“Catch Him & Keep Him” Author Responds!
July 6, 2005 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
So there was a bit of controversy a while back about the latest book to be coming out of David DeAngelo Communications called "Catch Him And Keep Him," which seems to be a Double Your Dating type book for women. It ruffled a few feathers of the readers of this site because they felt like David DeAngelo was trying to tell women exactly what to do to combat what he teaches guys to do.
Frankly, I don’t see it that way. And when I contacted the DYD crew about the site, they responded that the author, Christian Carter, was part of the DYD crew and someone completely separate from David DeAngelo.
This, of course, was not believable to MINE’99, who insisted that David D was trying to pull a fast one, that Christian Carter was a made-up name, and that this was some type of "major scandal."
Well, it seems the real Christian Carter has visited the site and didn’t like what he saw. Here’s his response…
Christian Carter writes:
So the truth is a PURELY subjective matter here?
It’s fascinating to see lies become truth and truth become emotional
ammunition here at a group that I would think prides itself of being
above practices like this.Same common issue – different context.
I’m in awe of how I’ve been transformed into another human being by
your desires to "hate" or your fixation on the evil, misdirected and
absurd. I guess it’s more interesting that way though…I’ve gone from myself into David DeAngelo simply through the power
of your thinking and wishing for all the bad things that you fear in
others to be true.Plus, we all like nothing more than to see people who hold
themselves in high-esteem take a topple. (and I imagine there’s also
some childish short-sided financial "gain" that some of you think
you’re getting by espousing your "truth" – or at least you hope your
making sure other people don’t have too much more than you do)Would anyone even think to try and meet me or talk with me? I am a
real human- being that does NOT happen to be David DeAngelo, Eben Pagan
or any other name that would apparently not smell so sweet here.If you’re at Cliff’s Seminar, feel free to ask David about me and who I am.
Actually, I’d like to show up there and talk with to you since you know so much about me.
Then you could tell me all about me.
Hey – and then you could find a way to hate me too.
Seriously – does anyone want to talk, or are you happier living in your version of the world?
Not to be exposed for the idiot he is, MINE’99 spews forth this venomous reply…
MINE’99 writes:
Someone ALLEGING to be "Christian Carter" wrote:
"I’m in awe of how I’ve been transformed into another human being by
your desires to "hate" or your fixation on the evil, misdirected and
absurd. I guess it’s more interesting that way though…I’ve gone from myself into David DeAngelo simply through the power
of your thinking and wishing for all the bad things that you fear in
others to be true."So you are claiming you are the person who authored the Catch Him
And Keep Him ebook? Despite the fact that the writing style is almost
identical to Pagan’s. And you also write the newsletters too..is that
what you are claiming?So Deangelo has NOTHING to do with this, other than lending
marketing expertise, his staff, his money, etc. He gets no profit from
it either.Please…pull the other leg while you are at it.
"Would anyone even think to try and meet me or talk with me? I am a
real human- being that does NOT happen to be David DeAngelo, Eben Pagan
or any other name that would apparently not smell so sweet here."Sure. I’ll meet you. But in the meantime, are you saying YOU
authored the Catch Him And Keep Him ebook? That you write the
newsletters as well?And that DeAngelo/Pagan has nothing to do with the marketing of
this project, even though you were described, by Thundercat, as a DYD
team member.In the final analysis, if you wrote the book at Pagan’s request or
he is involved in the marketing of it, it is still a betrayal of his
DYD customer list. He’s still promoting and marketing a product that
tells women to avoid the men who do the stuff he teaches in the DYD
ebook.Care to respond?
If you’re at Cliff’s Seminar, feel free to ask David about me and who I am.
Actually, I’d like to show up there and talk with to you since you know so much about me.
Then you could tell me all about me.
Hey – and then you could find a way to hate me too.
Seriously – does anyone want to talk, or are you happier living in your version of the world?
To which Christian replies…
Christian Carter writes:
RJ – I don’t know you. Therefore I feel no need to explain myself, my writing and my association with David D.
After reading where you’re coming from on posting board, I’ve
reached the conclusion that you’re not a person I want to spend my time
with or respond or engage with.You’ve deceptively claimed that you know what the book is and
intimated that you’ve read it. Tell me what the name of the first
chapter is? I find you’re knowledge of all this amusing since no one
has seen my book besides my editor and a few women I’ve given advanced
copies to.So say what you want and come to your own conclusions. I’m not going to read or respond to any of your posts in the future.
But thanks for your attention and the publicity/controversy you’re creating.
What’s the deal with MINE’99 and his obsession with this whole thing? I mean, it’s not like this book is COMPETING with him in any way, unless he’s released some product that teaches women how to hypnotize men into relationships, in which case he’s guilty for the exact some thing he’s acusing David D of.
But when it comes down to it, MINE’99′s posts just wreak of petty jealousy and spite. Why anyone would want to learn anything from this man is beyond me, since he seems to have obvious problems and issues a person with "guru" status just simply should not have.
I haven’t read Christian Carter’s book, and I don’t know anything about it. It’s obvious that David D is marketing the book, but the only women who will be buying it/reading it will be lowly ugs who can’t get a guy, so chances are I’m not going to have to deal with any women who’ve read this book. And if they have read it, so what? What’s the worse that could happen? They seduce you into a relationship with them?
Heaven forbid.
HenryKacle on 
CharlesHeree on 
MarvinHob on 
Walterfurdy on 
spincasino-slot.com on 
This part is confusing… Personally, I find it hard to understand RJ’s products. But fortunately, some worked and get me hanging out. On the otherhand, none of the DYD products have worked because I was confused by the attraction isn’t a chioce idea. To review, products nonetheless are helping out to became the not one you want to be, instead, you became another person.
I would also like to point out that real dating coach, do example in real flesh than David DeAngelo who conducts seminar and just keep marketing any part of his products. about RJ, I haven’t seen him yet in the real flesh doing example.
“Action speaks louder than words” and not “finding out what works for you and keep doing it”
This information really is great Michael and RJ are great. Michael acts like DeAngelo LOL.
Michael R. wrote:
“If my aim was primarily to divert attention, there are significantly easier ways to railroad a thread on to another subject.”
But that is what you are attempting to do.
Look, I tore apart your dumb analogies to selling/buying fertilizer.
I pointed out that DeAngelo isn’t just positioning himself as a marketer, but proclaiming himself to be an advocate and FRIEND of the guys he sells his products to and that, as such, he IS betraying them by marketing, selling and supporting a product that teaches women to counteract and avoid the very things he teaches his male customers.
