysis, is far removed from science and his specific innovation, MindOS, has never been peer reviewed and, I suspect, will never be. We just have to take Dr Paul’s word that “in his experience”, it works. Sorry buddy, that’s called marketing, not science. If you want to be accepted as a scientist, then put your model up for peer review and let the scientific community test it out with randomized controlled trials and we’ll see how it stacks up.
Without clinical evidence (in a peer reviewed journal), it’s no more credible than NLP, just like Anthony Robbins uses.
jeeze people love to hate thundercat.
I don’t know why so many people hate him. I guess it’s because he makes a lot of money with the scene, and it’s in humans’ nature to be jalous. Just a guess.
Has he really done something that bad? Maybe, I don’t really know.
But I’m still annoyed that there are suddently no new entries on this blog, probably because he wants to keep his product on top of the main page. Sound convenient, right
I hate Tyler, and there is a reason for that.
I don’t like Mystery, and there’s a reason for that.
I would like to hate Thundercat, because I wouldn’t feel singled out, but I NEED a reason for that. Please give it to me so that I can start hating the guy
“I would like to hate Thundercat, because I wouldn’t feel singled out, but I NEED a reason for that. Please give it to me so that I can start hating the guy ”
Hypocrite, (takes Rj’s momey but flames him) copies other people Barry Kirkey pudcast, numerous lies..overall an unsavory two faced person
But in all fairness, none of the commercial types in pua are all that likable…Style, Mystery, RJ, Owen Cook, many others past and present…the male ego at it’s worst
Kirkey wrecked the Dr. Paul interview.
TC has patience and an actual interest in the subject.
Kirkey did not allow Dr. Paul to tell stories or speak for more than 30 seconds. Playing noises while he is talking is disrespect or resentment – or burnout. He even cuts off the subject – he did this with Christiano, a business partner.
The interruptions seem to be ‘needy’ – he has reverted to AFC – the gay stuff about his junk, and Kirkey being fondled by his dad at 5?? What!?
Looking to hear TC’s podcast, no meltdowns except for Ross.
I was a niave needy controlling guy who just didn’t understand women a lot of the time. Like some, I found this secret society after a failed marriage. Im so glad that I had that experience because if I hadn’t I don’t know how lost I would be right now.
I wanted to believe that this internet movement was the answer, I really did. There is so much garbage and so many clueless men involved in this movement but every once in a while in a product, a post, or a soundbite you get some great insight or a mindset or attitude that can be constructive and help you. That’s what keeps you going, thats what keeps you hooked.
At some point you realize that the founders of this community and what it stands for is actually a step in the wrong direction taking you FURTHER from success with women. It’s not that it can’t help, it’s that ultimately it can not and WILL not solve your problems and that the more you LEAN on it to help you, and the more you look for the answers within in it to help you …. the more lost you become.
In reality this community is filled with all the worst personality defects that exist in the world today. Since some men are striving for better things, better lives, and better attitudes …. sure there are going to be some good insights from time to time. Sadly that’s the exception to the rule. Most advice that is even good is fed through the filter of their defective minds and projected on you in a distorted way.
This industry like a lot of internet industries is way overhyped, very unproffessional and just about as close to a complete scam as you can get if for no other reason than the fact that the main principles of it tend to be the opposite of the person you need to be and the things you should be focusing on.
Many of the so called “guru’s” know this already and yet there are so many followers who just can’t figure it out. I guess when your desperate for direction it’s hard to see. The fact is that Style knows that what I say is true. In fact the moral and underlying message of his book ended up being EXACTLY this. That doesn’t mean he is not going to look to make some money from his experiences though and expose what he has been through to get ahead in life with those willing to turn a blind eye to what he tried to tell them in his book. In the end though Style is a passionate writer, not a “pickup artist”.
Mystery knows this too. He had 10 years of going after a dream to be a magician trying to pick up girls in the process as a sidenote. Eventually and with great hesitation and still a bit of embarrassment he allowed his dreams to turn to pickup but the industry is STILL not truely respected by him and it never has been. You see he is doing this stuff for the money and fame. It’s his back road into the hollywood lifestyle since the magician path wasn’t cutting it. He sold out on the community to do the pickup artist BECAUSE he knows that the industry is bullshit and doesn’t respect it and he see’s his show as a way for personal gain to what TRUELY is important and that is him.
Thundercat knows this too. He is one of the more honest ones despite you all calling him a hypocrite because he speaks his mind whether or not it fits into the community mold or not. He does things his way and beats to his own drum. He never let community brainwashing that was set by bitter and frustrated men take over his mind. Make no mistake though, thundercat is here to promote HIS life, HIS career, as an internet marketer to make money and try to live a better life.
