DYD Mastery Recap, Day 2
May 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under Rants & Reviews
Hey everyone,
Glad to see my recap of the first day got such a great response. I appreciate all types of feedback, the good and the bad, so keep it coming.
As I’m writing these reviews, I’m often reminded of watching a movie trilogy of some type. Usually, the second episode in a movie series is the darkest of the storyline, and I guess it’s no different here, since Day Two of the seminar was definitely the worst, in my opinion. But like all good stories, it has to get bad before it can get good, and when it does get good (and boy, does it!), the highs are higher than you ever imagined.
So with that in mind, here’s my recap of the second day of the DYD Masters seminar. I tried to keep things balanced, but I’m sure my disappointment at this day will come through loud and clear. Keep in mind, most of what I’m writing are my own personal views and opinions on things, and shouldn’t be taken as fact or reflect what the final DYD product is going to be like. Just so we’re clear on that, let’s get on to the meat of my recap…
Day 2
The Good
So Day Two of the Double Your Dating Mastery seminar rolls around, and everyone meets it with a great sense of excitement and optimism after the high of the first day. Of course, Tyler and the other RSD instructors present were visibly tired from their late-night workshop that most likely ran into the wee hours of the morning, yet they were still present to learn some of the great new concepts David D was sure to share with us that day.
David D didn’t disappoint. He had tons and tons of great information to cover. Nothing really groundbreaking or new, but solid info that’s more than good enough to recap.
One of the major concepts Daivd D introduced, and this was something I’ve been hearing from Swinggcat for the past year, was that in addition to making friends with 5 guys who are good at meeting women, you want to make friends with at least 3 very attractive women. Attractive, as in, attractive to YOU! David D talked about how having attractive female friends can help out a guy on so many levels, and he went on to talk about how people make other people their friends (for the TRUE losers out there who really have NOBODY in their life).
David D broke this down to having some sort of “Inner Bond” with them. He listed six characteristics that can help create this inner bond. A lot of what he had to say dealt with finding or creating commonalities between people. Things like “having a common oppressor,” and “sharing secrets” and the like. I found this section interesting because it is really fascinating how people make friends with each other, and why some people are friends and some aren’t.
David D also talked about “Honest Signals” and how you can communicate to women that you are being straight with them and genuine. This harkened back a bit to David X’s talk the night before, but not too much.
The next topic up was on Approaching, a subject I’m very interested in as you all know. For the most part, David D talked about ineffective approaches and what men do WRONG when first talking to a woman. Things like trying to get approval by giving it, calling and writing too often, giving too much, selling far too in advance, and not paying attention to the woman are all things that can botch an otherwise good approach. But the most interesting thing he talked about in this subject were the signs that a woman is looking for a man.
Basically, if an attractive woman seems unhappy, it’s often connected to her relationship, and this means she’s open to other men who may present a better choice for her. He also pointed out that if an attractive woman continues to spar with you when you’re teasing her, it’s usually a big signal that she’s happy and available. I’d like to get more into this, because it’s fascinating stuff, but you’re going to have to buy the course to find out more. (suffer, dudes)
David D shared with the seminar attendees his 5 foundations of success, which were: Language, Communication, Sales, Marketing, and Public Speaking. He elaborated on all five of these principals and how they relate to all aspects of life, be it women or business. In talking to some of the marketing gurus that were in attendance at the seminar, I got the impression that marketing is not much different from meeting women. You have a target/customer, you communicate and entice them for your product, and you get them to want to have it.
Finally, David D shared with us his age-old concept of “Reverse Rapport.” This goes back to the old days when he used to post on Cliff’s List as Sisonpyh with his concept of “breaking rapport,” which would put the burden on the other person to try and gain rapport in the interaction. Reverse Rapport is basically when you say and do the opposite of what someone might do who’s trying to make someone like them, but all in a sarcastic, overly serious way that assumes rapport.
Overall, David shared some kick-ass awesome stuff with us this day. But unfortuneately, all the good stuff quickly got forgotten about once the guest speakers started…
The Bad
Okay, so I covered all the Good that took place on Friday, the second day of the seminar. Now it’s time to touch on the bad, and overall, Day 2 was probably the WORST day of the seminar, bar none. It really had nothing to do with David D himself, especially since he seemed to be loosening up from the day before and not snapping as much, though he did have a tendency to harshly make fun of a few of the seminar attendees on stage, but that didn’t happen often enough to make it a big deal.
Where the whole thing started to unravel was with the two Guest Speakers that were there to share their views on Dating, Seduction, and what have you. Now, I’m a pretty open minded guy (at least, I like to think so), but these two speakers really tested the boundaries of my bullshit limits. It was so bad, that many of the invited speakers were seriously considering not coming back for Day 3, especially since a good deal of them did not like David X’s interview all that much.
The first blow was with Tari, who’s Interview CD came out last month. It’s obvious why women go for him. He’s an archetype I’ve seen many times before. The cool, aloof, artsy, woman trapped in a good looking man’s body. He’s very much the Dandy, but the type of Dandy that women fall in love with, marry, and wake up ten years later to find that he’s been pumping other dudes in the ass all along while lying to himself that he likes chicks.
Seriously, this guy was G-A-Y. Even three dollar bills would have thought this guy was way beyond a flamer. Up on stage, he announced to everyone that he’s a self-professed metrosexual. Which is okay, I guess, but when you combine being a metrosexual with limp-wristed wu-wu mentality, you get a dude straight out of West Hollywood, which is exactly where this Tari guy seemed to belong.
I had heard a bit of Tari’s interview the week before, as Swinggcat played it in his car as we were on our way to a club. He sounded Gay even then, with his effeminate voice and soft spoken-tone. His voice almost reminded me of Orion’s to a certain extent. But that parallel with Orion didn’t stop there. After listening to him speak, it became clear that Tari would make the perfect poster-boy for “Rapid Romance.”
