News on the Latest PUA Summits

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Okay, with Herbal leaving Austin, there was a bit of confusion as to what was happening with the big Austin PUA summit he was organizing. It seems Cduce has some info on what’s happening with it:

Cduce wrote:
Ok guys,

There’s been talk about the Austin Summit taking place in November, but nobody has set the date. I’ve looked at the calendar and the best dates are November 11 to 14. November 11 is a holiday (Veteran’s day), 13 & 14 is a weekend.

The summit will happen around those dates most likely. Probably most people will want a 5 day summit. So November 10 to 14 OR November 11 to 15 is the best bet.

Then Herbal chimed in with information on the new LA Summit he’s organizing.

Herbal writes:
I have been very busy with other things so I have not been able to make the new web page yet.

However, the event is still on from April 1-5 in LA. I have been working on the speakers list. So far it looks like :

(in alphabetical order)

Formhandle (now that I write this, I’m not 100% sure he agreed, but I think he did)
Harmless
Mystery
Papa
Ross Jeffries
Style
Swinggcat
Tyler Durden

More to come…

Seems like the LA Summit is gonna be a real Guru fest. So far the only one claiming to be in Austin is the mysterious and elusive Gunwitch, and if he holds true to form he’ll flake on that at the last minute. Either way, I love Austin and seeing as how it’s in November, I may be able to save up enough cabbage to buy a ticket down there.

Thundercat

Quote of the Day

"Not to be an asshole, but unless you plan on fucking her in front of others, isolation is key."
–epitome of evolution

=)

Thundercat

Patterning to Direct Bluntness

Neo-Rio is quickly becoming my favorite poster on mASF. His stuff is consistently good, and I think that it stems from his own experiences in field work. I say this because his views seem to be mimicking mine when it comes to my in-field experiences. Neo has put up a new post on mASF detailing his current philosophy on PUA. Here’s how it starts off:

One thing I know about male seduction, is that it you can’t appear to be sneaky when wanting a woman. You have to be upfront, honest, and in their face about what you want with no apologies.

Good stuff. I’m gonna read this one a few times. You can read it for yourself here.

Thundercat

Alpha vs. Beta. Literally.

There is a monster thread in the Advanced forum on mASF by softcontrol about Alphas, Betas, and Gammas. The ironic thing is, softcontrol’s old nemesis — the mighty Toecutter — pops in and pretty much destroys the guy’s argument. Softcontrol argues of course, but it literally becomes the Alpha (Toecutter) vs. the Beta (softcontrol) as the thread progresses, and toecutter gets bored and eventually stops posting. Then, Ross Jeffries (The Gamma, apparently) chimes in and has to be scolded by Formhandle about taking a good thread and dragging it into the mud. So funny, its tragic.

BTW, this thread is fucking long, so if you’re dead set on reading it, set aside a good couple of hours.

Thundercat

Feminator breaks the $$$Girl Code$$$

Feminator posts about his magic pill.  You know it must be $$$ because its in the advanced forum!  =)

Thundercat

ASD Tips and Tricks

Harmless from Dating ReEnhanced writes:

When I’m dealing with a party girl in a club, where I’ve gamed her and VERY quickly raised her buying temp, (I’m talking minutes) I do something like this to prevent flakes IF I can’t pull:

Me: ”Look, I’m leaving, but give me your number so we can hook up this weekend (or whatever meet we’ve planned, preferably)… But listen, I don’t like flakey girls, so if you don’t want to hook up, then…”

She gives me the number, promises me she wants to see me again. Great. So what? I’ve been doing this for months.

But THIS is the part I wasn’t doing before. This is what makes it work so well:

Me: ”You know what, I don’t know about you. You look like a bad girl. In fact, I think you’re FULL OF SHIT. I’m DELETING YOUR NUMBER right now…”

She’ll BEG me not to, BEG me to call her, PROMISE me she’ll come over, etc.

–

Harmless

Ah, the willingness to walk away. Very powerful young grasshopper. You can read the whole thread here.