Tyler knows this too. After all this time being lost and trying to copy those who seemed to have better success then him he FINALLY found what his true calling and talent is and is pursuing a career in self help and motivational speaking. He’s almost 30 now and he is tired of peddling a bunch of bullshit that is contingent on others reactions and other people wanting him and he wants to do something to truely make a difference to people. His blueprint product was his goodbye to the industry and him trying to clear his conscience by telling what it was truely about for him. Though he filled it with quite a bit of nonsound theory like many other guru’s do, there was an underlying message that came together to give direction to someone that had practicality and balance to it.
So poke around guys, check things out if you want. If you’ve been searching for the answer or ultimate success in this industry or by becoming a pickup artist for long though I urge you to stop doing yourself a disservice. Your moving in the WRONG direction here. You need to put YOURSELF first before anyone else will. Strangers on the internet or with theory based one size fits all products will not help you.
That last post is why people are mad Ced.
When it comes down to it the reason posters have so much hate for guru’s or others that pose as them is simple.
1) Deep down they know there is no true perfect answer or guru
2) They know that these guys are here for self gain peddling information towards a path that even they themselves dont respect or desire.
For these 2 reasons there is much resentment. You see instead of following their gut and putting themselves first, trusting themselves, being their own guru, going after a better life and having the discipline to stick with it …. they continue to let others who are trying to better THEIR lives mislead them.
What they don’t get is that these guys are just doing what it really takes to be successful in life. They are taking risks, taking chances, taking matters into their own hands, putting themselves first. They wouldn’t put the information out if people were not interested in it. It’s not those that put out the information that are at fault. It’s the idiots who believe that some guy on the internet can help them to be able to fuck any woman they want.
Secretely these guys behind the scenes have no respect for you. They think your morons … because well … you are. They are taking advantage of your own ignorance and low self esteem. If you want to believe their is a beanstock to a big pot of gold in the clouds, and that all you have to do to get it is to go to walmart, buy some seeds, and plant them … then trust me there will be people selling those seeds and the information on how to make them grow on the internet.
So guys don’t get angry at these guys. Get angry at YOURSELVES, grow a backbone, and do the hard work that YOU KNOW you have to do in order to be happy with YOURSELF and YOUR LIFE so that others can be too, and then the possibilities will be endless.
Man I guess the 2 above posters should write a book and sell it too cuz they sure like to write, even more than me.
Sorry the community didn’t help you. Sorry the gurus didn’t help you. But I suspect that you took it too damn seriously, and forgot to just be a cool dude while you were learning.
Maybe it’s because you tried the wrong gurus, I dunno. I’m just lucky I somehow picked the right ones, I guess.
But here’s the deal. Evolution is happening. If you’re not mating alot naturally, and you can’t learn how to mate alot with skills that have worked for others over and over again, then there’s a good reason why nature is weeding your ass out of the game of life.
To all the guys who go on about evolution and natural selection, how many kids have you had?
None so far, right?
If you have, is it more than your average Joe who settles down with the second women he’s slept with and proceeds to have four kids?
Evolution-wise it means nothing to sleep with a hundred women if you have kids with zero of them. Some AFC who has three kids is doing just fine.
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Thundercat is just bettering his life by trying to make money on the internet? …by selling overpriced crap to a gullible, desperate audience via manipulative marketing? Oh yeah, he’s a true American hero. That excuses everything.
“If you have, is it more than your average Joe who settles down with the second women he’s slept with and proceeds to have four kids?”
Since the second girl he sleeps with is probably not an intellectual or physical wonder either, he is just breeding more chumps. Sorry if it sounds too cruel. Evolution doesn’t happen over decades, it happens over millenia. If you haven’t noticed, loneliness and unhappy marriages also cause diseases like alcoholism and high blood pressure, suicide, etc.
“Thundercat is just bettering his life by trying to make money on the internet? …by selling overpriced crap to a gullible, desperate audience via manipulative marketing?
Exactly. Anon and No More want to excuse him because they dislike people who want to improve their lives through this community, and believe that ALL the “methods” are scams.
The truth is that there are very powerful methods out there for the same price as Thundie’s very questionable one that CAN help men, and unless you are a “natural” you’re just not going to figure it out all alone or just by being a MAN or being successful in life in general.
Perhaps Anon and No More live in very small towns where there are no lairs to witness a really good seducer who was once an AFC. You don’t go from being a chump to dating a steady string of the hottest women in a city by just being yourself. And in my opinion, most people fail at this because they try to use too much info from too many damn methods, or they really buy into stuff that just doesn’t work so well, or doesn’t work so well for them.
