Breaking News: Real Social Dynamics Still Sucks Ass
February 19, 2008 by Thundercat
Filed under Rants & Reviews
So the other night, I’m minding my own business when I get an Instant Message from Donovan over at the Seduction Chronicles. He asks me to check out this post where someone other than me finally takes RSD to task.
Now, I know I get a lot of flack for ragging on the Real Social Dickweeds over there in the magical world of PUA-land where Tyler and his minions continue to drink the cool-aid about how they rule and everyone else sucks, so I was happy to see that I’m not the only one being vocal about it anymore.
(Just to be fair, nearly every major PUA I know talks shit about Tyler and crew, but they don’t do it publicly. That distinct pleasure seems to be reserved for yours truly.)
So my first reaction to this post was – it went too easy on these guys.
Now, most of what I’m going to write here is directed primarily at Tyler and Papa, since they pretty much are RSD. All the other guys – Jlaix, Christophe, and anyone else I don’t know, I have no real problem with. They are just the most recent brainwashed minions to fall under the Tyler spell. So this in no way is meant as a criticism of them.
Getting back to it – the purpose of Donovan’s post was to talk about the mythical "Blueprint" which is now 4 years in the making. It’s basically a critique of Tyler’s teachings, and that reflects as to why the Blueprint is never coming out.
Now, RSD just released "The Blueprint Exposed," or whatever the heck their next lame product is. But make no mistake about it – it’s just the same old recycled Tyler crap you’ve always gotten from him.
The biggest complaints I hear directed towards my criticisms of the RSD boys and their teachings is that I’m "jealous" or "petty" because they "won’t hang out with me" or that we had some type of falling out because Tyler didn’t want to write articles for me any more.
Make no mistake about it – that’s not true. I used to consider these guys friends, and I kept quiet about my concerns with Tyler and crew for a long time after that relationship deteriorated (this happened around the time the boys were all ganging up against Mystery in Project Hollywood).
The thing that made me go public with my criticism of RSD was the deluge I got from people who took their workshops and felt they got scammed. Before long, I was getting too many of these emails and bad reviews to ignore.
Then came the evidence that RSD was putting inexperienced instructors into the field to teach paying customers stuff they could not even do themselves.
Finally, there was the "Deep Throat" who sent me private messages from RSD’s instructor’s message board specifically outlining how they planned to trick workshop students into thinking they improved in their workshops when really it was just a trick for inexperienced instructors to make the poor student feel good without having to actually deliver results (and therefor not deliver a refund).
All that combined, I felt the need to speak out, because my personal experiences with these guys has never been anything but bad. Papa is a sociopathic liar, and so is Tyler – Tyler is just more charismatic and better at hiding it than Papa is. And neither of them really care about anyone other than themselves – so you can add a healthy dash of narcissism in there for good measure.
Now, I know what you’re thinking: "Thundercat, what does this have to do with pickup? Why are you hating? Negativity sucks. Blah, blah, blah."
Well, this actually has a LOT to do with pick up, since these are guys that students look up to and follow. These are also guys who have the power to REALLY mess people up.
The reason I’m writing about this is really because the focus on Donovan’s post was about the teachings of RSD. Well, let me say this right now:
THE TEACHINGS WORK.
That is how they are able to stay in business. If you follow the
instructions that these guys lay out for you, chances are you will get
results.
Now, you may feel shocked that I say this, but it’s true. The
teachings are good! However, the reason they are good is because – THEY DID NOT COME UP WITH THEM.
Tyler is what you get when you breed a leech with a sponge. No one
freakin’ cared who Tyler was until he started hanging out with
Mystery. Then, all of a sudden, Tyler starts posting about his "super
uber crazy skillz" on mASF – which is all stuff he learned from
Mystery, but Mystery never bothered to post publicly about, and he starts getting props.
Then, Tyler starts learning Speed Seduction. Now he’s down with
manipulation and mind control in addition to routines and peacocking. Okay, cool.
After that, he starts teaching his own workshops and gets the whole
"hero worship" thing going. (Another thing he got from Mystery)
Then, he moves into Project Hollywood and studies Neil Stauss’ every
move. And for those of you who pay attention, this is when RSD was in
their hey-day.
He then starts taking things from gifted co-horts of his, Like
PlayboyLA, Sickboy, and Twenty-Six, and passing them off as his own.
Keep in mind, this is all taking place in the 2004-2005 time frame.
Why is this relevant?
Simple – because THIS is the time when Tyler announces he is writing THE BLUEPRINT. The supposed end-all-be-all of pick up.
And then something incredible happens…
EVERYONE DITCHES TYLER!!!
Mystery excommunicates him. Ross refuses to hang with him. Style
thinks he’s a prick and a phony. Even the people who were closest to
him – Playboy, Sickboy, and Twenty-Six – all see he’s a sociopath and
move as far away from him as they can get.
People stop posting their ideas on Mystery’s Lounge because Tyler keeps ripping them off and passing them off as his own.
Then, the cracks in their organization begin to surface, the bad reviews start to come out, and what do they do?