You totally ignored(as in TOTALLY) the point about DeAngelo proclaiming himself as a friend and advocate of single men.
Instead, you made more attacks on me.
Now, let me address one more thing: you say you don’t understand my marketing, or at least that by attacking DeAngelo, it makes me and my products look worse.
Here is what you truly have not considered: maybe, for me, this goes beyond marketing and making a buck. Maybe if it comes down to expressing what I really think, that is MORE important to me than turning a buck, and I hope the two converge, but if not, so be it.
DeAngelo is ONLY about the money, and that has been my point. He won’t utter a word that isn’t carefully considered and shaped to his market.
(That’s probably why he REFUSES to speak to the press. He knows he can’t shape or control the questions, so he can’t carefully plan each word of his answer. He even refused to participate in the publicity or be interviewed by the media for Neil Straus’s upcoming book about the seduction community, “The Game”. The guy is just afraid to speak spontaneously for fear of saying something the market won’t like)
If THAT is the kind of person you wish to follow, uphold or trust, fee free.
That ISN’T me.
I call it like I see it.
I think DeAngelo is like one of my favorite comic book villains: the Kingpin.
He portrays himself, publicly, as upstanding, self-controlled, looking ONLY to help guys, but behind the scenes is MUCH different.
Hate me or love me, I’m up front. If I don’t like someone, if I think what they are doing is under-handed, I up and say it, right out in the open.
That ought to make you trust what I say more: that I AM willing to offend and even turn off a certain portion of the market in the interests OF SAYING WHAT I TRULY BELIEVE.
Now, if you can do so: address my points:
1. Does DeAngelo position himself as an advocate and friend to single male guys that he promotes his DYD products to?
2. Is supporting, marketing, and promoting a product that teaches women to AVOID men who practice what he teaches in DYD, withold sex etc, incongruent with his proclaimed role as an advocate for single men?
Don’t attack me. Don’t question my marketing. Just address THOSE points, intelligently, forth-rightly, etc. IF you can.
Or fail to do so. But don’t think people can’t see past your continuing to avoid the main point addressed in those questions.
RJ
93/93
“I’m indestwuctable”..Jonathan West
“I think DeAngelo is like one of my favorite comic book villains: the Kingpin”
Now that guy knew how to pimp…a white sportcoat, striped purple pants and he had a shaved head before it was in vogue.
“He portrays himself, publicly, as upstanding, self-controlled, looking ONLY to help guys, but behind the scenes is MUCH different”
Like Al Capone and his soup kitchens or when the biker gangs hand out stuffed toys at a public event to children while they are beating some guy to death.
LETS PLAY THE QUOTE SOMEONES BOOK GAME…
FIRST PAGE (page 2 for those playing at home):
Catch Him and Keep Him:
-
One evening you’re spending a romantic dinner with a man you’re dating and you spring a question on him and wait for him to respond.
You say:
”What do you think about us… You know… about the future?”
Or you say something like…
“I don’t feel like you tell me about your feelings…. How do you feel about where this is going? You know, about our relationship?”
So you’ve asked a simple question right? And when he can’t answer you in a positive way, which men often do in these situations, you become upset or disappointed.
Yeah, I know… men can do all sorts of really STUPID stuff with these questions. Avoiding, turning things around, acting like you dropped a bomb on them, ignoring it, saying tired lines like, “It’s not you, it’s me”, or reacting with fear and anger.
So what’s going on here?
-
OK lets discuss THIS shit…
”What do you think about us… You know… about the future?”
“I don’t feel like you tell me about your feelings…. How do you feel about where this is going? You know, about our relationship?
So you’ve asked a simple question right?
Oh yeah “How do you feel about where this relationship is going?” is a really fucking simple question… lets reverse the situation.. if a guy were to ask a girl this question would she find it so ‘simple’? I don’t think so buddy, but I’ll tell you what I do think… I think you’re trying to kiss arse of some women out there and try to seem like you know what you’re talking about by ‘relating’ to her experience whats that called… pacing her ongoing reality I believe.
-
Yeah, I know… men can do all sorts of really STUPID stuff with these questions. Avoiding, turning things around, acting like you dropped a bomb on them, ignoring it, saying tired lines like, “It’s not you, it’s me”, or reacting with fear and anger.
Avoiding? you mean like DAVID DEANGELO said to do when he said “never give a woman a direct answer unless it’s no” wow… you mean
Turning things around? you mean turning things around like DAVID DEANGELO says to do?
Acting like you dropped a bomb on them… well HELLO DUMBARSE… how the fuck would YOU react to that question? better yet lets ask any WOMAN how she would react and see if she’d react ANY differently.
Ignoring it… you mean ignoring it like a woman might do if posed with the same question? or ignoring it like people might do when they figure “this is a shit test” ? hmm?
Fascinating stuff…
It won’t all sound like Deangelo though because you must remember Deangelo DOES know how to write for a target market, so the structure of the book will be different to suit women rather than men.
Hey wasn’t this guy supposed to be at the cliff’s list seminar? hmm did anyone actually speak to him? Perhaps being under the name David Deangelo left him with little time to run back to the DYD cave to change into his Christian Carter suit and ride back to the seminar in the Catch Him and Keep Him Mobile.
Better luck next time hey?
Ross,
Un-be-liev-able. I’m guessing you really are completely clueless to your astounding
hypocrisy.
You’re offended by the way DD conducts himself with his customers!?
…
(wait for it)
…
BAWHAHAHAHA!
On just this site, you frequently and consistently cut down and tactlessly offend anybody who pops up on your radar, and your own customers certainly aren’t immune. You’ve even done it to guys who were trying to defend you.
Oh but wait, it’s all okay for you to do it to anyone, because you’re up front about it!!! (And I won’t even mention your other well-discussed customer indiscretions in life.) Yes, Ross… we customers really should trust you. (Just keep taking the little green pills.)
Gentlepeople, the high-moral ground is now available.
PS. Thanks also for clarifying that you conduct yourself the way you do because you are just ‘expressing yourself’, no matter what the consequences to your business… and therefore us customers. (Would you like to buy a vowel?)