I’m going to add this, all this “seduction” stuff is like going to the gym. Imagine that you’re a 400 lbs fat ass. Its going to take alot more work to be “fit” than a guy who just 15-20 lbs over weight. So if you’ve been “rejected” all your life all by women/people, you’re that 400 lbs fat ass. Does it mean you can’t work that shit off!! Of course not.
I agree with the Seduction Mastero, theres some great info out there and some that is down right BULLSHIT!!!
Anon and No More are just guys who gave up. Thats all.
Remember try shit out and see what fits. Guys who gave up are dudes just want to eat “chips and hot dogs”
Nuff Said.
“If you have, is it more than your average Joe who settles down with the second women he’s slept with and proceeds to have four kids? ”
That’s why the world is a screwed up place….mediocrity keeps reproducing…
My message was simply that what really determines your reproductive value and your value in the eyes of women is not your knowledge of tricks, tactics, methods, or any of that stuff. It is the inherent value that you have to offer others and you can never have any more value than the value that you see inside of yourself.
So if you want to get women and you want to be a valuable person you have to see yourself as valuable and that means you have to lead a passionate and valuable life, have your life revolve around something more than some underground internet movement, keep yourself looking healthy and in shape and hip, have a place to live that is comfortable and dynamic that you can be proud of, live a life that is interesting enough for you to come off interesting to others and many more things that I could go on and on about.
It’s not about the latest program or guru. These guru’s are selling you their lives, things they are happy with and confident with. They are sharing THEIR lives. You have to find yours and you don’t find that by worshipping someone else. You can never truely be confident or have value that way. Women respond to value.
Hey Anonymous ,
Thanks CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!!!!!
497 $ for this?:)))))))))))
very very boring with no content even the MP4 videos are just long tutorials of thundy speaking
i think mantrans was $600, and it’s 23 DVDs!!!!
29 buck real price…..stay away from this..real garbage.
fuck you thundercat
Lol, last post was just a test, looks like i can post here again.
Let the good times begin again.
Veterans may already guess who i am
blundercat, like we really give a damn who you are.
Time to rethink your marketing Scott … this ones a swing and a miss.
Who the fuck would purchase a product about personality from someone with no personality.
FUCK YOU THUNDERCAT
STOP COPYING BARRY’S SHIT
Now what happens to Chuck as he got Knock the fuck out by Evans. What do you say to that you fuckers!!!!!
Women respond to “perceived value.” Thus the bad-boy jerk that pushes the right buttons can get away with murder over a normal decent guy who might have “real value” as opposed to “perceived.”…This is a frame of “current reality”….Women are the same in this context – Go into any bar setting and see women all decked out – is their real value as well?…no its “perceived.”…Now to reality…is reality what we see or what really exists? Reality is what is currently present – thus a mixture of both from my take. So can a guy who is average or a little below in average land beautiful women by altering the current reality? I think so from a personality context but the degree of change is what needs to be measured….I like Thundercats program overall – do I think it is worth the money? Yes, its cheaper than a bootcamp but you do not get the hands-on experience…..I think everyone should give this a try and as Thundercat states – if you dont like it – you can return it….
Hey Kevin,
What is this bullshit you’re talking about?? You, sir, are a fucking idiot. Like Robert Dowin Jr said in Tropic Thunder…
“plant your feet, look her in the eyes and say ‘Lance, you and i’s we going out on a date…what the fuck!! Lance!! ”
I said “nance…”
Jr said “hey we gay sometimes…”
Holy Moly!! must we wash this place of the jerk-offs , got too many slime balls in this facking place!!!
So by the way Kevin , GO PLAY HIDE AND FUCK YOURSELF!!!!
purenpersonality? don’t you need some personality first?
Anyone see the infomercial for Frank TJ Mackie? The ROSS Jeffries guy in Magnolia?
Comes with a huge amount of gear (like the Pure Personality and Annhilation Method), water bottles, PLUS two rulers, perhaps to measure the ol’ ‘peenster’
here is the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRcuDz1ZZhw
sexy evil > You’re such an idiot.
brian > coming straight from barry’s radio show, word for word. You need to think by yourself, like Kevin did.
“Me”, on ” 4. September 2008, 1:29″ said:
“Dr Paul is not a scientist. …
His approach, psychoanalysis, is far removed from science and his specific innovation, MindOS, has never been peer reviewed and, I suspect, will never be. We just have to take Dr Paul’s word that “in his experience”, it works. Sorry buddy, that’s called marketing, not science. If you want to be accepted as a scientist, then put your model up for peer review and let the scientific community test it out with randomized controlled trials and we’ll see how it stacks up.”
