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Wow, I can’t believe how saturated this whole "seduction" market is getting.  Right now I know of 3 rather big guys in the community who are gearing up to release some major products.  Back in the good ol’ days, I could think of only 2 major players.  Now, the seduction community seems to be feeling the full brunt of the free market economy.

This is funny, because it used to be a big thing for someone to go into business and release a product.  In my observations, it wasn’t until Swinggcat, a regular member of the community, broke out and opened the doors for various PUAs to create and self-distribute their own products.

Needless to say, things are gonna get interesting…

Befriending SUCKS!

Legendary Croatian PUA Badboy chimes in on the Advanced board with a post about befriending guys.

Badboy writes:
About befriending…

What I descovered, its crazy, I mean, even if you disagree on this, this is field tested so much, and proven in real life, by me, shark, Infamous, and all my workshop students…
And that is..With BEFRIENDING, you create COCKBLOCKS in good % of cases!!

Mostly, here I will talk about befriending guys, not girls, they are still really important to befriend…

When you befried guys in set, you just shooted yourself in a leg, you went backwards in set…
Usually, you will se me, behaving to guys like they don exist at all…and trust me that is best AMOG you can imagine !!

In 99% of cases, when I open , I open guys with some lame opener, switch to girls asap, turn my back to guy\guys, and ignore them…

I noticed one really funny thing, when I spend more time talking to guys(befriending tactics), what hspens, is when I turn their back and ignore them… they feel ‘ok’ with jumping into my conversation, they feel ‘ok’ to cockblock, of course, they feel ok, cause we are FUCKING FRIENDS….fuck that!!

In first case, with ignoring guys, they never jumo into my convo, NEVER….they feel little bit scared…its not ‘ok’ to behave like that, to interupt somebodys conversation.
This also will explain Sharks game alot. As he also doesnt give a shit about guys in sets, they JUST dissapear!! ALWAYS!!… he doesnt even think about this, he does it naturally…

Now, I must tell you few more things….
If you are newbee here, or you are really LSE, with not so good bodylanguage\confidence level, dont do this!!! PLEASE, dont do it…you’ll get into fight from time to time…

Cause those afc louzers will think they are above you, DHV then you are… and will cockblock you even more….
I think every guy here must go through phase of talking with guys, (befriending them)…
Why??

First you must interanalize that they are LOUZERS, every guy out there, and not be afraid of them…
When you go over that shit, then you can ignore them, and feel comfortable doing it….
If you try to ignore guys, and in same time you are scared of them….he will kick your ass….
So be really carefull with this weapon I just gave you…
Alpha bodylanguage, will work for you here 100%
Too bad I cnat show you here those bodylanguage tips…

If you can get past the mangled English, there’s some good stuff in this post. I wonder when Badboy’s gonna hire someone to translate his posts for him? Anyway, you can check out the whole thread here.

Lessons for the Older Player

Neo-Rio has an interesting post up in the Tactics forum of mASF about an older PUA he ran into.

Neo-Rio writes:I know this dude from the local bar who’s about 50 or so and is pretty much a self-styled player in his own way. He’s never been married but has kids with about 3 different women and is living away from all of them and his kids at the moment. In fact, one of his women just had another.

The reason why I know all this is because this is his whole routine… how many kids he has and how many women are having them. He’s got his game together and its very telling. In fact he was there push-pulling on some blonde babe who I’d easily rate an 8 – and I crashed the party.

Then I come along – and he was totally unthreatened by this (as he should be), and his anti-AMOG tactics were to ask me “So how many kids do you have?” So all I said was “Well, shit dude. You have a head start on me there! How old are you?” So then he was like “Well, that’s the whole point of having girlfriends isn’t it? You just don’t understand the joy of being able to hold your own baby in your hands etc. etc. and it’s really wonderful blah blah blah…. you have no idea. You should pop one in your girlfriends oven, you don’t know what you’re missing… etc etc”

The whole tone is now getting condescending as he trys to reframe the situation. Interesting the way an older dude can use his years and experience to put pressure on younger guys, in a completely non-threatening way… whereas all I could possibly respond with would have been “and you probably have a limp cock.” which would have been out of place. So yeah, the situation put me off guard because most of the time I’m dealing with guys my age and not players with the experience of Svengali laying it on hard to some guy who already knows the rules, but lacks the experience. Getting out of this one would have required some really solid shit, but this guy had his game together in many other ways as well. I’ve heard other lame lines, but I was unprepared for something like this.

He turns to the blonde and says “You know, I’ve found that you should always tell ugly women that they’re beautiful, and beutiful women that they’re ugly.” Then he looks at the blonde and says “…and you’re ugly.”. She laughs. It’s a perfectly structured 101 routine.

Another guy shows up and the conversation turns to how to attract women, but wisely the guy refuses to answer any questions. “I don’t know what you are talking about”… but you could tell that he didn’t want to walk down that path, but I bet he had his own ways (or at least did a good job making everyone think he was hiding something)… which was a wise move.

later on he said some other shit, but it wasn’t too long before he was getting the blonde to qualify herself to him. It was really interesting shit to watch. He played a lot of active disinterest, partly listening and partly taking more interest in making rolly cigarettes.