His philosophy was very much about telling women how you feel and express yourself to them. He does have a bit of cocky/funny and other tactics in his game, but this stuff is so basic, it made people’s eyes roll. Pretty much the PUA equivalent of listening to a kindergartener reciting his ABCs.
The part of the interview that this was most obvious was when Tari turned to the audience and said “Here’s something that I’ve just discovered which is truly amazing. And that’s that the more women I’ve been with, the more I realize that… all women are bisexual!”
This caused more than a few groans in the audience. The dude’s big revelation was one that has been talked about in this community for years, and he’s just now coming to that realization? Did he even bother to listen to the DYD Advanced Series with Rick H? Most likely, it’s not that all women are bisexual, it’s that most of the women he’s with are lesbians who mistake him for a hot chick.
Tari also continued the David X tradition of joking about ass fucking, which had a slightly different connotation when Tari did it because most of the guys in the audience were getting the impression that he’s been pumped more than once in his time. He talked about an inside joke he and a friend of his came up with regarding UPS’s add campaign “Where will Brown take you?” and how they related it to anal sex after a session of “healthy banter.” (One of my favorite quotes of the seminar was someone who said “Men don’t have Healthy Banter. If you have Healthy Banter, you’re a fag.”) His friend was dubbed “The King of Brown,” since apparently he gets so much anal sex. Tari never clarified whether that anal sex was with women, though.
This sparked a big in-joke within the crowd about using the word “Brown” to refer to things or other guys as Gay. “Oh, those shoes are so BROWN!” “Yo bro, that joke is BROWN.” “Hey man, you putting your cock in my ass is much too BROWN for my liking.” “This guest speaker is totally BROWN.” You get the picture.
Anyway, David D tried to make a joke of it and get away from the ass fucking topic, but Tari seemed to persist like it was his favorite thing in the world (I wouldn’t put it past him). The rapport David D had with Tari made his interview with David X seem like they had known each other for years. It was obvious that the two of them really had nothing to talk about or connect on. Finally, David left the stage and let Tari ramble on. Tari had a few good things to share, but he was creating a lot of confusion in the audience because much of it seemed to go against the David D philosophy on so many levels. It was almost like listening to a chick talk about what she likes to do with her girlfriends.
Tari also talked about how he is a dancer, and how that gets him lots of chicks. I could almost imagine Tari busting into the club “Brian Boytano” style with his chick-magnet rallying cry of “I’m STHUPER! Thanks for ATHKING!” The worst was when he talked about how he made a living, which was selling journals on e-bay. These were big, bulky, leather bound, Italian, hand-made journals which David D was helping him hock. One of the marketing guys there dubbed them the “Harry Potter books” since they seemed like they were a prop from the movie. However, no one cared about them. It was something that girls would love to buy, but straight guys would have no interest in.
As Tari rambled on, most of us in the audience were suffering through his chick-logic induced thought patterns. When it finally got to the point that the seminar attendees got to ask questions, Tari became even more useless as he wasn’t really able to answer anyone who questioned him with useful information. Finally, David D got him off stage and gave the audience a much needed break.
During the break, me and a few other guys talked about how bad this speaker was, and how it simply couldn’t get any worse than Tari. But things were looking on the up and up with the next guest speaker, which was a really hot little blonde woman. Many people thought this was Marie, from David D’s interview series, and were really looking forward to hearing her speak. Unfortunately, we were all dead wrong.
The woman was actually a girl named Amber (I forget her last name). She was a former assistant to Tony Robins and also in good with a guy named David Data, who wrote a book called “The Way of the Superior Man.” She was dressed in an odd little black corset which prominently displayed her breasts. Amber definitely knew how to move her body (she moved like a stripper), and exuded a definite sex appeal. In fact, I was rather turned on by her… until she opened her mouth, that is.
The interview started off with some playful banter between her and David D, who created some sexual tension by moving the lavaliere mic on Amber’s bodice from one breast to the other. Then David got into the interview and let Amber loose upon his audience, and it was not a pretty sight. Honestly, most of us didn’t think it could get much worse than Tari, but we were wrong. Dead wrong.
Amber is a woman, through and through. But she’s not a cool woman. She’s the kind who belongs on some hippy compound somewhere bathing in patchouli stink while braiding her armpit hair. A total New-Age Wu-Wu. She rambled on and on about energy and charkas and all kinds of other stuff. There were mumbles going through the audience from people saying things like “What the fuck? This is the reason I left SS,” and other rumblings.
Things just continued to degenerate when David D left the stage and Amber started taking the audience through Yoga exercises designed to make us “feel our male integrity.” She had us bend our knees, put our hands over our head, and move as if we were “pushing through honey.”
If the audience had gotten confused with Tari, it was with this speaker that the audience just got totally lost. Everything she was saying was so far out there and contradicted so heavily with David D’s teachings, that everyone was just getting frustrated and confused. She even told everyone “I don’t agree with Cocky and Funny.” She even had David D saying he regretted the philosophy of Cocky and Funny and that he’s actually trying to get away from that concept.
I don’t know if he was pandering to his guest speaker at that moment, but that’s where most of us just lost it. In our eyes, Amber had no credibility what so ever, and David D was quickly losing it as well. The worst thing about Amber was that she was coming totally from the place of a woman, and made no attempt to sympathize or even understand the male way of thinking.
However, the best part was when an audience attendee got up to ask a question and started tooling Amber with Cocky/Funny tactics which totally negated any of her views that C/F doesn’t work. He asked her a very logical question about how to deal with women on a conversational level when they ask what you do for a living. Amber asked him:
“What do you do?”
He responded:
“I work at Taco Bell.”