Hear hear. Damn well said. I was afraid very few people (or perhaps nobody) in the community would call attention to that.
And the fact that Dr. Paul has a medical degree makes him even more insidious than some of the other commercial guys — because He knows how vulnerable people are to the argument from authority.
It’s easy for many to dismiss some whackjob NLP con-artist who tells people to use psychic powers to pickup women.
But there are a lot of people out there who will buy into Dr. Paul’s frame that he’s a doctor so everyone must believe and do as he says.
Other things about him that I dislike:
1) He comes into the community (post-”the game” of course) and acts as if he owns it.
2) He markets himself as a mature, professional man whom we should all aspire to emulate. Epic fail. I’m not emulating his boring, uncharismatic, pseudo-scientific ass.
3) In “Deep Inner Game” he gets people on stage and embarrasses them in front of an audience by pointing out (what he views as) their psychological problems. This is the WORST frame of mind you can possibly get someone in before they go out and attempt to hookup with women.
Here’s the bottom line: the “Seduction” community is filled with people who are long on marketing skills and ambiguous on seduction skills. But perhaps marketing and seduction are parallel enough to where their “advice” makes sense and a beginner can’t tell the difference. STOP PAYING TO LEARN SEDUCTION. Everything is available for free online and isn’t hard to find if you’re so inclined.
“Here’s the bottom line: the “Seduction” community is filled with people who are long on marketing skills and ambiguous on seduction skills. But perhaps marketing and seduction are parallel enough to where their “advice” makes sense and a beginner can’t tell the difference. STOP PAYING TO LEARN SEDUCTION. Everything is available for free online and isn’t hard to find if you’re so inclined.”
Dj just nailed it really. I still remember how when I found this “secret underground community” I thought I had found some magic bullet, people who knew the TRUTH on how to get women, who had cracked the code. It was all marketing. It’s just like going out in the real world and talking to men in real life. Some guys won’t have a clue. Those that do have a clue have THEIR way that works for THEM and fits with THEIR IMAGE because it’s real for THEM. Then others are just really good looking or rich and tend to be able to get away with things you and I just can’t.
Once you have been in this community for long enough you start to realize that there are endless people with different theories and frames out there. How to pickup women and internet business were a match made in heaven. These guys could make SO much more money by finding someone to print and publish their “ideas” into a book to be sold to the public but they don’t, because many can’t.
In the end everyone has their own idea’s of what can get a women interested and some have been tested and shown to work for that person and some have not but even when you find someone who has found something that obviously works for them it doesnt mean it will work for you. So hunt around and find some simple basic things that can work for you and move on with your life and dont waste it on the internet with this stupid marketing shit.
“These guys could make SO much more money by finding someone to print and publish their “ideas” into a book to be sold to the public but they don’t, because many can’t.”
Dude, not only is this thread old, but you keep talking about nothing. The above is a ridiculous statement. Do you know what the royalties are for traditionally published books out there? Even self-publishing is low yield. You make a hell of alot more via your website and an ebook, even after paying people 50% commissions. Neil’s book is a best seller, but the vast majority of books aren’t. You have to be an absolute world-wide phenomenon to make any money at all in the modern publishing industry.
And though there’s a little truth in the rest of that banter, I would encourage newbs to NOT get bogged down and confused with all the free stuff, and instead just pick ONE method that has been proven effective for ALL types of men and stick to it till you’re getting women as easily and picking up the morning paper. I’ll give you a hint: it’s not Thundie’s method.
“It’s easy for many to dismiss some whackjob NLP con-artist who tells people to use psychic powers to pickup women.”
So last night when I anchored the color of a 19 year old girl’s feeling/process of attraction to the imaginary shape in the palm of my hand, and saw how she flushed when I brought it near her, and sighed when I pulled it away from her, she started breathing heavy and kissed me because she digs on 36 year old bald guys and that was just the placebo effect?
You need to stop measuring life and the universe with a measuring stick if you want to have any fun in it. Not everything that is true can be mapped by the scientific method, and our scientific knowledge of the universe is very miniscule indeed compared to what actually IS.
And recently there has come to light some scientific evidence that directly proves that all the things we’ve been saying for years in the NLP community about eliciting states and anchoring them are indeed absolutely true. Sorry guys, but when you get people to experience the process of attraction WITH you, it’s the same as them feeling it FOR you, and you are rewarded accordingly if you’re any kind of man at all:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/science/05brain.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
“Do you know what the royalties are for traditionally published books out there? Even self-publishing is low yield. You make a hell of alot more via your website and an ebook, even after paying people 50% commissions. Neil’s book is a best seller, but the vast majority of books aren’t. You have to be an absolute world-wide phenomenon to make any money at all in the modern publishing industry.”