Anyway, I went to take a whiz and when I got back I saw them arm in arm leaving the place. When he could sense other guys moving in, he switched to isolation and left with her.

All in all, an interesting learning experience even when you lose to some other guy with more game. Especially the older guys because they try and reframe you into a father-son kind of situation (just like we reframe our targets into bratty little sister, or little girl frames) Plus actually having been a father gives his the experience to pull this shit off.

The thread goes on with some rather interesting discussion. I like the idea of the Older guy’s AMOG tactics with younger men. It kind of reminds me of the Regan debate where he was up against a much younger opponant who was trying to make Regan’s advanced age an issue, and Regan just replied “I’m not going to hold my opponant’s youth and inexperience against him.” What a way to tool the kiddies! lol.

Anyway, you can read the whole lively thread here.

A Little Tip on Kino…

I found an interesting thread in the Tactics board on mASF by a newbie called “Something My Wife Said About KINO.” Anyway, it lead to a rather interesting discussion on the basics, which I think the new guys could benefit from learning and the veterans could benefit from being reminded on.

punx writes:
No I didnt tell my wife to read this site… I only recently discovered this goldmine of information, and read some stuff. Particulary this KINO interests me and it brought back something my wife told me once.

She was going to a course, and she said this guy there kept touching here, like on the shoulder when he wanted to talk to her, and on her arms when they talked etc. She told me she found it really annoying and intrusive, and got angry about it and asked me what she should say to make him stop it.

I’m not sure if this guy has read this site and was trying this technique or something… but what went wrong for him? Would it be because he did it the wrong way or she had no interest in him?? Can anyone shed any light?

Now here’s ijjjjji’s excellent response to this topic…

ijjjjji writes:
Kino is not for getting a girl interested. Kino is for escalating things AFTER she is interested. Many guys make this mistake. Another mistake guys make is to overdo the kino when trying to escalate things.

Touching a girl when you talk to her introduces a dominant/submissive frame that is GREAT if there is sexual tension and very very bad if there are no tension.

Kino, of course, is the Kinesthetic approach — aka physical touching. It’s usually of a sexual nature, to get a woman in a state of approval and arousal. Touching and stroking the side of her arm, her elbows, stroking her hair, cheeks, stroking her hand or wrist, etc.

You can read the whole thread here

No Authorities

Epitomy of Evolution wrote an interesting little rant on the General board of mASF.

epitomy_of_evolution writes:
Are no authorities in the way of seduction.  TD, gunwitch, ijjjji, harmless, etc. are not the final say on getting laid.  One thing if guys on here look to them for some help in the way of getting laid.  Another when guys give themselves up and live the life of another poster here.

Anyone who gets good does it on their own.  I smell a wise ass about to give me an exception.  Fuck off.

They don’t rely on anyone else.  Maybe get some help, but the rest is willpower.  You aren’t getting laid, it’s because you aren’t taking action and doing anything about it. DOn’t go reading up posts if you can’t just get out and try to get laid.  Do it.  You can’t do this, no one else will help you any.

You can’t get out there and try to get laid on your own, all the way, I say fuck you.  Start doing it.  You can’t do this, fuck off and die now becuase if ya can’t take charge of your life, maybe you can at least take charge of your death.

To continue with the Neo-Rio love of the day, here is his response…

Neo-Rio writes:
One of the main lessons to learn in this game is that, although many people espouse various tricks and techniques and theory… AT THE END OF THE DAY you have to have COMPLETE confidence in what you are doing.

Admittedly, that’s a hard frame for the newbie to understand when he’s got all these guru’s ideas about attraction and seduction floating in his head.

I think there’s a lot of truth in this.  It’s a very Zen Bhuddist outlook where guys who get good at this basically have to "kill their teacher," so to speak, and develop their own take on their style.  Of course, the only real way to do this is by going out in the field and practicing on a regular basis.

Hanging out with Tyler Durden is an interesting experience because he is CONSTANTLY going out in the field and testing new material while refining old ones.  It’s funny, because as much flack as he gets for being an "immitator," Tyler very much does his own thing which is different from those who taught him.  I’m going through something very similar at the moment where I am slowly starting to develop my own style and take on Pick-Up.  It’s a slow, painful process (in more ways than one), but one that is necessary.

And I agree with Neo-Rio where at the end of the day, it all comes down to confidence.  But I’d go even further and say it’s about CONGRUENCE as well.  Not only do you have to be sure in what you’re doing, but you gotta be consistent with it in all aspects of your life.  I mean, you can ACT alpha in a club, but if you aren’t alpha in how you move through life, any girl you end up attracting is gonna see through your shenanigans.

You can read the whole thread here.

Neo-Rio on Japanese Girls

If you either live in Japan, or just dig Japanese girls, Neo-Rio has a rather interesting response on what it’s like to live and sarge in Japan.

Neo-Rio writes:
For me, LJBF (Let’s Just Be Friends) is something I can RARELY ever get in Japan. It took me a while to figure out that J-chicks wanted me to come on to them early in the piece (but only in the way they wanted) otherwise they would just next me. This kinda pushed me into a difficult spot… either I fuck them and then get dumped again… or I get nothing.