To Thundercat: TC, gosh darnit, it appears I might have upset RJ for going off-topic (something that never happens here, and certainly something he’s never done himself [cough wink]). I would therefore humbly like to request that you start a new blog post entitled “Could Ross Jeffries Be Any More Clueless?” or something similar. And I pwomise I’ll obey all RJ’s direct demands at all times from now on [cough choke]
Translation: You are again avoiding answering my 2 SIMPLE questions about DeAngelo, which was the topic all along.
Thanks for playing. BZZZZ. You lose.
RJ
You are again ignorant the fact that I already gave very well established and supported reasons why I don’t have to.
BZZZZ. You were never in the game.
(RJ, as always, as soon as someone puts a reasonable spotlight on you, you cave in to the lowliest coward’s act of redirecting, with some lame attempt at derision thrown in. If as you say this is you being authentic to the public, then as I’ve made clear by now, that really doesn’t make for a great behavioural-focused teacher. That vowel is still up for sale.
Coming soon from Ross Jeffries, “Bring Out The Gutless Wonder In You: The True Way To Seduction”)
> Cool – someone with some moxie… but questionable competence.
You’re manifestly unqualified to judge.
> So you’re interpreting my observation as
> an attempt at deep hurt. Hmmm, that’s a
> subjective interpretation.
No. That’s sarcasm. A quick refresher in social interaction should help with your inability to recognise it.
And while we’re at it, lad, all interpretations are subjective. At the best, interpretations can be consensual which is a standard we sometimes use as a metric for the correctness of said interpretation, but I’m really not going down the “all things are subjective” path with you. However, I will smack down your attempts at prevarication with extreme prejudice, so do keep that in mind.
> If Ross chooses to continually exhibit
> behaviour and competence that could be
> compared to that of an eight year old,
And at this point, I’m afraid you’ve run into your own subjective waffle. You could compare anyone’s behaviour to that of an eight year old. However doing so is merely an exercise in comparison, nothing more. I could compare your ostentatious use of vocabulary to a chef who attempts to bludgeon instead of filleting, but that wouldn’t really tell us much, although it would tend to reveal my own bias.
> and he wishes to sell behavioural-based
> products which he claims to characterize,
> then an example of his behaviour and
> observations about it are directly
> relevant.
An example of your behaviour would reveal you’re something of an insufferable egotist with far too much regard for your own intelligence, but can we really extrapolate from that to a complete picture of who you are?
Your argument is an exercise in fallacy. While I’m sure Ross is touched by your genuine concern for his bottom line, it seems pretty clear to me that if you think a discussion on an internet board is going to significantly affect the uptake of his products, then you’ve been spending far too much time on the net and not enough in what most people think of as “the real world”.
> The majority of people who post comments
> on this site are not selling
> behavioural-based products for which
> their public conduct may influence the
> purchase of. (Also, see fallacy of ad
> populum.)
As I pointed out, your view is rather narrow and your argument is all suggestion with no concrete statements or conclusion. Yes, public conduct MAY influence purchasing decisions but so MAY waving the entrails of a dead goat over your keyboard. What you’re attempting to do is imply without having the guts to actually say anything.
> Guess again. This is not a political race.
> We are not voting for Ross Jeffries versus
> other candidates to become a politician.
Wrong. Politics is about personalities. This is about personalities. People vote with their dollars. Your inability to understand WHY this is so reveals a significant gap in yourunderstanding.
> You’re welcome to attempt to reframe my
> points to any set of incompatible
> conditions that you like
I’m pointing out your general lack of anything remotely resembling reasoning. Your points don’t stand on their own because you imply a lot and when you do make assertions, you do it without justification. Now go think it over and try and construct an actual argument. You know… an argument, right? Where you start with some axioms, construct inferences and reach a conclusion?
Don’t worry, I’m sure an elementary course in logic should help clear up your confusion.
> If you have any ‘stunningly effective’
> relevant examples of crass derogatory
> advertising in consumer products, I’ll
> gladly take them into consideration.
You’ll ‘take them into consideration’? *smirk* I can see I was right about the egotism. Negative cross-product promotion is done all the time, it’s just done in a rather insidious fashion. The usual method in Hollywood is to place a competitor’s product in a scene in which highly charged, negative emotional events occur. The audience associates the product with the negative emotions aroused by the drama.
In any case, you’ve misread the context. This is about politics, whether you have the wit to realise it or not.
> Just because others do it, it does not validate it
Who says it needs to be validated? There are fairly clear reasons for doing it in this arena. If you don’t understand why, that’s your own problem.
> and it certainly does not explain away the
> potentially negative consequences for a
> seller
It’s a fallacy to think that any given behaviour suite is going to find favour with everyone. The optimal strategy is to engage in behaviour which finds favour with “most” people, not all people. Given the multiplicity of viewpoints, you’re doing nothing more than guessing which set of behaviours will produce an optimal result. You have nothing whatsoever to back this idea up, merely endless speculation. A hallmark of your posts.
> Now if you are correct and Ross does do it
> because lots of other people do it here
I said nothing of the sort. You’re setting up a straw man. Which is – of course – a fallacy. Nice try, but you just got caught.
> and it has a negative effect on potential buyers of his product
Well this is the problem. You have no idea of the effect it has. Your own personal observations – and that of your buddies, their friends, your family and your pet dachshund – are statistically insignificant. And so while you can freely speculate – which is pretty much all you seem to do – you have no grounds for anyone to regard your speculation as remotely valid. After all, you’re stunningly short on evidence to support it.
> then I’m still left to wonder about his lack of business acumen.
I’m left to wonder about your grip on reality. Let’s try again. You have no evidence to support your speculation and yet you think you can make a judgement call on someone’s business acumen based on some pretty castles in the air you’ve built in the fairyland that is the landscape of your mind. I pray you don’t conduct all your affairs with the same disregard for reason you’re displaying here.
> Good point. Like I asked in my original
> message, ‘does he just not give a damn’ to
> the point of spiting his own business.
I was pointing out a parallel in the corporate world to refute your assertion that such things don’t occur with consumer products. They do. If his business is so successful that he’s simply unable to handle any more of it, then your tips on marketing are unlikely to prove useful to him, in which case your speculation falls neatly on its face.
> But he is responsible for the consequences
> to his business of those
> interpretations…
Waffle. There are multiple choices available behaviour wise. Ross’ behaviour may attract some and repel others, just as David’s silence may be seen as confirming his guilt. Given that you have no concrete idea of how Ross’ behaviour affects his business, it’s no great leap to see your speculation as an attempt at character assassination via implication.