Maestro I know that you like to get into pointless debates where you make intellectual and pointless comments to support your outstanding ability to kill time and waste your life away on an online blog for pickup. So I am not going to feed your bad habit and get into an endless debate with you. I will say that you should consider getting into politics, writing, or becoming a lawyer to see if you can put your passion to a more constructive use. If your going to become a lawyer though I suggest you work more on the actual content of your argument and less on the love for the debate itself.
Every single month unknown writers come out and have best selling books. You do NOT need to be well known and you can make MUCH MORE money writing and publishing a book than most of these men can on the internet where most of their shit can be downloaded for free and many of their theories and tactics end up being much more hype than delivering what the marketing promises. There are so many unknown authors that became known when they wrote a book that made it in the top 10, so this is complete non-sense. Sure any sale they get online by running their own business online yields more profits per sale but the sales overall are much lower. Plus they STILL must pay fee’s for their website, if they accept credit cards, and to pay for any software or marketing/promotion people that they hire.
Regardless your missing my point. My point is that these guys shovel a lot of shit and the only chance they have in this industry is by marketing to clueless men on the internet. People often like to reference Styles book as proof that this magic bullet type bullshit can be promoted effectively to the mass market via a book. What they forget is that the book was not self help, it was entertainment. The book took shots at this community throughout and made the overall point that it was a joke. Style is still involved in the community despite this though for two reasons:
1) He had absolutely NO success before and he had some fun adventures over 5 years time with these PUA’s. He knew no other way. His success was not from learning a method or tactics though. It was from surrounding himself with an active social group of friends and putting himself in a mansion in a good location with them. It had very little to do with his techniques and much more to do with the actions he took to change his life. Even today he can’t hold down a relationship and seems to be single.
2) He found a way that he can make money and have a productive and successful career.
Maestro you have been on this blog over and over making the point over and over that this stuff can work. You work hard to promote it. Almost every post seems well thought out and very passionately involved. It is MY experience that people who put so much effort into defending something are more trying to convince themselves than anyone else. If you have found something that works for you then that is great, and that should be ones goal. To think that there is something that works for someone that will work magically for everyone else though, is stupid.
Methods are a thin candy shell and not the milk chocolate. That’s why it’s so important to find out what works for YOU PERSONALLY and it certainly may not be something some guru tells you, all they are is normal men who found something that MAY OR MAY NOT work for them in real life. More important for them is they find something that SEEMS like it will work for guys that gets them excited and is marketable.
“So last night when I anchored the color of a 19 year old girl’s feeling/process of attraction to the imaginary shape in the palm of my hand, and saw how she flushed when I brought it near her, and sighed when I pulled it away from her”
That sounds like a normal reaction from someone who is weirded out by some guy talking about strange things to me when he doesn’t even know me. I would blush too if some guy is talking about weirdo stuff like that, especially if he is being nice and polite to me. It’s a very awkward situation. I would probably do whatever it is I had to do to get out of the situation without hurting his feelings and then never talk to him again.
Anon, umm, I am a writer, I do journalism and my book is doing exceptionally well (in the top 25% of first time authors), which means I make about $60 a month in royalties. I have made GOBS more money from Songs of Seduction which I only sold on ebay.
And guy pretending to be a girl- she has already texted me today, so it seems she’s not wanting to “get out” of anything.
Whats the name of your book buddy? This guy is so full of shit.
It doesn’t relate to seduction, and it is in fact a children’s fantasy chapter book, which is why I use Seduction Maestro instead of my real name in this community.
Whatever yo.
Anyone can say whatever they want online to live out an ONLINE fantasy identity and people do it every day. If your saying you actually have a book and have only made 60 bucks then at best what your saying is that you have sold like 120 copies and profit 50 cents per copy or something. If that’s the case than you have a pretty bad deal and certainly your not the success I was talking about when I talk about newcomers who make it to the top 10 list, which is something that happens all the time.
I think most of us are tired of hearing your stories and listening to your long winded debates. You plug your method over and over as if it is a magic bullet and give no examples of anything. Your just wasting your time especially where you don’t put it into context and experience. If your aim is to get more respect for your method Im not sure what your motivation would be for that, if your already getting success thats all that should matter.