The thing that will get you a relationship here in Japan is if you fuck some random chick who hasn’t got laid enough (and is a bit desperate), and then give her the relationship she demands of you as your taking her panties off…. at least that’s how it panned out for me.

Desperate chicks with stalker qualities make good girlfriends…. it’s just that getting rid of them can be fucking hard on you. Training them even harder…. but if you undo their kinks, they can turn out to be good LTRs (Long Term Relationships).

They just require a fair bit of work.

***Boldface definitions added by me.

Neo-Rio continues…

Jchicks LOVE to feel as if they have an effect on the men they encounter…. it their payoff. They don’t understand that I screen for personality though… they simply assume that their looks will do the work. In any case, they want to feel as if they can do some seducing too.

Usually here, I’m only LJBFing chicks who get my back up by resisting advances.

(snip)

Being direct has gotten me laid, but only on a particular type of chick. Not all chicks here go for that (even though it excites them). LJBF and scoring from behind really has only worked for me on chicks who resist too much. You drop their status to LJBF and let them work their way back up. That way, they get to feel that they are doing the seducing on you… which makes them feel more comfortable. LJBF is only half the story though.

In any case, most of my lays have still come from being direct about sex at some point. (Well, shit, if I’m going to stick my dick in her… it’s going to be obvious to all concerned!)

And he finishes the post off with this…

Well, most of these chicks who resist are typically helpless romantics… and I am anything BUT!

What works is for them to feel that they are seducing you… and you being hard to get (in LJBF) the best way to seduce them is to make them feel like they are doing the seducing, is to slowly (over a period of time) make gradual moves on her, and if she ever stops you at some point, you can turn around and say “OH, for some reason I just felt like touching you here because it made me feel comfortable… but I don’t know why!”

In essence, this is actually direct… BUT you are not taking responsibility and saying “*I* want to fuck you”. Instead, you are blaming *something* for your acting the way you are… but you don’t know what it is that makes you feel the way you do around the woman.

Since the woman is self-referential, she will assume that SHE IS SEDUCTIVE…. and SHE IS THE CAUSE of your behaiour which gives her some excitement and satisfaction. It also challenges her to push for more from you in the LJBF frame you imposed on her.

This is also the goal of SS… to make the woman think that it was all HER IDEA.

Also, when chicks resist you here, by not giving out numbers, going with you, negging you, or generally being a pain, you can say “Stop hitting on me” or in Japanese “Gyaku-nanpa o yamete!”… followed by “Let’s just be friends” or ” Tada otomodachi ni naritai yo!” and they will STOP DEAD. Then you can ask again and get what you want. This works because women here DO actually try to pimp guys by playing hard to get (which I just can’t fucking stand!).

My routine with Japanese chicks goes a little like this:-
* Neutral opener
* Some basic EV to get her talking
* Once she’s talking, screen her
* Once she’s talked for long enough, start showing interest, but do not take responsibility for it. (as in the example above). I do this by working on body language first… gazing, eye contact, prolonged holding of hands. etc. Say for example “You know, for some reason, you seem kind of interesting. I don’t normally do this, but do you have a phone number? I’d like to see you again.”
* If she resists or makes some bullshit up to slow you down at this point, then I’ll drag out “Let’s Just be Friends” If she keeps being a pain, then it’s “Stop hitting on me!”
* If she goes along with it, then I will try to isolate her and ramp her buying temp.

Ah, good stuff from Neo-Rio, as always. You can read the whole, unedited post here.

The Gift of Missing You

So I was reading through the Girl Talk Message Boards today and found a rather interesting post, simply entitled “Boyfriends” with a rather disappointed looking Smiley Face next to the title. So I check it out and this is what I find.

i_am_o_so_sexy writes:
It was about one year after my boyfriend and I had met. His name’s Josh by the way. Anyways, he called me up about two months ago and he said “Howz my sexy gal doing tonight?” We started talking and then after sometime he said “Mel, I’m crazy for you. I would do anything for you” Without hesitation I joked-that was pretty obvious by the way you were on this body last night. He cut me off by saying”I want to call this off bye mel” I was startled and before I could say anything, he just hung up. Two months later my heart still yearns for him. I loved him dearly and the way he broke up was so uncalled for. I see him almost everyday at the coffee shop and he never even answers my hi. I feel awful. Any advice?

Maybe it was because I blogged about my buddy MasterClass today, but this was exactly what he’s talking about when he says “Give them the gift of missing you.” It’s like a massive form of Push/Pull that just wreaks havok on the female psyche, but it is SUCH an effective technique when done right, you can’t ignore it, especially if you’re looking to keep a girl interested in you.

Now, in the example above, I was reminded by an excellent post by the Great and Mighty Zan on a technique he uses that is appropriately titled “Zan’s Powerful Technique.” Here it is for all you routine junkies out here.

Zan writes:
I don’t know if this has been suggested before. I have read most of TFM and lots of the archive and don’t remember seeing anything like it, so I’m sorry if this is not new.

(Subconscious interjection: Move through life without apology, Zan!)

Wait a minute! I take that apology back.

I haven’t heard anyone mention something like this but IME, it is a very powerful technique. Here is the essence of it: Profess your undying affection and devotion to the girl – and then NEXT her.

