Ross Jeffries Is Back… With A Vengeance!
July 31, 2007 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
Ah MINE99, how I’ve missed your insane, hypocritical rants.
So things have been extremely quiet on the Ross Jeffries front, ever since his business nearly imploded and he broke up with his longtime business partner Yates (who briefly started up a competing Speed Seduction business). But the murmurings among people in the community were that RJ has "turned over a new leaf" and was all about "sharing" and being more "community based."
Well, it turns out, like everything else about MINE99, that was false.
On his blog, he recently wrote a huge post pretty much attacking everyone in the seduction community all over again. (So much for changing, eh Ross?)
I believe this post was in response to the fact that he was not invited to attend the upcoming PUA summit in LA, being put on by his former top Speed Seducer (who now wants nothing to do with him, surprise, surprise.).
Check out his insane ramblings below…
Ross Jeffries writes:
The vast majority of these folks(and I’ve met virtually all of them) have never put together an original idea in their lives, don’t give a shit about really helping guys change, and are stealing each other blind.Now, just to illustrate what scum fucks most of the rest are, there is a Pick Up "Circus"..uh, I mean summit..coming up in August. Various different "instructors" from different "camps" are coming, or at least ALLEGEDLY are coming, with the proviso that the line up can change at any moment.
I can personally tell you that:
THREE of the speakers run businesses that are almost entirely based on ripping off Mystery. As in virtually word for word.
One of the allegedly confirmed speakers is the CEO of a company that is in a life or death legal struggle with Mystery’s company, Venusian Arts. This guy has hold of Mystery’s website, is claiming the right to use the name "Mystery" etc etc.
Ok, fuck it, I will name names: Savoy, you are a rat fuck. And I hope Mystery kicks your sorry ass in court, the way I kicked it on Dr. Phil.
The rest of the speakers, with perhaps ONE exception, are peddling watered down hybrid mixes of my work and Mystery’s, with a smattering of theft from books on evolutionary biology and "how to dress for success" tips.
And don’t get me started on the skank-bangers running the thing.
Now listen, if i seem like a bitter fucking crank, if you intend to write to me and tell me to stay "positive" I can only say…
HEY FUCK HEAD..YOU AREN’T THE ONE BEING RIPPED OFF..BUT THEN AGAIN, MAYBE YOU ARE!
Look: stealing is stealing. Someone who takes the creative effort of another, gives no credit(and no check!) to the originator, is a fucking thief. A person’ with loads of ambition, probably lots of envy too, but no integrity, no truth, and probably very little talent as well.
But here is another point: thieves like this don’t give a fuck about the talent from whom the steal. That’s obvious.
So what makes you think they have the integrity to care about you, the student? Do you really think someone who will not think twice about stealing the life’s work of another gives a damn whether YOU get what they are teaching?
I don’t know what to call these guys. They surely are NOT teachers, as I define it, because teachers put the student first, and these guys are incapable of putting anyone before themselves.
You can read the full rant here.
*sigh* this is typical Ross. First he attacks everyone for ripping off his stuff (which he’s also accused Mystery of), now he’s trying to get into Mystery’s good graces by attacking others because he’s such a starfucker, he wants to cash in on some of Mystery’s soon-to-be VH1 fame.
I love how Ross goes on a huge rant railing against people who steal their stuff, when, in fact, he pretty much took everything he teaches from people like Richard Bandler, Kenrick Cleaveland, Major Mark Cunningham, Steve Piccus, and a variety of other Speed Seduction students which he then passed off as his own teachings.
As a teacher, Ross has NOTHING to talk about when it comes to "credibility" and caring for students. I’ve talked to many of his former students who claim that MINE99 has called them up and threatened them to the point of tears for doing things he didn’t like!
Not only that, I’m told that both RJ and Nick Savoy (the guy he’s railing against) both appeared on a taped episode of Dr. Phil, which apparently he came off so creepy on, the Dr. Phil show may not even run the episode.
Anyway, I just find it funny how the "new and improved" Ross Jeffries is still a freakin’ jealous basketcase.
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It’s amazing how when men first start dating their drama is with women. Once they become gurus then most of their drama revolves around men
It’s amazing how when men first start dating their drama is with women. Once they become gurus then most of their drama revolves around men
Actually I agree in a big part with RJ.