THEY CUT THEMSELVES OFF!
They stop participating in the community. They stop posting on mASF.
They only do stuff on their website, their blog, and their newsletters
because that’s the only way they can manipulate what gets out about
them.
But something else happened when they retreated into RSD-land…
TYLER RAN OUT OF PEOPLE TO STEAL FROM.
Notice how little innovation has come from TD since the actual,
TALENTED gurus, such as Mystery, Style, and Playboy, stopped hanging
out with him?
Trust me: This is not a coincidence.
Tyler has always been very good at co-opting other people’s ideas and
making them seem like his own brilliance. But Tyler is just a
charismatic snake-oil salesman. He is repackaging stuff that better
PUAs teach, and passing it off as his own.
Even newer products like "Transformations" is a rip off of the
behavioral stuff Dr. Paul has been pioneering. And don’t think a lot
of TD’s latest offerings haven’t been poor-man versions of stuff Brad P
came up with.
Like I said – their teachings work – but not because of them. In fact, it is DESPITE them that they work!
All RSD is, is an organization designed to do 2 things…
1. Make money
2. Inspire mindless loyalty in their students.
Oddly enough – this business model is even ripped off from Ross
Jeffries, who, for once, is actually RIGHT when he says someone stole
something from him!
These guys DO NOT CARE about students. Their goal – with their
products AND their workshops – is to fool students into feeling good
enough that they won’t ask for their money back, without having to
deliver any actual results.
And this is the reason why the actual Blueprint will never be released
- because Tyler has run out of the best people to steal from, so he has
a hard time writing this stuff down because he can’t analyze and break
down what better PUAs are doing before they popularize their techniques
first.
All you’re going to see from Tyler and crew from here on out is the following:
1. Products based on seminars where they give away 0% content but make you feel really good for watching it.
2. Workshops designed to excite people without evoking any real change or results.
3. Fun videos that display Tyler’s charismatic personality to make you
like him, without ever really showing you how freakin’ sociopathic he
is.
4. Long, rambling posts and field reports that are either completely made up, or completely ripped off from someone else.
Trust me – if it wasn’t for the fact that they somehow weaseled their
way into almost all of David D’s products, these guys would have been
out of business long ago, because they aren’t innovators. They are not
originators. They are rip-off artists and fakes. (Again, this is
aimed at Tyler and Papa, not others in the RSD crew. They may be just
as bad as Tyler, but history shows that the people TD and Papa surround
themselves with are actually much more talented than they are.)
So before people go off half-cocked and tell me I’m a loser who’s just
spouting negativity for no good reason, I think you guys have to look
long and hard at how these guys and their past actions have played out.
1. They’ve stopped innovation because all the innovators have stopped hanging out with them.
2. Everyone who used to like them now hates them and wants nothing to do with them.
3. They have a business model based around self-gain and deception.
4. They isolate themselves because they have a narcissistic need to manipulate and control all information about them (something the Nazi government was very good at, as well).
5. They threaten to sue anyone who actually dares to speak ill of them and expose the truth.
If there is anyone out there reading this who has signed up for an RSD
product or workshop, or is thinking about it – trust me, you would be
better off with almost ANY other seduction course or guru out there,
with the exception of Ross Jeffries.
In my humble opinion, there are two companies you should never, ever, EVER buy or learn anything from, and they are:
1. Real Social Dynamics
2. Speed Seduction
So who should you learn from? Well, check out my Top 10 list. Those guys are the REAL DEAL. Check them out for yourselves.
Okay, rant finished. Now let the flaming begin!
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It seems once Tyler stopped steeling from Mystery and others he started stealing from self help gurus such as Tony Robbins. Listen to Tony Robbins Unleash the Power Within and you’ll hear 99% or the terms and theories the RSD boys preach about. Maybe someone should let Tony know about this
By that logic, I can claim Tony Robbins and along with billions of other self-help gurus were influenced by Dr. Maxwell Maltz’s Psycho-Cybernetics (originator of self-image psychology).
So what are you trying to get at?
Oh you might find it hard to believe, but with a burning desire, one can set on a journey to find answers without having ANY external reference.
Such is the case with Tyler. You might not believe that – I don’t give a fuck, but it’s true.
I think a lot of you people are underestimating Tyler, it’s a shame really. He is a walking example of someone who changed his life, out of books from Maltz, Robbins, Hill, etc.
When the BP hits home, he’ll be making a name for himself for the public. It’s going to happen and all these haters are going to cower in fear.
Oh and just for the record, Tyler has credited/recommended works from Tony Robbins, Eckey, etc. when he was writing the Blueprint during the last 4 years and came full circle.
they are the weakest link. DYD teaches it like it is. Everyone bites off of him, everyone owes credit to him. Case closed.
how to get success with women:
-know what you want
-get the fuck out of the house and try
-keep trying until you notice patterns
-replicate those patterns in YOUR own way.
everything else is bullshit insight, that makes you do more of what you want.
-Wanna be sleezy- go MM.
