RSD is afraid of little ol’ me!
April 19, 2006 by Thundercat
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Wow, those RSD guys must have been pissing themselves. I JUST GOT a ceast and desist letter from their attourney. It was a total pile of BS.
You gotta love lawyers. They make simple Cease and Desist claims sound like your last rite.
Here’s the thing, why would anyone who had nothing to hide need a cease and decist? After all, these are RSD’s own words! Why would they be ashamed to have them in the public eye?
Maybe because… they’re UNETHICAL? They show IMMORAL TACTICS?
Anyway, I’m gonna comply with this sucker and take the offending documents offline. So you won’t be able to get them here any more. And since I was doing a public service and not profiting off this stuff, they don’t have a legal leg to stand on here.
BUT, this is what people do when they get scared they’re going to be revealed. They run to their lawyers and try to bully others into not speaking out. They hide behind the LAW so they can keep being unethical.
Let everyone know, that in my unprofessional opinion, that RSD knows what they do to students, but wants to keep everyone else from knowing about it.
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Can’t wait to get the MTV CELEBRITY DEATHMATCH Mystery vs. TD
lol there is so much stuff to use, mystery fighting with his pivots and TD amoging him hard.
Whoa, Mystery is one sick FUCK.
I can see why he charges his boot camps up the ass, this little fucker is desperate for TWO things, ONE is fame/Social proof, and 2 is MONEY.
Get the fuck out of here u little magician and stick to your biased one way thinking forum that bans any one that doesn’t suck your soft Abra kadabra dick.
Ray Gordon might be a nut case, but Mystery is right behind him. This guy sold his own method to the movies and STILL wants to charge ppl up the ass for a method that will be a house hold name once the movie/reality show comes out. What a sick freak, yea sure he will still get girls, but what about that ugly guy who bought all that peacocking outfit to impress the little bar sluts? will he get action?? tell us Mystery, will you be a Friend and let us fuck your hot babes like your friend did to you behind your back???….get out of here little wimp, you’re a fucking sell out and i don’t care what you say.
FOR the recored, i NEVER used any of your opinion openers, that you and style use. I have my own material and am livid at the fact that I have to keep changing it every
As much as I don’t like Ray I have to admit….
That was a good comeback Ray.
That was only a sample of Mystery’s selfish and erratic behavior. Back in the day Mystery and Ross Jeffries would attack my ideas and theories. It’s obvious as to why. He knew my ideas were sound and he wanted to expell me from the community so that he may MONOPOLIZE it and get rich. Well it worked Mystery, but once The Game hits main stream its GAME OVER. Then the masses will need a new guru with NEW ideas to lead the seduction community forward. And I’m ready for it. I have loads of NEW and FRESH theory ready to release when the time is right, only this time I’ll do it right so that immoral thieves like Mystery don’t rip it off, change some ideas, and pass it off as their own. Just remember who brought the community pivots, reverse time tables, gimmicks, and famous number close routine.
>hey fair IS fair. Ill ALLOW YOU to come into my set. but if you OFFEND ME or the girl, I will have the manager remove you forcefully from the club MM style. Fair? When do you want to disrupt my set? by the MINUTE or by the PHASE Im in? I need to establish enough comfort for her to bounce … a girl doesnt choose to fuck you until she first chooses to even KNOW you.
That’s not what I asked but if you’ll allow me to come into your set I’ll gladly bring my copy of the game so the girl can see what kind of lunatic she’s really getting involved with. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the only girls you are capable of pulling Mystery are bar sluts and trashy girls (regardless of if they are physically beautiful.) I have NOT yet seen you pull a truly classy woman. A genuine ten. Perhaps it’s because you aren’t capable of doing so. You’re just a reckless KID in a man’s body.
Let me clarify the same set challenge I proposed. It’s simple. Stripper A is at the bar. I approach first and work the set as far as I can. Then you approach the SAME girl and work her as far as you can. We do this for five different girls, record it on video, and the one who does better overall is proclaimed the winner. This way we’ll know you didn’t get lucky and stumble upon an easy bar slut, while I got stuck with a bitch. It’s the best way to see who is better.
I am more interested in the stakes Mystery. You still did not say you’d abide by my requests per your defeat. I WANT exposure. The exposure I deserved since 1998. You will pubically endorse me on your site, as well as admit defeat where I deem possible.
You can chose the stakes if I lose, so long as it doesn’t involve moronic things such my requirement to stop posting on OPEN and FREE newsgroups.
So… if Ray enters every set that Mystery is in 5 times, and Mystery doesn’t enter any sets that Ray is in that proves who is better?
Ray doesn’t want to open any sets on his own?
Can you open any sets on your own Ray? If so, you should be wanting to open sets to prove that you got game!
Your “method” isn’t good enough to handle bitches? You think you’ll get 5 bitches in a row?
What is a bitch to you? Is a woman a bitch just because she won’t talk to YOU? If so then you can see that this proves you are severely biased.
If not, you are hiding from proving YOURSELF.
To know who is better and who has the better method:
1 Both competitors should open an equal amount of sets
2 if you want to compete over the same women, both competitors should open sets and have the other guy come in.
Why do you not want to prove that you’re opening to close game is equal or better than Mystery’s?
Is your method REALLY better? If so, prove it by opening and closing. Let him open and close. Then you two try to steal a girl or two from each other.
It is impossible to prove that you are better than Mystery if you don’t perform in the same type of situations.
I believe that Ray should accept the challenge that Mystery has put forth to him by THE END of tonight.
If not, we know he’s not serious. And we’re the people who they want to prove to.
IF YOU DON’T ACCEPT BY THE END OF TONIGHT RAY, WE KNOW YOU’RE A BLOWHARD WHO DOESN’T WANT TO SHOW AND PROVE!
WE SHOULD ALL IGNORE ANY OTHER POSTS FROM RAY THAT DON’T INCLUDE THE WORDS “I ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE”
It’s just a waste of our time. Look how many posts have gone into this shit still with nothing accomplished.
So… if Ray enters every set that Mystery is in 5 times, and Mystery doesn’t enter any sets that Ray is in that proves who is better?
Ray doesn’t want to open any sets on his own?
Can you open any sets on your own Ray? If so, you should be wanting to open sets to prove that you got game!
Your “method” isn’t good enough to handle bitches? You think you’ll get 5 bitches in a row?
What is a bitch to you? Is a woman a bitch just because she won’t talk to YOU? If so then you can see that this proves you are severely biased.
If not, you are hiding from proving YOURSELF.
To know who is better and who has the better method:
1 Both competitors should open an equal amount of sets
2 if you want to compete over the same women, both competitors should open sets and have the other guy come in.
Why do you not want to prove that you’re opening to close game is equal or better than Mystery’s?
Is your method REALLY better? If so, prove it by opening and closing. Let him open and close. Then you two try to steal a girl or two from each other.
It is impossible to prove that you are better than Mystery if you don’t perform in the same type of situations.
I believe that Ray should accept the challenge that Mystery has put forth to him by THE END of tonight.
If not, we know he’s not serious. And we’re the people who they want to prove to.
IF YOU DON’T ACCEPT BY THE END OF TONIGHT RAY, WE KNOW YOU’RE A BLOWHARD WHO DOESN’T WANT TO SHOW AND PROVE!
WE SHOULD ALL IGNORE ANY OTHER POSTS FROM RAY THAT DON’T INCLUDE THE WORDS “I ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE”
It’s just a waste of our time. Look how many posts have gone into this shit still with nothing accomplished.
LOL wait, just WAIT. Ray you’re claiming that Mystery can pull ONLY bar sluts and trashy girls, that he cannot pull a truly classy woman. But then you’re talking about competing at a strip club, picking up STRIPPERS???? LMAO. Strippers are not classy. So how is your beating Mystery at picking them up going to prove your point?
Plus you don’t even need this competition to get the exposure you desire. There is enough community curiosity in seeing you in the field. Why don’t you go out with some well-known PUAs and show them what you’re capable of? Shit, that’s how all the good PUAs out there got established. Why haven’t you done the same?
“”"As much as I don’t like Ray I have to admit….
That was a good comeback Ray.
