More Info on Mystery’s Marriage

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Okay for all you guys who thought Mystery getting hitched was an April Fools joke… well, that doesn’t seem to be the case.

I’ve talked to a few people and the marriage seems to be for real.  I guess the story is that Mystery and his girlfriend went to Vegas to see a Perfect Circle concert, and it was cancelled.  So while they had downtime, Mystery came across a store that had a matching pair of rings for sale.  It turned out they were wedding rings.  He bought them on the spot and suggested he and his girlfriend get married, and she was game.  Right after teh ceremony they hitched a flight back to LA.

When they told the guys at the Project Hollywood mansion, it was apparently met with a great deal of disbelief and shock.  But Mystery’s wife has been living with him and now they are officially in holy matrimony.  I think everyone is still pretty skeptical about the whole situation (and with good cause), but they support Mystery and hope the couple stays happy.

But the real question is:  How will this effect his business?  Can a married man legitamitely teach other guys how to pick-up women?  And if he can, will he be able to remain married?  Will other guys want to learn seduction from a guy who has a wife?  Needless to say, this development brings some very interesting questions about.  It won’t affect the validity of Mystery’s theory or method, but it might affect his skills which in the long run might be detrimental to his workshops.  After all, how often can you go out sarging if you have a wife at home?

Then again, perhaps this is another way of Mystery moving away from pick-up and focusing more on his magic career.  Either way, I hope it works out for him.

Put your Money where Mystery’s Mouth Is…

Well, it’s been a while since we’ve had a little Mystery Video Scandal, so I guess we were due for another one.

Mystery recently got a new girlfriend.  She’s a rather pretty and peppy Russian girl who I got to meet when I ran into Mystery on 3rd Street Promenade in Santa Monica a few days back.  Frankly, I think the girl is gorgeous.  Very much my type physically.  Mystery seems to agree.  So he made a little video to show her off to the masses, and posted it on mASF.  Of course, after a few congratulatory posts, the wolves came out to feed…

Gunwitch writes:
Shes a 10?

I mean not to be a dick. I admire your courage for coming out and saying finally that you do use sexual state stuff. Agree totally with the identity post.

But come on "you dont know what good IS!" "ELITE BEST WOMEN!" stuff youve talked before.

Shes an 8 socially, maybe YOUR 10, maybe a fine human being, she seems sweet enough and like a decent person. But a perfect hb 10 that you will only accept?

Maybe finally allow personal taste to come in to play for a change. EVERY chick you bang isnt a perfect hb 10 to ALL men.

No offense intended, cool ya got proof, shows once and for all ya aint just a poof, but ya gotta know taste varies, dont brag about hotties when ya aint got them fine butts, dont drag other guys guys bitches down when its all about your own nutts.

Ah, with such poetic musings as that, it’s no wonder Gunwitch can woo so many women!  Regardless, the gauntlet was thrown, and Gunwitch took Mystery to task for his bragging about getting some of the HOTTEST women around.  This, of course, warrents a response back from the Mystery Man himself…

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Put your Money where Mystery’s Mouth Is…

Well, it’s been a while since we’ve had a little Mystery Video Scandal, so I guess we were due for another one.

Mystery recently got a new girlfriend.  She’s a rather pretty and peppy Russian girl who I got to meet when I ran into Mystery on 3rd Street Promenade in Santa Monica a few days back.  Frankly, I think the girl is gorgeous.  Very much my type physically.  Mystery seems to agree.  So he made a little video to show her off to the masses, and posted it on mASF.  Of course, after a few congratulatory posts, the wolves came out to feed…

Gunwitch writes:
Shes a 10?

I mean not to be a dick. I admire your courage for coming out and saying finally that you do use sexual state stuff. Agree totally with the identity post.

But come on "you dont know what good IS!" "ELITE BEST WOMEN!" stuff youve talked before.

Shes an 8 socially, maybe YOUR 10, maybe a fine human being, she seems sweet enough and like a decent person. But a perfect hb 10 that you will only accept?

Maybe finally allow personal taste to come in to play for a change. EVERY chick you bang isnt a perfect hb 10 to ALL men.