At this point the entire audience erupted in laughter. Finally, someone had reattached their balls and was standing up to this idiot on stage. Of course, this went right over Amber’s head.
Amber: “You work at Taco Bell?”
David D: (recognizes the joke) “Uh, I really don’t think he works there.”
Student: (acting slightly ashamed) “Yeah, you’re right. It’s only a part time job.”
More laughter.
Amber: “What is it you really do?”
Student: “I have a PhD in Sexual Therapy and Sciences.”
This is, of course, what Amber claimed to have. More laughter. It was funny that Amber decried the believability of Cocky and Funny as a tactic to get women, yet when this student pulled out the C&F, she looked like a dear in headlights. Like we always say, it’s not what women prefer, it’s what they respond to, and Amber, despite her declaration to the contrary, was responding to the Cocky and Funny.
At this point, David D could see the tide was turning against his guest speaker and shut down the questions. Amber wanted to take us all through yet another yoga exercise. Many people had had enough. This is the point where me and a group of other people decided to leave the seminar room in disgust.
The Ugly
As you can tell, there was a lot of ugly going on at this day of the seminar, mostly to do with the guest speakers. Mystery was absent this day, so I don’t know what he was up to. I was thinking he didn’t feel like showing up after the NEG David D threw his way the day before, but more likely, he had better stuff to do before his presentation the next day.
When I arrived at the seminar room that morning, I was late (again). Why these seminars start so early in the morning, I’ll never know. But when I got there, I saw Major Mark in the lobby talking on his cell. I sat down and joined him. It seems there were some problems with Steve Piccus coming up that day. Mark told me that David D had screwed him out of a hotel room and Steve was pissed about it and considering not coming up. From what I learned later, there was just a misunderstanding between a few people and it wasn’t David D’s fault at all that Piccus did not have a room. Things eventually got worked out. Mark also told me about a trip he’s planning to Bangkok for the summer, and how his wife wants him to go with some of his buddy’s and have some fun. We talked a bit about how nice it must be to have a wife who wants you to fuck other women.
The bulk of the Ugly came from Amber’s stint on stage. Many people were extremely disgusted with what she was sharing with the guys at the seminar. One of the marketing guys I talked to told me he couldn’t understand what the fuck David was thinking by putting her and Tari up on stage, because he completely lost his audience with them.
A few people even dubbed the seminar “Double Your Menstruating” after seeing the crap Amber was pitching at everyone. It might have been a different story if David D had set the stage for her talk a bit more with some new concepts, but he didn’t, rather, he just put her up there to wreak havoc on the masses.
Some of us had a theory that there were some “sexual favors” at work when trying to figure out why David D would put her on stage. Some people thought that Amber had seduced David D in order to get on one of his products so she could start building her own client base for her relationship consulting business. Another theory was that David D was supplicating to her and got her up on stage in an effort to get her to sleep with him. Many people did seem to think that Daivd D was much too “wussy” around her. I don’t really believe either theory, though they are interesting to entertain.
Most likely (and this is my personal theory on this situation), this was just a further attempt by David D to undercut what MINE’99 is doing with SS and the direction that is going. I think there is a small subsection of people who buy into Yoga and all that New Age crap as a method of Seduction, and by including Amber, David D was hoping to take that market away from MINE’99 by including it in his “Double Your Dating” Philosophy. However, seeing that the Yoga and New Ag Wu-Wu junk just keeps alienating people from SS, I can’t see why David D would want to incorporate anything like this into his method.
A friend of mine also overheard David D talk about how he’s probably going to have to edit the guest speakers from Day 2 completely out of his final product. I wouldn’t be surprised if all of Tari’s stuff hit the cutting room floor, but a lot of Amber may be kept in, since he talked about her and continued to reference her stuff through days 3 and 4. My recommendation to all of you is that you skip that part of the series and move on to Day 3 stuff once the product hits the streets.
My Experience
Overall, I had a great experience on Day 2 at the seminar. My chat with Major Mark was a nice one, and I find the guy very engaging to talk to. I also went out to lunch that day with a marketing guy I met at diner the night before and he gave me a lot of great advice for my ebook.
It wasn’t until the guest speakers came up that I started hating life. Tari was bearable, but the Amber speech destroyed any interest I had in the seminar. I know that after that day, if I had paid to be there, I’d have demanded my money back.
After the seminar, some friends and I all went out for diner and discussed how we couldn’t believe how bad the speakers were. We often discussed what David D must have been thinking getting them up on stage.
Afterwards, we all went down to Venice Beach and hit up a club down there, where we had a number of drinks and a few good sets. One interesting thing about these seminars is that your game, for the short term, actually suffers. It’s like information overload and you’re just sick of doing this stuff.
We ended the night around two o’clock, and I went home to go to sleep, hoping, praying that Day 3 of the seminar would be better. Hoping that things couldn’t get any worse than the Friday seminar.
Luckily, my prayers were answered. In fact, they were far, far surpassed, as I felt day 3 of the seminar was the best one there was!
To Be Continued…
***If you’re interested in Double Your Dating, you can find out more about it by clicking here.
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Hey what’s up guys,
I know Amber and ran across her at the Tony Robbins events. Dude, she is fucking hot, and there’s no wonder why Dave was supplicating her. She really has her act together. Thing is like TC mentioned, she’s a chic that probably doesn’t quite get what works and what doesn’t when it comes to attracting women.
When I saw her back in November at Unleash the Power Within in New Jersey, I immediately began gaming her just like any other chic. How do you think she responded?
Just like any other chic. Giggly,iois, etc
PS. Kickass review TC!!!!
PPS Ross you still suck ass
“which had a slightly different connotation when Tari did it because most of the guys in the audience were getting the impression that he’s been pumped more than once in his time.”