Posted by: Ray got one on Mystery | Apr 26, 2006 4:14:24 PM”"”
“”"That was only a sample of Mystery’s selfish and erratic behavior. Back in the day Mystery and Ross Jeffries would attack my ideas and theories… ” blah blah
Posted by: Ray Gordon | Apr 26, 2006 4:26:51 PM
^ Same Person ^
If you’re going to post as someone else who actually agree with you, try spacing the Time (4:14:24)first time, (4:26:51) second time.
Apart.
You moron.
12 minutes difference, just enough to write bigger second retarded follow up post.
Ray you’re a moron
Well ladies, I think I’m done reading this thread. THAT’S 45 minutes of my life I’ll never get back. I have only myself to blame.
What a pity everyone is still involved in these headgames. Luckily for me, I am ascending next week.
Misery, go back to your suicide clinic, you are a collosal waste of time.
Love – BS headgames = unconditional love.
Oh, squirting helps too.
-Steph
What a pity everyone is still involved in these headgames. Luckily for me, I am ascending next week.
Misery, go back to your suicide clinic, you are a collosal waste of time.
Love – BS headgames = unconditional love.
Oh, squirting helps too.
-Steph
What a pity everyone is still involved in these headgames. Luckily for me, I am ascending next week.
Misery, go back to your suicide clinic, you are a collosal waste of time.
Love – BS headgames = unconditional love.
Oh, squirting helps too.
-Steph
What a pity everyone is still involved in these headgames. Luckily for me, I am ascending next week.
Misery, go back to your suicide clinic, you are a collosal waste of time.
Love – BS headgames = unconditional love.
Oh, squirting helps too.
-Steph
What a pity everyone is still involved in these headgames. Luckily for me, I am ascending next week.
Misery, go back to your suicide clinic, you are a collosal waste of time.
Love – BS headgames = unconditional love.
Oh, squirting helps too.
-Steph
still no acception. and somebody’s right, this is a waste of time. Please don’t respond to any further posts to Ray if he doesn’t accept the challenge before midnight.
Here’s my challenge to Ray Gordon:
Pick any venue, any date, any time. All you have to do is show up and make an effort to pick up any girl there. Even the ugliest girl in the place.
Why? Because none of us believe any of your shit! We know you never leave your house. We know you have NEVER fucked a stripper. YOU ARE A FRAUD!
If this isn’t true, then pick any time and place, and someone here will meet you and verify that you are even able to leave your house.
If you arent willing to do that, then stop fucking posting here you fucking troll.
blablabla
this challenge is never going to happen.
ray gordon is a troll, mystery is a pro. that is it.
I’m not sure if you know this but fastseduction.com was created largely for MODERATION purposes (and Im sure Form wanted to show us his computer genius – very sophisticated stuff) and the #1 guy to BAN was Ray. Ray is the REASON for moderation … the reason for the m
And when we happen to find a small piece of unmoderated real estate, who do we find pissing on it? Mr. Ray Gordon.
>If you are the world’s best pua as you claim (which Im not saying you aren’t but I dont really know!) and you are a better magician than a pua as you stated, then are you the world’s best magician? just curious
>Are you going to produce any magic tv shows or videos that the masses can view?
>And lastly, what about the high society babes. You know the black tie dinners and a fork on the dinner table for everything.
Do you ever plan to address the super rich and stuckup people?
from what I know of the Hamptons, rich people are cool. They are conformist in many ways, but are bright people who enjoy the mix of American culture. Meaning, they listen to Eminem even in the Hamptons and fans of his there would love to meet him and have a pic taken. This P.Diddy rich.
Ray qoutes The Game:
>”I needed to get him Valium, Xanax, Vicodin, anything. I grabbed my phone book and scanned the pages for the people most likely to have pills — people like guys in rock bands, women who had just had plastic surgery, former child actors.”
Here’s what happened (Im explaining this more for my own fun). I was full out grieving (crying) over the loss of a girl (whom I thought had my baby) for 5 days straight (crying fits it turns out come in approximately 20 minutes waves of grieving for about 3 to 5 minutes. Very painful (feels like someone you love has died – my current GF has gone through this several times this week because she fears when she returns to london this weekend she’ll never see me again – sucks – but I need to gear up for a series of seminars and other engagements and having her tag along would make me pull my hair out of my head like Style). Style suggested pills which isnt my thing ordinarily but he said they’d help so I thought, “fuck it”, anything is better than this. (remember up until this point Id never even had a DRINK in my LIFE nevermind any pills). So instead of getting drugs off a friend, my sister (who worked for red cross in her past) suggested he take me for free drugs … which he did and I LOVED THEM! haa. They calmed me the FUCK down and I used them daily for a couple weeks. Then I ran out and had another GF who was HOT so the grieving thing just went away. I learned a LOT about how the brain just turns on and off certain circuits in response to specific social dynamic scenarios. And the circuitry is UBIQUITOUS. What that means is, if YOU were in MY position (within the SPECIFIC social scenario) your circuits would fire similarly (and Im thankful for this because all women share the SAME circuitry design which leads to my near zero miss game). A sleeping aid was enough to get me going out every night again (and getting laid the very next night I recall).
>REVEREND: “Well, they can have fun in a place where they’re not disturbing other residents.”
>MYSTERY: “I’ll tell you what. I’m going to go get a KNIFE and find out just who exactly should be in the hall when I get back.”
I love my nieces.
>Style then related what Mystery told him in an e-mail: “She proceeded to punch me several times. I had ro restrain her by grabbing her throat and flipping her to the ground.”
it stopped her. and we fucked later that night.
>On page 189, Style speaks about why Mystery felt so “suicidal.” “Living, he said, costs too much.” He then closed by saying that he “doesn’t want to be known as another Ross Jeffries.” (!!!!)
to think a suicide circuit exists in everyone of us (its there for evolutionarily advantageous reasons – not YOUR survival but the survival of one’s tribe). it sucks to go through that for a spell. the statistic for someone having experienced this at least once in life is, oh that right: close to 100%. I also get coldsore twice a year (70%, higher if you like to kiss girls).
>He said that if Katya “comes around when [Herbal] returns, [Mystery] will pound [Herbal]. It will be fast, hard, repetitive, and merciless.”
I have a long fuse. And if it ever gets short I solve things. I am a human animal afterall. People who know this about you respect you more (and women feel legitimately more protected). Ray respects that about me and our debates are far from getting anywhere CLOSE to that. this is just text so call me a dickhead or whatnot and use all the colorful language you need to express yourself no biggie. this is fun. he laying his case for backing out: he’s afraid of ME. Ray, so long as you dont fuck my GF you’ve safe.
>I can see why he charges his boot camps up the ass, this little fucker is desperate for TWO things, ONE is fame/Social proof, and 2 is MONEY.
in pursuit of finer things is attractive to women. desperate? no. interested? yes.
>Ray Gordon might be a nut case, but Mystery is right behind him. This guy sold his own method to the movies and STILL wants to charge ppl up the ass for a method that will be a house hold name once the movie/reality show comes out.
so if you see the movie The Game the method will be revealed? You are being silly.
>What a sick freak, yea sure he will still get girls, but what about that ugly guy who bought all that peacocking outfit to impress the little bar sluts? will he get action??
People PU without peacocking all the time. I like to peacock. Some of my friends experimented too. Your thought process disturbs me – like you are a teenager or something.
>tell us Mystery, will you be a Friend and let us fuck your hot babes like your friend did to you behind your back?
you realize Im a real person right? so a search on youtube to see what Im like. you are silly.
>??….get out of here little wimp, you’re a fucking sell out and i don’t care what you say.
dude, Im the GUY. According to ABC PRIMETIME, Im this community’s kingpin. And I believe, by money, media, method, testimonials, and woman, I am. did you wish to dispute any of these?
Id reply to Ray but at this point Im sure everyone here understands what we are dealing with. What time and in what city would you like us to do our 15 set challenge with?
(BTW, I AM confused about something: you want me to ONLY work girls who first me YOU? – my GF said, “baby stop typing now” so I think Im going to l8r
ray im ready for our 15 set challenge. 5 sets for you, 5 for me, and 5 silly sets where YOU go into the set FIRST and then I try to recover and any I cant you try again (or was it you want ME to go in first and then you disrupt my set 10 minutes in – although Id prefer 25 to tell her about you before you come in – only for the cams will i tolerate your presence in my set – just being SEEN with you and accepting your reality DLVs me but Im a good sport).
when do you reveal they are being filmed?
Ray Gordon.
