Breaking News: Real Social Dynamics Still Sucks Ass
February 19, 2008 by Thundercat
Filed under Rants & Reviews
So the other night, I’m minding my own business when I get an Instant Message from Donovan over at the Seduction Chronicles. He asks me to check out this post where someone other than me finally takes RSD to task.
Now, I know I get a lot of flack for ragging on the Real Social Dickweeds over there in the magical world of PUA-land where Tyler and his minions continue to drink the cool-aid about how they rule and everyone else sucks, so I was happy to see that I’m not the only one being vocal about it anymore.
(Just to be fair, nearly every major PUA I know talks shit about Tyler and crew, but they don’t do it publicly. That distinct pleasure seems to be reserved for yours truly.)
So my first reaction to this post was – it went too easy on these guys.
Now, most of what I’m going to write here is directed primarily at Tyler and Papa, since they pretty much are RSD. All the other guys – Jlaix, Christophe, and anyone else I don’t know, I have no real problem with. They are just the most recent brainwashed minions to fall under the Tyler spell. So this in no way is meant as a criticism of them.
Getting back to it – the purpose of Donovan’s post was to talk about the mythical "Blueprint" which is now 4 years in the making. It’s basically a critique of Tyler’s teachings, and that reflects as to why the Blueprint is never coming out.
Now, RSD just released "The Blueprint Exposed," or whatever the heck their next lame product is. But make no mistake about it – it’s just the same old recycled Tyler crap you’ve always gotten from him.
The biggest complaints I hear directed towards my criticisms of the RSD boys and their teachings is that I’m "jealous" or "petty" because they "won’t hang out with me" or that we had some type of falling out because Tyler didn’t want to write articles for me any more.
Make no mistake about it – that’s not true. I used to consider these guys friends, and I kept quiet about my concerns with Tyler and crew for a long time after that relationship deteriorated (this happened around the time the boys were all ganging up against Mystery in Project Hollywood).
The thing that made me go public with my criticism of RSD was the deluge I got from people who took their workshops and felt they got scammed. Before long, I was getting too many of these emails and bad reviews to ignore.
Then came the evidence that RSD was putting inexperienced instructors into the field to teach paying customers stuff they could not even do themselves.
Finally, there was the "Deep Throat" who sent me private messages from RSD’s instructor’s message board specifically outlining how they planned to trick workshop students into thinking they improved in their workshops when really it was just a trick for inexperienced instructors to make the poor student feel good without having to actually deliver results (and therefor not deliver a refund).
All that combined, I felt the need to speak out, because my personal experiences with these guys has never been anything but bad. Papa is a sociopathic liar, and so is Tyler – Tyler is just more charismatic and better at hiding it than Papa is. And neither of them really care about anyone other than themselves – so you can add a healthy dash of narcissism in there for good measure.
Now, I know what you’re thinking: "Thundercat, what does this have to do with pickup? Why are you hating? Negativity sucks. Blah, blah, blah."
Well, this actually has a LOT to do with pick up, since these are guys that students look up to and follow. These are also guys who have the power to REALLY mess people up.
The reason I’m writing about this is really because the focus on Donovan’s post was about the teachings of RSD. Well, let me say this right now:
THE TEACHINGS WORK.
That is how they are able to stay in business. If you follow the
instructions that these guys lay out for you, chances are you will get
results.
Now, you may feel shocked that I say this, but it’s true. The
teachings are good! However, the reason they are good is because – THEY DID NOT COME UP WITH THEM.
Tyler is what you get when you breed a leech with a sponge. No one
freakin’ cared who Tyler was until he started hanging out with
Mystery. Then, all of a sudden, Tyler starts posting about his "super
uber crazy skillz" on mASF – which is all stuff he learned from
Mystery, but Mystery never bothered to post publicly about, and he starts getting props.
Then, Tyler starts learning Speed Seduction. Now he’s down with
manipulation and mind control in addition to routines and peacocking. Okay, cool.
After that, he starts teaching his own workshops and gets the whole
"hero worship" thing going. (Another thing he got from Mystery)
Then, he moves into Project Hollywood and studies Neil Stauss’ every
move. And for those of you who pay attention, this is when RSD was in
their hey-day.
He then starts taking things from gifted co-horts of his, Like
PlayboyLA, Sickboy, and Twenty-Six, and passing them off as his own.
Keep in mind, this is all taking place in the 2004-2005 time frame.
Why is this relevant?
Simple – because THIS is the time when Tyler announces he is writing THE BLUEPRINT. The supposed end-all-be-all of pick up.
And then something incredible happens…
EVERYONE DITCHES TYLER!!!
Mystery excommunicates him. Ross refuses to hang with him. Style
thinks he’s a prick and a phony. Even the people who were closest to
him – Playboy, Sickboy, and Twenty-Six – all see he’s a sociopath and
move as far away from him as they can get.
People stop posting their ideas on Mystery’s Lounge because Tyler keeps ripping them off and passing them off as his own.
Then, the cracks in their organization begin to surface, the bad reviews start to come out, and what do they do?
THEY CUT THEMSELVES OFF!
They stop participating in the community. They stop posting on mASF.
They only do stuff on their website, their blog, and their newsletters
because that’s the only way they can manipulate what gets out about
them.
But something else happened when they retreated into RSD-land…
TYLER RAN OUT OF PEOPLE TO STEAL FROM.