Thundercat

A Moment of Zen

Wrap your brain around this one:

Neo-Rio writes:
If you treat a woman with respect, she feels cheap because she feels pressure to do something to advance the relationship. If you treat her like an inanimate object in your reality, she feels special because you’re making all the effort and she doesn’t have to do squat.

Thundercat

What Women Do To Us

There was a fairly decent thread on mASF today entitled ”Stuff I Understand Now That Women Do It To Me,” started by Dimitri. You can read it here. It’s nothing groundbreaking or earth shattering, but Neo-Rio had a great little responce to it. Paraphrased, he basically says:

Seduction (acting a certain way to get people to like you) is primarily a FEMALE thing that women do to MEN who have power.

MEN on the other hand, HAVE NO NEED to be nice or pad their words out carefully making sure not to offend anyone. We don’t need to pay any attention to women in order to get them to like us. Women feel as if they HAVE TO lie and act a certain way to gain power over men. REAL MEN have no need to lie or act a certain way to women. We can just be ourselves, and let women do all the fancy bullshit. Meanwhile, we can just go after what we want. (and if that means we’d rather eat than talk…. so be it)

I think Neo nails this one right on the head here, and he does it in such a short, sweet, and straightforward (invented by Ross in LA 99) way. I think this is really the true attitude of a seducer, one in which he is detached from all outcome, and in fact forces the girl to qualify herself to him in an effort to get rapport. I know this is an incredibly powerful technique, because I’ve hung out with the master of this whole frame — Adam the Natural. Truely a guy who has NO NEED to be nice or pad words out. This guy’s whole philosophy is thus: It doesn’t really matter. And because of that, he is able to get women like no other.

I think a lot of guys make the mistake of approaching a woman as though she is the prize to be won over. When you do this, you are effectively giving away any power you have in that interaction, because she has the power to either approve or invalidate you as a potential sex partner. But when you approach a woman really NOT CARING about the outcome, a funny thing happens — in a very subtle way, you put the woman on the defensive, making her have to PROVE herself to you and get your validation because your attitude is such that you STEAL any power of approval from her.

I’ve seen Adam do this a few times, and it is really incredible. This is basically the attitude of being the ”asshole women love,” or the ”No-game game” as Maddash would put it. Before long, the woman finds herself chasing the man who truely doesn’t care, which only makes her chase him harder. One thing about Adam is that he does this Naturally, and because of that he can take it too far. If he was aware of what he was doing, he’d be able to calibrate where the girl is and feed her little bits of validation to keep her chasing him. But after a while, the girl just gets so frustrated with the whole process of having to prove herself that she’ll move on. Of course, to Adam, it just DOESN’T MATTER. There’s always another girl out there. Thus is the power of this frame. And I think Neo-Rio really nailed it.

Thundercat

Mental Notes 2

Zen Dragon chimed in on the DC List yesterday with a great little post about things he needs to be more aware of out in the field. I’m reposting it here with his permission.

Here are some mistakes I’ve been making, which i will NOT repeat ever again. If you’re winging with me and noticing me doing any of these things, please pinch my nipples as hard as you can.

1) When the girl is telling a story, or trying to be funny, let her talk, give her the chance to display her value. DON’T cut her off with Negging or C&F. What is up with the constant urge to interrupt and neg??? BE A GOOD LISTNER, stop trying to talk all the godamn time.

2) When the girl is all of a sudden talking about leaving. DON’T panic and DON’T push for a close immediately. Stay chill and be cool. Wait to see what she does first. It could be a bluff. Or if she really likes me, she will show signs of wanting to bridge. If she doesn’t bridge, I will do it, but delay it as much as possible. Trying to bridge right after she says she’s leaving is fucking needy!!! RELAX DAMNIT!!!

3) When the girl suggests venue change or bridging or getting together again, DON’T FUCKING INTERRUPT HER!!!!!!!!! What the fuck??? Let her tell me what she has in mind. Why the fuck do I have that stupid urge to jump in to offer my suggestions??? Too happy or something??? Shut the fuck up and LET HER TALK.

4) DON’T go flirt with another girl in front of my target for social proof when we’re already at the RAPPORT/COMFORT PHASE. Just how fucking insecure am I??? Show some loyalty to her and stop acting like a slut!!!