-wanna learn about being bold- go to RSD
-wanna learn direct or natural- go badboy
wanna learn hpnosis RJ
wanna learn KJ theories, THundy
Otherwise stop complaining about all this “Mcdonalds vs. burger king” shit. thats what it sounds like to me.
Let me tell you all something about ur favorite “guru.” They STILL have girl problems. GASP….those of you who shake your head and say NO way….ur losers.
Problems are fact of life, we all got them.
-Tony Robbins still has money problems
-Mystery still gets dumped
-TD still has trouble creating attraction in some bitches
-MM camp- …too easy
RJ- learns from the competition he hates
YOU- are a keyboard jokey even tho you think otherwise.
INSTEAD of worship, just know that you can improve your life with YOUR own action, and passion.
JUST Like your gurus once did, to create WHOLE NEW problems, that they can arrive in fashion to.
thundy blarted out thusly:
“1. Make money
2. Inspire mindless loyalty in their students.
Oddly enough – this business model is even ripped off from Ross Jeffries, who, for once, is actually RIGHT when he says someone stole something from him!”
Thundy, since you’ve never created anything of value, you can’t understand or recognize genuine gratitude and admiration, which is what my students feel for me.
I care deeply for my students as anyone who has attended one of my events can attest. In fact, I would say that I am the only teacher in this community; as I CAN and DO reach students on a deep level and help them to overcome and even heal the deep level blocks they have to progress.
Everyone else is a lecturer, or even of less value, a presenter/interviewer.
If anyone wants the real scoop on the value of what I offer, why don’t you to to pickuppodcast.com and listen to the 2 part interview I did? Just scroll through the interview recordings on the upper right hand corner of their home page.
The responses they are getting from listeners are overwhelmingly positive.
Thundy is entitled to his bloated, lying, twisted opinions, but he hasn’t changed a single life for the better with his crap.
And for him to talk about lack of integrity when he releases “Consistent Closing” and “Art of Rapport” is laughable hypocrisy.
Perhaps Thundy is projecting the contempt he has for his own dishonesty onto others.
RJ
~Rebel PUA
RJ, I’ve never really studied Speed Seduction, although I did read your book ‘how to get the woman you desire into bed’ about a year back. I know the way it works in this industry/community is, if the stuff you’re marketing doesn’t get results for people you’re out.
You’re stuff must work for people because you’ve been going for years. I know RSD’s stuff works first hand.
So when you say: ” Thundy, since you’ve never created anything of value, you can’t understand or recognize genuine gratitude and admiration, which is what my students feel for me.
I care deeply for my students as anyone who has attended one of my events can attest. In fact, I would say that I am the only teacher in this community; as I CAN and DO reach students on a deep level and help them to overcome and even heal the deep level blocks they have to progress.”
Why on earth are you qualifying yourself to fatboy?
Man you make me sick with all that jealousy, just get over it
I went to an RSD seminar in SF a few weeks ago and after going through my own journey as a PUA, I found that I could relate a lot to what Jeffy said.
I can usually spot the bullshitters from the real deal, and Jeffy definitely has it. Ciaran used some high pressure sales techniques to try to sell me one of their products, but that doesn’t really have anything to do with their ability to teach
.
I like Jeffries. A lof of his stuff makes sense, I am a big neuroligustics fan. I am curious if he fucked this hot shrink (former model) – Victoria Zdrok, she really endorses his approach in her book, “Dr Z on Scoring”.
Some of you gentlemen here act like people didn’t start fucking until PUAs “discovered” their material and introduced the products to make it possible.
Yes, only recently did we start unwinding the mechanisms of attraction, but who cares if PUG1 ripped off PUG2?
It’s not like they actually created these patterns of human interaction.
They are businessmen, selling the service of delivering knowledge. How well they do is based on how well their “method” teaches what we’ve been doing since we started being human.
Try copyrighting that shit.
- Jason
No, I did not fuck Dr. Z. We met in NYC while I was out on business and had some interesting talks about doing some ventures together(which hasn’t yet happened).
I actually found her to be a sweet, even “girly” woman, just looking for a bit of respect and recognition beyond her looks.
RJ
93/93
http://www.speedseduction.biz/nailyourinnergamepromo.php
YOU ARE JUST BASHING THEM SINCE THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY EVOLVED AND ARE YOU MAIN COMPETITION NOW JOSEPH (thundercrap)
that is a very low technique to be using.
also how can you accuse them of money making when both style and mystery CASHED IN on incredibly poor product just on hype.
Your performance on Vince’s conference was POOR too. All this years and you have not even improved. Looser.
By the way, for years now RSD has been using this, “Happy people who are fulfilled don’t criticize others” tactic to distract and discourage people from looking at what they are doing.
Hey, people who are offering material that really works don’t mind critical scrutiny; in fact, they welcome it as a tool to improve what they are doing.
In effect, RSD is saying, “If you look at us with a critical eye, there is something WRONG with you,and what you are saying MUST be of no value and contain no truth.”