No offense intended, cool ya got proof, shows once and for all ya aint just a poof, but ya gotta know taste varies, dont brag about hotties when ya aint got them fine butts, dont drag other guys guys bitches down when its all about your own nutts.

Ah, with such poetic musings as that, it’s no wonder Gunwitch can woo so many women!  Regardless, the gauntlet was thrown, and Gunwitch took Mystery to task for his bragging about getting some of the HOTTEST women around.  This, of course, warrents a response back from the Mystery Man himself…

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Interview Clarification

Recoil posted this in response to the "BadBoy Apprentice" interview.

Recoil Responds:
First of all, the ‘interview’ is a POOR translation of a *PRIVATE* IM conversation with Puerh, which was given by the dumb idiot to Thundercat without my permission or even knowledge.

Also, the interview makes it look like those are all things that Badboy told me, while in truth meeting Badboy actually made me believe the things some of my ASF non-mainstream online friends were telling me for a long time about ASF/different ‘gurus’/their methods- things I could not believe before, before I saw how EASY it can be with BBs methods, compared to shit people murder themselves with on ASF-when I experienced it, I started to pay more attention to different ‘negative slants’ people were telling me before.

As for ‘negative slant’: I have very very weird intel coming to me from reputable sources in USA, Canada & other countries…intel like horror stories about a ‘top pua’ (gives workshops) writing fake lay reports and doing minor stuff like inflating his lays from 6-7 to 9-10.

First of all, I’d like to sincerely appologize to Recoil.  The way this conversation he had was originally presented was that of an actual "Interview."  As in, he knew it was going to be published somewhere.  I did not know it was a private IM conversation that he never wanted to be published.  He e-mailed me and asked me to take down the interview, which I have.

As far as rumors about "Top PUA" inflating lays and writing fake lay reports goes, yeah, I’ve heard the same rumors.  But so far, they’re just rumors.  It’s funny, because I have people e-mailing me stuff all the time about "dirt" and "rumors" about people in the community that I don’t publish here, but some rumors are so consistent they can’t be totally ignored.  But as far as some fake who teaches workshops goes, well, I’m not so sure about that.  You’d get exposed pretty quick in the field if you don’t know what your doing.  The fake Lay Reports seem to be more of a common phenomenon though.  But then again, that’s been around since the community started.  As for "inflating lays," well, that’s subjective.  A 6-7 to one guy may be a 9-10 to another.  It’s not anyone elses place to judge.

I have heard a great deal of good things from a variety of sources about BadBoy, so I know he must be pretty good.  Some of his posts on Mystery’s Lounge are quite amazing, and the guy definitely has skill.  I’m very interested in seeing him in action for myself.  Not only that, I’m quite curious to see if what he teaches can work in the United States as well as it does in Croatia.  I think a lot of the "negativity" comes from the confident/cocky attitude that BadBoy and his wingman Shark teach.  I know there’s more than a little tension between the Croatia PUA camp and the American PUA camp when it comes to the validity of tactics (both sides are skeptical of the other sides).

Regardless, we’re all here to get laid.  So best get back to the learning and give the drama a rest for a while.  =)

Product MANIA!!!!

Wow, I can’t believe how saturated this whole "seduction" market is getting.  Right now I know of 3 rather big guys in the community who are gearing up to release some major products.  Back in the good ol’ days, I could think of only 2 major players.  Now, the seduction community seems to be feeling the full brunt of the free market economy.

This is funny, because it used to be a big thing for someone to go into business and release a product.  In my observations, it wasn’t until Swinggcat, a regular member of the community, broke out and opened the doors for various PUAs to create and self-distribute their own products.

Needless to say, things are gonna get interesting…

What’s up with MINE’99?

Sieve put up a post on the off topic board.

Sieve writes:
Be it mASF or Cliff’s List, whenever I see MINE’99 these days he’s slamming some guy for not giving "proper credit" about the source of technical-sounding concepts like "fractionation", or whatever.

I can understand his feeling upset for not being credited, but he’s doing it so much I start to wonder, is it because ASF has gone sort-of-mainstream? That he is worried that the new guys will think that those fractionation stuff was invented by (TD, Iniose, whoever) instead of him, thereby decreasing his source of revenue?

