Lessons for the Older Player

Neo-Rio has an interesting post up in the Tactics forum of mASF about an older PUA he ran into.

Neo-Rio writes:I know this dude from the local bar who’s about 50 or so and is pretty much a self-styled player in his own way. He’s never been married but has kids with about 3 different women and is living away from all of them and his kids at the moment. In fact, one of his women just had another.

The reason why I know all this is because this is his whole routine… how many kids he has and how many women are having them. He’s got his game together and its very telling. In fact he was there push-pulling on some blonde babe who I’d easily rate an 8 – and I crashed the party.

Then I come along – and he was totally unthreatened by this (as he should be), and his anti-AMOG tactics were to ask me “So how many kids do you have?” So all I said was “Well, shit dude. You have a head start on me there! How old are you?” So then he was like “Well, that’s the whole point of having girlfriends isn’t it? You just don’t understand the joy of being able to hold your own baby in your hands etc. etc. and it’s really wonderful blah blah blah…. you have no idea. You should pop one in your girlfriends oven, you don’t know what you’re missing… etc etc”

The whole tone is now getting condescending as he trys to reframe the situation. Interesting the way an older dude can use his years and experience to put pressure on younger guys, in a completely non-threatening way… whereas all I could possibly respond with would have been “and you probably have a limp cock.” which would have been out of place. So yeah, the situation put me off guard because most of the time I’m dealing with guys my age and not players with the experience of Svengali laying it on hard to some guy who already knows the rules, but lacks the experience. Getting out of this one would have required some really solid shit, but this guy had his game together in many other ways as well. I’ve heard other lame lines, but I was unprepared for something like this.

He turns to the blonde and says “You know, I’ve found that you should always tell ugly women that they’re beautiful, and beutiful women that they’re ugly.” Then he looks at the blonde and says “…and you’re ugly.”. She laughs. It’s a perfectly structured 101 routine.

Another guy shows up and the conversation turns to how to attract women, but wisely the guy refuses to answer any questions. “I don’t know what you are talking about”… but you could tell that he didn’t want to walk down that path, but I bet he had his own ways (or at least did a good job making everyone think he was hiding something)… which was a wise move.

later on he said some other shit, but it wasn’t too long before he was getting the blonde to qualify herself to him. It was really interesting shit to watch. He played a lot of active disinterest, partly listening and partly taking more interest in making rolly cigarettes.

Anyway, I went to take a whiz and when I got back I saw them arm in arm leaving the place. When he could sense other guys moving in, he switched to isolation and left with her.

All in all, an interesting learning experience even when you lose to some other guy with more game. Especially the older guys because they try and reframe you into a father-son kind of situation (just like we reframe our targets into bratty little sister, or little girl frames) Plus actually having been a father gives his the experience to pull this shit off.

The thread goes on with some rather interesting discussion. I like the idea of the Older guy’s AMOG tactics with younger men. It kind of reminds me of the Regan debate where he was up against a much younger opponant who was trying to make Regan’s advanced age an issue, and Regan just replied “I’m not going to hold my opponant’s youth and inexperience against him.” What a way to tool the kiddies! lol.

Anyway, you can read the whole lively thread here.