When to use this? When you have seen her several times, you have had great rapport, but now it feels like she is starting to flake. If your thing with a girl was hot at one time (she tongued you down, lots of EV and talking, etc), but now you sense the whole thing is starting to drift towards LJBF land, and you have nothing else to lose, try this. It just might help to resurrect a moribund relationship with a girl.

Or if you really like a girl but you have done some stupid AFC moves (and who among us haven’t?) and she is starting to lose interest, try this.

I have used this before to devastating effect. It sounds very AFC at first blush, but hear me out. Notice the difference between these two paragraphs (which I just made up and are cheesy, but it’s just to illustrate what I mean):

AFC: I think about you day and night. You are so beautiful and I adore you. I can’t wait to see you again.

PUA: I think about you day and night. You are so beautiful and I adore you. But now I must go. You have touched me on a very deep level and it is more than I can bear. I am helpless before other women and I will only hurt you and myself. I can’t see you anymore.

Say the first phrase to a girl and she thinks “Ha ha, I have a yappy new lapdog. Buy me dinner!” Zero challenge; she has already won.

Say the second phrase and it throws her into a whirlwind of emotions. Her whole world becomes the cover of a romance novel. Her nurturing instinct kicks into high gear (after all, you are a victim of your desires and she must save you). She knows she is about to lose you. And she senses that you are about to run to the arms of ten other women for comfort.

It is very powerful. But the key is that she has to know that you really mean it. It has to be believable. You are *really* not going to see her anymore. And you should believe it too. After all, it was going cold already anyway and she was probably going to LJBF you.

And this is important – say it and then split. Get the hell out of Dodge. What I have found is that in a lot of cases, she will become obsessed with you. You will be bombarded with emails and phone calls from her. It is almost impossible for her to resist this challenge.

She almost certainly will try to coax you back. But only if you do this move while your rapport is still fairly strong and things are still going reasonably well between you two when you ditch her.

And when she contacts you, you must remain congruent and never let her feel she has you. From this point on. And the beauty is that you *can* go back to seeing her, but now you are the one with value. You are the prize. And you are the one that appears ready to leave at any moment. She WILL work to keep you.

And you have established the fact that you see other women and you can’t help it. And she can’t complain about this because you told her the way you are and that she might get hurt. But she still wants you anyway.

I pulled this on a girl recently. We were making out and I was kissing her neck and stuff and we were both feeling really good.

Using a poem from the manual (and slightly altering it), I said something like:

ME: (kissing her neck and talking very slowly) You know what I am, HB? I am your teardrop… I was conceived in your heart… I was born in your eyes… I live on your cheeks… and I will die on your lips.

Then while lightly kissing her lips, I said some variation of the adoration / Nexting phrase I mentioned earlier. And then I got up and took off.

This girl was almost certainly going to flake out on me, but now she calls me every night, wants to see me, understands that she is not exclusive, wants to save me, etc.

In fact, I have used this as a way to establish almost every one of my MLTRs.

Try it…

See what I mean by very powerful Push/Pull? And coming from a guy like Zan, who has a harem of women who all know about each other and who have threesomes with him reguarly, you can bet the bank this tactic is field tested and PUA approved.

But the really interesting thing here, and this is evidenced by the very first post from the girl, is that it is a very powerful emotional hook that can be created by men in any relationship. The Gift of Missing You is probably the most powerful tool any man can have in his relationship arsenal.

David Shade Manual Practice

Since I got onto the topic of Sex Game and in particular David Shade’s Manual, I figured I’d share this post from Sir Italian on how he goes about practicing the DSM techniques.

Sir Italian writes:
David Shade’s Manual Practice Guide

A few people have asked me how to best prepare ladies for the stuff that can be found in David Shade’s Manual. So here it is, the complete Study Guide for the Manual.

Day 0
Begin with the chapters in the second half of the book. Start with What Women Must Have. This will give you a good foundation for the next days.

Day 1
You have succesfully seduced a lady and are in a (M)LTR with her. Now you want to introduce her to new sexual experiences and have purchased David Shade’s Manual for that.

It is essential that you begin early in the relationship to establish a positive atmosphere where it’s encouraged to talk about sex, pleasure and fantasies. If you don’t, you’ll find it more awkward to change the tone later.

I recommend you start your experiments with the chapter The Deep Spot. In the afterglow of a good fuck, begin to try out the Deep Spot techniques and see how she reacts. This alone will introduce a whole new dimension to your sexual life.

Day 2
Continue with The Welcomed Method to show her the power of clitoral stimulation. While you’re at it, you can show her how to squirt (Learning to Squirt).

Day 3
If she is a lady with normal to high sex drive, she’ll be asking, pleading for more at this point. It’s time to add some kinkyness to the play. Time to Slip in the Back Door for some rough sex. In case this your constitution is weakened by now, read the chapter Viagra Field Test Report.

Day 4
You and her deserve some relaxing. Give her a massage (better yet, let her give you a massage). Then put the chapters The Seven Chakras and Hypnocharged Tantra into practice. Don’t worry about hypnosis yet, just follow the text in the book.

When she is well-oiled from the massage, take some pictures (see: Getting Her to Pose for Pics).