Hey, wait a minute… this is a marketing ploy, isn’t it? Instead of debating about concepts, he can just spot whenever a guy says something that can be retrofitted/ascribed to BHSC/whatever, and says that he’s the originator. Sounds like a good way of doing promotion to me…

Note:  I’ve edited this post from the original on mASF.  You can find the original post and Formhandle’s rather "diplomatic" response here.

 

What’s up with MINE’99?

Sieve put up a post on the off topic board.

Sieve writes:
Be it mASF or Cliff’s List, whenever I see MINE’99 these days he’s slamming some guy for not giving "proper credit" about the source of technical-sounding concepts like "fractionation", or whatever.

I can understand his feeling upset for not being credited, but he’s doing it so much I start to wonder, is it because ASF has gone sort-of-mainstream? That he is worried that the new guys will think that those fractionation stuff was invented by (TD, Iniose, whoever) instead of him, thereby decreasing his source of revenue?

Hey, wait a minute… this is a marketing ploy, isn’t it? Instead of debating about concepts, he can just spot whenever a guy says something that can be retrofitted/ascribed to BHSC/whatever, and says that he’s the originator. Sounds like a good way of doing promotion to me…

Note:  I’ve edited this post from the original on mASF.  You can find the original post and Formhandle’s rather "diplomatic" response here.

 

Gunwitch is an Idiot?

Well, someone’s throwing some gasoline on the flames in Gunwitch’s direction on the General Boards of mASF today.  Not that Gunwitch isn’t a controversial figgure in the community, I mean, it’s nothing new that he gets flamed due to his confrontational "Holier than thou" posting style and rather unique method on seduction.  But this post in particular is rather revealing, and seems to have caught on with the people on the boards.

LowRider69 writes
This shit is completely unacceptable. I’m not reading or taking any advice from Gunwitch anymore. I realized the guy is a fucking moron after reading this archived post.

I have to RESPECT the people I take advice from and I don’t respect the shit quoted below.

I thought i’d re-post it since there are tons of non-white guys on here and you might want to RE-THINK listening to this moron.

QUOTED FROM GUNWITCH

"Whats with all the posts on "my superior indian women, who are hard to get". They look like shit compared to white women (so who cares), cant speak proper english so IMO they are DUMB (sorryif thts redneck offensive but if you dont speak english you are a moron as its THE language), and in general stink like bolonge or something.

RAPE EM, if you are in the states as theyll have to go to an embasy to file a report cause they cant even talk to an american pig.

As far as flap ass, american indians go offer em a bottle of rubbing alcohol after closing time and theyll suck your dick, just to drink it.

Sorry if i offend anyone, but "dot in the forehead" AND klingon style "native" americans are useless fucks if you ask me. Never met a black i didnt like, same with latinos and asians, REDS suck though im my experience. I think thy should be banned from the board."

You can read all the drama here.

Feminator vs. Vince, who’s gonna get Bitchslapped? Chances are it’s the one with the $$$

Just found a rather entertaining post on mASF where Feminator tries his best to attack the mighty Vince Runza, the old school ASFer from back in the day.  Here’s Fem’s opening blow…

Feminator writes:
VINCE NEEDS TROLLS INSTEAD OF PUSSY

Somebody send me today an email with all this stuff from the archive. Thanks a lot, because now i see, who is the real troll! Vince is desperatly searching for trolls, instead of improving methods!

Then he goes on to post a series of flames from the old uASF board dealing with Ray Gordon and the like.  Anyways, Vince responds:

Vince Runza writes:
You should have read for content, doofus! Now, why don’t you check out alt.seduction.fast, the newsgroup these posts were taken from? Heh, find out what they sounded like in context?

Plus, you’ll meet Ray Gordon. Oooh, you two are made for each other! Also, practically noone there will suspect what a thief you are.

ROFLMFAO!
Vince
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8===Гђ

But I think the whole thing is summed up best by Yuri, who writes:

Yuri writes:
Just as Dmitri said, Feminator is in Vince’s reality… Therefore, since Feminator is spending EXCESS TIME thinking about this problem when Vince is probably just shrugging it off, he is out-alphaed. That’s what I mean what I said that Feminator lost already.