Hahahahahahah hahahahahaha hahahahahahaah ahahahhaha hahahahaha hahahahah ahahahahha
Dude, I am still laughing out loud about this.
I’ll comment since I was there.
Tari seemed like a cool guy when I talked to him earlier that day but my opinion definately changed about him after the interview on stage. I don’t know if he pounds ass but he’s definately into himself enough I could picture him pounding his own ass.
Amber was just fucking ridiculous. I got a chance to game her a little before her appearance on stage when she sat down next to me and NEXT’d her. At one point on stage during the question and answer part she was asked a question about a Pierce Brosnan picture showed earlier that day in the seminar. She didn’t know who Pierce Brosnan was. Dave told her he’s James Bond. She didn’t KNOW YOU JAMES BOND WAS!!!!! She simply replied “I don’t watch TV.”
I rolled my eyes. I couldn’t listen to anything else that came out of her mouth. She was all but 25 years old. She’s obviously never done anything more in her life than rread books on self help and eastern thought.
That night at the RSD workshop Tyler asked us about Amber and we all agreed it was pretty useless. The next day at lunch Dave went from table to table asking what we thought about Amber and I flat I told him I thought she was a loon. I consider myself a down to Earth guy and she’s way out in outer space (a galaxy FAR, FAR away).
But I agree with TC, Dave’s content on this day was top notch!
One more comment. Its obvious to me that Amber and David D have dated at some point and in real life. At one point she even slipped up and called David by his real name.
His real name? Spill it, inquiring minds want to know!
Great reporting thundercat. Dont listen to the “dont incite people please” talk. Your reporting is honest I assume, funny, and good to know about.
I get an impression the DYD guys kind of look at the RSD guys as “net thrash” or something because they arent making multi millions off seduction shit and are more “grass roots” than them and their mass marketing.
The chick speaker thing sounds like david d is totally out of touch with the community.
Condesending looks or such at day one, and “negging” mystery which I take to mean being rude not a neg for questioning him is just “off” in my view as I assume he was an invited guest.
I was invited to an RSD seminar and disagreed with something and the instructor got snippy with me I wouldnt be back the next day myself. An invitation in my view to a competitor isnt an “come and sit there and shut the fuck up like you like everything I say” deal in my book.
Anyhow, ya should come by the chatroom at FS sometime thundercat, your unapologetic examination of the “politics” of the community would fit right in, compared to how it gets thought of as negative on the boards.
Lot of sexual power and social power based egos, guys teaching guys how to influence guys that they themselves must influence to get em to fill the seats! Hell how could it not make for interesting politics? Not talking about something thats interesting doesnt make anyone not wanna hear about it any less, just lose a bit of entertainment like this blogs reports for curtailing em.
fuck, it looks like it was great event!!
why the fuck I am not there??
I would died laughting…..
Ha ha ha ha. Yoga and chakras! Ha ha ha ha.
I told ya Eben was a copy cat. And not even a good one! And supplicating on stage to a chick all the while CLAIMING to be Mr. Cocky/Funny?
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Oh, I couldn’t have SCRIPTED this kind of fiasco for DeAnushole if I tried!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
For the real stuff that really works:
http://www.seduction.com
RJ
93/93
Ha ha ha ha. Yoga and chakras! Ha ha ha ha.
I told ya Eben was a copy cat. And not even a good one! And supplicating on stage to a chick all the while CLAIMING to be Mr. Cocky/Funny?
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Oh, I couldn’t have SCRIPTED this kind of fiasco for DeAnushole if I tried!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
For the real stuff that really works:
http://www.seduction.com
RJ
93/93
Ha ha ha ha. Yoga and chakras! Ha ha ha ha.
I told ya Eben was a copy cat. And not even a good one! And supplicating on stage to a chick all the while CLAIMING to be Mr. Cocky/Funny?
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Oh, I couldn’t have SCRIPTED this kind of fiasco for DeAnushole if I tried!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
For the real stuff that really works:
http://www.seduction.com
RJ
93/93
Ha ha ha ha. Yoga and chakras! Ha ha ha ha.
I told ya Eben was a copy cat. And not even a good one! And supplicating on stage to a chick all the while CLAIMING to be Mr. Cocky/Funny?
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Oh, I couldn’t have SCRIPTED this kind of fiasco for DeAnushole if I tried!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
For the real stuff that really works:
http://www.seduction.com
RJ
93/93
Ha ha ha ha. Yoga and chakras! Ha ha ha ha.
I told ya Eben was a copy cat. And not even a good one! And supplicating on stage to a chick all the while CLAIMING to be Mr. Cocky/Funny?
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Oh, I couldn’t have SCRIPTED this kind of fiasco for DeAnushole if I tried!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
For the real stuff that really works:
http://www.seduction.com
RJ
93/93
Ha ha ha ha. Yoga and chakras! Ha ha ha ha.
I told ya Eben was a copy cat. And not even a good one! And supplicating on stage to a chick all the while CLAIMING to be Mr. Cocky/Funny?
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Oh, I couldn’t have SCRIPTED this kind of fiasco for DeAnushole if I tried!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
For the real stuff that really works:
http://www.seduction.com
RJ
93/93
Ha ha ha ha. Yoga and chakras! Ha ha ha ha.
I told ya Eben was a copy cat. And not even a good one! And supplicating on stage to a chick all the while CLAIMING to be Mr. Cocky/Funny?
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Oh, I couldn’t have SCRIPTED this kind of fiasco for DeAnushole if I tried!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
For the real stuff that really works:
http://www.seduction.com
RJ
93/93
Ha ha ha ha. Yoga and chakras! Ha ha ha ha.
I told ya Eben was a copy cat. And not even a good one! And supplicating on stage to a chick all the while CLAIMING to be Mr. Cocky/Funny?