5) DO NOT kino seduce the girl infront of her friends!!! DO NOT kino seduce the girl without sufficient rapport. DO NOT kino seduce the girl in public unless she’s giving kino IOIs. IT DOES NOT WORK. ASD ASD ASD. FLAKE FLAKE FLAKE. That’s all you get. So cut that shit already.

ZD

Yes, yes, must remember — ASD ASD ASD. FLAKE FLAKE FLAKE. Make the bad man stop… sigh. Too much shit to cut. =)

Thundercat

Boobgate

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 2/3/04

 

So we got to see some boobies on network television this weekend.  I didn’t even notice it when it happened, because at the time I was busy eating some good old fashioned Texas BBQ at Roadking’s place, along with Swinggcat, Adam the Natural, and a few exotic dancer friends of ours.  It wasn’t until Mystery came over and forced Roadking to put his TiVo to good use that we got to see the whole pathetic event play out.

Frankly, I don’t see what the big deal is.  You see much worse past 10:00 pm on Cinemax.  We were all sitting around the TV watching Justin Timberlake rip the boddice off as Janet’s honkin’ hunk o’ skin flap bobbled out for a good 2.3 seconds of air time.  It went so fast we were all like ”Huh?”  It looked to me like she was wearing a pasti, so no one really gave it a second thought.

Here’s the facts as I see them: Janet, in a bid to out Madonna-and-Britney Madonna and Britney in light of her new album coming out this March, either orchestrates or agrees to a little so-called indecent exposure. Mr. Timberlake, eager to shed his own squeaky clean image, and one up his ex, is either put up for or volunteers to be the bodice ripper.  And CBS, worried about a lack-luster superbowl with 2 teams no one really cares about, agrees in order to stir up interest.  So off they go on their merry little way, do their performance, and – dear God! – dare to show tit, which most kids become intimately familiar with as babies, and nipple, which dominates daytime television with the vast amount of shirtless bohunks that rule the soaps.

Now I hear that the FCC is doing an investigation into the incident, that CBS ”didn’t know” (they obviously did), and that parent’s across the country are outraged that their little kids were exposed to prime-time boobage.

It’s no wonder Europeans laugh at us when it comes to sex.

And it’s no wonder why the seduction community is such a necessary entity in this world.  I really fucking hate the fact that there are probably untold numbers of little boys out there who saw this on TV, and their parents are making them feel guilty for seeing it, saying things like ”You shouldn’t have seen that,” or ”It’s a bad, dirty, naughty thing you saw!”  Even worse, I feel for the untold number of little girls who are made to feel bad about having boobs.  Who know’s how many parents called Janet Jackson a slut or accused her of causing society’s downfall.  It’s no wonder we, as Americans, are so fucked up about sexuality with shit like this going down.

If anything, there should be more boobs on TV.  Sex shouldn’t be a bad thing to expose kids to.  It’s probably one of the greatest things someone can experience in this world, so why are we made to feel bad about it?  Why is it such an outrage?  This whole culture is fucked up bass-ackwards when it comes to sex, IMO.

If you ask me, the real outrage was P. Ditty’s butchering of the Toni Basil classic ”Hey Mickey.”  Am I the only one who cares about the sanctity of 80′s pop music?

Thundercat

PS:  I was able to catch both the Surreal Life and Survivor after the Superbowl.  Both shows have a lot to teach about persuasion, influence, and how to deal with women.  Next time they’re on, pay attention to how Richard Hatch handles himself in Survivor, and how Ron Jeremy deals with women in the Surreal Life.  Both are great.  =)

Mystery Offers Advice

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 2/3/04

Mystery posted a semi-article on mASF concerning the logistics of sarging with a crew. I found the article to be extremely good, with lots of great advice. Usually when I go out, it will be with 1 or 2 other guys, and when we sarge, we split up, sometimes entering sets as wings when needed. I’m not sure how other people roll, but it seems like they could be doing it wrong, so I’m reposting Mystery’s article here for everyone’s benefit.

What is a CREW?

A CREW is a group of PUAs (some of them advanced, others newbies) who roll together for the purpose of sarging. Crews have generally consisted of anywhere from 3 to 6 people … even More! Not good.