Nice thought-stopping technique.
And creepy.
RJ
RSD seems to be the most popular seduction company right now. I just checked it out.
The Attraction (MM) froums have 126 active users.
The Venusian Arts forums have 175 active users.
RSD furms currently have 2190 active users.
Though it seems according to popular opinion RSD is a trustworthy organisation, I fail to see how it refutes Thundercat’s point. Of course the brainwashed will believe they are right. They probably are not as bad as he believes, but there’s a reason they get flak and David D, or Strauss, or Mystery don’t. Whether it is a lack of social skills or genuine lack of ability is irrelevant. If a pick-up instructor cannot even make himself and his organisation likable and accepted by a community, who is he to teach me social dynamics?
LOL dracoserpent, you write they are not accepted by the community, since you call the many that do like them “brainwashed”.
interesting logic. proves the timeless truth – when someone believes in something, he’ll twist all logic to convince himself that he’s right.
i guess that every single poster here that praised them also works for rsd, right? LOL
ps the Jason Weiser post – well said!!
No, random geeks with blogs are not a problem. There’s free speach in North America and it’s people’s right to decide how they want to make use of that. The problem is when you read it and it distracts you from kicking ass at what you love.
Point being is that the biggest reason why you see people like Britney Spears breaking down in tears on national TV is because she’s too naive to realize she needs to stop reading her own press.
When you deliberately raise your profile (and enjoy the benefits of that) it’s natural and expected that people will try to capitalize off in every way possible. SO DON’T READ YOUR OWN PRESS.
(Or if you need to, have somebody do it for you and feed you only the most absolutely pertinent information).
Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I am public property, Jeffy is public property, Tim is about to become public property. Everyone can say whatever they want to say, it doesn’t matter.
As a dude with a high profile you have to be cool with that and have your own sense of who you are independently of that. The only reason you’re reading what other people are saying is because you’re looking for a CHEAP FIX OF VALIDATION. And when you don’t get it (or it’s even negative) you feel all sad or whatever — when in reality you can’t be in the mental habit of looking to that to “find yourself” regardless.
Over the years I’ve conditioned myself not to give a shit, and that the only thing that matters is my own integrity. If I feel I’m doing good, then I don’t care what anyone says. If I know I’m fucking up then I’ll fix it — but that’s based on my own opinion and those of the people who are close to me, not RANDOMS who I haven’t seen in like half a decade.
Like, if I accidentally read some bad press I wouldn’t care. It wouldn’t register with me at this point. But at the same time, I wouldn’t be in the habit of LOOKING to read my own press because the only reason I’d be doing that is to micro-manage the opinions of the public — which is absolutely none of my business anyway.
As far as “RSD Popularity” the issue auto-corrects itself by consistently putting out high quality material and doing kickass programs. Life is very short, and all I want to do it focus on living the way I want to live. What anyone thinks of it at this point is really their own right and none of my concern.
Tyler
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^ Badaboom. Done. Shut down your terrible blog right now, Thundy.
Tyler had a good response. Well done.
However, I don’t really believe he practices what he preaches but it’s good advice for people who will follow it.
“Point being is that the biggest reason why you see people like Britney Spears breaking down in tears on national TV is because she’s too naive to realize she needs to stop reading her own press.”
Uh….how about her being diagnosed as having a medical/psychiatric disorder?
“When you deliberately raise your profile (and enjoy the benefits of that) it’s natural and expected that people will try to capitalize off in every way possible. SO DON’T READ YOUR OWN PRESS.”
The other side of it is, “DON’T BUY YOUR OWN BULLSHIT”. Which requires that you be very open to intelligent feedback and that you surround yourself with people whom you reward for telling you like it is, rather than what you want to hear.
Look: strong-minded people with lots of brain power and a sense of purpose, even destiny, can readily go off on some nasty tangents and easily get hypnotized by their own ideas. Knowing that, a really wise person builds in “fail safes”.
One of the key skills I teach is the ability to have a vision that is NOT dependent on external validation or the events of the day(or week, or month or year) going your way, and yet at the same time is open to feedback and learning from the environment.
BOTH have to be there. Simply having a strong vision and a charismatic voice won’t get you where you want to go without an empircal way to test reality and a strong culture of open critique.
Right now, I have 5 people on my team. All of them are encouraged and rewarded to challenge my ideas, point out potential problems and flaws, indicate where they think things could be better. I pass out $200 cash bonuses every time they can bring up a potential problem I didn’t catch or see.
The greater your sense of purpose, the more compelling, even grandiose your vision, and more powerful your charisma, the MORE you need this kind of thing.
“Or if you need to, have somebody do it for you and feed you only the most absolutely pertinent information”
Be careful. A business that has a narcissistic culture that values currying favor with the boss rather than seeking out the best solutions and speaking truth to one another is not going to encourage “pertinent”. It will encourage ass-kissing.
“The only reason you’re reading what other people are saying is because you’re looking for a CHEAP FIX OF VALIDATION. And when you don’t get it (or it’s even negative) you feel all sad or whatever — when in reality you can’t be in the mental habit of looking to that to “find yourself” regardless.”