Notice how little innovation has come from TD since the actual,
TALENTED gurus, such as Mystery, Style, and Playboy, stopped hanging
out with him?
Trust me: This is not a coincidence.
Tyler has always been very good at co-opting other people’s ideas and
making them seem like his own brilliance. But Tyler is just a
charismatic snake-oil salesman. He is repackaging stuff that better
PUAs teach, and passing it off as his own.
Even newer products like "Transformations" is a rip off of the
behavioral stuff Dr. Paul has been pioneering. And don’t think a lot
of TD’s latest offerings haven’t been poor-man versions of stuff Brad P
came up with.
Like I said – their teachings work – but not because of them. In fact, it is DESPITE them that they work!
All RSD is, is an organization designed to do 2 things…
1. Make money
2. Inspire mindless loyalty in their students.
Oddly enough – this business model is even ripped off from Ross
Jeffries, who, for once, is actually RIGHT when he says someone stole
something from him!
These guys DO NOT CARE about students. Their goal – with their
products AND their workshops – is to fool students into feeling good
enough that they won’t ask for their money back, without having to
deliver any actual results.
And this is the reason why the actual Blueprint will never be released
- because Tyler has run out of the best people to steal from, so he has
a hard time writing this stuff down because he can’t analyze and break
down what better PUAs are doing before they popularize their techniques
first.
All you’re going to see from Tyler and crew from here on out is the following:
1. Products based on seminars where they give away 0% content but make you feel really good for watching it.
2. Workshops designed to excite people without evoking any real change or results.
3. Fun videos that display Tyler’s charismatic personality to make you
like him, without ever really showing you how freakin’ sociopathic he
is.
4. Long, rambling posts and field reports that are either completely made up, or completely ripped off from someone else.
Trust me – if it wasn’t for the fact that they somehow weaseled their
way into almost all of David D’s products, these guys would have been
out of business long ago, because they aren’t innovators. They are not
originators. They are rip-off artists and fakes. (Again, this is
aimed at Tyler and Papa, not others in the RSD crew. They may be just
as bad as Tyler, but history shows that the people TD and Papa surround
themselves with are actually much more talented than they are.)
So before people go off half-cocked and tell me I’m a loser who’s just
spouting negativity for no good reason, I think you guys have to look
long and hard at how these guys and their past actions have played out.
1. They’ve stopped innovation because all the innovators have stopped hanging out with them.
2. Everyone who used to like them now hates them and wants nothing to do with them.
3. They have a business model based around self-gain and deception.
4. They isolate themselves because they have a narcissistic need to manipulate and control all information about them (something the Nazi government was very good at, as well).
5. They threaten to sue anyone who actually dares to speak ill of them and expose the truth.
If there is anyone out there reading this who has signed up for an RSD
product or workshop, or is thinking about it – trust me, you would be
better off with almost ANY other seduction course or guru out there,
with the exception of Ross Jeffries.
In my humble opinion, there are two companies you should never, ever, EVER buy or learn anything from, and they are:
1. Real Social Dynamics
2. Speed Seduction
So who should you learn from? Well, check out my Top 10 list. Those guys are the REAL DEAL. Check them out for yourselves.
Okay, rant finished. Now let the flaming begin!
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I don’t know where the $250,000 on production went because it still looks like amateur night. Shakey camera, out of focus, guys running round ‘ducking’ and one memorable moment where the sound went out of synch. If that’s what Tyler spent he was just pissing away money. He could’ve got a camcorder and a buddy to shoot him waist up ‘Foundations’ style and that still would’ve sufficed.
In the Blueprint, Tyler claims that you can jump off a ten story building and all that will happen is you’ll hurt your ankles. He says Ciaran did it. Tyler asks the crowd if they think gravity gets any faster as you go down. Someone in the audience says yes, you do speed up. Tyler asks why he thinks that. It turns out he’s a physics teacher. Tyler then
says that since you reach terminal velocity after a certain distance, you can jump off a ten story building and be fine. I looked up terminal velocity; it’s around 120 mph and will, in fact, kill you if there’s nothing to buffer your fall.
Then he asks if anyone’s eaten their own shit. How they know it’s bad for them. Dogs eat their own shit, after all. Well, the truth—which he doesn’t mention—is that eating your shit will make you sick.
RSD could probably be sued for this.
If Ciaran jumped out a ten story window because Tyler said that then I wish he’d said twenty story and made it count.
If Ciaran’s chowing down on his own shit now then that’d maybe explain why he writes it too – gotta find a way out the system somehow. Unfortunately that means we all got to put up with the stink of his posts though.
“In the Blueprint, Tyler claims that you can jump off a ten story building and all that will happen is you’ll hurt your ankles. He says Ciaran did it. Tyler asks the crowd if they think gravity gets any faster as you go down. Someone in the audience says yes, you do speed up. Tyler asks why he thinks that. It turns out he’s a physics teacher. Tyler then
says that since you reach terminal velocity after a certain distance, you can jump off a ten story building and be fine. I looked up terminal velocity; it’s around 120 mph and will, in fact, kill you if there’s nothing to buffer your fall.
Then he asks if anyone’s eaten their own shit. How they know it’s bad for them. Dogs eat their own shit, after all. Well, the truth—which he doesn’t mention—is that eating your shit will make you sick.
RSD could probably be sued for this.”