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Oh, I couldn’t have SCRIPTED this kind of fiasco for DeAnushole if I tried!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
For the real stuff that really works:
http://www.seduction.com
RJ
93/93
Ha ha ha ha. Yoga and chakras! Ha ha ha ha.
I told ya Eben was a copy cat. And not even a good one! And supplicating on stage to a chick all the while CLAIMING to be Mr. Cocky/Funny?
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Oh, I couldn’t have SCRIPTED this kind of fiasco for DeAnushole if I tried!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
For the real stuff that really works:
http://www.seduction.com
RJ
93/93
Ha ha ha ha. Yoga and chakras! Ha ha ha ha.
I told ya Eben was a copy cat. And not even a good one! And supplicating on stage to a chick all the while CLAIMING to be Mr. Cocky/Funny?
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Oh, I couldn’t have SCRIPTED this kind of fiasco for DeAnushole if I tried!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
For the real stuff that really works:
http://www.seduction.com
RJ
93/93
Ha ha ha ha. Yoga and chakras! Ha ha ha ha.
I told ya Eben was a copy cat. And not even a good one! And supplicating on stage to a chick all the while CLAIMING to be Mr. Cocky/Funny?
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Oh, I couldn’t have SCRIPTED this kind of fiasco for DeAnushole if I tried!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
For the real stuff that really works:
http://www.seduction.com
RJ
93/93
Jesus S. Murphy,
Has it occurred to you, Thundy, that if the speakers were so horrible, maybe DeAnalhole didn’t even bother to check them out FIRST, to see if they were good presenters? That he was just, as I’ve said all along, LOOKING TO PAD OUT THE EVENT WITH AS MUCH STUFF AS POSSIBLE TO JUSTIFY THE LACK OF ANY REAL CONTENT?
Duh………
And DeAnalube SUPPLICATING ON STAGE TO A WOMAN?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha
Jesus H. Flipper and Lassie…..could I have possibly SCRIPTED anything funnier?
RJ
P.S. The yoga and chakra stuff has REAL application, properly taught. But again, DeAnuslips is not only trying to copy-cat me, as even Thundy speculates, he’s doing it POORLY.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Hey guys
lets play a game and try to be as desperate as possible!
Hey Ross!!
YOU WIN!!!
LOL!!
I wanna be YOU when I grow up! Look at you! Your last name can be used as a first name too!!
You are the SHIT, COWBOY!
PS: You doubleposted
And get the fuck off my lawn, brown cowboy.
TC: thanks dude
Hey Paul Ross,
You are truly a genius. You have turned the analytical eyes on this thread from David D to YOURSELF by posting a record TWELVE times in a row! Paul, are you really that desperate to get your point across? Why would you suplicate to Thundercat’s Lair like that? (speaking of supplicating to Thundercat…guess who the NUMBER ONE poster is here everybody? I mean the person with the most posts? That’s right…PAUL ROSS!)
Paul, maybe he should have gotten Vince to speak? If he could have pulled him out of his 8-some at the Standard Hotel, it would have been a great performance.
But don’t worry… I’m sure Vince will join the DeAngelo camp soon. You see, EVERY ONE of Paul’s “top students” has eventually woken up and left the heard (cult?)…or went to jail. Why do you think that is? Paul, there are two reasons:
1. Being the best of your students is like being the TOP NERD at bandcamp. A prestigious title…that only exists in the camp (cult) and no the real world.
2. When they finally do make it out into the real world and see what else is out there, they quickly become EMBARRASSED to be associated with you! That’s right…EMBARRASSED! And if you’re wondering why, just take a look at they way you constantly supplicate to Thundercat’s Lair.
So Paul, I sincerely hope you take what I’ve said to heart, and make an effort to change yourself (I suggest starting with the DYD Advanced Series…which I KNOW you bought under a different name!…oh, by the way, Paul owns all of they DYD products. He has students by them for him. He claims it’s to make sure DYD isn’t ripping him off, but I think he’s secretly a big fan).
I know you’ll post some clever reply to this. I won’t respond, but it will be funny to see what you have to say…And watch you supplicate to me!
Supplicate on bro!
Wow… this is a very good review! Keep up the good work man. Looking forward to your report on days 3 and 4.
good god mother almighty, this has GOT TO BE one of the greatest reports and subsequent threads ever posted here — i mean, just for sheer entertainment value. thundy’s write-up is fucking great, great, great; but all this snarky snideness is great, great, great, too. i do wish, however, that rj would add TD to his side of the hate talk. really, great as some of DD’s stuff is, in terms of the total fucking big-world, real-world package, he’s a gnat compared to the Mothra TD. keep it up, guys. bring mo’ verbiage!
Ross, stopp your shit NOW.
I was going to buy one of your more expensive products,to try and develop my persona a bit.
But i vant buy products from a KID……
T-cat, Keep up the good work.
/Glenn
Thundercat, excellent reporting once again. Your recaps of the material, presentation, speakers and behind the scenes are golden.
Does anyone else get the feeling that Ross developed skills with women but neglected his inner game?
It is like even though he can fuck good looking women he is still an angry child on the inside.
“So Paul, I sincerely hope you take what I’ve said to heart, and make an effort to change yourself (I suggest starting with the DYD Advanced Series…which I KNOW you bought under a different name!…oh, by the way, Paul owns all of they DYD products. He has students by them for him. He claims it’s to make sure DYD isn’t ripping him off, but I think he’s secretly a big fan).”
I don’t own a single one of his products. I
did read a copy of his ebook which is, to put it mildly, crap.
Do you know what is funny? Even Thundy, who hates me crazy, admitted that:
1. DeAngelo is a TERRIBLE speaker, to the point of being painfully boring.
2 Hired speakers whose quality he didn’t bother to check out first, or whose quality he just didn’t care about…as long as it padded out the length of the seminar.
