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Breaking News: Real Social Dynamics Still Sucks Ass

February 19, 2008 by  
Filed under Rants & Reviews

Tyler
So the other night, I’m minding my own business when I get an Instant Message from Donovan over at the Seduction Chronicles.  He asks me to check out this post where someone other than me finally takes RSD to task.

Now, I know I get a lot of flack for ragging on the Real Social Dickweeds over there in the magical world of PUA-land where Tyler and his minions continue to drink the cool-aid about how they rule and everyone else sucks, so I was happy to see that I’m not the only one being vocal about it anymore.

(Just to be fair, nearly every major PUA I know talks shit about Tyler and crew, but they don’t do it publicly.  That distinct pleasure seems to be reserved for yours truly.)

So my first reaction to this post was – it went too easy on these guys.

Now, most of what I’m going to write here is directed primarily at Tyler and Papa, since they pretty much are RSD.  All the other guys – Jlaix, Christophe, and anyone else I don’t know, I have no real problem with.  They are just the most recent brainwashed minions to fall under the Tyler spell.  So this in no way is meant as a criticism of them.

Getting back to it – the purpose of Donovan’s post was to talk about the mythical "Blueprint" which is now 4 years in the making.  It’s basically a critique of Tyler’s teachings, and that reflects as to why the Blueprint is never coming out.

Now, RSD just released "The Blueprint Exposed," or whatever the heck their next lame product is.  But make no mistake about it – it’s just the same old recycled Tyler crap you’ve always gotten from him.

The biggest complaints I hear directed towards my criticisms of the RSD boys and their teachings is that I’m "jealous" or "petty" because they "won’t hang out with me" or that we had some type of falling out because Tyler didn’t want to write articles for me any more.

Make no mistake about it – that’s not true.  I used to consider these guys friends, and I kept quiet about my concerns with Tyler and crew for a long time after that relationship deteriorated (this happened around the time the boys were all ganging up against Mystery in Project Hollywood).

The thing that made me go public with my criticism of RSD was the deluge I got from people who took their workshops and felt they got scammed.  Before long, I was getting too many of these emails and bad reviews to ignore.

Then came the evidence that RSD was putting inexperienced instructors into the field to teach paying customers stuff they could not even do themselves.

Finally, there was the "Deep Throat" who sent me private messages from RSD’s instructor’s message board specifically outlining how they planned to trick workshop students into thinking they improved in their workshops when really it was just a trick for inexperienced instructors to make the poor student feel good without having to actually deliver results (and therefor not deliver a refund).

All that combined, I felt the need to speak out, because my personal experiences with these guys has never been anything but bad.  Papa is a sociopathic liar, and so is Tyler – Tyler is just more charismatic and better at hiding it than Papa is.  And neither of them really care about anyone other than themselves – so you can add a healthy dash of narcissism in there for good measure.

Now, I know what you’re thinking:  "Thundercat, what does this have to do with pickup?  Why are you hating?  Negativity sucks.  Blah, blah, blah."

Well, this actually has a LOT to do with pick up, since these are guys that students look up to and follow.  These are also guys who have the power to REALLY mess people up.

The reason I’m writing about this is really because the focus on Donovan’s post was about the teachings of RSD.  Well, let me say this right now:

THE TEACHINGS WORK.

That is how they are able to stay in business.  If you follow the
instructions that these guys lay out for you, chances are you will get
results
.

Now, you may feel shocked that I say this, but it’s true.  The
teachings are good!  However, the reason they are good is because – THEY DID NOT COME UP WITH THEM.

Tyler is what you get when you breed a leech with a sponge.  No one
freakin’ cared who Tyler was until he started hanging out with
Mystery.  Then, all of a sudden, Tyler starts posting about his "super
uber crazy skillz" on mASF – which is all stuff he learned from
Mystery, but Mystery never bothered to post publicly about, and he starts getting props.