You’re a fucking dumbass. Way to miss the point of that whole part, dumbass. Even after Tyler revealed the whole point of that..
And the TBD assumes that you have common sense.
“If Ciaran jumped out a ten story window because Tyler said that then I wish he’d said twenty story and made it count.
If Ciaran’s chowing down on his own shit now then that’d maybe explain why he writes it too – gotta find a way out the system somehow. Unfortunately that means we all got to put up with the stink of his posts though.”
Did you even watch the whole thing, dumbass? I can’t believe how much shit just flew over your head.
I can’t believe your point just flew over your own head.
So lame post…
I’ve gathered some much knowledge in my mind, from Style, Mystery, R. jeffries and sum up it in a fresh content.
WHat’s the problem with that ?
I admit : I haven’t invent the fire or the wheel.
But i’m still number one.
And this year will prove it, just wait and see.
Tyler Durden
(c)RSD 2008
Gay PUAs?
Sorry to hi-jack this thread but I’ve just read there is such a thing as Gay PUAs? Is this for real?
http://www.growyourgame.com/story/Time_to_recognise_there_are_Gay_PUAs
what the fuck happened to this thread.
fellas the blueprint is worth checking out. i don’t advertise that rsd is the end all be all and i do think that the community is a whole lotta bs. (pickup artist 2 IS NOW CASTING)
but BP did make for an interesting couple of days. if you hate TD then it doesnt matter what anybody tells you. if your open to different paths check it out.
i felt it was a good product and out of 20 hours i could only find a handful of topics that sound outrageous to me.
so if thats is helpful glad to be of service.
PS why the hell would gay dudes need to be pickup artists, all they do is fuck everywhere they go! tell me how would our sex lifes be if women looked at sex the way guys do.
haters ….get out and sarge
players….Keep it P.I.
Big Goose is outta here
This “community” used to be about getting laid.
Not dating, not “being a man”, the ways of the alpha male, not on self esteem, not zen, not sales, not spirituality or motivation.
GETTING LAID. Keep it simple.
The fact is getting really beautiful females to have no strings sex with fat dorks, old men, poor guys, and ugly guys is a very tall order.
So as the money hungry gurus have realized they really couldn’t deliver on their promises they have stolen from each other endlessly.And charged outrageous prices for crappy dvds, books and seminars.
And they have changed the definition of the purpose of the community. Its not about getting laid, its about becoming a man, having inner game, having inner peace, being a natural, blah, blah blah. New Age Platitudes are easier to sell than putting real world pussy in your bed.
RSD is crap. But so are most of the others as well.
Here is my solution.
Refuse to pay more than 49.95 for any dvd or cd set, ebook. Refuse to pay more than 199.00 for any seminar.
Let the market for overpriced crap that doesnt work dry up once and for all.
If these assholes continue to try to rob the community, then of course, file sharing will put them in their place.
Personally I see the “community” flying in a nose dive into utter stagnation.
Ok Gurus if you really knew a way for average guys to get hot females to have sex with them, Now is the time to share that knowledge.
AL Lassale
“New Age Platitudes are easier to sell than putting real world pussy in your bed.”
Greeeeeeat line.
You summed it all up perfectly.
Refuse to pay 20 year olds this kind of money.
There are people killing themselves getting phd’s to save your life one day for half the dough these hooligans charge. Let’s put things in SEVERE perspective here.
I actually agree with this. You wouldn’t pay $500 for a boxset of the latest Hollywood blockbusters or any DVDs for that matter. Last time I checked, books were going real cheap on Amazon.
You have to be a real goddamn desperate needy idiot to pay so much money for this stuff. For the money you pay for these dating dvds, you could get yourself a stylish haircut, some real good clothes, a gym membership and have a night in a club around girls, if this all fails, you’ll probably still have enough left over to buy yourself a decent whore and/or an endless stream of pornography. And as an added bonus, you’ll come out with more of your self-respect left in tact
you are a sad sad man
couldnt agree more with the cost of this shit. who really on this forum paid for any of these products….
not me
Hey listen guys,
I started looking into this stuff about 2.5 years ago. Started with David D, went to Style and Mystery, and then to RSD. Checked out all the other guys in between — people like Carlos Xuma, mack tactics, Juggler — everyone.
No one’s advice can get you laid, only YOU can get you laid. A lot of the advice is just trying to teach you how to not be boring so you can carry on a conversation — and teaching you to be confident despite any percieved limitations that you may have.
That’s all this stuff is guys. You can pick up a free book on the internet on women and you can read it and get about 80 percent of what this is about — and it all comes down to simple things, being confident with yourself, carrying on a conversation, taking that conversation in the right direction.
There IS no magic bullet. These guys are just trying to change your attitude. They can charge the prices they do because they market magic bullet solutions for guys who don’t have any success with women. Most guys will pay anything for that. They rely on bringing in new people and hooking guys already in on someday reaching some sort of magic bullet status.
There is no magic bullet status.
The truth of the matter is that the guys you see that are really good with women, it’s not because of strategies or lines that they study. It’s not because they go out to bars and approach 25 woman cold.
It’s because of a carefree light fun attitude that they have with no outcome in mind besides being who they want to be and having the confidence to be that.
Even more so some of these guys just have the stereotypical look women are going for. You can develope that in yourself if you give time to it.