The reason why you are not getting what you think you deserve is because you are stupid. And still you do not believe this to be so.
Even if Mystery and half the other companies were to retire right now! Do you think you would be able to get any market share? No. Because people would still think you are insane. And you would still not be able to argue points but go off on tangents unrelated to anything but what you are dreaming of in you head.
Don’t you realize the first step is to always make pple think you are eccentic and genius and not insane??
Go take a sales or persuasion course.
Hey everybody knows Mystery is a little loony, you typing posts on the fact won’t change that. But we also know he is smart and field experienced and has proven himself time and time again. That is the only reason why he is popular. Because unlike you, he actually shows up. And anyone can say anything about his methods but no one disputes that he is someone that does not hide away and makes himself visible and is willing to back up his claims.
You do not even have to be innovative to get a piece of the pie. Look at Derek Vitalio. He may not have to theorize much but at least he uses his bit of intelligence to stay in this business.
As i have said. The problem is that year after year, you use the same methods to try to prove yourself. Which have never ever worked to begin with.
Do you know why we know you are stupid and insane? Its because you have left your mark all over the internet and it is public for all to see. So don’t ask people what right they have to judge you. People will whether you like it or not.
And it is our opinion. You may be right and the world is wrong. Sure that is possible. But if you want to go against the opinions of the majority to gain status and popularity, i would have to say it is a technique that has never worked before. You are welcome to try for another 10 years.
Looking to ur replies that do not address the points as usual.
“my GF said, “baby stop typing now” so I think Im going to l8r”
Keep me out of this Mystery.
Start getting used to handling your own sets from now. As much as i liked rolling together with you, you should know that i can’t always be there for you.
Mystery, since you are reading this:
You should release a DVD with you sarging live. Such a DVD would sell well, you know that. Do it. I’ve seen a few bits of you sarging and it’s great to see your attitude. Very educational but always way too short.
I love your work and learned a lot from you man. Respect. I would take your workshop if I were living in the States.
agreed with the above^^
hey i m looking forward to the love songs album…
Mystery Writes:
“I’m not sure if you know this but was created largely for MODERATION purposes (and Im sure Form wanted to show us his computer genius – very sophisticated stuff) and the #1 guy to BAN was Ray. Ray is the REASON for moderation … the reason for the m….And when we happen to find a small piece of unmoderated real estate, who do we find pissing on it? Mr. Ray Gordon.”
Does Mystery know what ANTITRUST law is? It’s when businesses engage in anticompetitive behavior. Banning advertisers selectively (restraint of trade) is part of that, and one of the reasons I’m suing . It’s very easy to gain a competitive advantage when one’s competitors are excluded from a level playing field or getting their message out, and that’s one reason I filed suit. The PA case was dismissed for lack of jurisdiction, so I am appealing that and have “refiled” in Delaware.
It’s very easy for Mystery to talk about challenges when he can be unopposed by me on a site where I’m censored and where he’s paying affiliate commissions to the webmaster. There once was a time when people making purchasing decisions didn’t trust partial messages or the silencing of competitors, but internet crowds seem more forgiving of it (the ones who know, anyway).
In fact, in most industries, when competing businesses form a “community” the legal term is usually TRUST or CARTEL, and these are generally illegal, because they reduce competition and tend to inflate prices. I charge $19.95 for LIFETIME ADVICE, which means no matter how much the “game” changes, my readers (the ones who were smart enough to buy while I still offer it) won’t be charged for an endless succession of products from the same source. A guru who can claim to fix your love life should be able to do it for one fixed price, or he should admit that you may have to buy additional stuff in the future.
>>>If you are the world’s best pua as you claim (which Im not saying you aren’t but I dont really know!) and you are a better magician than a pua as you stated, then are you the world’s best magician? just curious Are you going to produce any magic tv shows or videos that the masses can view? And lastly, what about the high society babes. You know the black tie dinners and a fork on the dinner table for everything.
Do you ever plan to address the super rich and stuckup people?>>>>> (Quoted by Mystery)
From Mystery:
“from what I know of the Hamptons, rich people are cool.”
If you overlook the people whose rights they step on, perhaps. The camel-eye-needle thing from the Bible was generally spot on, as any REVEREND might be able to say when he’s not being threatened with the use of a KNIFE by some crybaby who didn’t like a tenant in the complex he was staying at complaining about the noise.
“They are conformist in many ways, but are bright people who enjoy the mix of American culture. Meaning, they listen to Eminem even in the Hamptons and fans of his there would love to meet him and have a pic taken. This P.Diddy rich.”
“New Money” tends to lack class.
>>>>>Ray qoutes The Game:
>”I needed to get him Valium, Xanax, Vicodin, anything. I grabbed my phone book and scanned the pages for the people most likely to have pills — people like guys in rock bands, women who had just had plastic surgery, former child actors.”>>>> (Mystery quoting me).
“Here’s what happened (Im explaining this more for my own fun). I was full out grieving (crying) over the loss of a girl (whom I thought had my baby) for 5 days straight (crying fits it turns out come in approximately 20 minutes waves of grieving for about 3 to 5 minutes.”
Meet your ALPHA, folks….crying like a BABY over a chick he had unprotected (and high-risk) sex with.
“Very painful (feels like someone you love has died – my current GF has gone through this several times this week because she fears when she returns to london this weekend she’ll never see me again – sucks – but I need to gear up for a series of seminars and other engagements and having her tag along would make me pull my hair out of my head like Style).”
So the girlfriend WORKS for (or with) him? Interesting. Most women require PAYMENT of some sort to spend full days assisting seminars. If she lives with him (or did), is (was) she paying half the rent? A guy with money and fame getting laid is NOT game, no matter what spin someone tries to put on it. Where does Mystery get his money and fame from? The men he teaches getting laid to. The money he gets from his students (and his role as a guru) make him more desirable to women.
Did Mystery ever tell you folks I have copyrights that PROVE I was the first guy to use the term pivot, and who coined the concept in my very first book, Outfoxing The Foxes? ASF practically became alt.seduction.pivot after that. Half the lays in this community probably resulted from that one concept alone. I have NEW THEORY and NEW CONCEPTS that are as or MORE powerful than the pivot, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to share it with any ingrates who haven’t gotten around to thanking me for the first help I gave them.
Oh yeah, back to Mystery’s rant:
“Style suggested pills which isnt my thing ordinarily but he said they’d help so I thought, “fuck it”, anything is better than this.”
I can almost hear “That’s what friends are for” playing in the background!
“(remember up until this point Id never even had a DRINK in my LIFE nevermind any pills).”
Because of his pathetic father or something, right?
“So instead of getting drugs off a friend, my sister (who worked for red cross in her past) suggested he take me for free drugs … which he did and I LOVED THEM! haa. They calmed me the FUCK down and I used them daily for a couple weeks. Then I ran out and had another GF who was HOT so the grieving thing just went away. I learned a LOT about how the brain just turns on and off certain circuits in response to specific social dynamic scenarios. And the circuitry is UBIQUITOUS. What that means is, if YOU were in MY position (within the SPECIFIC social scenario) your circuits would fire similarly”
1. I don’t get into “situations” like that; and 2. Some of us have control over our emotions so we don’t threaten Reverends with knives, or threaten to put roommates through plate glass when they fuck our girlfriends. That is just pathetic excuse-making.
“(and Im thankful for this because all women share the SAME circuitry design which leads to my near zero miss game). A sleeping aid was enough to get me going out every night again (and getting laid the very next night I recall).”
Any idiot can get laid. Women who fuck guys they just met tend to be very idiotic sluts, by the way, and they tend to be horrible game-players.
>>>>>REVEREND: “Well, they can have fun in a place where they’re not disturbing other residents.”
>MYSTERY: “I’ll tell you what. I’m going to go get a KNIFE and find out just who exactly should be in the hall when I get back.”< <>>>
From Mystery:
“I love my nieces.”
As if that were justification for threatening a Reverend IN HIS HOME, when all he did was complain about the noise a GUEST was making.
>>>>>Style then related what Mystery told him in an e-mail: “She proceeded to punch me several times. I had ro restrain her by grabbing her throat and flipping her to the ground.”< <<<>>>>
From Mystery:
“it stopped her. and we fucked later that night.”
He alleges all the options in the world, and this is what he chose? Was this before or after he threatened Herbal?