Day 5
I’ve found that some men are sceptical about the hypnosis parts of the book. But we’ve spent four days without touching that subject at all! She’ll never forget you for the pleasures you gave her. When you start to introduce her to hypnosis now, she’ll never leave you (well, no guarantee, you know how women are. )

Revisit But She Won’t Let Me Hypnotize Her, just to be prepared. Then memorize the concepts of the chapter A Complete Script and put it in practice with Her First Hypno-V.O.. Oh, and then the fun starts: The Ten Count to Orgasm.

Day 6
Let’s build on the previous chapter by giving her the ability for an Instant Orgasm on Demand. To add some variety buy the Remote Control Egg and take her to a restaurant with it.

Next time you’re away from her, call her on the phone and have her Thinkoff.

Day 7
With the Remote Control Egg, you have already looked into realizing some of her fantasies. We will expand on this now with Fantasies into Realities and The High-Paid Hooker. This will prepare her nicely for further threesomes.

Day 8
Get deeper into hypnosis with Time Distortion, Coming Continuously, and The One Hour Come. Train her on the Instant Orgasms you learned earlier. You’ll need it to show your lady’s abilities to your threesome partner later.

Day 9
Dating the Bisexual Woman and Threesomes will bring some fun for you, again. If she feels nasty after that, you can restore her virginity (She’s a Virgin Again).

Day 10
Turn the heat on with some Spanking for the bad girl that she is, then explore her Rape Fantasies. Then tell her you love her and make her come Like in a Dream.

That’s it! In ten days (of course, the days don’t need to be next to each other), you have shown her things she has never seen before and will never experience again with other men. She’ll be much closer to you now and you’ll notice that her sexual drive even increases. The more you let her be your dirty little slut, the more she’ll enjoy sex and pleasing you. Have fun!

My favorite thing from the David Shade manual is probably the chapter on Making a Girl Squirt. Not only is it a great technique, but I’ve also gotten a pretty good routine out of it. Girls who haven’t squirted before find it intriguing, and girls who have find it pretty hot. This is probably one of the best things I got out of the book (and the video he recommends you learn it from is a pretty good porno too, for all you WANKERS out there =)

Anyway, you can visit Sir Italian’s site here. And if you wanna buy David Shade’s Manual, check it out here.

The Art of Orgasm

Sexkitten has chimed in with a post on her blog about multiple orgasms that I found interesting.

Sexkitten writes:
MULTIPLE ORGASM

…yes, that’s what I’ve been promised by a fellow I’m dating. This could be a ploy to get me in bed. But am I curious? Of course, and he knows it. And not only does he promise me multiple orgasms-he claims that he can make sex so pleasurable that I cry. I’ve never cried. And I’ve had lots of sex. So now he’s got me thinking: What if he can give me what he’s promised? What if he can make cry? Do I owe it to myself to find out? A mind-blowing, multi-orgasmic sexual experience that makes me cry is soooo, well, I’ve never had one.

He teaches meditation and spends most of his time doing Tai-chi. I’ve been on a few dates with him and he’s very intense. He’s even got me sword-fighting. But if I jump into bed with this man and he doesn’t give me multiple orgasms, or better yet, make me cry, and I’m going to have to make him cry. Hehehe.

You can check this article out on Sexkitten’s blog here.

This brings up a topic I’ve numerous conversations about with some of the best in the game. In fact, I’d have to say it’s a question of long term seduction versus pick-up and fast seduction. With Pick-Up and Fast Seduction, you’re goal is to get the girl into bed with you as quick as possible. But what if you want to keep her coming back? Well, that’s a question of long game, and a big part of long game is sexual prowess.

I have a buddy who goes by the handle MasterClass, who’s an old school SSer from back in the day. This is a guy who can’t cold approach to save his life, but when he meets a woman through his social circles, he’s like Yoda. But the real thing that impresses me about MC’s skill is that he’s able to keep the girls coming back and even chasing him, and it all comes down to something he calls “The Sex Game.”

Basically, his philosophy is you have to make a woman cum at LEAST 5 times before you even put your dick in her. You gotta be so good at lovemaking, that you ruin her for all other men. Basically, what he’s doing is raising his percieved value with his sexual techniques. But raising his value so high, that should he pull away, the girl experiences a sense of loss so great, that she’ll do anything to get it back. By doing this, he’s able to keep MULTIPLE women on the string. Seriously, I think he’s got something like 5 girls in his harem. Not only that, but he uses this power he has over them to negotiate threesomes and the like. And whenever one of them gets uppity or dramatic, he just “Gives them the gift of missing him” as he calls it and pulls away. Before long, the girl adjusts her behavior to please him so he’ll come back and she can enjoy mind-blowing sex again.

This is something I also discussed with Tyler Durden recently, who’s just now starting to up his skills in this part of the late game. A great resource for lots of guys out there who want to learn about this is David Shade’s Manual. That’s the book where MasterClass learned a lot of his techniques. It’s got a lot of hypnosis mumbo-jumbo in it, but it also has a few solid sexual techniques I’d never read about anywhere before, so it’s definitely worth checking out. If you buy it through my site, I get a commission, so be a friend if you decide to get it. =)

Anyways, my game isn’t quite at the stage where I can practice my sexual technique as much as someone like MasterClass and Tyler Durden, but I do recognize that it’s a very important part of the long term relationship with a girl. All the best pick-up artists I know are incredibly skilled lovers, so if some of you out there are stalling, this might be something you want to work on.