3. Is now trying to copy my emphasis on energy, yoga, breath etc.
Now..you can toss shit at me all ya like. Fact is, just as I said he does, DeAngelo HAS to hire guest speakers to pad out his events because his own “system” isn’t a “system” at all. It’s a one trick approach: cocky/funny.
Since Thundy said the first 2 days of the seminar SUCKED ASS, and has said the last two were good, wouldn’t it be fair for DeAngelo to offer a 50% refund to everyone who attended?
Oh..I almost forgot. Here is DeAngelo, the King of “ball busting” and being “cocky” and he’s SUPPLICATING TO A CHICK ON STAGE?
C’mon.
RJ
P.S. For the record, my current top students, Lee W, Dex, John V, Dave Riker, Vince etc have been around for YEARS. Stick that in your anal lube jar and twist it.
Traggard,
You are right; Ross is his own worst enemy.
It seems that he does every thing in his power
to convince people NOT to buy his products.
(Don’t tell him though.) HA HA HA HA HA
Shit…
after reading the BS you post, ross(I forgot your capital r), I feel forced to delete your stuff I legally downloaded from kazaa/emule.
“Are You Sure You Want To Delete Ross Jeffries – How to Pickup Strippers.mpg”?
Gives me a certain satisfaction of putting you in the trash can and then deleting you… Symbolism?
I have this strange feeling that soon we will read about Ross Jeffries running down the street naked with a gun, a la Martin Lawrence
HE HE HE HE HE
What’s that voice you hear in your head Ross?
???
TD, your mother was a whore before she paid your father to service her. YOU were the unfortunate consequence. Don’t you children EVER accuse me of not sharing my hate!
Is it really you posting Ross???
I had much much higer thought’s about you..!
/Glenn
Damn Ross, why the fuck are you dragging yourself down in the mud like this? I`m totally serious, you act like an insecure little child! I`m not taking sides with anyone but you seriously need to learn some social skills and how to treat people(no, not HB`s). Can`t you see it yourself? Actually I`ve read lots of flaming posts by you and even though people give you friendly advice you still don`t get it. Get your inner game together and start acting like an adult.
Btw! Don`t you realize that this is GREAT fun for all your “enemies”? You do really do utilize all of your psychology principles well. I didn`t believe all the bullshit that`s been written of you thinking it was a misunderstanding/disagreement or something, but now it makes perfect sense.
Sorry for off-topic Thundercat, great recap and I`m looking forward to the next!:-)
“P.S. For the record, my current top students, Lee W, Dex, John V, Dave Riker, Vince etc have been around for YEARS. Stick that in your anal lube jar and twist it.”
Isn’t Dave Riker in the Deangelo DYD videos and your Speed Seduction Frame Control ’99 videos. What is Riker doing on both sides,is there some kind of backdoor arangement for this? There must be something going on here unless Riker begged Ross not to ban him from Speed Seduction like he has previously done to other top students.Inquiring minds want to know about the drama behind the scenes!
Im relatively new to learning pick up tactics, and I have decided not to invest in any Ross Jeffries products. Heres why.
1. whenever I see someone spend more time attacking others than he does discussing the merits of his system, it sends up a red flag. People who constantly attack others in my book are trying to cover up their own faults.
2. He is full of negative energy, and it shows in every single post I’ve ever seen him write on any board or list for the last year.
3. He doesnt understand the value of collaborating and learning from his peers. The best guys in the community are genuinely interested in learning from other guys, in an effort to advance the game for themselves, and ultimately the whole community. Ross concentrates his energy on disparagement and alienation.
4. Ross is dishonorable. Specifically, I would never use my real name when dealing with him or buying his products, as his favorite trick, as I have seen numerous times, is to use a guys real name in public against their wishes.
So, I will invest my money with others.
-Andez
RJ–
You are acting like a 2-year old. Your actions on this board have ensured nothing but the fact that I am now never going to buy a product from you.
Grow up and gain some dignity for yourself. You don’t have to stoop to the level of storming internet discussion forums.
This is an excellent review and expose’ of the psychology and politics of seduction. It certainly sounds like David D. needs better Marketing consultation though. Alienating your target audience is no way to move product.
His content is spot on but his guest speakers…I’m familiar with David X but who the fuck are Tari and this yoga ditz?
And this thread only further validates my suspicion that at least half of the members of the seduction community are certifiably insane. RJ’s rantings are sounding more like El Gordo Lamo every day.
Keep up the great recaps TC. Your tireless reporting is an asset to all of us. This is the only blog worth reading as far as I’m concerned.
I think this is being blown a bit out of proportion guys. The entired seminar lasted over 40 hours and these two speakers were about two and a half hours of it. I look at the Amber mistake as David D field testing something different to a group of 150 guys. I can’t even say I didn’t learn anything from the experience now I have all kinds of BS about heart connection to spew back at the next “Amber” I meet.
Ross is not much better than that weird troll (Gordon Roy) which is often posting on his speed seduction group on the usenet, alt.seduction.fast.
Hi All,
I thought there was something funny about this thread. MINE’99 was acting even more crazy than usual, and some of the posts were missing the usual maliciously insecure whining we all know, love, and associate with M’99, so I did my Nancy Drew thing and found out that there are 4 different IP Addresses associated with MINE’99 in this comments thread. One I know for sure can’t be him, just because of the inconcruencies of his posts (both acting like M’99, and attacking him). So I’ve banned his IP Address and am deleting his posts. It’s cool if you want to engage a poster in a debate, but deliberately pretending to be him to smear his rep is NOT cool, no matter what you think of the guy.
The following posts are by a M’99 immitator:
______________________________________________
Glenn…
Jesus H. Christ… Don’t you think it’s about time you learn to speek proper English? Don’t worry about me; just focus that tiny little brain of yours on a word by word basis.