>>>>>>On page 189, Style speaks about why Mystery felt so “suicidal.” “Living, he said, costs too much.” He then closed by saying that he “doesn’t want to be known as another Ross Jeffries.” (!!!!)>>>>>(Mystery quoting me).
From Mystery:
“to think a suicide circuit exists in everyone of us (its there for evolutionarily advantageous reasons – not YOUR survival but the survival of one’s tribe). it sucks to go through that for a spell.”
When one says “life is too expensive” and talks about killing themselves, they’re whining. And over what exactly? Oh yeah, he didn’t have enough MONEY (“life is too expensive” he said). What a fucking spineless little wuss. I guess now that he’s getting his way, he isn’t suicidal.
“the statistic for someone having experienced this at least once in life is, oh that right: close to 100%. I also get coldsore twice a year (70%, higher if you like to kiss girls).”
Even higher if they are club trash or golddiggers.
>>>>>>He said that if Katya “comes around when [Herbal] returns, [Mystery] will pound [Herbal]. It will be fast, hard, repetitive, and merciless.”>>>>> (Mystery quoting me).
From Mystery:
“I have a long fuse. And if it ever gets short I solve things.”
Yeah, with his MOUTH, and only to those who are stupid and buy into his wannabe-toughguy ACT. This time, he’s WHINING about losing his girlfriend to his ROOMMATE (another example of great game from the Alpha), and attempting to explain making violent threats against others. Doesn’t sound like a very mature man or one with very good game, that’s for sure.
This is also one reason ANY challenge I engage in against Mystery would have to be filmed, in a safe public place, and have a major media outfit and their crew as witnesses.
Fact is, I’m not beholden to the whims of some violent wannabe-alpha, and if he ever thinks I am, he’ll learn quickly why I am not.
“I am a human animal afterall. People who know this about you respect you more (and women feel legitimately more protected).”
Who protects her from her protectors? Maybe Nicole Simpson though this about OJ. Women are pretty *stupid* when it comes to stuff like this, and hot women can be just as stupid, so for a man who can beat up others, it might be a legitimate “gaming” strategy, but it’s hardly original.
I didn’t realize Katya needed “protection” from her exercise of her free will to choose to fuck Herbal. Then again, any man who would fight over a woman is the ultimate AFC to begin with, but so is one who uses money and status to attract.
“Ray respects that about me and our debates are far from getting anywhere CLOSE to that.”
Mystery is trying to subcommunicate that I would somehow be intimmidated by his temper tantrums. I can assure him that’s not the case. HE is the one who “respects” the fact that even HINTING at threatening me would be the biggest mistake of his life, which is why he tries backdoor pussy shit to try to demonstrate how tough he wants you to think he is.
As Style showed so clearly in “The Game,” Mystery is a crying little baby when he doesn’t get his way, and when he can, he uses his mouth to do what his mind or his body cannot (i.e., cause others to fear him). He seems to think it’s “respect” for his nonexistent physical prowess when I choose to use logic to refute him rather than throw a temper tantrum like the ones talked about in “The Game.”
“this is just text so call me a dickhead or whatnot and use all the colorful language you need to express yourself no biggie. this is fun. he laying his case for backing out: he’s afraid of ME. Ray, so long as you dont fuck my GF you’ve safe.”
Well it’d have to be consensual (other than that it’s rape), but I’m just as safe even if I do, just as Herbal was just as safe. Stick to threatening people who actually fear you, you’re getting into territory you really don’t want to, trust me.
>>>>>>I can see why he charges his boot camps up the ass, this little fucker is desperate for TWO things, ONE is fame/Social proof, and 2 is MONEY.>>>>>(Mystery quoting another)>
“in pursuit of finer things is attractive to women. desperate? no. interested? yes.”
Yet another example of his AFC thinking: “the finer things” is just sugar-coating the use of money to pursue GOLDDIGGERS.
How amusing that this TODDLER talks about “creating an identity” when that was the essence of my first book, Outfoxing The Foxes. There, and in subsequent books, I even talked about the “guru gimmick.” In fact, I got into being a “seduction guru” specifically so that when women asked me what I did for a living, I could say “I teach men how to get laid by beautiful women, and teach beautiful women how to avoid the men I teach.” Mystery runs the “guru gimmick” to perfection, that’s for sure.
>>>>Ray Gordon might be a , but Mystery is right behind him. This guy sold his own method to the movies and STILL wants to charge ppl up the ass for a method that will be a house hold name once the movie/reality show comes out.>>>>>>(Mystery quoting another).
“so if you see the movie The Game the method will be revealed? You are being silly.”
Good GOD, does *anyone* here understand women? The more the “game” hits the mainstream, the greater the hit to women’s reputations. The underlying beliefs upon which “game” is based — that women lie to men about what they want, that they fuck guys they just met even when they say otherwise, and that they fall for these “methods” — is not something a woman is going to want to be associated with. The plausible deniability that she’s “not like that” is disappearing rapidly, just as the number of guys “gaming” her is increasing. These books on “game” are effectively painting women as dumb sluts who are at the whims of these “PUAs.”
The problem is that the PUA is like a virus that depends on the AFC host to survive. In a simple example where the wife of a rich AFC fucks the UPS driver, if the AFC wises up and doesn’t marry her, she doesn’t have the luxury that lets her fuck the UPS driver, and since the UPS driver can’t afford the house she wants to live in, she’s fucked.
Reputation is EVERYTHING to women, and these books are destroying the collective reputation of attractive women, and they are draining AFC resources from these women, since an AFC who wises up is an AFC who no longer gives her time, attention and money unless she puts out. Even if she swears she’s “not like that” the AFC isn’t going to believe her and he will treat her like a slut “just in case she’s lying.” Women do this all the time, being on guard with men “just in case” the man is bad or whatever (like if he would threaten beat up another guy if she dared to leave him or cheat on him, for example).
You think Mystery doesn’t know this? A lot of what he teaches now is classic AFC: “protect women” means nothing without force to back up the protection or the mouth, and that’s pure AFC, while “survival and replication resources” is just a fancy way of saying to use money to attract. “Identity” is a derivative of this, and just a way of subcommunicating protection or money (or entertainment/interesting lifestyle/connections). The problem here is that this won’t work for the masses, because for every chief you need dozens of indians. Then again, at $2,000+ a shot for live instruction, one need only teach the chiefs, men who should have been able to get laid on money alone (give me $1 million to play with and even Mystery would drop his jaw, and I’d have the results on film).
The reason I don’t have a ton of money is simple: other than being a civil rights activist first and foremost (those “hired sluts” Mystery is so fond of profit from job discrimination against ugly, older and fat women, who count as “women” to me if not to anyone else, and I sue employers over the hiring, while the slut trash has no problem stealing jobs from other women — as if I’d want a woman who was that morally bankrupt for anything but an ONS — these women are “preselected” for one key trait, the ability to profit from criminal behavior without guilt), I have never needed money to get laid. Someone here said he didn’t think I fucked strippers when I have not only done that and could do it again, but I’ve also had strippers offer to BUY ME VIP LOUNGES, as well as having their AFC suckers buy me drinks so I wouldn’t feel left out at the club, like the night I took a $20 bill in at 7:00 p.m. and closed the place).
Here are the main arguments he and others have given as to why mainstream exposure doesn’t matter, and here is my refutation of each argument:
1. “People were having sex long before the community, and will continue to have sex.” Sounds great, but if all this sex was occurring prior to the “game,” then why did we need the methods (like MY pivot concept) in the first place? People still win at Blackjack without card-counting, but that doesn’t mean that Beat The Dealer didn’t put a lot of “professional blackjack players” out of business.
2. “95 percent of the men who find these methods won’t do the work. You see books on fitness, but people are still obese.” Bad analogy, because the type of work it takes to get in shape is far greater than adjusting one’s behavior towards women once they learn the proper cause-and-effect sequences that form the methods. Now, will those 95 percent of men who FAIL please raise their hands? Sounds like they could use some NEW THEORY that doesn’t require them to be rich (S&R resources), “cool,” or whatever to get laid. Perhaps these gurus can tell these 95 percent of men BEFORE they spend their money that they aren’t likely to benefit from the work.