> Also, if you’re right and Ross considers
> himself in no way ‘responsible’ for any
> widespread ‘potential perception’ of his
> public communication,
Again, another straw man. You really are intent on the fallacies today aren’t you Junior. I suggest you try harder and this time, bring some logic to the table.
> That’s a false analogy
There’s no such thing as a false analogy. An analogy is a comparison used to illustrate a point. As such it illuminates, it does not assert. Really Junior, for someone who babbles on about fallacies, you really do seem to have trouble with the fine art of reason. But let’s indulge you for a while…
> Selling to ‘both sides of the fence’ is
> definitely not the same as undermining
> your own products and sales through your
> public reputation.
I can see your comprehension has suffered here. The analogy with the armour-piercing bullets and the kevlar refers to David’s behaviour, not Ross’. Do try and keep up Junior, it’s becoming very tiring trying to shoehorn elementary concepts into your head.
> Thank you for your personal
> interpretation, which I am still not
> responsible for… especially if it is
> wrong.
No, I’m responsible for my personal interpretation. And whether it’s wrong or not remains to be seen, but I like the odds.
> You yourself highlighted some of the
> hallmarks of this site, and specifically
> staying-on-topic definitely isn’t one that
> is held to religiously.
No, it’s not. However the fact you engage in it, and the way in which you do, suggests you have an agenda. Again – as you are wont to do – we could speculate endlessly about that agenda. Given that such speculation about his motives has the potential to affect David’s sales, an unscrupulous person might decide it is in his interest to try and shout down some of the loudest and most influential detractors by hiring someone to make some unsubstantiated suggestions.
> Also, if you’re so adamant that staying on topic is important
I said no such thing. The fact that you feel the need to switch the topic around just strikes me as significant. But of course, such things are just my interpretation. After all, it’s in David’s interest for us to forget all about this messy “Chris Carter’ business and the betrayal of his customers, isn’t it? It would be in his interest for this discussion to stop being about him and ‘Chris Carter’ and start being about someone else, wouldn’t it. And conveniently, along comes Michael R with his carefully constructed suggestions and implications.
No reasoning.
No argument.
Just implication.
> If Ross feels he has the right to
> continually make these generally
> unfounded, derogatory and defamatory comments
Oh dear. “Defamatory” is for a court to decide, not you. Are you a legal professional? Are you qualified to give advice on what is “defamatory”? No? I thought not.
> Now that’s your interpretation again.
No, it’s not. I quote:
“So why would I want to learn from someone
who will teach me to deal with say my
insecurity, when he doesn’t appear to be
aware (or at least care) that his own
public messages could be interpreted to
have such deep insecurity.”
Mealy mouthed and a bundle of suggestion with the lack of gumption required to make an actual ASSERTION but the implication is that you’re dissatisfied with his behaviour and so this affects your purchasing decision.
The reason THAT is my interpretation is that this is what you’re attempting to imply. I’m well aware that in your post, you don’t actually say anything, merely ask questions and make suggestions but I’m cutting to the chase and holding you responsible for your implications and suggestions. If you don’t like that, I suggest you try being less mealy-mouthed and show more guts by actually making a statement.
> If my aim was primarily to divert
> attention, there are significantly easier
> ways to railroad a thread on to another
> subject.
A fallacy. Just because something is easy doesn’t mean it’s the path that will always be taken. You *are* quite the fallacy boy aren’t you Junior.
> If you think my intention was to change the subject,
Yes, it was. We wouldn’t want to keep the discussion up about David and his betrayal of his customers by selling them out now would we?
> then you have ‘misinterpreted’ my purpose, with notable prejudice.
No. I’ve seen you clearly. Simple, really.
> Whatever the case, false analogies,
> questionable reasoning, erroneously
> reframing arguments, poor rationalization,
> faulty bias, contradicting yourself,
> hypocrisy, etc. aren’t the attributes of a
> well thought out reply.
No, they’re not but you consistently engage in them all. As I keep saying, bring some reason to the thread Junior and we’ll party, but for some reason I doubt you’re capable of that.
> If you wish to readily presume that I am a
> ‘shill’ for David based on weak
> circumstantial and inconclusive evidence,
No, I find the idea that you’re a shill for David to be a fair presumption based on my own analysis of your post. Whether you think this constitutes strong evidence is not something I’m really concerned about. As we can see from your posts, you’re not exactly the poster child for logic, nor can your own testimony about yourself be considered impartial, so your conclusion in this regard holds little weight.
> To do so, you leave me wondering about
> your basic rational, intellect and
> motives.
That’s okay, I wonder about your ability to handle breathing and defacating simultaneously, but it’s not something which keeps me up at nights.
> Should I be presuming you are somehow linked to Ross?
Please do. It would entertain me greatly to see you add to your litany of errors. And once you’ve presumed, ask Thundercat to check the IP.
> Or better still, should I speculate that you are actually Ross?
*smirk* If you like. Now explain why that is “better”.
> Whatever the case… you’re hardly incisive
Your opinion is noted with a good deal of amusment. Try again Junior, you got yourself spanked badly on this one.
Incision,
Get a job.
DG
lmao whoa Incision man your a freak. biggest load of tosh i’ve read in a long time
jack
Just incase you’re wondering Incision, Im not picking sides or anything since Thats just too much to read, but Maybe these guys are rippin on ya because you ACTUALLY took the TIME to ANSWER every POINT in that Overly-long-assed post (showing too much interest i.e. qualifying yourself??). Then you actually put so much passion into it that you actually tell the other guy that “…he got spanked on this one.” which is… kinda… well… ahem. Oh You Win ;op
Only Pro Wrestlers Can Make posts that long.
Just a thought.
Incision, what a cunningly deceptive and devious plan you’ve fooled us all with!
Despite your strong accusations against me on the matter, your message has managed to take this blog entry off-topic far more and far faster than anyone else here.
So all along while you’ve made it look like you were defending RJ, it turns out that you were actually working for DYD. You clever little bugger!
>I suggest you try being less
>mealy-mouthed and show more
>guts by actually making a statement.
Ok sure………. you’re a twat.
(I suppose you’ll need evidence for that too
lol Micheal R sooo cruel- twisting the knife a little to see if theres any life left in teh corpse hey. sweet
jack
Speaking of fake names, whats this site all about:
http://www.approaching-women.com/
Seems now even Thundercat has another alias of “Alex Aldrin”
“www.approaching-women.com”
Looks like an affiliate’s site to me.
I disagree that the only women who will buy Christian Carter’s book are “ugs”. I happen to beautiful, thank you.