If you want to continue to push your success onto others perhaps you should be more descriptive. Is your identity supportive of the tactics you use and how? DO you just walk up and do this weird stuff right off the bat, and if you do why do you think you get the compliance? Do you have a low flake rate and why you think that is? What types of girls and in what situations. Do you use this as a secondary support to your identity or is it something you use to close the deal with a girl thats already into you. I mean there are so many variables. Your motivation clearly is not to help anyone else more than it is to try to develope some sort of long winded ego identity on thundercats blog which I feel is pathetic and wreaks of insecurity which I can only conclude is insecurity because you pose as someone your actually NOT. If your truely 36 and bald and are fucking 19 year old girls and you want to waste your time posting about it and it’s not just an ego trip and you truely feel your offering value here than it would make much more sense for you to tell the whole story and the context behind this because most people do not find the success that marketing guru’s would have you believe and even the marketing guru’s themselves openly admitt that. One only needs to check out Ross on Dr phil to hear it right from the horses mouth.
“I’ll give you a hint: it’s not Thundie’s method.’
what’s disturbing is that what “you know who” is teaching is a retrofitted rip off of elements of SS.
as an example , a main component of the method is creating connection with the women by retelling a story of when you had a connecttion with someone, and then having the women tell a stroy of her having a connection…sounds lke a sloppy ass version of srt
with all this talk of “natural” it’s just dumbed down ss concepts that were out like 15 years ago
“I was talking about when I talk about newcomers who make it to the top 10 list, which is something that happens all the time.”
Yeah, new bands get deals with MTV all the time too, but if you’re in a band, I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.
People win the lottery all the time too.
Anon,
Since you got so many questions and I don’t feel like working because of my gig last night, I’ll answer some of them.
“I think most of us are tired of hearing your stories and listening to your long winded” debates.
Compare your average word count to mine, buddy.
“You plug your method over and over as if it is a magic bullet and give no examples of anything.”
What I do is just a variation of SS with some Swingcat thrown in. Sure I do some original stuff but it’s not necessary, just more fun for me.
“Your just wasting your time especially where you don’t put it into context and experience. If your aim is to get more respect for your method Im not sure what your motivation would be for that, if your already getting success thats all that should matter.”
I like to debate and I get bored of writing and designing cabinets during the day.
“If you want to continue to push your success onto others perhaps you should be more descriptive. Is your identity supportive of the tactics you use and how?
You mean am I congruent? Of course. I’m an artist type so people accept me playing with their imaginations.
“DO you just walk up and do this weird stuff right off the bat, and if you do why do you think you get the compliance?”
I do, and I get compliance because I first get rapport and intrigue, and another reason I get compliance is because it isn’t “wierd” to most open minded girls, it’s just wierd to thick-skulled jocks and linear thinking men.
“Do you have a low flake rate and why you think that is?
I think I have an average flake rate, and when they flake it’s usually because I didn’t have time to set environmental anchors, install my voice, and use time-distortion and looping.
“What types of girls and in what situations.”
Most women in their early 20s because that’s what I find myself liking usually. In just about any situation I find myself.
“Do you use this as a secondary support to your identity or is it something you use to close the deal with a girl thats already into you.”
Both.
“I mean there are so many variables. Your motivation clearly is not to help anyone else more than it is to try to develope some sort of long winded ego identity on thundercats blog which I feel is pathetic and wreaks of insecurity which I can only conclude is insecurity because you pose as someone your actually NOT. If your truely 36 and bald and are fucking 19 year old girls and you want to waste your time posting about it and it’s not just an ego trip and you truely feel your offering value here than it would make much more sense for you to tell the whole story and the context behind this because most people do not find the success that marketing guru’s would have you believe and even the marketing guru’s themselves openly admitt that. One only needs to check out Ross on Dr phil to hear it right from the horses mouth.”
Because most students are lazy, or just give up!
Why do you think it’s insecure for me to post about success, and it’s not insecure for you to post about failure? It doesn’t make any sense. I like to post here because I happen to be into seduction, and I hope you are too or else you’re REALLY wasting your time here. Do you think that men who are successful with women fuck them all day long, every day? Can’t I have other interests besides talking to and fucking girls 24-7 ?
I still manage to write 3 blogs, sell 30-60,000 worth of cabinets a month, do a little writing, and excersize for an hour a day. You must type reeeeeally slow if you think this takes up much of my free time.
Oh- the context for the girl last night was I was playing a gig and she was a waitress. I flirted with her a little during the show and whe she got off I analized her handwriting, challenged her a bit, ran some patterns, and then did the srt question and demo.
Maestro if what you carry on about is true than you are simply an example of what I have been saying.
Guys this dude is trying to tell us that he does gigs, is a writer, has a flourishing business where he works with his hands, is an artist, and on top of that seems to have some social intelligence on how to seamlessly introduce the things that he introduces to these women.