3. “Even if she knows you are using the methods, they’ll work anyway.” Really? Then why were the methods ever necessary at all? If it comes down to the pathetic “inner game” they speak of, which is just an excuse for blaming the student if he fails, then we have to rule out men who don’t have their shit together, i.e., who aren’t earning a lot of money and haven’t conformed enough to be popular. and who aren’t physically violent enough to back up their “alpha” persona. Never mind what happens as more and more juiced-up wannabe “alphas” start colliding in the field and both are told not to back down by their “gurus.” The only time the methods work when the woman knows they are being used is when she would have wanted you anyway. Golddiggers will engage a rich man in ANY fantasy he has if the price is right, and that includes feigning attraction to him.
4. “Women are hard-wired to respond to these methods.” Even if this is true, which it isn’t (women are responding to the ILLUSION created by the PUA, and when that ILLUSION is shattered, so is the PUA), if 1000 times as many men are using the methods on her, then either the methods aren’t working, OR the women will become as scarce as parking spaces in NYC, having been claimed by another man who previously gamed her. You can’t have it both ways: either the methods are unstoppable and the woman goes to the first man to game her properly, or if the women are still on the market, then they are immune. The idea that the methods work so well and can be used by so many without the supply of available women doesn’t add up any more than saying that everyone will be richer if we print more money.
>>>>>What a sick freak, yea sure he will still get girls, but what about that ugly guy who bought all that peacocking outfit to impress the little bar sluts? will he get action??>>>>(Mystery quoting someone else).
From Mystery:
“People PU without peacocking all the time. I like to peacock. Some of my friends experimented too. Your thought process disturbs me – like you are a teenager or something.”
This from the man who threatened a reverend with a knife and threatened to throw his roommate through plate-glass. Priceless!
The guy wasn’t talking about peacocking, but rather about how a newbie can enjoy the same benefits now that were available years ago when every guy under the sun didn’t have “game.”
There is an old saying that when your cabdriver gives you stock tips, it’s time to get out of the market. Well, if your cabdriver claims to have “game” you can be pretty sure it’s GAME OVER as well.
>>>>>>tell us Mystery, will you be a Friend and let us fuck your hot babes like your friend did to you behind your back?>>>>> (Mystery quoting another)
From Mystery:
“you realize Im a real person right? so a search on youtube to see what Im like. you are silly.”
Better to insult the man than dwell on how Herbal fucked your girlfriend even if you claim to have such strong “game.”
Did Ania go back to her fiance yet?
>>>>>??….get out of here little wimp, you’re a fucking sell out and i don’t care what you say.< <<<>>>>>>>>>
“dude, Im the GUY. According to ABC PRIMETIME, Im this community’s kingpin.”
Actually, that’s according to Style, who has profited immensely from his association with Mystery and vice versa. Style is the guy whose girlfriend was seen with Robbie Williams ON VALENTINE’S DAY, and the one who claims to have fucked dozens of fame-hungry LA women who apparently lost their appetite for fame after his book came out (not a SINGLE one of these “fame hungry” women has stepped forward to explain her side of how Style “seduced” her; all we have so far is some Daily News chick claiming she shared some Chinese Food with Style in his NYC apartment).
“And I believe, by money, media, method, testimonials, and woman, I am. did you wish to dispute any of these?”
Benny Hinn makes a fortune doing his faith-healing thing. Should we now be convinced that faith healing works? He’s on TV all the time too, and has tons of great testimonials. John Gray even has more, and he married Barbara DeAngelis. What then?
The mainstream media doesn’t reflect the internet, but rather chooses someone to throw at the public. Even in a best-case scenario, all of this that Mystery has was built in the era BEFORE MAINSTREAM EXPOSURE. Guys today want to know what will work TOMORROW, not what worked in the past. Check out the number of guys who now pretend they aren’t part of the community when they get caught using material if you want to see how bad it’s about to get for the men who don’t see the firestorm brewing.
What the mainstream exposure will ultimately do is show every AFC how the PUAs have been picking their pockets. The disbelief you see from AFC men, and the interest you see from women in “game,” is based on disbelief from the men, and novelty from the women. The FIRST time a woman catches a guy using game on her, she might be intrigued, but not the hundredth (even if she is, she’s not on the market by then). The AFC who disbelieves usually goes back to his AFC ways in order to “prove” the PUAs wrong, but then he realizes that they weren’t wrong, and he comes back, converted. Look at all the newbies who say that at first, they didn’t believe what they read, but then they got confirmation of it, and came back.
“Id reply to Ray but at this point Im sure everyone here understands what we are dealing with.”
Typical pathetic AMOGing. Normally, that’s considered a DLV. Exempting Mystery from that standard doesn’t invalidate the standard, but rather it just shows bias in the audience.
This is why I started writing chess books. I can teach REAL GAME (Chess is THE game) to people and charge roughly the same prices for e-books and personal instruction, without the downside that comes with playing women or dealing with loser AFCs. I can use my NEW THEORY to get laid without worrying about not getting credit for my work, or having others devalue my methods through use.
Mystery TALKS about chess a lot, because it makes him sound intelligent. I train FULL TIME at chess and was a highly ranked TOURNAMENT player years ago (I reached 2000 USCF within two years of joining the federation and was on the way to becoming a GM before I quit, to get laid!). I even had CHESS GROUPIES.
Chessplayers deal with the problems of mainstream exposure of their secrets all the time, and there’s no getting around that it will become harder for EVERYONE once a winning move is published. You’re already seeing this happen a little, but don’t be fooled. You think because the information has been around for years that it would have run its course in changing the public by now, but that’s not how it works. The public are a bunch of SHEEP who won’t listen to the message until the “big media” tells them to. “The Game” was really the first step in this process, and Mystery’s book is only going to exacerbate this.
>>>>>”What time and in what city would you like us to do our 15 set challenge with?
(BTW, I AM confused about something: you want me to ONLY work girls who first me YOU? – my GF said, “baby stop typing now” so I think Im going to l8r>>>>>
This isn’t a 15 set challenge. It’s a challenge to do an ON-CAMERA contest at a STRIP CLUB. We get a table, set up a chessboard (since Mystery loves chess so much, though I only play on regulation size boards and with regulation pieces, i.e., a 3.75″ king), and let the dancers come to us, which means we are dealing WITH THE SAME WOMEN, AT THE SAME TIME. Someone with Mystery’s massive media connections could surely arrange to have this filmed…if he WANTED to.
As I said before, I’d like to see how the strippers respond to the knowledge that Mystery is teaching men how to fuck dancers they meet in their clubs (something the dancers deny), and what they think of his advice about not staying long or spending much money in the club. Even if he somehow won that challenge, I would have strippers going on record that they DO fuck customers, and that would dry up their tip pool pretty damn quick.
>>>>>”ray im ready for our 15 set challenge. 5 sets for you, 5 for me, and 5 silly sets where YOU go into the set FIRST and then I try to recover and any I cant you try again (or was it you want ME to go in first and then you disrupt my set 10 minutes in – although Id prefer 25 to tell her about you before you come in – only for the cams will i tolerate your presence in my set – just being SEEN with you and accepting your reality DLVs me but Im a good sport).>>>>>
Notice Mystery claiming he wants to badmouth me (AMOG), which is another example of how BETA he is. Guess his “game” isn’t so strong if he feels the need to resort to something like that, but then again, I already use his badmouthing of me as one of the reasons I don’t tip strippers in their clubs (and I tell the strippers about how he is teaching other men not to tip), so maybe they’d see it as him just trying to silence dissent.
Then again, maybe he’s just covering his FEAR similar to the one that if I talked to his girlfriend for an hour she might not want him after that; wouldn’t shock me. For all his claims about how great she is, she doesn’t seem too good at making arguments for that herself!
Note also that he talks about being seen with people as crucial to his “game” or his rep. That’s how social climbers operate, and it’s rather selfish and immature behavior. It also shows another limitation of his “teachings” because it IS possible for guys who aren’t popular or rich (or even that interesting) to get laid. Maybe Mystery is modeling Phil Jackson in that regard, who for years only coached teams that already had the best players.
>>>when do you reveal they are being filmed?<<<<
This would be done with full knowledge of the strippers that it’s being done on film. Only a liar or someone with something to hide would have a problem with that, and I’m more than game to do this on camera. Don’t hold your breath waiting for Mystery to set this up, however.
You spent so much time on that last post, Ray, that I almost feel as if I should read it.