Holy smoke, what a lot of vitriol! I don’t see the point.
I am a woman. I bought CHKH. Here are the pros and cons from my point of view.
CONS I found it weak, hastily written, etc. The 183 pp. are mostly fluff. The meat starts about p. 170.
PROS NONETHELESS, I found worthwhile stuff in it. One is the “he is just not that into you” message. That is useful and saves a lot of painful speculation (why doesn’t he call? is he busy? does he fear intimacy?–no he is just not that interested). The other thing I found very interesting (hey guys is it true?) is the assertion that men consistently are attracted to high-class confident women in charge of their own lives. This was a really interesting point to me, because I don’t know when/where/how much men are attracted to women who DON’T need them (this assures men their freedom, which is nice for men) or attracted to women who DO need them (this elicits the Sir Galahad response and gives men power, which is also nice for men.
The most useful thing in the book is something which does not threaten men at all. That is the message that you attract men when you get yourself a life and don’t let them control you. Now “don’t let them control you” can sound like battle tactics for a nasty win-lose contest. No No NO. The point is quite the opposite. It is the rather Zen point that when you care so desperately how things turn out, you are waiting for him to call, hanging on his every word, crying yourself to sleep at night, etc. etc. you are fixing it so that you are only when happy when HE does the a b or c you are hoping. Your happiness depends in effect on him. Bad, bad, bad for ANYONE.
If DYD is advice for MEN not to hand control of their destiny and happiness to another person, then CHKH is advice for WOMEN not to hand control..etc etc. Allowing your happiness to depend utterly on the decision of someone else is a recipe for weakness and misery for ANYONE.
And guess what? weak miserable people don’t attract mates!
In other words a profound truth which helps all who practice it without harming anyone else. Not a nasty manipulative seduction tactic but something wise, true and kind–i.e. a win-win. Nothing wrong with that.
AS FOR THE REST OF THE DEBATE
Personally, I was absolutely convinced that David DeAngelo was the author. I had been following the DYD newsletters with great interest for a long time and I thought the similarities were amazing. I don’t require people to agree–in fact I can’t understand why this issue matters so much–but that was certainly what I thought.
However, I am basically disappointed in CHKH. It is to DYD as water is to steak. I am DYING to have SOMEBODY (who cares who?) write a solid, concrete, meaty book on the subject for women–one just as good as DeAngelo’s book/DVD series for men. There is still bestseller and a lot of money to be made out there!
dear whomever
i ordered the bood online and paid for it
i was sent thebook online started readig it and got to page 80 ad couldt’ manipulate the up and down arrows anymore
can you please send me the correct web address so I can again commence reading the rest of the book
Catch him and Keep Him
Can somebody please explain the whole concept of a guy withholding sex to me? Is that a seduction tactic??
Carter is DeAngelo. The writing style is identical. Trying to get away with this is the dumbest move this otherwise very bright guy has made.
Hi people….what’s so happening here…u guys are heavily arguing about this Christian Carter….he sent me regular newsletter started last month….so what’s wrong with him?…is he an impostor or what….and what’s that with that David DeAngelo…..I supposse it’s ok if CC sent newsletter to all….I mean, just read it and then u could take it or simply leave it…no problem….I read them on my spare time, becos he writes too much….but I don’t have any idea to buy his e-book or view his site or what….well I mean advices could be an advantages but don’t u think people learn best from their own experiences (and other as well)…..could anybody explain to me what’s goin’ on here…is there somethin’ harmful or what…thanx…
umm ID LIKE TO SPEAK TO CHRISTIAN (AUTHOR) / anyone hu thinks they might be able to give advice….im like a young girl and i really reaaly fancy this guy who is my brother’s friend though he is also friends with my friend so i see him with out me bro how should i attract his attention in that way without coming accross toooo desperate ive been given flirting tips by my frend but they seem a bit obvious and i dont think i culd do them in front of him lol thanks pleease leave comments if u think twuld be useful for me
Henri and louise,
If a guy is withholding sex from a girl its because she’s making a big deal out of it, he thinks she won’t be able to handle it and its going to become a real head ache for him if he lays her, plus/ he can already get laid elsewhere without such a hassle/he’s not desperate!
Also he likes to compete and know you are wanted by other guys… even his friends should be attracted to you.
otherwise it’s nuts
um thanks for ur comment but im not looking for sex or his wich hes withholding i just wanted sum advice about how to approach him etc and by u saying i must attract his friends aswell do you mean i have to like make his friends fancy me before he can!!!!sounds ridiculous lol and ver difficult!!!!
in other words i want him to become me boyfrend but more kissing than having sex though im not sure how to flirt with him and let him know….
WHO CARES?!?!?!?!
A book came out that teaches women how to “Catch and Keep” men.
I think too many guys are getting their skirts in a bunch over such a trivial occurence.
First, DYD and CHAKH are meant for 2 entirely different audiences. Besides the obvious male/female marketing, “Catch Him And Keep Him” is directed towards women who want to create a RELATIONSHIP. “Double Your Dating” is offering the idea of….DOUBLING YOUR DATING. These are mutually exclusive and in my opinion have no effect on one another.
If you are worried that women will be less sexually accessable because they have read this book, you need a reality check.
If 1 out of every 10,000 women read this book (which would make it PHENOMENON), there are still plenty who have not.
If a woman is dead set on a relationship and you just want sex – MOVE ON! Are you suddenly going to get One-Itis because a woman withheld sex from you?
Get a stronger sense of what you want out of life. If a woman reads this book and practices it like a religion, you are still the one who decides if you want a girl like her or not.
Anyways, I think we all can appreciate a girl with a little game.
FACT: Christian Carter and David DeAngelo are 2 different people.
FACT: David DeAngelo did NOT write CH&KH, Christian Carter did.
FACT: Christian Carter and David DeAngelo are friends and also work together, which is something that has not been hidden or denied by either party.
OPINION: CC & DD have more class and integrity in their little pinkies than Ross Jeffries will ever have in his lifetime.
This is the difference between fact and opinion… however in this particular instance, it’s all true.
How do I know you ask?… Just trust me, I KNOW.
Now get on with your lives.