Finally these guys usually are guys in certain situations. Situations are huge. The situations you put yourself in, in life will dictate your success with women. No it’s not about money or having to be over 6 feet tall with a sexy face — but it is a lot about situations. The bartender that knows everyone at the club who can dance really well. The manager who manages 20 college girls who has a good rep out there among a couple of the girls, and who has a sweet pad back at home with a big tv and highdef and a mirror on his ceiling.
The drug dealer who has a group of girls who need him to get high.
The guy who is in the band that plays every thursday night at that hotspot.
The guy in the group who just happens to be the alpha male because he is the only one who has a car yet, and actually has a place of his own while the girls he meets that take interest in him — still live with their parents.
The cool bachelor pad that he moved into with guys who know people and have connections, and throw parties every weekend.
The not so good looking guy who is dating a hot girl because she just likes how he makes her feel and is sick of jerks — who then breaks up with his girlfriend for cheating on him or disrespecting him and now is rolling into the same club he and his hot girl did countless times before…
The dude with the snack shack job in college who can be seen behind the counter with the girls that work there bantering with him.
It’s all about social power.
A lot of us have been in situations in our lives that are favorable. A lot of us have gone through spells where the women are coming out of the woodwork.
Fact is — if your sitting in a messy room right now, typing on your keyboard, with no situation other than the possibility that you might go out to a bar or club to talk to some girls if you have the balls to — your not going to get anywhere fast. You can work on self development, you can learn lines, or compare advice all you want. you wont get anywhere.
If you are not putting yourself in good situations, and you don’t have the right attitude — your not going to be fucking a ton of women.
Now if you arn’t in a good situation and you don’t have the right attitude — it’s no the end of the world. If you can at least have the attitude that you will go out there, be cool with people, make some friends and view this as a numbers game and realize that you don’t have the rockstar situation or image but that you are going to accept what you do have and let the chips fall where they may, and go for shit — well eventually you will get laid. Then you can see where that goes, or you can go out there and keep at it until you get laid again. It’s just a numbers game, that’s all.
-Mack wild.
RSD attracts the brand of chode who prefers ‘epiphanies’ rather than actually going out and meeting people. Tyler himself seems aware of it from what he says in BP. In terms of New Age platitudes though the worst offending fuck is England’s own Harlequin who’s never written one word of practical advice in all his rambling horse shit. Bit like Ciaran except with even more self-indulgent and less substance – if you can imagine that.
Yeah I mean you guys can keep bitching about the quality of watered down “I want a piece of this” shit that circulates around now a days if you want. Basically it comes down to a few different approaches:
1) You treat girls like anyone else and let them earn your interest.
2) You run around making it known you enjoy having sex with girls.
Everything else is guys looking to make money off all the dudes who procrastinate and are confused.
Stop paying for seminars.
Stop buying ebooks, cds, dvds.
Its time for the community to lock the gurus out. Lets help each other. Lets work thru whatever is blocking each of us from getting what we want from women. We actually can help each other. Lets form wing parties and go out in groups until we can solo. No charge. Free.
No one should have to pay anyone to teach them how to walk up to a girl and say hello.
We can do this for ourselves. We can learn to pu and seduce as well.
Its time to stop pissing on each other and
act like brothers. This is simple and we do it.
I came back and there are like 100 new posts in this thread. Some of you motherfuckers must live on here to read through em all to coherently reply. I ain’t gonna read it all.
Anyhow I noticed some debate on pick up methods.
There can be no debate, when you understand the psychology of how to put yourself in the place in her mind you want to be in, basically pigeon-holed as a lover, the game is fuckin over.
You simply can pick up women and get laid regular.
There is a reason guys like tyler, and jliax and other lesser known guys, as soon as they understood Gunwitch Method (didnt skim it and think it was cavemanning), basically became guru level talented overnight.
I don’t run the site, cduce does, but http://www.gunwitch.com has all the basics you need to learn this for free, and it’ll take ya half the time to read that this thread will.
Gunwitch
Ross Jeffries & Mystery Method are going to be on Dr. Phil’s show this Friday.
I heard RJ owned the show, and shows the trash that MM is.
http://www.drphil.com/shows/
Actually Tired that’s how this whole thing came about, and how the guru’s came about. The community USE to be like that. Now it’s all about making money and exposing it — because once people realize there is no magic bullet they want to get SOMETHING out of it.
As for gun — he is actually one of the more realistic guys — his stuff is simple and practical and will get you laid every once in a while. It won’t make you the cool guy in society, in fact often you will have to get used to being the creepy guy — but if you want to get laid once in a while without mental masturbation I would check out his stuff.
“There is a reason guys like tyler, and jliax and other lesser known guys, as soon as they understood Gunwitch Method (didnt skim it and think it was cavemanning), basically became guru level talented overnight.’
yeah they basically copied your method for clubs
I love how much exposure Ciaran is getting from here. Any kind of exposure is still exposure – even if some creepy guy has hidden attractiveness for Ciaran.
Thanks guy!
The crackpot Ciaran’s at it again on RSD. In the latest push to get us to part with our $$$ we’re been extolled to pay for the privilege of hearing Tim wax lyrical on how the Blue Print can be applied in field. If you don’t have $2000 (or whatever they’re charging) you don’t have it, right? I mean you just shelled out $600 on BP after all as the ‘missing piece’ and the product that would render all game redundant. Till you discover you need the ‘Tim Upgrade’ to make it work (at twice the price).