Looking to what other people are saying is a way of grounding your vision in feedback. Sometimes it is the most vicious and “negative” toned feedback that contains the truth that our own organizations won’t tell us..or that they have been trying to tell but have been discouraged by a culture of narcissism and denail.
I suggest anyone reading check out a book called, “From Good to Great”. The author discusses this thoroughly.
“Over the years I’ve conditioned myself not to give a shit, and that the only thing that matters is my own integrity. If I feel I’m doing good, then I don’t care what anyone says. If I know I’m fucking up then I’ll fix it — but that’s based on my own opinion and those of the people who are close to me, not RANDOMS who I haven’t seen in like half a decade.”
Well and good, provided you’ve surrounded yourself by people who will really feel free to tell you the way they see it and if you’ve recognized the need in yourself to be open to it.
“As far as “RSD Popularity” the issue auto-corrects itself by consistently putting out high quality material and doing kickass programs. Life is very short, and all I want to do it focus on living the way I want to live. What anyone thinks of it at this point is really their own right and none of my concern.”
If that were the case you wouldn’t have written and posted this.
Fun tangling with you again. You’ve done well for a Kingston boy!
RJ
93/93
http://www.speedseduction.biz/nailyourinnergamepromo.php
I could assume RSD would distance itself from the community is because it is not like them. Much of the community seems to focus on canned material, and routines,etc. The New RSD is all about personal Transformation, which i’m sure deep down is what most guys are after, and not a few pickup lines to inflate their ego temporarilly.
Furthermore, why would they try and relate with people who make posts like this? It must have taken you at least a good half an hour to write such a pointless, bitter post and for what, to make you feel better?
Hmm. It seems that I misread the above post from Tyler. I now realize that he didn’t post it on this blog.
I now see that he posted it in response to a thread on RSDNation, and someone else reposted it here.
I realize that this obliterates my argument, and has caused me to humiliate myself by thinking that Tyler… or anyone with an actual job… would stoop to posting on this laughable sideshow, as I do.
I also suddenly see the irony in my calling someone else creepy.
I’m sorry. I was wrong. I realize that all I’ve ever done is use NLP to sidestep ever actually needing to face my insecurities.
I wish I knew how to get myself out of the mess I’ve tangled myself up in.
I don’t think I can.
Please, help me.
RJ
I want to thank the above posters who added my comments on this controversy, and also want to jump in and out of the pool real quick, just enough to get my balls wet.
I’ve got nothing but respect for anyone teaching men how to get better with women, and become better men in general. Does that mean I don’t want to kick them right in the ass and prove that I am the true Highlander? Of course not. It’s a competitive free market, silly goose.
But everyone out there who teaches has brought something he learned to wider recognition, and whatever the motivation and whatever the method, that’s contributing to make the world a better place.
Some things are a crutch. I’m a Catholic. And I lean on it pretty heavily from time to time. Is it crazed dogma? Is it brainwashing? Is it the one true way?
Yes, yes and no. But when you’ve fallen and need help, a crutch is a wonderful thing. Just remember to use it to get your ass walking on your own again.
Peace and love,
Sean
I want to thank the above posters who added my comments on this controversy, and also want to jump in and out of the pool real quick, just enough to get my balls wet.
I’ve got nothing but respect for anyone teaching men how to get better with women, and become better men in general. Does that mean I don’t want to kick them right in the ass and prove that I am the true Highlander? Of course not. It’s a competitive free market, silly goose.
But everyone out there who teaches has brought something he learned to wider recognition, and whatever the motivation and whatever the method, that’s contributing to make the world a better place.
Some things are a crutch. I’m a Catholic. And I lean on it pretty heavily from time to time. Is it crazed dogma? Is it brainwashing? Is it the one true way?
Yes, yes and no. But when you’ve fallen and need help, a crutch is a wonderful thing. Just remember to use it to get your ass walking on your own again.
Peace and love,
Sean
“As many are probably aware, there are those in the “seduction community at large” who are, for lack of a better term, HATERS when it comes to RSD. Their accusations are as numerous as they are baseless.
Tyler and I decided long ago that life was too short and precious to waste by engaging these people in some sort of “debate” that will never be won, and only serves to feed the collective PAIN BODY of all those involved. Instead, we resolved to direct that energy inward, and use it to IMPROVE OURSELVES and our work.
Well, the other day, my curiosity got the better of me. In the wake of the Blueprint release, I wanted to see what the others were thinking… surely they must be crapping their pants. So yes, I will admit it… I took a look at the other forums and even the blog of “He Who Must Not Be Named.”
Same old bullshit. Nothing has changed. My pain body erupted in glee from its hiding place and did a little dance. Before it could run completely amok, I shut down the browsers and promised myself to never do such a thing again. Useless.
One thing I noticed before doing so, however, was that large amounts of RSD supporters were out there, posting in our defense.