Dating for Male Porno Stars

Carly at Pornblography has a pretty entertaining write-up of advice for any guy who’s lucky enough to be working in porn, yet wants to date a chick that isn’t as fucked in the head as most of the girls he’s forced to work with.  So for all you guys in "the industry" who read this site, this one’s for you…

Carly writes:
A PSA FOR MALE TALENT LOOKING TO DATE MAINSTREAM GIRLS

If there’s one sentiment that’s been echoed to me on a continual basis by the male talent in this industry – aside from loudly proclaiming how virile they are – it’s that they’re interested in having a nice, normal relationship with a nice, normal girl. Working as a rent-a-cock seems to put a damper on this dream, surprisingly enough, but that doesn’t stop many of them from pursuing that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, rose-colored glasses firmly in place. But here’s the thing – it’s not always the fact that they do porn that makes them strike out, it’s how they behave that makes them strike out. And after hearing another story of this nature, I figured it was time to take the time to point out to the meat puppets in this industry why they’re having issues settling down with the girl next door. Or at least why they can’t fuck her.

Last week I got a phone call from a business associate/gal pal who left me a cryptic message saying that she had something to ask me as it was right up my alley. Up to my eyeballs in PR madness, I returned her call yesterday and got the scoop.

“Do you know [REAL NAME DELETED]?” she asked.

“Uhmmm…”

“He’s [PORNO NAME DELETED],” she said.

The light bulb went on. “Yes, I know him!”

“What’s his deal?”

I wracked my brain for anything I’d heard or any dealings I’d had with him in the past. “Seems decent enough,” I told her. “Never heard anything bad about him. He’s articulate from what I know. He can tie his own shoes.”

“He picked up on me at a bar,” she told me.

“What happened?”

“Well, first of all I met him and we kinda hit it off. He was funny and great to talk to. But then when he went to the bathroom the guy that was with him said, ‘You know he does porn, right?’ and I was like, ‘No!’ And so when he came back from the bathroom I asked if it was true.”

“And what did he say?”

“He said he hadn’t made a movie in a couple of years.”

STOP!

Okay, male talent, this is where your first fuck-up is. You can tell a mainstream girl all you want that you don’t do porn anymore… but you know what? She’s smart enough to do her research to see if that’s actually true. Let’s take a look at what happens next…

After I finished laughing my guts out, I said, “That’s total bullshit.”

“Oh, I know,” she said. “I looked it up on the Internet and he appears to have been very active. I even found on-set reports with him in them.”

“Yup, I was actually on set with him a few months back for something.”

“Right, that’s what I figured.”

“So what else happened?” I asked.

“Well, it was strange. One minute he’d be talking all normal with me and stuff, and then all of a sudden he’d get all serious and look at me and say, ‘I’m gonna fuck the hell out of you.’”

STOP!

Fuck-up number two. If you guys are going to continue to try and pick up on mainstream girls, you can’t talk to them like they’re industry. “I’m gonna fuck the hell out of you” will get you a blow job under the table of the restaurant you’re at if you’re in the Valley and you’re out with someone who wears kneepads for a living, but for those chicks who don’t, you’re either likely to scare them or get slapped. Let’s see what her reaction was…

I laughed heartily again. “See, that’s the problem – they don’t know how to talk to normal girls.”

“No, definitely not. It was weird.”

“So then what?”

“Well, then he wanted to go and get something to eat, but I was fine so I decided to stay there with my girlfriends,” she said. “So he left and called me later to see what I was doing. Then he called me again. And again. And again. And then he got his friend to call me, and I know his friend doesn’t have my number…”

STOP!

This would be fuck-up number three: overzealousness. Here’s another example of this that I saw first hand. I was on set for a shoot one time that counted among its invited guests a former contestant for a reality show who was perky and cute, and admitted that she was single. One of the male talent pulled up a chair and started chatting with her, which was cool, but then when she mentioned she was single he immediately started bombarding her with demands for her number, her address, dinner, drinks, a sleepover at his place… it was a little too much too soon for her and she quickly retreated, spending the majority of her time on set avoiding him. Now granted, Mr. Talent was clearly taken with her and was simply excited at the prospect of spending time in her company. But. There’s a difference between stalking and pursuing, fellas. Look it up.

But getting back to our story…

“Of course,” I said. “So then what?”

“Well, he called me at the end of the night when I was two seconds to walking in the door and hitting the sack, so I went to sleep.”

“You gonna talk to him again?”

“Probably not. But I wanted to call you and tell you what happened because I knew you’d appreciate it.”

Indeed I did. And if said talent might’ve been a little less full of shit, a little less overly sexually aggressive and a little less scarily stalkerish, he might’ve enjoyed more than the continual sound of my friend’s cell phone going to voicemail.

So here’s my tips to you porno fellas looking to date outside of the usual circles:

• Telling a girl how big your cock is or how many times you can pop in an hour isn’t a valid way to pick-up.