So everyone who’s ever visited planet Earth or wants to at least pretend they’re human will concede that putting yourself in debt for this shit isn’t such a good idea. Unless you’re Ciaran who’s neither a) human or b) visted Earth. He thinks that considerations such as eating and keeping a roof over your head are as but nought to getting your ‘game tight’. Real sense of perspective that dude’s got. So he’s letting it be known how you’re selling yourself short and really doing yourself more harm not to give RSD your last buck. I’m sure he thinks he’s doing it in a clever way too but one look at his hilarious blog’s comments section would suggest his retarded sales tactics are probably aimed about right. Anyone who’d describe his blog posts as ‘awesome’ or ‘profound’ is so dumb they’d believe any old shit.
That guy is wound tight. Sooner RSD jettisons him the better. Except for the people in his town who’ll probably be subject to his ‘pain body’ aka gun rampage.
The crackpot Ciaran’s at it again on RSD. “In the latest push to get us to part with our $$$ we’re been extolled to pay for the privilege of hearing Tim wax lyrical on how the Blue Print can be applied in field. If you don’t have $2000 (or whatever they’re charging) you don’t have it, right? I mean you just shelled out $600 on BP after all as the ‘missing piece’ and the product that would render all game redundant. Till you discover you”
Much hasn’t chnaged ss came out with it’s poorly recorded basic home masterbation course
“love how much exposure Ciaran is getting from here. Any kind of exposure is still exposure – even if some creepy guy has hidden attractiveness for Ciaran.
Thanks guy!”
Looks like the RSD interns are ON THE MARCH!
Please shut the fuck up about Ciaran. He’s a fucktard and the less said about him till he disappears the better.
Boys Boys
Stop fighting and come over to my place. I ‘ve got a big bowl of my special sauce which I made in my very own bathroom, we can double dip together and then lay on my waterbed and listen to Enya and Dido while looking at pictures of tyler nad jeffy shirtless and then gobble out male energy.>.!!
“The crackpot Ciaran’s at it again on RSD. In the latest push to get us to part with our $$$ we’re been extolled to pay for the privilege of hearing Tim wax lyrical on how the Blue Print can be applied in field. If you don’t have $2000 (or whatever they’re charging) you don’t have it, right? I mean you just shelled out $600 on BP after all as the ‘missing piece’ and the product that would render all game redundant. Till you discover you need the ‘Tim Upgrade’ to make it work (at twice the price).
So everyone who’s ever visited planet Earth or wants to at least pretend they’re human will concede that putting yourself in debt for this shit isn’t such a good idea. Unless you’re Ciaran who’s neither a) human or b) visted Earth. He thinks that considerations such as eating and keeping a roof over your head are as but nought to getting your ‘game tight’. Real sense of perspective that dude’s got. So he’s letting it be known how you’re selling yourself short and really doing yourself more harm not to give RSD your last buck. I’m sure he thinks he’s doing it in a clever way too but one look at his hilarious blog’s comments section would suggest his retarded sales tactics are probably aimed about right. Anyone who’d describe his blog posts as ‘awesome’ or ‘profound’ is so dumb they’d believe any old shit.
That guy is wound tight. Sooner RSD jettisons him the better. Except for the people in his town who’ll probably be subject to his ‘pain body’ aka gun rampage.”
That was nothing more than an RSD masturbation post. ROFL. Publicity is still publicity. Let’s talk more RSD!
Yeah, let’s talk about the shitty production quality on BP that supposedly cost over a quarter million dollars. Or how Tyler doesn’t have one fucking original idea in the whole 4 days that he could honestly call his own.
I have had time to digest the BP and while it is a very intelligent breakdown of many things that go on — for guys that have been at it for a while and have run into some inner game sticking problems — and Tyler indeed ties things together very well — I am just going to say this:
This is a program where you can listen to an entire cd and really only get 2 or 3 sentences out of it. A lot of it is just Tyler rambling about things he has noticed, or have we noticed things — talking about things you DONT want to be doing, things you DONT want to be focusing on — and then finally coming to a couple conclusions or epiphanies as the result of his ramble.
So I can see why they say Tims product is needed to actually have something to apply, given the conclusion of the blueprint. Remember that the blueprint was marketed as deep inner change — and as a road map — I think it does kind of come through on that — although I would call it more deep inner awareness. It helps you to understand the things that go on, mostly things that dont help you — and then offers some vague or simple solutions.
Tims product is going to probably be more on the solution side of things, and while it wont be much on outer game, it will be on mindsets.
Did RSD set this all up to be this way? Maybe. It’s a business, and I think this thread has made it very clear it is a business that is all about the money, with concepts that promote them in a positive light. A very thorough business plan for sure — make no mistake — these guys are not interested in helping you, they are interested in making money. Does that mean that what they teach is all snake-oil? No it doesnt. You have to make your own decision on how much you want to invest or how seriously you want to take them though.
Their company is indeed very orientated towards the KJ, mindfuck student who can sit endlessly in front of his computer, go out here and there and do the cyclone opener to feel like a champion — and then sit down for the next month to take in new epiphanies because he feels he is accomplishing something internally. Maybe he is ….
“Yeah, let’s talk about the shitty production quality on BP that supposedly cost over a quarter million dollars. Or how Tyler doesn’t have one fucking original idea in the whole 4 days that he could honestly call his own.”