In some ways this is admirable and heartwarming, because it’s good to know that “the community” as we know it is beginning to see a true shift towards authenticity and away from craven manipulation. On the other hand, you guys must know that doing this only FEEDS into the haters’ dementia. At a deep level, the haters know they are wrong. But the thing is, they LIKE to be wrong. They LIKE it. They KNOW they are pieces of shit and as such will subconsciously do whatever it takes to make that bigger, to punish themselves, etc.
And by playing into this disturbing “game,” YOU become complicit. It begins to infect YOU.
Look guys, what I’m trying to say here is this: we appreciate the support, but let’s just stay off these chodes’ radar and work on ourselves. The only thing you can control is YOURSELF. Do not feel you have to “defend” us on the internet. We’re gonna be okay.
RSD is not on trial here.
YOU are.
I am.
Namaste.”
- Jeffy (RSD)
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This is going to be my last post in this terrible blog. Everyone else should do the same.
Oh and one more thing. Ross Jeffries, I’d suggest reading ‘The Power of Now’ by Eckhart Tolle.
I mean it.
Not only is this embraced fully by the RSD Nation, but by other people such as Oprah, and fucking Paris Hilton.
Paris. Fucking. Hilton.
You just might the answer you’re looking for.
Out.
Yeah, seriously. I think that although RSD really appreciates the fact that you guys defend it, attention on this blog is just fuel to the fire.
So guys… anyone who genuinely supports RSD, please leave this blog. I speak as one of you. Tyler doesn’t want us posting here, no-one does. This isn’t the place for us… the club is the place for us.
Let’s leave this blog to history and move on to bigger and better things.
Like pussy.
Much love.
Jeffy = RSDfan
That’s not surprising. He’s been spamming and flaming on this board for a year or so.
Funny how RSD suddenly realized what many of the real good dating coaches have known for years: stop being a phony who relies on routines.
Congrats RSD for FINALLY getting on the bandwagon! Guess you had to grow up sometime….
Sean Messenger–get a life dude. Decide whether you hate the “community” and PUAs or just yourself. You vacillate between “I love everyone” and then a week later, all guys who teach “pickup” are losers except you and your affiliates.
RJ–keep posting to Tyler like a lovesick fan. He’ll notice you eventually.
I’ve been saying this shit since before anyone else seen it.
Like in the 2001-2002 era when he first arrived, and leeched on to me as his first stepping stone.
Then I get “Gunwitch won’t meet anyone”.
There is actually a post where Tyler says, (after saying my material got him his first results in the community, hmm curious)that he will stake his repuation that I will never meet anyone.
All In an attempt to discredit me because I had the “other” following at the time in community that rivaled the size of RSD.
Uhhhh I have met people now, I just chose to give some of that era who stuck up for him a wiiiiiiiiiide fuckin birth cause of just this shit.
SO there goes your repuation TD.
When me and Magnus were hanging out down in Vegas, he puts me on the phone with Tyler, and I say whats up, I am havin a good time and all, figure may as well bury the hatchet and at least be friendly.
He freezes up like a deer in headlights and won’t hardly speak, as if he is at a loss for words, very rude or weird, either way I just handed the phone back, fuck it.
The rain of shit on RSD and TD now days couldn’t happen to more a more deserving guy from what I can see.
Oh and one more thing. Ross Jeffries, I’d suggest reading ‘The Power of Now’ by Eckhart Tolle.
“I mean it.
Not only is this embraced fully by the RSD Nation, but by other people such as Oprah, and fucking Paris Hilton.
Paris. Fucking. Hilton.
You just might the answer you’re looking for.
Out.”
Wow. ENDORSED BY A TOWERING INTELLECT LIKE PARIS HILTON?
What can I say …….if a COOL and popular person likes something, it MUST be true!
RJ
93/93
It was pretty obvious it was a joke, but I guess it tends to fly over dirty little old… oops, ego there is flaring up.
But what can I say, your act is tired. You’re just as troubled as Thundy. Reading Tolle is probably one the best things someone could do, but not so much when you can’t take any advice from anyone else but other than your own.
Or does it hurt to be taking advice from someone that comes from RSD? The Blueprint is shipping tomorrow and the start of a revolution is about to begin. Something that Gunwitch can never accomplish. Take the student frame, RJ. It helps.
“Funny how RSD suddenly realized what many of the real good dating coaches have known for years: stop being a phony who relies on routines.
Congrats RSD for FINALLY getting on the bandwagon! Guess you had to grow up sometime….”
I’m curious as to who these so called ‘real good dating coaches’ are?
“Gunwitch can’t acomplish” whatever.
I make more money and change more lives while im asleep than you do worshipping your asswipe gurus.
Say what you will, yeah whatever cunt.
Don’t post anonymous and let me meet you.
I’ll break your fuckin face. YES over talking down to me on the net, I am that “childish”.
I am also REAL, and you ain’t, go suck tylers ginger cock some more.
Otherwise tell me exactly who in this community you are before you speak out of line to someone who in person would command either your silence or respect.