• Asking for double anal on the first date is inadvisable.

• If you have other interests outside of porn, you should discuss them. If you don’t have other interests outside of porn, you likely shouldn’t date outside of porn.

• Don’t bullshit her about what you have or haven’t done, because one trip to the video store or a little Internet research will prove you’re full of it.

• Try using your brain in place of your dick in terms of what runs your mouth.

• Read her signals. If the doorman at her building has been instructed to call the cops if he sees you, you likely took your pursuing into that stalking realm we were talking about.

Best of luck to you all.

Anyone else find it funny that guys who fuck girls for a living still have problems picking up women and dating?  I guess it just goes to show that we’re all in the same boat when it comes to finding a girl you can really connect with as opposed to finding a girl you can just stick your dick into.

I think Mystery should start courting porno guys to take his workshop.  Then they can learn all about comfort building, which most of them seem to know nothing about.  I guess you can only show up to deliver pizza and end up fucking the hot blonde and her roommate who just took a shower so many times before your view of reality gets slightly skewed.

Anyway, you can read the same article on Carly’s site, located here.

Maniac High Returns… sort-of.

TokyoPUA has recently posted a brank spanking new article from Maniac High on mASF on Chick Logic, of all things. It’s not exactly the amazing homecoming we expected from a legent like Maniac, but I guess it’ll do for now. Anyway, here’s TokyoPUA’s intro.

TokyoPUA writes:
Hey all you Maniac fans,

Well, I did predict Maniac would return, and I was mostly right. Basically, he is still too busy to post formally and get in on discussions, but he did say I could post this recent mail from him on the subject of chick logic and dominance. As usual, its pretty fringe stuff, not for the weak! But it definitely opened my eyes to just how crazy and mind blowing chick logic can be in its extreme, and I thought I had seen it all in this area. Of course, what we dont see here is all the lead up that Maniac has put into controlling this chick over the months, so that could be a contributing factor. Maybe he will explain some more of that in later mails. Anyway, have a read, be amazed, and enjoy.

And here is Maniac’s post.

Maniac High writes:
Having a chat with HBHooker (the chick you saw at the bar who’s fantasy isto be the slave/cheap hooker (though she has never been a hooker).

Get this chick logic.. its a real winner..

Post it on fs101 if you want.. this is so rich…

M: So why do you want to be the cheap hooker?
C: Because if I have to fuck guys, and give you money, it makes me feel controlled
M: Why do you want to feel controlled?
C: Because that makes me feel like your property..
M: And why is it nice to feel that you are my property?
C: Because then I can feel that you own me
M: Oh, I see, so why then do you want to feel owned?
C: Because if you own me, then it means that I belong to you.
M: Ok…. I see…
C: and then if I belong to you, I feel safe and not alone

[note the last answer is a usual chick answer, but all the above, is a real amazing feat of logic (which I have to say is bulletproof) to get there...]

It gets better though… then I asked her, well, why didn’t you become a cheap hooker before you meet me?

C: because I don’t need the money.. what I need is an owner, or a pimp, so I can give him the money, otherwise it is useless. (HBHooker is from a reasonably upper class family, so doesnt need money at all).

c: if I give the money to my pimp, and he buys clothes or something with it, when I see it, I know he used me to get that, so I can feel owned, and safe.

You can read the whole thread here.

Realizing Your Hotness

ijjjjji has an excellent post up about male attractiveness. I think he says a lot of good things, especially for someone like me who sits in an office all day and is overweight.

ijjjjji writes:
I’m beginning to realize that I’m no longer the UG4 that I used to be. For a man, his confidence, alphaness, fitness level, social skills and his ‘ability to acquire material things’ are HUGE PARTS of his hotness.

It is equally important for men to be HOT as it is to girls! But, how ‘genetically cute’ you are, plays an extremely small role in male hotness.

Before I started working out 1.5 years ago, girls who tried to guess my age said anything from 30 to 35. Before x-mas I struck a long streak of girls who refused to believe I’m more than 25… I’ve been getting the question about what I’m studying a lot..

And the ultra hot 19 YO I brought home on friday was SHOCKED when I told her my occupation and she told me it was impossible since that education takes like 5 years in university, and she is pretty sure I’m not more than 22..

It is ridiculous, and I refuse to take these silly girls seriously.. but I do notice that my facial features are improving INCREDIBLY MUCH with the work out.

Since the muscles in the face and in the neck are growing, the skin is being filled and stretched out.. thus removing beginning wrinkles I had 2 years ago.

I’m trying to loose some more fat right now, and I think my looks are improving from one week to the next. It is incredibly inspiring and makes me wonder how good I could look if I was able to cut alcohole and nicotine completely.. I will get there!

So seriously, if you are trying to become a PUA but don’t hit the GYM intensively 3 times a week, I think you are very unserious about your plan to become a PUA!

The thread goes on with many excellent responses. You can read them all here. This is actually a subject that hits very close to home for me right now. There was a time in my life where I weighed close to 300 lbs, and through sheer willpower and persistence, I was able to lose 100 lbs. It was a very interesting time in my life, because I looked and felt better than I ever had before, and it definitely changed all aspects of my life and my interactions with other people.