Then, Tyler starts learning Speed Seduction.  Now he’s down with
manipulation and mind control in addition to routines and peacocking.  Okay, cool.

After that, he starts teaching his own workshops and gets the whole
"hero worship" thing going.  (Another thing he got from Mystery)

Then, he moves into Project Hollywood and studies Neil Stauss’ every
move.  And for those of you who pay attention, this is when RSD was in
their hey-day.

He then starts taking things from gifted co-horts of his, Like
PlayboyLA, Sickboy, and Twenty-Six, and passing them off as his own.

Keep in mind, this is all taking place in the 2004-2005 time frame.

Why is this relevant?

Simple – because THIS is the time when Tyler announces he is writing THE BLUEPRINT.  The supposed end-all-be-all of pick up.

And then something incredible happens…


EVERYONE DITCHES TYLER!!!

Mystery excommunicates him.  Ross refuses to hang with him.  Style
thinks he’s a prick and a phony.  Even the people who were closest to
him – Playboy, Sickboy, and Twenty-Six – all see he’s a sociopath and
move as far away from him as they can get.

People stop posting their ideas on Mystery’s Lounge because Tyler keeps ripping them off and passing them off as his own.

Then, the cracks in their organization begin to surface, the bad reviews start to come out, and what do they do?

THEY CUT THEMSELVES OFF!

They stop participating in the community.  They stop posting on mASF.
They only do stuff on their website, their blog, and their newsletters
because that’s the only way they can manipulate what gets out about
them.

But something else happened when they retreated into RSD-land…

TYLER RAN OUT OF PEOPLE TO STEAL FROM.

Notice how little innovation has come from TD since the actual,
TALENTED gurus, such as Mystery, Style, and Playboy, stopped hanging
out with him?

Trust me:  This is not a coincidence.

Tyler has always been very good at co-opting other people’s ideas and
making them seem like his own brilliance.  But Tyler is just a
charismatic snake-oil salesman.  He is repackaging stuff that better
PUAs teach, and passing it off as his own.

Even newer products like "Transformations" is a rip off of the
behavioral stuff Dr. Paul has been pioneering.  And don’t think a lot
of TD’s latest offerings haven’t been poor-man versions of stuff Brad P
came up with.

Like I said – their teachings work – but not because of them.  In fact, it is DESPITE them that they work!

All RSD is, is an organization designed to do 2 things…

1.  Make money
2.  Inspire mindless loyalty in their students.

Oddly enough – this business model is even ripped off from Ross
Jeffries, who, for once, is actually RIGHT when he says someone stole
something from him!

These guys DO NOT CARE about students.  Their goal – with their
products AND their workshops – is to fool students into feeling good
enough that they won’t ask for their money back, without having to
deliver any actual results.

And this is the reason why the actual Blueprint will never be released
- because Tyler has run out of the best people to steal from, so he has
a hard time writing this stuff down because he can’t analyze and break
down what better PUAs are doing before they popularize their techniques
first.

All you’re going to see from Tyler and crew from here on out is the following:

1.  Products based on seminars where they give away 0% content but make you feel really good for watching it.

2.  Workshops designed to excite people without evoking any real change or results.

3.  Fun videos that display Tyler’s charismatic personality to make you
like him, without ever really showing you how freakin’ sociopathic he
is.

4.  Long, rambling posts and field reports that are either completely made up, or completely ripped off from someone else.

Trust me – if it wasn’t for the fact that they somehow weaseled their
way into almost all of David D’s products, these guys would have been
out of business long ago, because they aren’t innovators.  They are not
originators.  They are rip-off artists and fakes.  (Again, this is
aimed at Tyler and Papa, not others in the RSD crew.  They may be just
as bad as Tyler, but history shows that the people TD and Papa surround
themselves with are actually much more talented than they are.)

So before people go off half-cocked and tell me I’m a loser who’s just
spouting negativity for no good reason, I think you guys have to look
long and hard at how these guys and their past actions have played out.