Ever heard of “Hooked on Phonics”?
No, I didn’t invent that. lol. I DID fuck one of the girls involved with the publishing however.
SS; it;s the only thing that works!
Just ask DeAnushole’s master; Amber “the chakra guru”. HA HA HA!
http://www.seduction.com
RJ
93/93
******
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Actually I heard they both DO suck cock, but that’s neither here nor there…
TD, your mother was a whore before she paid your father to service her. YOU were the unfortunate consequence. Don’t you children EVER accuse me of not sharing my hate!
HOW DARE YOU!!!!!
******
RJ
Oh, BTW, what on earth was Cliff doing hanging out with MARTIN SHORT? I thought he was happily married…
Gunwitch and Mark suck COCK.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
*****
RJ
Hi Sweety,
You are a stupid, bleeding gash. If you are going to be ostentatious enough to post in Latin (wow, you’re COOL!!), at least spell it correctly. BTW, your nice friend Vince popped a huge load in my mouth last night after he took a dump on my chest… I’m starting to like it dirty in my old age! lol. Apparently, he LOVES peanuts!! Give your cats my love you hateful little cunt.
XOX
mom
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As for the others, well, they look to be legit until further proof is found.
Thundercat
For the life of me i cannot understand why a disciple of Ross Jeffries who continues to represent the entire seduction community is getting so much negative feedback from Ross himself. I must say that I DEEPLY resent this immaturity and would like to see a possible truce between DYD and SS to promote worldwide harmony and WARMTH BETWEEN the two powers. Ross, i am sure you remember me and i really do have a DEEP FONDNESS for you and am incredibly PASSIONATE about your ideology. I think you need to explore NEW DIRECTIONS and COME to realize that there are other innovative ways of seducing a woman which don’t necessarily involve your SS or whatever you call it these days. With seduction constantly evolving why would you try to hinder the progress of an ever changing seduction Realm which continues to move forward without you? Would Bruce Lee advocate combining styles and using “what works” to a person’s advantage or would he proclaim “his style” to be the end to all means? If you recall, Ross, Tao of Jeet Kune Do was a combination of many styles that Bruce aggregated into one lethal style. Have you lost your marbles?
Question for Ross: WHAT IF YOU COULD IMAGINE DYD and SS being combined into some new aged dating technique (which could involve YOGA Ross) call SYDS maybe? I get a WARM FUZZY on the INSIDE just thinking about it.
The seduction community should consider joining forces and becoming one SUPER POWER so we can eliminate the ego’s of those founders who refuse to accept anything else “OUTSIDE OF THE BOX”.
I have paid my debts to society and am Ready to add my wealth and mastery to whatever master can use it. Would it be hard to IMAGINE a Bishop Interview with David maybe?
-Bishop
In case you were wondering for some very CREATIVE ideas on constructing an ENTICING website check out my link at http://www.unlimitedlover.com/ .
PS, Don’t steal any of my ideas.
-bish
“In case you were wondering for some very CREATIVE ideas on constructing an ENTICING website check out my link at http://www.unlimitedlover.com/ .
PS, Don’t steal any of my ideas.
-bish”
This guy “Bishop” is a thief and a liar.
Namaste all seduction gurus, keyboard jockey’s, wannabe’s, et al
I represent the ultimate yoga teachings from the east. I have travelled far and wide to reach one of these “computers” (with the help of my little Indian assistant, Punjabbi) to alas set the record straight regarding the relationship between this peniscule topic of “seduction” and the ancient, Indian art of “yoga”…
Alas young horny toads, yoga can only assist you in reaching bliss and eternal peace…it cannot assist you in getting your little wankies suckled, grasped, flogged, and/or moistly reliefed. Our fine friend Ross has been my penultimate challenge in testing the yogic method vis-a-vis intercourse, aka the practice of insertion of little to large peni into the femalian vaginal opening moistly, and, alas, even my extraordinary powers of focus, patience and physical fortitude, have failed…
You see, good young Ross had such potential, but sucked into negativity over the years, aided by the envy felt towards the likes of TD, David D, Major Mark C, Thundy/Swingy – kitty cats, and of course, Mysssssssssssssstery, he has, as we say in the back streets of Calcutta…LOST IT, YOUNG PUAAAAAAAHHHS!
So, going forward, I the great and almighty Swami Rossananda shall make it my personal and grand endeavor to instill into our great innovator, trail blazer, and now, MASTERBATOR, Ross J., a sense of peace and positivity by sending over two of my youngest, ripest wives, to have his way with…and hopefully, once and for all, to get his, as they say in the great metropolis of Slandahar, WANKER WANKIFIED SISTAH SOULJAH’S!!! Yes, and then, I, the great yogic maestro, may sleep peacefully for one night, and redevote my energies to more useful items, such as:
Teaching the great JAY FORMHANDLE the ways of the world, by sending him three packets of ancient hand ointment to ease the pain of his furious fingers…WHAT A GUY!
Easing the pain of our dear friend STYLE…yes, he needeth anger management therapy…oh Poor, poor walls of the HOUSE OF STYLE!!
And alas…
Training young TD in the lost art of Indian fashion and hair design…Sari’s will get you LAID little red-haired boyyeeeeeeeee!!!!!
The Actual Swami Rossananda
Dialed-in from the ancient and lost region of:
Floggitoffandonda, India
Okay, now THAT’S Funny!
=)
Thundercat
does anyone (that was @ the mastery seminar)remember where David D. said to find the ‘Whistlers’ video? I looked on bugrubb.com, but it’s an invalid URL.
Posted by RJ:
“I told ya Eben was a copy cat. And not even a good one! And supplicating on stage to a chick all the while CLAIMING to be Mr. Cocky/Funny?