95% of the “gurus” out there are rip-off artists who are stealing from either RJ, Mystery or DeAngelo.
I hate to admit it, but there was an “extreme KJ” period of my life where I literally read every single ebook and saw every video/audio out there…
The best lesson I got out of it is that 80% of these authors are ripping off David D, 15% mystery, and about 5% RJ.
And David D. is in turn ripping off (granted, he does credit them) the purveyors of evolutionary psychology and various new age self-help guru’s.
I always thought of the science of women how we see it, was a cumulative science. People use and build upon ideas already established. I mean who is to say that just because a certain person brought information to the mainstream, does that mean he is the first person to ever arrive at that idea? hmmm. Its debatable. The reason why RJ is so far behind…he never pushed his ideas further..he never explored the possibilites and left it to others. Now the others that did, made new discoveries based on his and other discoveries, but ross is not saying that those newly developed ideas FROM his ideas are his aswell. oh well. Nobody really cares. As long as the pussy is forthcoming. lol. greetings all.
I see people using pivots and not realizing my book was the first one to detail how to use them properly, and named the concept. Then they wonder why I don’t bother teaching them new stuff.
Tracy Cabot wrote a book on using NLP to seduce men that predates Ross’s. Does that matter? Probably not.
Ross reaction towards the community is to extreme. But a big part of the community is indeed ripping off the work that Ross Jeffries created.
it is right to blame the Ross for the way he wrote, but he is right big time.
You guys (who wrote about his extreme reaction) aren’t fair to him. He maybe, be an asshole time to time. But he must be credited for the work he has done.
”*sigh* this is typical Ross. First he attacks everyone for ripping off his stuff (which he’s also accused Mystery of), now he’s trying to get into Mystery’s good graces by attacking others because he’s such a starfucker, he wants to cash in on some of Mystery’s soon-to-be VH1 fame.”
Yeah, whatever, because you’re not sucking Savoys dick are you Thundy.
And you’ve never been guilty of sucking Neil Strauss’ either have you.
You can’t call RJ on anything, at least he’s made decent prodcuts. What have you actually ever contributed?
Oh yeah, The art of approaching and Thundercats *secret* files.
LOL. Go get ‘em champ.
I invite everyone to check out some groundbreaking new stuff from RSD released today.
I have to go surf now…*shrug* Papa and me have some rappers and Playboy bunnies coming over to detail our cars. It totally blows me away that I’m getting recognised everywhere. I get approached my chicks like 15 times a day……..*shrug*
Tomorrow, I’m getting on a jet and just traveling for 3 months. Traveling is awesome! It helps me stay positive. Then I am coming back and finishing up chapter 153 of The Blue Print
Well….I gotta run. Jeffy has some gum stuck in his hair again.
(Anyone see my girlfriend? She’s Mexican……..*shrug*)
These guys need to learn some basics of free capitalism. Ross is obviously a guy who had a creative streak for a while, innovated a new solution to a frustrating social problem of the modern age, and had some success. Then apparently he stopped working. He just got lazy, I don’t know. After you have a productive phase and climb your way up to new heights, you get that sense of justification to feel like a king and kick it, enjoy the life. But that’s where gangsters are born. People who like it at the top but develop a distaste for further exertions. Fortunately we’re moving toward free capitalism in which progress and innovation never stay still for long.
Ross sounds like one of those guys who wants to be worshipped like a lord of the people. In earlier times he might have pulled it off, hell all the geniuses were doing it. But all he did was contribute some innovative solutions. Then others used them to further innovate. The world moves on man. I’m just excited about what comes next.
One lesson to take from this, to the guys, is to really experiment on your own. Carve out your own path, advance your own ideas. As long as you remain in the producer class, you’ll not even care what anyone else does with what you put out there. I might be wrong, but those are my thoughts.
Thundy,
Do you know what they call a Quarter Pounder with cheese in France?
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy My brothers. And you will know My name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Thundy,
May I send you a copy of my new product for review?
You’ll love it…
Won’t be released to the public until October.
RJ
Uh, I’d have to agree with RJ on his point about Savoy. Way to not only rip off Mystery’s ENTIRE method, but then keep the name??? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?? At least come up with an original name you douchebag
I also agree with The SandWorm on this matter, I’m just not as cranky.
Wasn’t ThunderCat saying for horrible Tyer Durden is for ripping of MM.