The same applies to 99% of the seduction community. LOL.
@ Mack Wild
Great Post. This is exactly how it is.
100 % agree.
It shorter: Another sound product but not nearly as good as its marketing was.
“A revolution…” lmao lmao lmao
Have you provided ANY value to the guys in the community, most of whom come from a similar place with similar problems?
If you haven’t, then get to it and stop wasting your time criticizing someone who has taken the time to help people.
You have probably offered nothing and criticize a group that has given a great deal. Yeah, people have jobs, make money and things aren’t free.
Mack wild you just totally nailed it down!!
Just close.
So many talk trash about RSD, and yet they can’t provide an answer to whom is better than them.
Mystery? Joke. DeAngelo? Yeah, talk about someone who takes more material from other sources than Tyler. Juggler? Laugh, it’s nothing new. Thundercat? LOLOLL. RJ? Yeah, let’s be dancing monkey – hide behind a shield.
You can’t name anyone better.
I’m glad to see that Manwhore and Pimpski are now part of RSD.
Pimpski grew a goatie and turned into even more of a dick. What a transformation.
Not one of the “Big Stars of PU” is worthy to lead the movement.
RJ is a paranoid, self centered cry baby who still doesnt know that the party ended for him years ago.
Some of his very early stuff actually works if you have some NLP under your belt. But RJ is impossible to deal with. He would lead a cult if he wasnt so creepy.
Mystery is a psychotic man-child.
By media overexposure his once potent system is pretty much passse. At least the external aspects that make his students now highly visible targets.
Style is parasite and hustler. 4000 bucks for a set of poorly done DVDs!!! If Style had an ounce of caring about the community he have issued a refund for that pathetic set. Go back to hustling faded rock stars, Neil.
Tyler and Papa are lying sociopaths.
They lie, cheat and steal from every other teacher out there. Then proceed to lie, cheat and steal from their students.
Don’t believe me? Take one of their seminars. Those who give glowing testimonials about RSD are either hired guns or the truly novice who dont have a clue about real PU.
David De Angelo is just an over-hyped marketer, not a leader. He along with Carlos Xuma are two of the dullest human beings on the planet. Their highly overpriced “pap alpha male BS” teachings will help you if you have insomnia.
The rest of the gurus arent worth mentioning. They either offer partial solutions to seduction / PU, or they are merely putting a new spin to someone else’s material.
However the real question is; Does any of this stuff work?
The answer is “sort of”. If you study and apply the basic teaching of each of the mentioned you will improve your score rate.
You will get laid more often than if you stayed with your AFC tactics.
However, you really got to ignore the hype these jokers put out about having sex with models, centerfold women, porno stars etc.
The player who claims he nails only 10s is lying. The guru who claims he teaches dorks and losers to score with supermodels is playing on the desperation that is rampant in low status males.
Their promises cant come true because the gurus himself can’t manifest high level seductions themselves.
For the record Mystery and De Angelo is the only players who pulled really beautiful women. Mystery’s were insane losers, but beautiful. One of his ex’s is doing time for theft.
De Angelo
is a millionaire who lives in a mansion with another millionaire and drives a sports car.
Gosh do you think his lifestyle helps a bit?
Same with Style. So how much is actually game versus being rich?
I’ve never seen RJ, Tyler, PAPA, Gunwitch,
or any of the others with really beautiful women. In fact has anyone ever seen Tyler with a woman?
When I got into this movement in the early 90s there were average guys who had a sense of adventure and were willing to try anything. Many started with speed seduction and seeing its short comings added or created different modalities to their game.
These guys were having the sexual adventures we all should be having. Sure they got knocked down more than they scored but they also had nailed some very hot women.
They had no gurus to lean on and they did it for themselves.
Its time to go back to the good old days.
Al
Re-read al’s negative thread to see what type of an attitude is the kind of attitude that see’s a guy who started to practice this stuff well over a decade ago — and is still bitter enough to post the post that he just posted.
Look like I have said many times, there is no magic bullet but a post like his does give evidence to the fact that RSD’s movement towards trying to teach a better attitude — is needed. Sociopaths or not — I think we can all agree we dont want to end up like Al, a dabbler with nothing to spew but negativity towards everyone.
I was over project hollywood a lot of the time, and I still talk to Style. Style says he never saw Tyler get a girl. In fact no one has even SEEN the girlfriend he is suppose to have. Rumor is that she is just an average girl even if she exists. To me it’s ironic if he is this big pickup superstar that he would be in a 3 year relationship with a normal girl.
I think you guys really put these guys up on a pedestool. You can learn much more from a natural with woman than you can from these guys. These guys are in the same hole your in, and digging the hole deeper when they shoot off at the mouth about things. That’s why Neil sticks with the advice given to him from a guy he KNOWS pulls a lot of hot girls.
“I was over project hollywood a lot of the time, and I still talk to Style. Style says he never saw Tyler get a girl. In fact no one has even SEEN the girlfriend he is suppose to have. Rumor is that she is just an average girl even if she exists. To me it’s ironic if he is this big pickup superstar that he would be in a 3 year relationship with a normal girl.
I think you guys really put these guys up on a pedestool. You can learn much more from a natural with woman than you can from these guys. These guys are in the same hole your in, and digging the hole deeper when they shoot off at the mouth about things. That’s why Neil sticks with the advice given to him from a guy he KNOWS pulls a lot of hot girls.”