****
Kind of like a “guru” who preaches yoga and STATE CONTROL techniques carrying on with the composure of a girl going through puberty, isn’t it?
If DYD is such “crap” as you say, then why do you worry about it to the point where you have to slam it every chance you get? If DYD really sucks that badly then people will try it, see it doesn’t work, and seek out a better method, as in YOURS, right? I follow the lists and blogs pretty regularly, and I have every DYD product out there, and not ONCE have I seen David D attack Speed Seduction directly. The closest I’ve seen to “bashing” of SS by him is the following:
1. In one of his newsletters, a reader writes in asking if NLP-based seduction systems every worked for him, because he wasn’t seeing much success with them. David D answers the guy saying that he DID study NLP-based systems for a while and saw some success with them, but that it takes a lot of work and practice to get it right, and there’s easier methods out there.
2. In his Interview Series with his longtime friend Greg, Greg mentions that he’s seen him do a lot of weird things in trying to figure seduction out, including “THAT stuff you were into for a while”. David answers “uhhhh…..yeah” sheepishly and changes the subject. Seems like he’s going out of his way to AVOID slamming SS here. Oh yeah, on the Ben interview Dave agrees with Orion that he loves NLP for change-work.
3. On Cliff’s List, David D writes a post about how if some systems or techniques make guys feel sneaky or dishonest, not to use them against their conscience because it won’t come across congruently. This is so general and could refer to “Scoring With Married Women” or that jerkoff’s method (his name escapes me) where you fake like you’re rich so you can snag hot golddiggers. Notwithstanding, you took this personally and slammed him with your standard comeback, saying that he was a one-trick pony and implying that he was only a conduit for other people’s ideas. Did you IDENTIFY SS with the statement about “sneaky and dishonest methods?” YOU filled in the blanks my man, not him.
With respect to your former students “switching sides”, as if this were the Cold War or something: If SS is so damn effective, why don’t they incorporate it into their methods (other than Mystery)? Why aren’t they still focusing on SS, running with Vince K in a big pack and putting entire city blocks into trance? It’s not like they don’t have exposure to SS concepts. Are they all stupid morons? Of course, you’re going to repeat that these guys and their students only pull women on their looks, and SS works best for the Uggly Family. Go back to T-cat’s report and take a look at the photo of Herbal T. This guy runs with RSD and uses their techniques to pull, and let’s be blunt here: He’s not exactly an Armani runway model.
I admit I use a few SS patterns in my Rapport and Amplify phases, with—generally—good results. But I’m not going to touch any of your recent stuff, and I don’t think many others will either. Maybe we’re not as enlightened as you, but we don’t see the relevance of yoga, psychic powers, magic (magick?) and other pseudosciences to picking up girls. Between this and your online outbursts you’re quickly becoming harder and harder to take seriously, as people start to wonder if you’ve gone off the deep end. I’m sure you have some loyal customers, waiting anxiously for your next course (“Astral Travelling to See if the Woman You Want Calls Out Your Name While Touching Herself”), but in all likelihood it’s stuff like this that’s driving them away.
Lay off the Meth Pipe.
Someone is showing a serious case of ‘Post Button’ OCD.
I have been a teacher, and a student in my industry and have dealt with all the different egos involved. If you want the middle-road ettiquite take then it is perfectly fine that Mystery got Neg’d on day one.
Mystery is correct from his own experience base, but I also know Dave is more broad and conceptual and further from the ‘street’. Mystery is a guest speaker and has been given the floor to tell of his ideas, concepts and methods in his time slot. Outside of his alloted time slot, it would be considered rude to not allow the Seminar Presenter give out his material as developed especially for a video taping for a final product.
Dave is targetting a broader mass market of older geezers while Mystery, RSD, et al. are more focused on the younger scene. There are generational and conceptual gaps in addition to gender gaps making the situational context of what people think a presenter is talking about and what the presenter himself is actually thinking he is talking about out of phase. You both are almost on the same page but your big pictures are colored in a different hue to each other.
I was lucky to mostly have this be the case in most of psuedo-challenges I had in my classrooms. I just knew my material well enough and the social dynamics of what was happening to show the student that they are correct in their context and then show them how I’m teaching from my context point which was broader and geared to target more of the demographic mix of my students.
I only have one student that is forever burned in my mind as a total disruptive prick. An out of work goverment security contractor who ended up on a government retraining program. He was a nasty old troll who was very unhappy at what happened to him in life and though he knew nothing about the subject material I presented. His only resort was to try and make me look bad by demanding instant solutions to problems he deliberately created. Closest analogy would be chyk in a club continually demanding you perform tricks for her.
Keep up the good work Thundercat. This is your blog and you should keep on writing it as you see it from your experience/vantage point in the community. This is what keeps you one of the peoples champions.
Thundercat,
Thanks for a fun and interesting read! Although “The Ugly” section is the most fun part
.. the behind-the-scenes info is very interesting too.
I’d like to know what NEG DD threw at Mystery.
“Nice nails, are they real?”
I agree on Tari and how he’s the epitome of the girly-man that certain fucked-up women actually want to be with. But what ticks me off about having a guy like that as a guest speaker is the fact that he’s loaded, has traveled the world, drives an M3 convertible, etc etc. Eban a.k.a. David D has a lot of great content, but his interview series contains a few too many guests who obviously have money and flash it around, plus David D nonchalantly says things like “you should do regular travel to vacation destinations” as a way to become more interesting, forgetting that not everyone doesn’t work and makes $100k/month like he does.
But yeah that Tari guy was some shit, I think that was even worse than Amber (who I didn’t think was THAT hot), seriously, he’s the epitome of the mega-wuss girly-man that David D loves to talk about so much in his newsletters. He did mention that he met Amber on New Year’s Eve in Vegas so yeah he probably has banged her.