A lot of the stuff he says does make sense, however he does tend to repeat them too often. The thing about women withholding sex is NOT about them never having sex with their bfs or husbands. It’s about them not rushing into sex right away when they first start dating something. Like waiting at least a month. Because many women make the mistake of sleeping with a guy too soon just because they feel they have a ‘connection’. So you guys need to stop whining when you hear this ‘no sex’ thing. It’s not how you think ok. And if you can’t stand not having sex for a month or two then thats your problem. Though just a question, does anybody know where the page on how to ‘cheat proof’ your relationship is, because I can’t find it. The page number isn’t even on his website. Well I’ve decided to print it out for my own personal use (nobody can complain about that) and then get a refund. It has some nice stuff in it, but it wasn’t worth the money. Especially not if the stuff he says on his website isn’t even in it.
To ‘someone who actually knows’
Sorry but I AM the one who wrote all that. You took out my name and STOLE IT. Just because you are a stupid bitch who can’t think for yourself doesn’t mean you need to steal other peoples opinions. DUMB ASS.
To ‘someone who actually knows’
Sorry but I AM the one who wrote all that. You took out my name and STOLE IT. Just because you are a stupid bitch who can’t think for yourself doesn’t mean you need to steal other peoples opinions. DUMB ASS.
who cares, seriously.
HERE’S THE POOP ON DAVID DEANGELO/CHRISTIAN CARTER:
In the Spring of 2005 I came upon this whole “Catch Him and Keep Him” guy. At that time his name was Mark Matthews. His first couple of newsletters gave some interesting insight into men and the whole male/female dynamic, but didn’t really have a whole lot of original thought. I received several of these newsletters, each one covering a topic having to do with forming a good relationship with a man. And in every email, “Mark Matthews” kept plugging his upcoming ebook, “Catch Him and Keep Him.”
After a couple of months, “Mark Matthews” name suddenly changed to “Christian Carter.” Odd. But whatever. A nom de plume, right? Then his ebook became available. I read it. It was basically rehashed “truths” from other sources… somewhat helpful, I suppose. Certainly nothing harmful. It tells women how men view relationships as opposed to how women view them, how to let a guy know “up front” what kind of woman you are, what you need, etc. Nothing harmful to either men or women.
THEN… “Christian Carter” began announcing a big, live, two-day seminar in Los Angeles. He was going to appear and tell women everything they needed to know to “Catch Him and Keep Him.” All for the low, low price of $147. Thing is, if you attended, you had to agree to be videotaped, because Christian was “only going to do this once” and intended to sell his workshop on DVD.
Of course, by this time I had Googled all this and discovered this whole David DeAngelo business…. read THIS site… and my curiosity was more than peaked. I live in L.A. I thought, “I have GOT to see what this is really all about.” So I went.
It was held yesterday and today (Jan. 14-15, 2006) at the Sheraton Four Points near LAX.
Our registration materials had told us to tell the parking attendant we were with the Christian Carter seminar. The parking attendant looked puzzled and said, “Several woman have arrived today saying that, but I don’t have that on my clipboard.” I asked if I might glance at his clipboard…. there were only a few events being held in the hotel this weekend… and right there in black and white it said: DAVID DEANGELO MARKETING.
There were 50 women there, some who had FLOWN IN from places like Arizona and Oregon and Toronto. There was even one woman there from New Zealand, for God’s sake!
Where do I start? It was SO BAD. First of all, this “Christian Carter” guy can’t be more than 30 years old. He is GORGEOUS… a really, really hot guy. Sweet enough, too, but with all the charisma and personality of a russet potato. BORING AS HELL. The workbook and accompanying PowerPoint slides he read VERBATIM. He never said how he GOT this information, what his qualifications were, or why we should even LISTEN to him!
Worst of all, as I flipped ahead through the workbook, it was clear that whoever had written this crap had stolen most of it from legitimate relationship authors and advisors like David Deida, Allison Armstrong… even Carl Jung! There wasn’t an original thought or bit of research in it.
By the second day, there were very few women who were still “on board”. Most were bored to tears and many were begin to roll their eyes and laugh at him. Several attendees left early on Saturday, several didn’t bother to show up at all on Sunday, and many more drifted out the door as the day progressed.
SO. WHO IS CHRISTIAN CARTER? Check THIS out: during a break during Day One, one of the production crew needed to get Christian’s attention to adjust his microphone, and he called out, “Hey Jim! uh… CHRISTIAN!” And then it happened again today. One of the crew said, “Jim? uh, uh… I mean… Christian?”
So who the hell is Jim? Anybody care to guess? A flunky at David DeAngelo Marketing? Or did some team of writers and researchers at DeAngelo Marketing put this crap together and then just go out and find the cutest actor they could to “front” the thing?
A couple of times, “Christian” referred to a “friend of his” who teaches “similar workshops” for men. A co-worker named David DeAngelo perhaps? Or is JIM David DeAngelo? And why can’t I find a PHOTO of David DeAngelo on line? Pretty fishy.
And if this Jim guy really DID research and compile all this information… if it really is his work and passion to help women better their relationships with men… then why wouldn’t he just be real and tell us his name? What’s with all the smoke and mirrors?
Point is, there are plenty of legitimate authors and relationship coaches out there for both men and women. These people appear on radio and TV talk shows. They publish. You can buy their books on Amazon. You can Google them and SEE THEIR FACES, for Pete’s sake.
Caveat emptor, kids. Hope I just saved people from wasting their time and money on these jokers.
Jordana
Jordana,
I met Christian “Jim” Carter in Chicago at the DYD seminar. he is definitely not Dave D. You’re absolutely right, all these looks and zero spark. DD on the other hand has quite an interesting personality although doesnt look as good. He even made a joke about Christian being the “resident wussy”, haha. Can you say damage control.
My guess is, Jim is the proverbial “one of thr girls” metro-boy with a misplaced sense of sympathy. Hell, he even may be genuine with this.
On the other, being a master marketer DaveD sure knows a nieche when he sees one so it doesn’t really matter who found who, they work together.
These are the facts. Personally I think little-to-none harm is done by this stuff. Most hot women don’t read “catch him and keep him”, more like the “sexual awakening” like Steve P teaches. So those of us who are after hotties, have nothing to worry about.
And those who are after the average girlfriend: well mayeb its even better if she reads books on how to catch you and keep you
after all shes trying.. she really is trying! 
Love to all.
J
Hi guys!
Can anyone please send me the ebook of ‘Catch Him and Keep Him’ It would be much appreciated. Thanks.
And just for the record, there are plenty of hot girls out there who may want relationship advice because is ie, insecure because she has been messed around by arseholes. Maybe she is looking for something more than sex, such as someone who truely cares for her and not just her ‘package’.