Let’s see: 1) You can see HER on the Transformations page. 2) She takes part in teaching bootcamps. 3) And there’s something wrong with ‘normal’? Have you even met her? So how the hell do you come to the conclusion that she’s ‘normal’? Oh right, we’ve discussed that in the BPD…
As for Strauss. LOL! People talk about RSD being a cult… WOW, they can’t even see the world of Strauss’s.
Neil, is by no means a natural. He is not worth defending. He’s an ‘advanced supplicating’ chode.
Who got more ass than Tyler ever will and could buy and sell him. But Tyler has a shinier nimbus and is more ‘authentic’ which is what it’s all about. Not getting hot chicks in your bed.
Dr Phillip is right. This community is not about having sex with hotter woman. Not at all. NONE of you are here because you wanted to improve your success with woman. Lets stop fooling ourselves. You found this community because you wanted to become spiritually enlightened.
You wanted to strive for perfection in your life in every way and when you reach perfection in one way — you want to have an epiphany that shows you that the perfection actually isnt always perfect because there is another way of thinking about it and so maybe you are wrong and must master the opposite way.
I mean seriously I don’t have a clue what some of you guys are talking about. Who actually comes here to learn from guys who get over average women??? I mean shit it’s not like these guys that you see with hot girls matter. I mean who gives a shit about hot girls? what is so great about hot girls? Shit normal girls is where it is at, you know, the girl next door. That’s why we come to learn this stuff. To get the girl next door, so we learn how to cocky funny and neg her, you know … cause she is normal and we want to make sure that she feels totally insecure and defensive towards us because then we can search for epiphanies and become better people after we piss a bunch of normal bitches off.
I mean seriously. Any of you stupid fucks who actually THINK that you are here to have more success with women in any fashion, you guys are shallow, and it is all about thinking and breaking things down in 100 different ways. Like why it is that sometimes your brain might not feel as confident sometimes and all the reasons for it. You want to get laid? Fuck getting laid. Rsd usually doesnt get laid, why do you need to? What you need to do is to learn how to master living in the moment, after you run the red lobster skit .. and develope an advanced epiphany article on why reacting to anything anyone does is not manly but chodely. You need to break down the definition of chode and come up with dorky mannurisms and words, that way you can cover up any gains you make in becoming a man and thus need to seek out further epiphanies.
So please. Stop thinking this is about girls. All those guys who teach you how to act to get girls? They arn’t being authentic. They are nothing more than advanced supplicators. The hot girls can tell that but they are just shallow bitches looking for sex. Your better than that. You dont need sex. Tie yourself to a bus and do a strike on sex. TYLER SAID TO DO IT!!!!!!!!! FUCK HOT CHICKS!!! FUCK SEX!!!! RSD NEEDS MORE FUCKIN MONEY MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO .. holla.
Tyler is a complete joke, in a lake this guy is the bottom dweller. Tyler a natural? Far from it. This guy is a sociopath, he is only evidence of the type of bizarre people you will meet by surfing the net. He is the type of person who would never make anything of himself without the net. When he moves on to other things where he will have to attract intelligent people with common sense to his work, he will fall flat on his face. He’s a joke.
Thundercat, you are a fucking retarded looser. Tyler is a genius, I learned a lot from them. They steal? Even if they do take ideas from someone else SO WHAT? Other people are shit marketers and don’t know how to teach it. Style is an asshole, he took the most money out of people for nothing, he made a really good marketing and the only one who is responsible for the community going mainstream are Mystery (who is a CLOWN) and Style (THE ONLY GUYS WHO ARE REALLY JUST THERE FOR THE MONEY), sick idiots. RSD are smart, capable, motivating and helpful. And yes, good question. WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? WHO THE FUCK are YOU to talk shit about someone who is 1000000 times better than you are? LOOK AT YOURSELF YOU IDIOT! What the fuck are you doing in your life? Tyler is having a great life, he is traveling all the time, learning, enjoying life, he is doing something good for this world, and you, WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? … stupid, fat retard… you and Style, and Mystery the clown… THOSE IDIOTS from MM and VA are STILL DOING ROUTINE BULLSHIT A2 B8 Z5 C7… stupid mutherfuckers… fuck off, leave RSD alone, and go fuck yourself
‘Thundercat, you are a fucking retarded looser. Tyler is a genius, I learned a lot from them. They steal? Even if they do take ideas from someone else SO WHAT? Other people are shit marketers and don’t know how to teach it. Style is an asshole, he took the most money out of people for nothing, he made a really good marketing and the only one who is responsible for the community going mainstream are Mystery …..BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH …”
AH pimp, you are so cute when you get Reactive…..
WTF?
C-R-E-E-P-Y
yeah he is having fun alright..traveling the world…what else is he “traveling”
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RSD Interns….time for some damage control
“Tyler is a complete joke, in a lake this guy is the bottom dweller. Tyler a natural? Far from it. This guy is a sociopath, he is only evidence of the type of bizarre people you will meet by surfing the net. He is the type of person who would never make anything of himself without the net. When he moves on to other things where he will have to attract intelligent people with common sense to his work, he will fall flat on his face. He’s a joke.”