JossReffries said:
“Or does it hurt to be taking advice from someone that comes from RSD? The Blueprint is shipping tomorrow and the start of a revolution is about to begin. Something that Gunwitch can never accomplish. Take the student frame, RJ. It helps.”
Son, I was “taking the student” frame while you were still in diapers.
But remember, for me, being a student also requires and demands CRITICAL THINKING. Clear thought. Questioning the premises, the data and conclusions being drawn.
I am just astounded that some people actually not only don’t value critical thinking, but view it as “negativity” or a draw back or block or weakness that needs to be eliminated.
I don’t have an “act” to tire. I have a passion to teach and change lives and I’m always looking to improve. So why don’t YOU take “the student frame” and find out for yourself about my latest work?
Tell you what: jump on over to pickuppodcast.com. You can listen to my 2 part interview with Jordan and Kim, and hear for yourself if my work is “tired” or if I am still THE leading innovator and creator in this community.
Or is Tyler going to punish you if you listen to someone else?
Give it a listen, it’s not even on MY site.
RJ
93/93
P.S. Critical thinking is a GOOD idea, not a bad one. Seeing errors and mistakes and falsehood is a GOOD thing, and the skill set that allows you to do this is a crucial one to develop. As an adult, it is your right and your DUTY to learn to think critically.
Ekhart Tolle is the Perry Como of philosophers
Critical Thinking != Hating
Being critical (i.e. clear logical objective thought) is by definition emotionally neutral, and neither positive nor negative– that comes from how we choose to frame it. RJ, of all people, knows this. Saying that these arbitrary value judgements (themselves based on tenuous facts) amount to critical thinking is just absurd.
Whoah hold your horses, now Gunwitch is joining in the fire? Wow dude, first of all, take a good look at your terrible site. You honestly think that anyone buys the idea that you’re making money? The packaging of your elementary program is so damn laughable compared to RSD’s Blueprint (which btw, had $250,000 in production costs), it just makes me wonder how many lives you’re actually changing. Long story short- RSD will continue even when Tyler is gone. You on the other hand, are no authority figure in Seduction – your opinions are invalid. You bring nothing new, you contribute nothing to the new Seduction movement. You’re just a ‘random’. You have no right whatsoever to call anyone out on RSD. You can’t even back it up.
So how ‘REAL’ are you exactly? If you’re going to break anyone face, why not break the RSD Crew? Why don’t you send a PU challenge to Tyler? I hear in Transformations he’s willing to step up to any challenge. Better idea, why don’t you send a challenge to Jeffy? Or Alex? Hell, even Tyler’s GF can pickup more chicks than you ever will.
Oh that’s right, you can’t. You don’t even have pictures of yourself with chicks, LOL. Just another random. Next.
AGAIN, don’t post anonymous you pussy of a man.
Oh and by the way, 250 thousand dollars in production costs is nothing to brag about you macaroon.
People want information of quality, not the latest high end artwork on the cover from some homosexual LA painter lol.
This is he information age, not the 80s.
gunwitch:
your shit hasn’t changed since 2003. its still the same crap very incomplete method that doesn’t work for 95% of people. cause its SHIT.
maybe you should go on a HUNGER STRIKE till BLUEPRINT comes out to lose some of that fat!!!
LOL
Read Jilax/Jeffy’s archive on mASF. Alot of his early stuff and success was based on the approach of Gunwitch. Gunwitch seemed to be one of the first ones NOT to use routines and do just be more Alpha/Masculine/Direct. Whats the main thing that RSD is touting now?: Not to use routines and to be more natural/direct.
Uh and the fact that something has a lot more production costs is a pathetic argument. What do you want, lots of fancy colours and gimmicks? I’d rather a plain word doc filled with excellent advice.
I want to learn from Tyler too… I wanna know how he has become a marketing genius. People here would “die” to defend a product noone has gone through yet.
And if someone mentions the previews and tal about the foundations. This is so ridiculous.
Notice, I m not saying that the blueprint ist rubbish. What I say is: Lets wait and we`ll see…
I want to learn from Tyler too… I wanna know how he has become a marketing genius. People here would “die” to defend a product noone has gone through yet.
And if someone mentions the previews and tal about the foundations. This is so ridiculous.
Notice, I m not saying that the blueprint ist rubbish. What I say is: Lets wait and we`ll see…
“Oh and by the way, 250 thousand dollars in production costs is nothing to brag about you macaroon.
People want information of quality, not the latest high end artwork on the cover from some homosexual LA painter lol.
This is he information age, not the 80s.”
And you underestimate that Tyler does not deliver in the information department? Oh how wrong you are. Just wait how incredible Tyler is going to be in the future. He’s going to be the envy of everyone. I also like how you choose to ignore the other parts of my post, LOLOLLOL.
“Whats the main thing that RSD is touting now?: Not to use routines and to be more natural/direct.”
And what’s the main thing that everyone else is doing once RSD refined the usage of being more natural/direct to being simplistic and potent? They jump the bandwagon, LOL.