Business’ tend to change ‘sides’ if they can see a greater profit in the shift of opinion. You only have to look at politics to see how easy people in power opinions change. Get over it! And if you’re pissed off because you think that this ebook will harm your chances of getting laid then either get a prostitute or get yourself a girlfriend where you can have regular sex. You get what you put into life and if you take the piss then it will come back at you. And for goodness sake stop spending so much time on this damn website!
Jade,
can’t email you the book becasue it’s an E-book, and they are code protected. I’m not even sure I can actually open it up again anymore, havn’t tried in a while. I made 2 copies. One for my self and one for my friend, who is a model, for the record. It didn’t matter to me who wrote the book and if some of the advice was not necessary for me. There were affirmations and confirmations and some points he was making i needed to hear at that the time I bought it. Most importantly, Christian or Jim or David or whomever he is….talks about how ultimatly unimportant perfect features are for a quality man. Do any men want to be catorgorized as shallow, superficial scum? I doubt it. we see beauty in what we adore and love for those capable of feeling love.
The guys who write they would never go out with women who read the book are retarded(sorry to be so politically incorrect). not only would they never know, but do they pride themselves on hipocrasy? Those guys must ghave read something of the david what’s his face’s book? I call them retarded because if they don’t realize that it’s GOOD that women read books like that, then they are boring and uncreative and not not worthy.
Bottom line is the book serves its purpose.
eve
ps, I’ve been refereed to as hot, pretty and beautiful….(not a model,(liek my friend) but mistaken for an actress often)…I only say that becasue there was someone in this list who mentioned only loser-ughs would buy such a book.
so do you think this particular book is useful, does it deliver?
If you people cared to take the time, you would see that Carter and DeAngelo are in fact two seperate people, trust me.
Why are their newsletters similar, and over content or “style” in wepage, etc… similar? Allow me to elaborate for you stupid fuckers, pardon my Spanish.
Do you honestly think that David D. writes his own newletters? Seriously, the man is all about the dollars! David used his establishment to distribute Carters book, these resources include, the same people who made his website and distribute his newletters. Like David D designed the website personally.
You disillusioned dumbasses.
-Vincent Chase
It does not matter how confident, fun, non needy, ‘withholding sex’(at the beginning) a woman may be with a guy. IF his goal is ONLY to get her into bed, there is no ‘trick’ or ‘way to be’ with him to ‘make’ him want a relationship. Sure, he may stay around a little longer..the thrill of the chase..but he will either 1)finally achieve his goal and move on or 2)get tired/frustrated at trying and look elsewhere for easier targets. Sure, a woman can be ‘fooled’ into believing he wants something more meaningful than a roll in the hay, by his words and actions, but despite how secure, intelligent, and aware that many ladies are, we are not mind readers. Only time will tell, since no one can (or should) ‘demand’ the true intentions of someone else.
Have not read this book, but if it is a way to CHANGE a man’s intentions if he is JUST looking for sex, thats a waste of time. If it serves as ‘warning’ signals, well that may depend how well he plays the ‘game.’ So if a woman ‘withholds’ sex, its self protection from being mislead or used. Until she can reasonably feel assured that he values her more than just a bed partner. Because she values HERSELF enough to want this.
Some men here sound not too happy at this author ‘giving up’ secrets of what some men do to ‘get one thing.’ A betrayal. But if she was a ‘victim’ of being ‘played,’ and as a result became bitter or mistrustful, who wins? These the kind of women you want to meet? Or wonder why they are acting like that towards YOU, who may actually be open to a relationship with the right person?
And am NOT saying that there are women who arent manipulative, dishonest, cheating, etc. They are the same bad news as players.
What I question is self help books that TEACH someone how to ‘trick’ or manipulate someone else, male or female. For a goal that he/she wants but the other person is not willing. ‘How to CATCH Him and KEEP Him? Or ‘How to GET Her Into Bed?’? What to SAY or DO to get what YOU want and who cares about the other..
As long as there are David DiAngelo books teaching men how to ‘get what they want’, there will be books for women on ‘what to look out for.’ And it wouldnt be any surprise if by the same author. Like a former home thief writing on how to protect your home. Makes sense that Mr. DiAngelo would cash in on that one…
Hi guys,
I’m just a gal with a lot of experiences and want to help out the girls. Maybe he has some good stuff, anyway.
I don’t think you get the point. If you want the book, buy it. I read a couple of great reviews by WOMEN. I also wrote a book and it is a PUBLISHED book at booklocker, had to be reviewed before publishing. But that doesn’t mean that Carter isn’t on the level, what with good reviews for a book. And we ladies need all the help we can get, thank you. Thousands of women have benifited from my book. My blog is also popular as it contains advice for some pretty sticky situations.
All the best,
Lady Lorrington
I read Christian Carter’s book and I think it is very good information for anyone who is ready for a serious committed relationship such as marraige. The person who is not looking for a committed relationship when reading this book will become frustrated.
BTW: From the looks of the previous emails, the withholding sex part must be very true. ;O)
hey. can any kind soul send me the eBook? it doesnt sound good. so i did not want spend any money. so please send it to me alright? thanks.
BAHAHA!
You women are so cheap.
Get out in the field and learn how get yourself a man the same way we men do it.
Ya cheap corner stoop occupier! BAHAHA!
I’ve never come across such a sniveling bunch of insecure crybabies in my life. Have you ever heard of equal time? Despite these guys’ obvious money and support connection (it *surprises* you that your game-playing, conniving hero D’Angelo would sell out, when he’s been selling out half the population all these years?), they’re marketing to entirely different audiences with different objectives. Relax, for godsake.
I AM the hot chick, boys — not an UG or a fat girl (your descriptions and your titles are so ’80s, by the way) but beautiful, sexy, smart, funny, and great in bed — and believe me, I’ve been playing you guys just as much as you’ve been playing me all these years. You weren’t tricking me, silly boys — I wanted the same thing you wanted. We’re not *that* different. And oh yeah, by the way, I can recognize you all a mile away.