He could use any method and seamlessly make it work because of his foundation, his life situation. None of which has to do with the method he uses and all of which has to do with things that DONT have to do ANYTHING with seduction. That’s been my point. It just goes to show you how you should NEVER listen to men on an internet trying to explain why they have success ANY MORE than you should listen to women trying to tell you how to get into her pants. It’s all on you. Create and lead a life that your happy about and others will become happy with you naturally.
Thank you Maestro for bringing home my point.
Some people say “duh” to my point. No doubt there are some who get that and feel it is common sense. Unfortunately the majority of the people who are drawn in and suckered into this community in the first place are guys who either have not tasted success with women or in life yet, or who are in a transitional period, fresh off of rejection. They then waste weeks, months, or years of their lives chasing this marketing vision that the marketers of this industry and people like Maestro paint for them, only to continue to meet with frustration.
Why?
They don’t have this foundational point I am making as a part of their lives and chasing mastery of magic bullet methods and techniques 24/7 and posting on forums exchanging information with guys who don’t have a clue or guys who dont know how to explain their success (like Maestro) CERTAINLY does not help them. Once they can understand this foundational point and work to take their life back and get it under control and get confidence in THEMSELVES than eventually they may be able to have the success that other people like Maestro or David Deangelo or Eric or Style … who have that part handled, can have.
You are assuming that the reason I’m having success is because I have a full and interesting life, and it’s true that it is important to develope your life as you study suduction, there’s a small problem with your reasoning.
I had an even MORE interesting life when I was an afc. I interviewed famous rock stars and toured the US and Europe (mostly Holland) with big name acts.
Sure I have a book now (but I rarely tell chicks that), and I make more money (cabinet design), but I don’t travel as much and my gigs are in pubs, not huge music festivals like back in the day. I have much more success with women now that I have learned about seduction. Sure I’m a more confident person now, but that is what we call the developement of “inner game.”
And you wanna know how I made the jump from cabinet installer to cabinet designer without a degree? You guessed it- good ol’ NLP at the job interview.
Well NLP doesn’t work on me and many people I know so I see it as tacky and new age crap. Being a challenge to women who are use to having men throw themselves at them, recognizing non-sexual unique things in women that they work for to have you see in them, being in the moment and playful, being unreactive to others attempts to manipulate you, and other things that are taught more now a days seem to have more an effect on me and on the people around me.
At the end of the day a “method” or “tactic” is to success what A1 sauce is to a steak. Some prefer the extra boost of tang but no one is drinking A1 sauce by itself.
How do you know it doesn’t work on you? How many times a day do you recognize that NLP is being used on you (in political speeches, advertisements, sales pitches, etc?)?
Several times a day I recognize it from various sources, and sure as hell works on rich folks who buy $60, 000 kitchens…
I recognize the nlp in advertisements and political agenda’s, I have studied NLP, I have used NLP on myself for NLP visualizations and things like seeing yourself through the screen or rewinding things in your head. I find it to be very gimmicky and empty and not very effective. I have much better success with things like writing out affirmations or guided meditation but still that success is very temporary and small.
For self help, confidence, and inner game I find it much more effective to set goals and take consistant actions and to better ones life so one can feel better about him/herself. I gave NLP a very solid shot and it seems very empty to me, almost like a ripoff of more traditional methods with some extra complexity and steps that ring hollow so as to market itself as the NEXT BIG THING. Another marketing stunt is all it amounts to in my book. Psychocybernetics with it’s old school strategies or psychological achievement by Brian Tracy are much more simplistic and effective to the average person. Overall focus on any mind tricks are short lived and useless if your not out there setting goals, taking action, and putting yourself in situations where your making a better life for yourself that you can be proud of.
As far as using clever word phrases to better effect someone elses imagination, anchoring, routines, and all the other advanced concepts that you mentioned … again I feel this stuff is a bit overboard. If you strip away all the marketing bullshit thrown in to get someone to believe there is something “more” to it that makes it “special” and get to the meat of it, it’s just a little old fashioned thing called “involking imagination”. It’s the kind of thing that some people are good at doing naturally and others need to learn but learning it in a mechanical and artificial way yields lower results than just having a little common sense and learning to become the kind of person that can do that naturally.
So lets agree to disagree, Im too busy trying to do that word count. I’ll have to get back to you on that one.
I will also add a couple more things to my thoughts here. The whole idea that you need to transfer any feelings you make a woman feel towards YOU and connect them together through language or hand gestures is foolish. If you go to a movie and a woman enjoys it, she associates it with you automatically. A woman associates how she feels around you and making a point to link the feelings you make her feel to you comes off transparent, needy, and phoney. Ross is a phony guy and it rings through very easily when one watches or listens to him.