And now he supports Savoy.
Can you say Double Standard.
What Savoy did was way worse than what Papa and Tyler Durden did. Atleast they used a different name for F*ck’s sake!
I have been going through RJ’s BHSC, where the audio appears to have almost all been from 1996.
I have been a stuck KJ for some years. So I am familiar with all the other stuff.
I have to agree with RJ. I am shocked as I listen through the BHSC at how I recognize that almost everything useful out there (including most of Mystery’s stuff) appears to have been lifted from RJ. It appears in his material in 1996 before these other guys did their stuff. In fact the more I listen the more I come to the conclusion that Mystery (who first appeared in the community in 1998) is mostly just using a highly specialized form of Speed Seduction. The similarities are remarkable.
Bottomline is that although many people may be justifiably mad at RJ for having been treated badly by him, he is the founder of the community and created most of the stuff that is highly effective. He is also the only guru who has guys who are old, ugly, etc. getting laid with hot women. I have a lot of anecdotes about this, including guys I have met.
My biggest regret is that many years ago when I first stumbled on the community, I misinterpretted the information I saw as indicating the RJ’s stuff did not work. I have learned the hard way over several years that SS is virtually the only stuff the works in a highly effective and efficient way.
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I think what has happened is that, with the exception of Neil Strauss, no one has been able to separate out the disparity between RJ often acting very badly toward others and his truly genius technology of seduction. Being a bad person, or perhaps just a person who has treatly people badly, does not preclude having great skill and genius. Basketball coach Bobby Knight is a horrible, rude person but he is also, in a purely objective sense looking at the statistics of his record, about the best college basket ball coach in history.
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is there a way I could email you?
Hi Wilson,
If you post an email address, I will email you back at that address.
You know, all this bullshit about me being difficult neglects one big reality: the people whom I am “difficult” with either were stealing my intelletual property or have, in other ways, blatantly betrayed my personal and professional trust.
You think I”M not the nicest guy on earth? You should only know what **I** know about some of the characters with whom I’ve been in conflict.
How about:
*A stalker and convict who concealed from me his history of spousal abuse and who had engaged in on-line scams, prior to doing business with me. I bailed this bastard out of jail-for which he never repaid me-and he rewarded me by public attacks and opening a brief-lived rival business.
*A guy who fucked his THERAPY CLIENTS, bragged about it, could not accept being in second position to me at my events, no matter how many public accolades and acknowledments I gave him, who was a virtual nobody and unknown before he hooked up with me, then publicly attacked the very work he accepted good coin to co-teach.
*A guy I took under my wing, trained as my protege, befriended and stuck with through injury, illness and his legal problems, who repaid me by stealing money from me in a joint venture, repeatedly issuing false financial statements to me over a period of 3 months, got into drugs, created a rival business based almost entirely on MY work”
So help me God, I’m not making up a word of this. And there is more, much more.
How many of the current teachers and “gurus” did ***I*** bring up from nothing and nowhere, who would be unknown if not for me?
I don’t go looking for trouble with people. But if people bring it to me, trouble will happen for them.
One more thing: I’ve been accused of being litiguous. The reality is that when it comes to business, I have only ever filed ONE lawsuit in my entire 1993(and this is something Neil got plain wrong in his book when he portrayed me as law-suit happy).
I have attorneys watching my intellectual property, and to be sure, they have issued stern warnings to people who infringe my trademark and my IP.
But for fucks-sake, this is my livelihood. It is how I put bread on my table. So let’s see the “ross is a fuckwad” folks see how they would feel if someone was taking the food off of their table. Would they cheefully welcome it? Or would they fight to defend what is theirs?
RJ
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RJ was the first:
to give seminars devoted to seduction
create seduction-related videos and CD’s
create an on-line community
Foster protГ©gГ©s
Do one-one-one mentoring
HE IS THE FOUNDER OF THIS ENTIRE MOVEMENT.
Yeah, i’m on rj’s side. i know he don’t like david d. buy mystery, ross, and david some of the only originals. others are juggler, real social dynamics (what they teach now, to me, is great in it own right) Gunwitch method, nowadays brad p. has some good stuff. but as for savoy, MM, (thundercat? anyone) and and MANY others-fuck’em. and savoy acts GAY literally HOMO-SEXUAL! mystery left cause savoy was trying to seduce him!