So what happens when you get a little older and all the faceless sex starts to blur together and you think you might want to find one person with whom you can, I dunno, talk and laugh and actually hang out and have a connection and maybe even *better* sex with? (Knowing how to land a girl in bed is a far cry from knowing how to do something earthshaking once you get there, and a lot of you need some serious work — and maybe another book — in that area.) That’s who this guy is catering to — the girl who is on an entirely different track from you. And by advising them not to allow their track to intersect with your track without going off course is real sage advice. I’d think you would agree. Why would you want to run up against a long-term-monogamy-seeking chick when you’re still in hard-core playboy mode? You wouldn’t, right? Or maybe you would if she was hot, and then you’d try to trick her into your game. If that’s the case, why couldn’t she try to work her mojo against you while you’re working yours against her? It’s only fair. Maybe she could find a guy whose interest in the game is waning a little too and try to steer him (not trick him, please note) toward a different path. We can’t accomplish what you don’t want us to do. Or if we can, it’s because you’re weak, not because we’re strong.
My main point is, girls like me don’t want guys like you. We’re catches and we’re looking for nothing less ourselves. Yeah, you may have 6-pack abs or some well-rehearsed lines or a disingenuous kind of charm or confidence, but that shit’s all just a road block to a real relationship with a real guy, and this Christian or Mark or David or whoever he is is teaching girls how to sniff out those roadblocks and avoid them. Period. Those of us with any experience already know the smell of you, but a lot of girls probably don’t, so cheers to the guy for pointing out your characteristics. Believe me, all we want to do is leave you alone. We fully support you staying bachelors forever.
And as for the tricks you all are so paranoid about, this author isn’t teaching any. Apparently that’s your purview. Rather than giving girls instrux on how to make unsuspecting men run into their arms, he’s pointing out things girls often do to chase them away and is telling them how to avoid those pitfalls. But let me reiterate: Wherever, and to whomever, you dudes run or walk toward or away from is entirely your own choice. Don’t let the door hit you on your way out. I hope to god you don’t actually consider yourselves the kind of puppets on a string you make yourselves out to be here, but if you do, more the reason for you to stay here and not in my way.
And, P.S., the hype to make a girl pay the $27 is a little misleading, so I encourage any of you with a major bug up your ass to actually read the book before spouting off.
Hey!! does anyone have this catch him and keep him ebook?…I really want to read it too but i don’t want to spend a cent. From what i’ve seen with the post. I kinda doubt to buy this. If you have the ebook, can u email it to me. Thanks
Any kind of girl is allowed to read any kind of reading materials they want. Girls wouldn’t have to be ugs to read Mr. CC’s NewsLetter/e-book and don’t have to be beautiful to not reading it. Anyway why bothering to say things on that guy (CC), he won’t care a bit, if people like the e-book they’ll buy it no matter what others say, right Mr. CC? Anyway he had stopped sending me regular NL since last Feb, I suppose he’s tired since I have no any intention to buy his e-book – I’m sure this Mr. CC visit this blog everyday so let’s just thank him on his effort…anyway Mr.CC, there’s someone out of nowhere asking me to e-mail ur NLs last Feb…and I sent him ur 11 NLs…..
you people saying that fat ugly women will only read the book are a bunch of freaks. It sounds like the author Christan Carter is trying to tell women how to avoid certain behaviors that a man would be thrown off about. in other words the women could be beautiful, but appear to be to needy, insecure, a drama queen, and more.
And this beautiful women has trouble with certain men that she sees that she wants to be serious with.
and so what if another person is marketing his book. He didnt study marketing for years, he studied male psychology for years. Marketing is just not his expertise. If you made a really cool product that you thought would sell, wouldnt you hire someone with expertise to market your item? The guy has potential, i think. Why are you all so tempted to put the author down when most of you havent even read his book. Look at that idiot author of the book titled “He’s Just Not Into You” and his recent release “Its called a breakup becuase its brocken” … the title is basically the same as the whole book. well that thing was selling like mad.
Belle Elle….. where do I begin…
You are the typical example of why men come to sites like this. Women like you are all about what they want, what they need, and the people who don’t give it to them are malfunctioned.
You say you can smell guys like these coming from afar, this means that you have had experiences with these guys. Now if you are here complaining about these men, then why would you have any past experience with them?
No, no… don’t try to think, let me answer that for you: Because you are a hypocrit.
You keep thinking like this and you’ll either end up alone for the rest of your life, or marrying some morron who is affraid to think for himself.
I would bet that you are the type of girl who has either never, or isen’t now letting any guy come close to her in a normal fashion. I think that if a guy tries to approach you, you will already have your bitch-shield put up.
And the only way for the guy to prove to your paranoid mind that he is worthy of being with you, is to make you think you are not worthy of being with him.
You are one of those women who keeps the vicious circle between men and women running perfectly. You say that you are beutifull, sexy, smart and funny. But if that is so, then why are you here complaining about how these men act, instead of beïng happy and enjoying life with a boyfriend or husband.
Let me guess: It’s not your fault, it’s men, they are the ones with the problem. They are the reason why things aren’t working out for you.
You tell these peeps to relax, how can they relax with women like you out there? You are totally oblivious of your own role in this whole situation.
Let me explain something to you. In general, men who play the game only succeed with women who play it themselves. These same women think that all men want is SEX. These women think that by strutting they’re stuff, they can find a cool guy who will noy only have sex with her, but also enter a in a monogamous relationship with her.
Ofcourse these men either blow these women off after the sex, or keep them on a leash for when they want sex.
Reason this happens is becasue these women have nothing else to offer then a hot body. Well if that’s all you have to offer, then that’s all your goïng to get. Very simple and reasonable.
You may think you beutifull, smart etc. but your probably sadly mistaken. You probably just have a hot body that men like to fuck. Or you might actually be al these things, but you think that knowing that you are is the same as showing that you are.
If you run game on men, men will run game on you and vice versa. This is the vicious circle I’m talking about. And people like you keep it up and running. Your nothing but a coward.
And you are excactly the same as these men whom you called insecure crybabies.
Now why don’t you go of to a club, and spend your night blowing off men who are trying to get to know you, but can’t measure up to your “beutifull, sexy, smart, funny and great in bed” character.
Ya slut.
The Darkchild
Damn, look at all those long ass posts…
I’m sure glad this blog is turning to shit fast
ZOINK!!
I think the book gave good information on how to attract the right type of man and keep him.
CC explains that men are visual so they see a woman and they like her and want to sleep with her but that does not necessarily mean commitment or relationship to men.
Most of my relationships with men have been based on sex. I was attracting the wrong type of men, the playboys who did not want a relationship like I did. But in my mind I thought that sex = a commitment and it does not.
I read the book because I wanted to attract the right kind of man but not just because I am attractive on the outside but also because there is something on the inside of me that he likes as well.