When you boil everything in this game down to it’s core, the fundamental trait every guy who’s good with women has to have is confidence, and so much of confidence has to do with how you feel about yourself. Getting in shape and taking control of your life is absolutely vital to that. Mystery has this thing about how life is boiled down to 3 things: Health, Wealth, and Relationships, and I fully agree with that trinity. But in my estimation, you can’t have good Wealth or Relationships if you don’t got your health. There IS a hierarchy there.

I think I’ll be reading this thread very closely and following the advice. I’m glad we got guys like ijjjjji around to offer up his experiences like this. =)

Becoming a Mercenary

Dimitri has a rather excellent post up on the General board of mASF where he extrapolated a rather interesting concept from the MrSex4uNYC archive (I still gotta read that “Best Of” post, damnit!!!). Anyway, he has this to say…

Dimitri writes:
On one last note, MrSex4uNYC settled another thing for me that I’d wrestled with in the past: I went from near always accepting a woman’s frame to near always rejecting a woman’s frame to a certain balance in between, now. I understand why I do this and why it works more.

In his post, NYC talks about always being a leader unless a better leader is around. If there is one, he doesn’t become a follower, he becomes a *mercenary*. For me (in other words, this is my interpretation) he’s working with the other person for as long as he’s getting what he wants, but when he’s not getting “paid” any more, he’s off to the highest bidder again, or working alone. That’s my new modus operandi. I’m in charge of myself until what someone else is doing is better for me. In that case, I’m behind them as long as it’s furthering my cause.

That idea in the above paragraph is now my own… NYC didn’t write the first part verbatim, nor did he extrapolate like I did. It’s my interpretation of how it’s going to be, and how it’s been becoming. Now I can articulate the attitude I’ve been ever-more becoming, and having the words for it is glorious.

And I get the added bonus of being a “Mercenary” now! How fucking sweet is that? “Mercenary Dimitri”… next time a woman asks what I do, I’m going to say I’m a Mercenary. Matter o’ fact, I used to use this as a stock response a while back. “I’m for sale to the highest bidder…” I wonder why I stopped using that…

Oh well. Anyway, yeah, I’ve gone off on a tangent, but my original idea: Leadership. Be in control of *yourself* and what you keep you around yourself. You can’t control a woman, but you can control how much she is around you, how much she affects you, and how much of yourself you’ll share with her. For me, accepting another frame or another’s leadership is acceptable, no… it’s correct, if working with that person I am better able to achieve my own goals. And MrSex4uNYC seems like a really badass guy.

I like that idea, because it reframes situations where you’re with your wingman. Instead of being subserviant or beta to your buddy, you can be more of a hired gun. Plus, I like the part about telling the girl “I’m for sale to the highest bidder.” lol.

The whole thread can be checked out here.

Guys who FClose

Harmless has a pretty good response to a thread started by Sirducer about guys who Fuck Close repeatedly.

Harmless writes:
It’s all about finding that ONE girl who can be convinced to
come home with you TONIGHT.

Some guys might say that with enough skill you can pull ANY girl. Bullshit. With enough skill, you learn to CALIBRATE and figure out which girls you can game well enough to come home with you. This has to do with their receptiveness and your skillset.

It doesn’t matter if you open 1 girl or 100. All that matters is FINDING a girl who you can take home and CONVERTING it into a lay.

I can pretty much tell in the first 20 minutes whether or not a girl is coming home with me. Calibration, guys. Calibration.

fcloses are not so much a seperate skillset as an extremely time distorted version of a regular PU.

Good stuff. Calibration is very important in dealing with ANYONE you’re trying to persuade or manipulate. You can read the whole thread here.

Suggestibility Games

I found this great post via Sir Italian’s Seduction Blog about Suggestability Games. This guy, Professor Brian David Philips, describes some great techniques to derive indices for whether a subject is easy to hypnotize or not. The funny thing is, I think a lot of these can be adapted to Interactive Value Demonstrations (IVDs). I’ll have to play around with these a bit more. Here are a few of my favorites:

1. MUSCULAR RELAXATION
This is a test of how well you can relax. Sit comfortably and raise your left arm to a right angle position in front of your chest and extend your right forefinger and place it under the center of the left palm. Concentrate on relaxing your left hand and arm completely so it’s only support is the extended right forefinger. When you are confident that your left hand and arm is completely relaxed, let me know and at the count of three take your forefinger away. . . one, two, three.” See what happens. If your hand falls then you’ve done great and are relaxed and following instructions. If it does not fall then it can’t be relaxed. Try again, this time really relax and let it go loose, limp and relaxed.

Hmmmm. The possibilities!!!! *giggle* Anyway, here’s another great one:

3. THE LEMON
Ask subject to close his or her eyes and imagine looking at, feeling, picking up, and slicing a ripe, bright, yellow lemon in half. Then he/she invites the clients to picture themselves smelling the lemon, bringing it to their mouth, and finally squeezing some of the juice onto their tongue. The individuals who are aware of salivating and/or smelling the citrus aroma during this exercise are more likely to be good imaginative candidates than those who do not salivate. Some individuals’ mouths will visibly pucker.

Ah, good stuff, good stuff. You can read the whole thread here.

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