If you want to read the whole sad, sad thread, check it out here.

Feminator vs. Vince, who’s gonna get Bitchslapped? Chances are it’s the one with the $$$

Just found a rather entertaining post on mASF where Feminator tries his best to attack the mighty Vince Runza, the old school ASFer from back in the day.  Here’s Fem’s opening blow…

Feminator writes:
VINCE NEEDS TROLLS INSTEAD OF PUSSY

Somebody send me today an email with all this stuff from the archive. Thanks a lot, because now i see, who is the real troll! Vince is desperatly searching for trolls, instead of improving methods!

Then he goes on to post a series of flames from the old uASF board dealing with Ray Gordon and the like.  Anyways, Vince responds:

Vince Runza writes:
You should have read for content, doofus! Now, why don’t you check out alt.seduction.fast, the newsgroup these posts were taken from? Heh, find out what they sounded like in context?

Plus, you’ll meet Ray Gordon. Oooh, you two are made for each other! Also, practically noone there will suspect what a thief you are.

ROFLMFAO!
Vince
–
8===Ð

But I think the whole thing is summed up best by Yuri, who writes:

Yuri writes:
Just as Dmitri said, Feminator is in Vince’s reality… Therefore, since Feminator is spending EXCESS TIME thinking about this problem when Vince is probably just shrugging it off, he is out-alphaed. That’s what I mean what I said that Feminator lost already.

If you want to read the whole sad, sad thread, check it out here.

Feminator breaks the $$$Girl Code$$$

Feminator posts about his magic pill.  You know it must be $$$ because its in the advanced forum!  =)

Thundercat

mASF on the Upswing?

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/30/04

Back when I got into the community hardcore about 6 months ago, I can remember going onto mASF and reading through a derth of posts, not really getting much from any of it.  It wasn’t until I got on Mystery’s Lounge that I found some amazing posts that detailed some of the most cutting edge tactics I’ve seen to date.  However lately, I’ve been getting more out of mASF than I have anywhere else on the web.  It seems that there are a great many good posters on the board now, and the information is getting to be pretty solid and even, dare I say it, interesting.

All this stuff comes in cycles.  I’m sure in a few months it’s going to suck again.  But there do seem to be a great many intelligent posters around at the moment who are actually sharing some new and exciting ideas.  I plan to enjoy it while it lasts.  =)

Thundercat

Ross Responds to the Strauss/Brasco Article

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/27/04

It seems Ross Jeffries has taken time from his busy schedule to respond to Minger’s article comparing Neil Strauss to Donnie Brasco.  Ross jumps to Strauss’s defense, but not before claiming the book that Strauss is writing was his idea (of course.  He’s been teaching writing books since his LA ’99 videos!).

You can find his reply here.

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The Truth behind Neil Strauss?

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/26/04

It seems Minger from the DC lair has a very interesting metaphor for the way Neil Strauss is working within the community.  You can find the article here.

Thundercat

Clarification on the NYT Article

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/26/04

I had a talk with Mystery today, who gave me the inside scoop on the ”behind the scenes” drama that went on with Neil Strauss and the New York Times regarding the article in last weekend’s Fashion & Style section.  According to Mystery, the article that was printed was a very bastardized version of the original article Mr. Strauss had written, which was a much more positive and balanced view of the community.  I’m told Mr. Strauss fought very hard with his editors who originally did not want to print the article, but which Strauss pushed through in order to beat the Rolling Stones Journalist who is writing an article on the community to the punch.  Apparently, the editors rewrote and re-arranged the article to meet their more ”PC” women-centric standards that the publishers preach, which only reinforces what I thought happened after reading the article for myself.  I’m told Mr. Strauss was not happy with the finished article, but that it could have been much worse had he not fought for it.

Mystery, however, still seems conflicted on how he was portrayed.  He’s worried about it hurting his magic career, and he also elaborated on the pick-up that was featured in the article, telling me how the woman he was pictured with took offence to him going after her friend instead of her.  Had Mystery known that she was going to be the one profiled in the article, he says he could have easily made her his girlfriend as opposed to experimenting and looking for the bridge to her friend (who apparently was a clone of Rachael Leigh Cook, so who can blame him for going for it, eh?  =)

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