Ray, you are gay. When ever i meet someone that i don’t like from now on, i’m going to call that person ‘Gay Ray’.
In summery, Ray you are gay.
…can i get an amen?
I realise that I spelt summary ‘summery’.
In conclusion, Gay Ray, you’re an AFC.
Would someone please give Ray money for a sandwich and a few dollars for a skanky hooker, so he’ll go away.
Ray, you should go in a strip club, pour petrol over your head and torch yourself in protest at the treatment you’ve received.
Does Mystery know what ANTITRUST law is? It’s when businesses engage in anticompetitive behavior. Banning advertisers selectively (restraint of trade) is part of that, and one of the reasons I’m suing . It’s very easy to gain a competitive advantage when one’s competitors are excluded from a level playing field or getting their message out, and that’s one reason I filed suit.
Fastseduction.com was formed because of you…you idiot.
People could no longer have meaningful discussions on alt.seduction.fast because of YOU.
Posters disgreed with your methods and you flew into a rage trying to destroy others methods….you are still trying to do it to this day.
You are banned because of your behavior.
Ray no one likes you or your unworkable method. I’ve watched the seduction community for 7 years, I’ve NEVER heard of anyone using your method.
I know you coined the term pivot, but what good is it if you don’t know what to say?
Guys the reason Ray never built upon the existing methods out there is because he could not understand how they worked. So he came up with …something…I could never figure out what it is…then he started attacking the existing methods.
I’ve read his stuff, and to be honest..to me, its general stuff. I’ve yet to find anything in it that teaches you how to interact with women.
Could it be because Ray doesn’t know how to interact with women? He sure as how doesn’t know how to interact with men. hmmmm.
HE WILL NOT MEET MYSTERY OR ANYONE ELSE.
He knows he does not stand a chance.
He tried this same shit with gunwitch.
Hey Mystery,
you are saying that there is a video where you sarged a stripper for Discovery Channel. What Episode is it, can you download it from somewhere in the web?
Would be cool to see you in Action. I was looking in the MM-Board but couldn’t find any related info.
“They are conformist in many ways, but are bright people who enjoy the mix of American culture. Meaning, they listen to Eminem even in the Hamptons and fans of his there would love to meet him and have a pic taken. This P.Diddy rich.”
“New Money” tends to lack class.
What would YOU know about money????
So the girlfriend WORKS for (or with) him? Interesting. Most women require PAYMENT of some sort to spend full days assisting seminars. If she lives with him (or did), is (was) she paying half the rent? A guy with money and fame getting laid is NOT game, no matter what spin someone tries to put on it. Where does Mystery get his money and fame from? The men he teaches getting laid to. The money he gets from his students (and his role as a guru) make him more desirable to women.
Ray has no idea what a relationship is or how it works.
Did Mystery ever tell you folks I have copyrights that PROVE I was the first guy to use the term pivot, and who coined the concept in my very first book, Outfoxing The Foxes? ASF practically became alt.seduction.pivot after that. Half the lays in this community probably resulted from that one concept alone. I have NEW THEORY and NEW CONCEPTS that are as or MORE powerful than the pivot, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to share it with any ingrates who haven’t gotten around to thanking me for the first help I gave them.
You constantly hold a carrot in front of the horse, but the horse knows its rotten.
Oh yeah, back to Mystery’s rant:
“Style suggested pills which isnt my thing ordinarily but he said they’d help so I thought, “fuck it”, anything is better than this.”
I can almost hear “That’s what friends are for” playing in the background!
I know you can’t understand what friends are, since you have never had any. See how socially inept this guy is??
“(remember up until this point Id never even had a DRINK in my LIFE nevermind any pills).”
Because of his pathetic father or something, right?
Lets talk about your father….lol.
“So instead of getting drugs off a friend, my sister (who worked for red cross in her past) suggested he take me for free drugs … which he did and I LOVED THEM! haa. They calmed me the FUCK down and I used them daily for a couple weeks. Then I ran out and had another GF who was HOT so the grieving thing just went away. I learned a LOT about how the brain just turns on and off certain circuits in response to specific social dynamic scenarios. And the circuitry is UBIQUITOUS. What that means is, if YOU were in MY position (within the SPECIFIC social scenario) your circuits would fire similarly”
1. I don’t get into “situations” like that; and 2. Some of us have control over our emotions so we don’t threaten Reverends with knives, or threaten to put roommates through plate glass when they fuck our girlfriends. That is just pathetic excuse-makin
You have no emotions except for rage Ray.
“(and Im thankful for this because all women share the SAME circuitry design which leads to my near zero miss game). A sleeping aid was enough to get me going out every night again (and getting laid the very next night I recall).”
Any idiot can get laid. Women who fuck guys they just met tend to be very idiotic sluts, by the way, and they tend to be horrible game-players.
Ray cant understand the power of the method.
“to think a suicide circuit exists in everyone of us (its there for evolutionarily advantageous reasons – not YOUR survival but the survival of one’s tribe). it sucks to go through that for a spell.”
When one says “life is too expensive” and talks about killing themselves, they’re whining. And over what exactly? Oh yeah, he didn’t have enough MONEY (“life is too expensive” he said). What a fucking spineless little wuss. I guess now that he’s getting his way, he isn’t suicidal.
How many times on asf did you threaten to kill yourself?….
This is also one reason ANY challenge I engage in against Mystery would have to be filmed, in a safe public place, and have a major media outfit and their crew as witnesses.
Fact is, I’m not beholden to the whims of some violent wannabe-alpha, and if he ever thinks I am, he’ll learn quickly why I am not.
Laughing, you are the biggest pussy around Ray.
“Ray respects that about me and our debates are far from getting anywhere CLOSE to that.”
Mystery is trying to subcommunicate that I would somehow be intimmidated by his temper tantrums. I can assure him that’s not the case. HE is the one who “respects” the fact that even HINTING at threatening me would be the biggest mistake of his life, which is why he tries backdoor pussy shit to try to demonstrate how tough he wants you to think he is.
Yeah yeah, biggest mistake of his life….we’ve heard that one a million times.
“this is just text so call me a dickhead or whatnot and use all the colorful language you need to express yourself no biggie. this is fun. he laying his case for backing out: he’s afraid of ME. Ray, so long as you dont fuck my GF you’ve safe.”
Well it’d have to be consensual (other than that it’s rape), but I’m just as safe even if I do, just as Herbal was just as safe. Stick to threatening people who actually fear you, you’re getting into territory you really don’t want to, trust me.
Lol, who would fuck you ray?
>>>>>>I can see why he charges his boot camps up the ass, this little fucker is desperate for TWO things, ONE is fame/Social proof, and 2 is MONEY.>>>>>(Mystery quoting another)>
You are the one obsessed over money…lol..the lack thereof.
Yet another example of his AFC thinking: “the finer things” is just sugar-coating the use of money to pursue GOLDDIGGERS. How amusing that this TODDLER talks about “creating an identity” when that was the essence of my first book, Outfoxing The Foxes. There, and in subsequent books, I even talked about the “guru gimmick.” In fact, I got into being a “seduction guru” specifically so that when women asked me what I did for a living, I could say “I teach men how to get laid by beautiful women, and teach beautiful women how to avoid the men I teach.” Mystery runs the “guru gimmick” to perfection, that’s for sure.
Laughing, priceless…you a guru….oh god..lol.
“so if you see the movie The Game the method will be revealed? You are being silly.”
Good GOD, does *anyone* here understand women? The more the “game” hits the mainstream, the greater the hit to women’s reputations. The underlying beliefs upon which “game” is based — that women lie to men about what they want, that they fuck guys they just met even when they say otherwise, and that they fall for these “methods” — is not something a woman is going to want to be associated with. The plausible deniability that she’s “not like that” is disappearing rapidly, just as the number of guys “gaming” her is increasing. These books on “game” are effectively painting women as dumb sluts who are at the whims of these “PUAs.”
Yes we understand women, but you do not. We all understand that no book or movie will change anything. Its been proved over and over. This is a blind hope of yours that somehow it will lead men to the trash you put out. What you don’t understand is that when they read it…..nevermind.
The problem is that the PUA is like a virus that depends on the AFC host to survive. In a simple example where the wife of a rich AFC fucks the UPS driver, if the AFC wises up and doesn’t marry her, she doesn’t have the luxury that lets her fuck the UPS driver, and since the UPS driver can’t afford the house she wants to live in, she’s fucked.