Also women have a short attention span. Like I referenced previously she needs to already be very attracted to you for you to have a chance of engaging her in any sort of deep process like the ones you seem to endorse. The degree to which you get her attention, keep it, and effect her with your “tricks” is directly correlative with the degree of attraction she has to you in the first place. When you were up taking center stage at your “gig” or she see’s you working on your cabinet .. that stuff goes far further towards creating the end results that a man strives for than some drawn out psychological trick. I think the reason there are still people supporting this old school methology is that of all the internet marketing methods out there SS by ross jeffries has been the one that is marketed the most effectively because it promises insane results and involves much higher complexity. Since this is the case guys looking for direction feel so confident that they have magic powers that it comes through as confidence. They really believe they have these magical powers that can control someones mind and so they act like it, but really it’s just a placeabo effect. That is why people like you argue so adamately against people like me, we are threatening the main source of your power … belief. By arguing against me and standing by your method you are reinforcing your beliefs and keeping control of the placeabo effect in your mind.
Dude, if you don’t want to get laid and you’d rather just write about how nothing works in order to excuse yourself, then great! When you use this stuff and have success with it there is no doubt about why you got the results. It can’t even be denied rationally once you’ve experienced that, but I understand that people are doubtful because either they think it’s too good to be true or because they subconsciously don’t want to succeed. And BTW that’s really silly to think that inviting a woman into my shop to watch me build cabinets is a better system than capturing and leading her imagination.
I am tired of trying to lead anorexic horses to water. I think I’ll go debate anthropology on google groups today instead of seduction. At least the scientist and archies there are more open minded and less self-defeating.
“Dude, if you don’t want to get laid and you’d rather just write about how nothing works in order to excuse yourself, then great!”
You just showed yourself to be the internet fantasy kj poster that you are right there bud. I can’t believe I even bought into all your shit. Your pathetic. Anyone who thinks that you must be a part of the community or practice NLP or any method in order to get “laid” is a loser and most likely a virgin. GET A LIFE BRO.
“I am tired of trying to lead anorexic horses to water. I think I’ll go debate anthropology on google groups today instead of seduction.”
and this right here … is the best damn news I think ANY of us have heard on this blog in a long time. Guys dont listen to this guy, he’s dillusional and it’s his stories keep changing. I think he’s some sort of combination of a kj troll and pathological liar.
Your just figuring this out anom?? A little slow arn’t you.
A while back I remember him saying that he had not been out in 4 years or something, and he was posting about how proud he was that he went out for the first time or got a number or something small like that. Regardless I dont think people come here to get quality advice, especially from the posters here. Most people here know that this seduction maestro guy is a looney, he found someone who would entertain him thats all.
Cool someone semi-worthy of debate. Hi oracle. You have your facts wrong; I was in an LTR for 4 years and the first time I went out I got a kiss close, but I wasn’t proud of it, I was just giving an example about how the techniques work because someone asked me to give an example. I guess this means if I give more examples I’ll be bragging even though Anon is requesting them yet again. At least a spin doctor is better than a guy who just kinda rants, so thanks Oracle!
And Anon, I really hope you have a desk job too or you’re really wasting some time here.
And Anon, you sure do take things literally, don’t you?
Of course I don’t think that it’s impossible to get laid without the community, after all I was BORN and my parents are older than Ross Jeffries. I just think YOU need it, or else why do you spend so much time here?
*I* needed the community to get laid on a regular basis, because I wouldn’t settle for anything but absolutely beautiful women. That’s plural. Sure as an afc at 18 I got in a relationship with a beautiful woman without the community, but it was dumb luck really and I would have had no idea how to frame it as an MLTR.
I have seen Thundercat out in Hollywood
Always alone and looking terrible
Thundercat was the first guy I saw who I realized was almost all talk, and not good at pick up.
well, RJ is doing a free course over at his blog, and the first 10 minutes is considerably better than Thundercat’s entire course:
http://www.speedseduction.biz/blog/2008/09/17/new-free-12-part-seduction-language-mastery-video-course-starts-today/#comments
everyone knows thundercat is a dumbass fake, all bark no bite, artard, a friend pointed him out to me in real life, he’s a miserable slob, so leave him alone, his life is sad enough without you people insulting him further… hold on thundie… you’ve sold you’re soul, but if you’re thinking about ending you’re own life(and you should be, its pathetic) don’t do it, because my tax dollars will have to clean your miserable mug off the pavement
Hey,
nice course you have there. Looks nice…
I can only wonder what types of techniques you have listed inside.
Perhaps they’re all the ones that I know, but maybe I could learn something.
Maybe…