“Uh and the fact that something has a lot more production costs is a pathetic argument. What do you want, lots of fancy colours and gimmicks? I’d rather a plain word doc filled with excellent advice.”
It’s called professionalism. Do you honestly want omething that Gunwitch would put together? No? Hell, have you seen Mystery’s and Swinggcat’s programs? Just pathetic. No pride whatsoever in their work. Do you realize that the Blueprint is Tyler’s masterpiece and that will be his legacy once he’s gone? And despite the production costs, he’s actually selling the damn thing at such a ridiculously low price. Do you realize that Tyler is taking the Blueprint to the mainstream audience – and will be hailed as the next Anthony Robbins? If you want a plain word doc filled with excellent advice, that’s fine, but production costs have their hits too.
“I want to learn from Tyler too… I wanna know how he has become a marketing genius. People here would “die” to defend a product noone has gone through yet.
And if someone mentions the previews and tal about the foundations. This is so ridiculous.
Notice, I m not saying that the blueprint ist rubbish. What I say is: Lets wait and we`ll see…”
That’s already been answered. Read through the thread again.
Comparing the nu-RSD to gunwitch method is laughable.
Gunwitch method explains NOTHING.
nu-RSD explains EVERYTHING.
RESULTS BABY.
LOLWITCH, you previously said of Gunwitcht:
“You on the other hand, are no authority figure in Seduction – your opinions are invalid. You bring nothing new, you contribute nothing to the new Seduction movement. You’re just a ‘random’. You have no right whatsoever to call anyone out on RSD. You can’t even back it up”
Then in relation to my post you said this:
“And what’s the main thing that everyone else is doing once RSD refined the usage of being more natural/direct to being simplistic and potent? They jump the bandwagon, LOL”
So what are you saying? You agree that RSD are REFINING the direct/natural method? If so, who are they refining it from: Gunwitch, the person you are accusing of having invalid opinions and of not bringing anything new to the table. He brought this to the table years before RSD. Just because his product was not as professional as RSD’s presentation does not give anyone the right to just pretend that it never existed.
Also the argument that other companies are now jumping on the Natural/direct bandwagon is entirly irrelevant to the RSD/Gunwitch point.
And before Gunwitch, there were cavemen, LOL.
Hmm maybe I shouldn’t have used the word, refining. I just woke up, sue me.
What I meant to say is we already have the most potent seduction system in our genes. It’s already within us. But do a lot of people know how to use that system? Not likely, as I have seen no other being able to connect to such a system like RSD. Not even Gunwitch’s. So with RSD, you get the most authentic, natural and fun system ever ‘created’ – in which surely a lot of rivals will be stealing off from.
Gunwitch had the possibility of doing the community something good, but his lack of pride and painbody had prevented him from doing so and resulted in major consequences.
Women haven’t changed since 2002.
Why the need for inovation of some new “stunning concept” of some kind?
My latest stuff my Way of Gun course lays stuff out so guys can learn it in stages, gives examples rather than all concept, and goes more in to the frames and how to acheive them.
But new techniques are not, and I suspect won’t be needed for a decade or more. They are afterall still women, we ain’t fuckin slaying dragons here.
And yes I do have a “lack of pride”, as far as I’m concerned everyone can go fuck themselves.
I don’t care to be around hostile, manipulative or annoying people in real life, though of course sometimes have to tolerate them.
Going to meet people of the same ilk from online though on purpose, not my cup of tea.
And as far as tylers pick up skills, or this girlfriend hes had for 5 years outpulling me or whatever, I ain’t gonna play forum warrior here, suffice to say, you can go fuck yourself.
the need for an ‘innovative concept’ is because douchebags like mystery have overcomplicated a system that was not suppose to be complicated in the first place. he goes overboard by assigning nerdy and bizarre concepts that are just laughable and embarrassing. not only that, he focuses on being inauthentic. and because everyone holds him to such a high light, they jump on his bandwagon like a bunch of sheep. now you have community that has gone too far into value taking.
as a result of this downward spiral, tyler goes out to find a solution. he’s taken this into his own hands and created something that should be – the way things ought to be. you’re not going to hear lines and a bunch more lines, but the blueprint is about unstifling yourself of social conditioning.
“I don’t care to be around hostile, manipulative or annoying people in real life.”
pot – kettle – black.
“I ain’t gonna play forum warrior here, suffice to say, you can go fuck yourself.”
you decided to play forum warrior by jumping in like a headless chicken. if you’re going to start shit with rsd, then please learn to back that ass up. your attack, and just about the majority of the haters here are spouting old and baseless claims on the old-rsd. what you have to say about nu-rsd is something you’ll have to investigate. so until then – lol. so yes, you can go fuck yourself.
If he hadn’t stole my carpet cleaining van back n 2001 I wouldn’t have so much animosity for him.
Thundercat… what is your real intention?
That people won’t buy their workshops? They will do. That people begin to hate them? They already do.
The only thing you are going to reach with crap like that, people will begin to think you are crap.
Anyways I like your blog, because it is entertaining me. Maybe we are going to see us some day…