You have the most warped sense of logic Ive even seen in a man.
The reason I don’t have a ton of money is simple: other than being a civil rights activist first and foremost (those “hired sluts” Mystery is so fond of profit from job discrimination against ugly, older and fat women, who count as “women” to me if not to anyone else, and I sue employers over the hiring, while the slut trash has no problem stealing jobs from other women — as if I’d want a woman who was that morally bankrupt for anything but an ONS — these women are “preselected” for one key trait, the ability to profit from criminal behavior without guilt), I have never needed money to get laid. Someone here said he didn’t think I fucked strippers when I have not only done that and could do it again, but I’ve also had strippers offer to BUY ME VIP LOUNGES, as well as having their AFC suckers buy me drinks so I wouldn’t feel left out at the club, like the night I took a $20 bill in at 7:00 p.m. and closed the place).
Lies upon lies….laughing.
1. “People were having sex long before the community, and will continue to have sex.” Sounds great, but if all this sex was occurring prior to the “game,” then why did we need the methods (like MY pivot concept) in the first place? People still win at Blackjack without card-counting, but that doesn’t mean that Beat The Dealer didn’t put a lot of “professional blackjack players” out of business.
No sense in trying to explain this to you, its been tried a 100 times.
2. “95 percent of the men who find these methods won’t do the work. You see books on fitness, but people are still obese.” Bad analogy, because the type of work it takes to get in shape is far greater than adjusting one’s behavior towards women once they learn the proper cause-and-effect sequences that form the methods.
Learning seduction isn’t easy ray, that’s why you cant do it.
3. “Even if she knows you are using the methods, they’ll work anyway.” Really? Then why were the methods ever necessary at all?
We’ve tried to explain this as well to you….you cant get it.
3. “Women are hard-wired to respond to these methods.” Even if this is true, which it isn’t (women are responding to the ILLUSION created by the PUA, and when that ILLUSION is shattered, so is the PUA), if 1000 times as many men are using the methods on her, then either the methods aren’t working, OR the women will become as scarce as parking spaces in NYC, having been claimed by another man who previously gamed her.
Yep its true ray…sorry.
There is an old saying that when your cabdriver gives you stock tips, it’s time to get out of the market. Well, if your cabdriver claims to have “game” you can be pretty sure it’s GAME OVER as well.
Only for you Ray.
“Id reply to Ray but at this point Im sure everyone here understands what we are dealing with.”
Typical pathetic AMOGing. Normally, that’s considered a DLV. Exempting Mystery from that standard doesn’t invalidate the standard, but rather it just shows bias in the audience.
Everyone knows what you are Ray.
This is why I started writing chess books. I can teach REAL GAME (Chess is THE game) to people and charge roughly the same prices for e-books and personal instruction, without the downside that comes with playing women or dealing with loser AFCs. I can use my NEW THEORY to get laid without worrying about not getting credit for my work, or having others devalue my methods through use.
Stick with chess ray, be even them the chess guys say you are a flop.
Mystery TALKS about chess a lot, because it makes him sound intelligent. I train FULL TIME at chess and was a highly ranked TOURNAMENT player years ago (I reached 2000 USCF within two years of joining the federation and was on the way to becoming a GM before I quit, to get laid!). I even had CHESS GROUPIES.
Lol..chess groupies……what teenage boys with glasses?
Notice Mystery claiming he wants to badmouth me (AMOG), which is another example of how BETA he is. Guess his “game” isn’t so strong if he feels the need to resort to something like that, but then again, I already use his badmouthing of me as one of the reasons I don’t tip strippers in their clubs (and I tell the strippers about how he is teaching other men not to tip), so maybe they’d see it as him just trying to silence dissent.
Are you here cursing like a sailer?…idiot.
Then again, maybe he’s just covering his FEAR similar to the one that if I talked to his girlfriend for an hour she might not want him after that; wouldn’t shock me. For all his claims about how great she is, she doesn’t seem too good at making arguments for that herself!
She would just laugh at you like all other women have…or maybe toss a drink in your face.
Note also that he talks about being seen with people as crucial to his “game” or his rep. That’s how social climbers operate, and it’s rather selfish and immature behavior. It also shows another limitation of his “teachings” because it IS possible for guys who aren’t popular or rich (or even that interesting) to get laid. Maybe Mystery is modeling Phil Jackson in that regard, who for years only coached teams that already had the best players.
What would you know about modeling?
>>>when do you reveal they are being filmed?<<<<
This would be done with full knowledge of the strippers that it’s being done on film. Only a liar or someone with something to hide would have a problem with that, and I’m more than game to do this on camera. Don’t hold your breath waiting for Mystery to set this up, however.
Don’t hold your breath that Ray will ever show up….hes full of shit and we all know it. Ray ..you are such the LOSER.
So Ray, let’s summarize here:
You WERE the genius who came first with key seduction concepts, BUT THEN you were ostracized, in an evil plot masterminded by Formhandle.
You WERE on your way to become a Chess Grand Master, BUT THEN you decided to “quit to get laid”.
You DON’T have much money, BUT THEN again that’s because with your good heart, you focus on civil activism “first and foremost”.
See the pattern ?
There is always an external reason to explain why you failed, isn’t it, Ray ?
It’s called making excuses, rewritting history. Hopefully it makes you feel better in your head, because in the real world it’s not gonna get you much.
You know, I meet people in my day to day life. and its true: some people just THINK in strange ways. Perhaps its my having read The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan, but some people Ive met are just … counterproductive. You know, that rave you went to with friends in Miami and you went into a 5 set and 2 of the guys needed to be disarmed so you threw your wing into the target to AI you while you dealt with the business of men right. And you get into talking with one of them, the target’s brother. And you befriend ENTIRELY and he wants you to hook up with his sister … and as you befriend him you cant help but think as he gives you the way he sees the world … you think: WOW! Am I glad I am not THAT GUY.
That’s how I felt reading some of the above.
Can we agree Im not a social retard? Im sure people can deduce that … from the game, my book, my dvds, media articles, lair meetings, etc etc. Im not going to stear anyone in the WRONG direction: PU is hard enough. My method I strongly believe is THE best route from meet to sex, bar NONE. we use PIVOTS (ray), we use QUALIFIERS (RJ), we use canned openers (thundercat for compiling them into a detailed book), we go GUNWITCH when we either see a lone wolf and we are strapped for time, we use Style’s IVDs, Swinggcat’s shit, Pickup101 body language techniques, and the list goes on and on. For instance, look at the M3 model. The model was able to explain when to do what. the concepts of multiple venue loops and the dating loop are very sound … and those useful gambits are the basis for how we jump from C1 to C2 to C3. Lots of brains have come together to make that method. and it seriously works. This game is FUCKING HARD … emotionally. Ive been through it ALL. Im dealing with a breakup right now and its all fucked up. so I know. Check out the structure in chapter 3 – if you get the ebook and think its crap my business partner savoy will refund your money 100% – good business is smart business clear and simple. the pouint is, this is some genuinely smart stuff.
now, if you feel after learning the method that it isnt … smart … then you can totally discard what I post. *cough* supermodel *cough*
http://lifestyle.iafrica.com/hislife/features/225962.htm
ok with that said, I have a THOUGHT. it regards this whole PUA in PUBLIC thing. (What if, for instance, Venusian Arts studios started to pop up in each city.)
ready for it?
its big.
here’s what will happen:
To be a TRAINED VENUSIAN ARTIST is to have become the man she wishes she could have (we know this because trained VAs (PUAs) ARE IN FACT being selected for sex and relationships by women. As long are we are known as DISCRIMINATING (meaning, I say NO to girls who are attracted to me far more than I say YES), and posessing DISCRETION, then it is of VALUE to a woman to be with such a ladies man. (And yes the GURU identity works – but I lost many a good set learning the ropes of REFRAMING haa – I still prefer just being MYSTERY (movies, album, nation wide media, all that good stuff to talk about) now that I worked to develop myself. I still have a long way to go. Having a REP for being, not a PUA in TRAINING, but rather a TRAINED PUA (something that doesnt define your occupation as a rockstar or accountant in any way – although: “I’d rather be a lousy rockstar than an amazing accountant.” ~ Mystery) who is DISCRIMINATING and has DISCRETION is SOUGHT AFTER by girls. My social experiments CONFIRM THIS.