If he (and the rest of RSD) can get girls attracted just by his/their personality alone (no routines, gimmicks, magic (LOL), nlp (ROFL), etc), that makes him a natural. You can’t deny that.
And as for having watched the Dr.Phil episode, both MM and RJ freakin’ blew. I’m so disappointed. Had Tyler been on that show, he would made the best impression. That’s why RSD is the only crew capable of leading this industry.
http://www.rsdnation.com/showthread.php?t=20158&page=2
“And as for having watched the Dr.Phil episode, both MM and RJ freakin’ blew. I’m so disappointed. Had Tyler been on that show, he would made the best impression. That’s why RSD is the only crew capable of leading this industry”
I watched that Dr phil episode. Ross Jeffries made the entire community look terrible, that guy is the true sociopath around here.
Anyways…
I think you have a good point about the fact that RSD is teaching the most healthy type of mindsets out there. I think the problems people have mostly have to do with 1 of several things:
1) The actual sources of material he teaches are readily availuable for a lot less money and are the sources, not secondhand knowledge passed down at a higher price from someone who has a lot of faulty mindsets still.
2) Tyler tends to overanalyze and overcomplicate things. He also tends to talk a lot about what you don’t want to do and make fun of OTHER THINGS, ((much like a toned down version of how RJ acted on Dr Phil)) leaving you with a good message and a general direction — but really no clue how to pick up a woman besides winging it — which if you could do you probably wouldn’t be looking for help in the first place.
3) He also tends to contradict himself, even within the same material, sometimes even in the same sentence. In the blueprint he even openly admits several times that the stuff he talks about doesn’t really even amount to much of anything, because there are always other points that are just as true that may contradict it. In fact several times students would bring up important factors or points he wasn’t considering when he would go on one of his epiphany spiels — and he would admit that they are right — if they want to think of it that way. This is why several times I have called Tyler and RSD for “mindfucking”.
I think this is the thing that drives so many people over the edge. It’s not that he uses other material and teaches it, because a pickup themed frame is valuable. It’s his style in general. To a lot of people they support Tyler for that style, because the way he explain things make them FEEL as if they understand it more, and they have a newfound confidence hit, that now that they feel they understand it more — that they will get better results. Its kinda like the confidence hit you get from a new pair of shoes. You feel you understand something but just as the same reason MM gets teased for being too linear — that type of thinking — where you think if you understand something in a certain way better, that it will lead to better results — that’s flawed thinking. Just because you understand a concept as Tyler see’s it (as someone else see’s it) a little bit better does NOT mean you will get better results. All it means is you are less open minded and adaptable to deal with what actually HAPPENS when you talk to girls or go out. Someone can go on all day about why they think x is true, and someone else can introduce a new y and change the whole thing. Think of Tyler and his crew as algebra class to pickup. They are selling things by defining x y and z and then redefining x y and z as something else.
This makes some people feel secure, and it makes others feel a little sick, especially when you factor in their business practices. If you spend a prolong amount of time on their website, you get reminded of the type of people your dealing with. People who try to walk the walk, but who don’t, and often resort to not much better rheteric than the rheteric we just saw spewed by “PIMP”.
People lash hard words at the MM crew but they are teaching you what to do to have success, in a way that if your independant enough — that you can make your own. You can’t say that about RSD. RSD like them are not — are much more cultlike. It’s not about making something your own really, even though it seems like it is. It’s about thinking and acting like Tyler says, even when he doesnt always act that way, and even if it doesnt necessarily lead you to your goals in the long-run. In fact often the goals it leads you to, are Tylers goals — not necessarily yours — and then you have to ask yourself “well what are tylers goals” — and when you finally figure out the answer for yourself, then you can understand why a lot of people spew hate towards RSD.
Im not saying I hate RSD, just trying to imform the public. I am nuetral towards RSD at this point. Their teachings have helped my self awareness, and have given me a better understanding of what this is really about at a core level. I take their viewpoints with an open mind, but I do stuff that works for me and my circumstances and view them as just another source of input, definately not as gods to be worshipped. I agree with phillip though, they would have made a better impression on the show, though I felt MM did a fine job. It was RJ that ruined that show.
I don’t understand why some people are so mad at Neil. He gives you a practical and tangable road map that has gotten him real and tangeable results in the field. So what if he charged a lot of money for it? It’s readily availuable at a very good price these days. It’s nothing groundbreaking but it doesn’t need to be. It takes proven and tangeable things and breaks those things down in detail at every step in a way that is congruent and that flows together, along with troubleshooting.
He charged a lot of money because it is aimed at people who have that money to burn who don’t have the time to search for it everywhere and try to piece it together.
I thought it was very comprehensive and usable, which is more than I can say for some of his competitors who seem only interested in name and brand recognition at this point in order to produce future profits. Neil just made his profits in tangeable no nonsense ways that leave neither him nor his students at a loss of direction.
Oh and I forgot to mention that unlike his competitors, Neils proactive way of ensuring future profits was the very creative and distinctive idea of delivering a schooling online university that customizes to the student in order to help him to overcome real sticking points and real problems for him that he experiences in real life. I don’t think Neil deserves to be treated as a man who is not interested in helping people. His actions have proven he is looking to give his students tangeable results in a consistant way, that have proven successful for him.
His idea’s do not change to suit his profit margin, only his idea’s and delivery on how to give a student the most comprehensive and real way to get real results.