1.  They’ve stopped innovation because all the innovators have stopped hanging out with them.
2.  Everyone who used to like them now hates them and wants nothing to do with them.
3.  They have a business model based around self-gain and deception.
4.  They isolate themselves because they have a narcissistic need to manipulate and control all information about them (something the Nazi government was very good at, as well).
5.  They threaten to sue anyone who actually dares to speak ill of them and expose the truth.

If there is anyone out there reading this who has signed up for an RSD
product or workshop, or is thinking about it – trust me, you would be
better off with almost ANY other seduction course or guru out there,
with the exception of Ross Jeffries.

In my humble opinion, there are two companies you should never, ever, EVER buy or learn anything from, and they are:

1.  Real Social Dynamics
2.  Speed Seduction

So who should you learn from?  Well, check out my Top 10 list.  Those guys are the REAL DEAL.  Check them out for yourselves.

Okay, rant finished.  Now let the flaming begin!

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Comments

405 Responses to “Breaking News: Real Social Dynamics Still Sucks Ass”
  1. entouragevip says:

    outfits like rsd want one thing—your hard-earned dollars. They’re experts at raising your expectations and then rubbing your face in your disappointment after you’ve shelled out the big bucks. They rely on story-telling to sell their product. The bigger and more descriptive the tale the more the consumer is drawn in. Forget what the fact say.

  2. gambler says:

    im not sure whether the above post was realy by RJ, since it was so nonsensical so there is a possibility that it wasn’t him.

    but RJ does have a reputation for being a little stupid. so who knows.

    for one thing, RSD has a better business model than speed seduction, thats for sure. we dont even need to argue that.

    1. yes u are right. RSDNATION is incredibly popular.

    2. Their marketing is as good as they feel they need it to be. It is defnitely better than a lot of other companies, unless you are comparing it with the market leader.

    3.thats pure speculation and you aren’t going to jump off some building if it is proven untrue, so why type it

    4. it is a company that concentrates on bootcamps. and many pple are glad there is that option b) do you know how many instructors they have? less than 10

    c) why do they need to be big stars, a big star just posts lots of articles around the internet and posts regular blogs, and does guest appearances everywhere. the strategy isn’t even hard, the reason why they arent doing that is cause they dont even feel the need to.
    d) its their choice

    e) if they appeal mostly to under 30′s, so do most other companies, then again, the under 40 market is the biggest for thsi industry

    f)haha. tyler has enhanced his reputation a lot lately. they are big. have u read purple cow by seth godin? then you would realize why this thread is so big.

    g)their crappy products are way better than crappy speed seduction products. probably one of the best customer service in the industry.

    h) u might say that cause u work with mystery now, but hell the way RSD teaches is in no way similar to venusian arts.

    RSD is one of the best companies out there and they know exactly where to market. they are a good example of a purple cow described by seth godin. their amount of haters is a very very good thing for them.

  3. Dr.Philip says:

    “outfits like rsd want one thing—your hard-earned dollars. They’re experts at raising your expectations and then rubbing your face in your disappointment after you’ve shelled out the big bucks. They rely on story-telling to sell their product. The bigger and more descriptive the tale the more the consumer is drawn in. Forget what the fact say.”

    I think you’re confusing Mystery with RSD. Srsly.

    And who cares about RJ? If you’ve read the Book of Pook, you would know RJ is irrelevant along with the other trash similar to Mystery.

  4. Gambler, the pout and the try hard pics says:

    gambler, shut the hell up. You’ve added nothing new to PU, ever, except a permanent stupid pout in every staged pic of you with an HB, and your verbatim regurgitation of Mystery Method. And that last post was just as insightful as everything else you’ve ever contributed ie not at all. Go away, have an original idea, and then post it minus the grammatical errors of a 11yr old. Maybe then someone, somewhere, might actually care what you think.

  5. The End says:

    I see the community is as sad as it’s always been.

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