Now you have to LOOK SOCIAL to pull off the VENUSIAN ARTIST with RANK sub-identity gambit, but assuming you ARE trained (meaning you didnt KJ and instead got the fuck out into the field a few nights a week for a good year) with a structure to your pickup is a good thing. You WANT her to know what a VA is (and what it ISNT: seduction first based crap (not slagging the fool’s mate thing if you KNOW you got her pinned and you also WANT her that fast) and that you are good at it. that you pickup for SPORT. that you throw LOTS of fish back into the sea. Being with you should be a PRIVILEDGE only the particularly lovely ones get to experience: just like Casanova. Be Casanova. Be Mystery.
>You will pubically endorse me on your site, as well as admit defeat where I deem possible.
let me get this straight ray: you want to try to steal girls from me by going into a set and then having me game for 10 minutes and then you have a go again. and if you “get the girl” then I have to say you are endorsed? dude, you are a complete fruitcake. Im doing this for my ENTERTAINMENT (cause the STORY isnt worth telling to anyone). If you win (that is, full monty more girls than me of the 15 sets) then I will admit you’ve got game … but dude, I already dont LIKE you so no, you will not be able to work for MM within ANY affiliate structure. Ive read your book already. Here’s my review: Its bad. Really D&D with no basis in reality. Don’t waste your money. If a guy has some money to spare and wants to really be in on the joke of just how both ORGANIZED and POINTLESS your book is, buy it at a BARGAIN $19.95. Whats funny is that its not funny at all. Its just a contrived table to prove only those of like value will mate. nothing PRACTICAL. not a method at all. more like a pessimistic book of excuses why you cant get a legitimately high value girl unless you are good looking. This isnt a battle of the ebooks here either. I have a legitimate publisher (st. martins press) unlike ray. buyer beware.
Ray Gordon is an insecure homosexual hiding behind a failed ‘method’ for cover. The only PUA advice he’s qualified to give is sarging the male psycho wards for hairy-assed inmates…
…if you’re into that. And Ray is.
Here’s my review: Its bad. Really D&D with no basis in reality. Don’t waste your money. If a guy has some money to spare and wants to really be in on the joke of just how both ORGANIZED and POINTLESS your book is, buy it at a BARGAIN $19.95. Whats funny is that its not funny at all. Its just a contrived table to prove only those of like value will mate. nothing PRACTICAL. not a method at all. more like a pessimistic book of excuses why you cant get a legitimately high value girl unless you are good looking. This isnt a battle of the ebooks here either. I have a legitimate publisher (st. martins press) unlike ray. buyer beware.
I’ve never heard it put so well…you’re right it is a book of excuses.
Mystery I’m willing to bet my sister that before this is over Ray will have named you in a lawsuit…just watch…so typical of a pussy like Ray.
Hey Mystery.
Not matter what you type, Ray will come up with a longer essay that does not make sense. We all know this by now.
You will never meet Ray Gordon. Possibly the only thing in this world i would put my life on.
And you as well as everyone knows it will not be a competition no matter what the conditions are, you have a higher chance of being beaten if you opened your door and pulled the next guy off the street for a competition, just read the same tedious crap that Ray Gordon writes over and over, you could possibly tell how he would speak just by reading his writing, how many women could possibly be attracted to him?
Everything that Ray write is just heaidng towards a new excuse why he will not show up.
You must understand that he isn’t the brightest bulb around.
A book of excuses, not surprisingly, it’s Ray’s speciality to come up with excuses for why he is not rich, not famous, not successful, etc.
Mystery, you make the case that he is the village idiot. You are right and everyone here and on ASF knows it. So man, there is no need for you to pay attention. You are on a completely different level. Nobody will think it’s suspicious if you just ignore him.
Right now you are just giving him a tiny little bit of the light he craves by talking to him. Even if he gets 0 girls at that meeting he is going to use the very fact of meeting you as a marketing trick for years to come. Look at what Elvis has done after Cliff met him.
Ray thinks that the books like the game and the movies will ruin the method. What an idiot.
The only thing these books and movies can do is expose a few pick-up lines or canned routines. Ray think this is all there is to seduction.
It evident that he doesn’t and can’t understand seduction in the manner that it now exists.
Sorry Ray…but…NO Game over…
Mystery there is a picture of Ray out there, I’ll see if I can locate it…looks like a shot taken right before a guy is booked for a crime. Now I will have to admit that the man does have a good voice, but he doesn’t know how to use it.
How old are you by the way Mystery?
Mystery, sorry to hear about the breakup.
Have fun in LA.
J
Here’s the link to the video of me hanging with 3 GFs (2 LTRs, 1 STR) in Toronto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPxdBku_nIk
And what if “I” win ray? You agree to never post in seduction related sites again – and you agree to allow the video of your failure to be posted online whether you succeed or not (as I agree to). If you do post online and we say FUCK OFF RAY, you will, and that will be that seeing as most people dont appreciate how you’ve derailed this thread yet again. that’s what I want for winning. If you win, I will also give you MONEY. Ill give you 5 to 1 odds. You win $500 from me and I only $100 from you. I want Ray Gordon to DISAPPEAR from the community portal boards. I look forward to meeting you. When are you free for this? and Im awaiting your video.
somewhere between 28 and 35.
video comments appreciated. Im curious.
Nice video. Nice girls….nice to live the life isn’t it?.
RAy, go watch and look at how you have missed out on life. This is the life of all good PUA using methods that WORK.
You are still at home with mom….damn what a joke. Where do you take the 20 dollar hookers you get?…to your room? or do you just pleasure yourself to save those limited funds..LMAO.
Mystery..you da man…;)
Ray Gordon, Mystery has put up. Now it’s your turn. Any more long drwn out posts on your part are simply an admission that you are afraid of this challenge. Put up or Shut up.
This is your big chance to set things right. Take advantage of it. The more you Argue at this point the more you look like a fraud whos afraid of this challenge, however if you step up to this now, you can redeem all those years of anger and frustration. You can have your day in court!!
Im telling you, the more you sit here and argue the worse people will feel about you.
You don’t need to write a paragraph. You don’t need to wrte a story. You don’t need to argue facts. The only thing you NEED to do at this point, before EVERYONE dismisses you as an angry KJing pre-AFC weirdo with mental problems is to say 2 words.
“I ACCEPT.”
The contest is in your favor, the community is on the line. You worked so hard to get to this point! Whats it gonna be buddy?
Nice video mystery.
Those are some solid 7s. Not my type really but they’re still cute!
I gotta question now that I actually forwarded to the end.
2 scenes leave me wondering. Did Mystery nail both of the chicks at the end OR did he rely on his knowledge of illusion to make the audience Percieve that thats what happened?
The shower has no proof that you were in there…
The bed seems like that was just the 2 chicks cuddling (which by the way 2 girls with completely NO lesbian/bi relationship are known to do im my experience.)… No Mystery in either shot.
You may want to consider putting the camera on a steady table or whatever and then film all 3 of you. You could have filmed all of you going into the bathroom, if in fact thats what you were going for in a tasteful way.
You wanted honest opinions. My favorite thing to hear a woman complain to me about is my Brutal Honesty. It is my 1 reliable trait, good or bad.
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Girl #1 : Nice. Cute. Teeth so-so though. HB9.
Girl #2 : Friendly no doubt but fat and a UG. I wouldn’t fuck her sober. HB4 ?
Girl #3 : OK I guess. HB8 ? Looks a bit too trashy for my taste.
I prefered the girls in the previous WTF episodes. But by all means keep posting those. AND release a full DVD of sarges and you interacting with girls on day 2,3,4 etc. It’s great and we learn from this, trust me.
And where the fuck is what the fuck 3 ?
Mystery that video kicks ass.
Ray Gordon – you’re a deluded old man who steals his way out of every situation by threatening with legal action.
You’re the kid that NOBODY liked in school – I mean for gods sakes your personality is so abrasive and disgusting. How could any woman want you? I’m being serious…
This thread has actually cemented previously wavering ideas about you. Who the hell will buy from you after seeing what you’ve talked about here? Go pivot a dog or something.
a 9 and an 8?
You’re just being polite.
Unless the chicks around here are waaaay higher than the average scale of chicks in other places.