Unless your crew is better than you in the game, consider not rolling in such numbers as this is an AFC behavior. You should not roll with any more than 2 other men. Rolling in large numbers is fine so long as all other people in your crew are female.

I have, in the past, conducted or participated in huge in-field workshops as many as 17 students large (TD and Papa’s seminars – great MM spin-off stuff – you GOTTA see Papa’s AMOG tactics LIVE. You’ll shit yourself laughing! Great stuff). Thing is, this behavior completely taints the field. Even my last workshop, which had 7 students, was TOO large. I have resolved to limit my workshops to only 4 students (plus one wing) so that we can split up and be less conspicuous when we go into clubs. With only 2 sets of 3 guys (separated by 5 minutes) we solve SO MANY PROBLEMS and you learn so much more. Less herding people like cattle (and women KNOWING something is up) and more personal attention is the objective.

Rolling in huge cockfarms conveys to women that you ”hunt in packs”. That means YOU are chasing women, and THEY are NOT chasing YOU. if women feel YOU are doing the chasing, then you are NOT being chased by women and thereby NOT triggered a woman’s ”sexual pre-selection switch”.

Any more than being in groups of 3 guys and you come off AFC. Its one thing to get together as an all male group to talk about the game there was a playlist meeting conducted at my place yesterday – papa brought it all together and they
brought in a very bright speaker from the UK (sorry I only know his real name and forget his online presence name right now) but its wholly another to continue to take the cockfest outside to sarge.

So here is how I strongly feel we should ‘roll’:

Have ONE wing. and maybe a newbie to give back some. TOPS. Then, en devour to roll with women (allowing the success of previous nights to assist in building social proof in future nights) only. Going out alone is FINE! Going out with a wing is FINE. going out with a woman is BETTER but 2 women is MUCH BETTER. going out with 2 guys is SORTA OK … but you need to be with females soon after entering a public gathering. If you are a newbie, dont go out in large numbers … you are doing yourself a disservice because the quantity of men you roll with conveys that you are ”scoping for chicks” – that makes it a LOT harder to get a woman’s interest – and a lot harder to learn anything (no personal attention). Also, it is often a case of the blind leading the blind (as was happening at one point in the montreal lair – Im sure they have solved the problem since).

A LAIR should NOT sarge together. They should at most break up into groups of 3 people (although 2 is BEST – and again, the blind should NOT be leading the blind so make sure at least ONE has some TD style MAD SKILLZ!) If you are a NEWBIE, join a LAIR! learn all you can and then sarge in SMALL GROUPS. 2 PUAs may allow you to tag along as the 3rd guy but you cant crowd them and make it appear they are a 3 set all the time. You will learn a LOT more rolling into clubs in SMALL groups with at least ONE GREAT PUA than in large groups that dont know what they are doing.

The main rule is: KEEP IT SMALL, unless you have a LOT of women. Also, make it a rule to bring a pivot, even if she is NOT worthy of your ‘attention’.

So … from now on, a CREW is 3 guys … not 5 … or more. My future workshop (which will include both DAY and EVENING sarging – 12 hours per day over 3 days) will consist of 2 separate CREWS … of course students will switch from one crew to the other from time to time.

Never stand there in a group larger than 3 guys. If you find yourself allowing that to happen just tell the boys ”we’re cockfarming” and split up (especially in a workshop or newbie training scenario).

Keep it UP!
Mystery

There you go. Words of wisdom from one of the best in the game. I’d link you to the actual thread, but mASF seems to be down right now. I’ll update this post when it gets fixed.

Thundercat

Bad Boy Blues

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 2/3/04

I had the opportunity to talk to Nightlife, who runs the San Diego Lair, this weekend. For those of you who don’t know, Nightlife is also Croatian PUA BadBoy’s contact in America and is responsible for setting up BadBoy’s American workshops. He told me BadBoy is doing well and is excited to come to the states to teach his unique brand of pick-up to us foolish/uptight Americans. =) I’ve heard extremely good things about BadBoy and his style and am quite interested in attending one of his events so I can see him work first hand (though time and money being as they are, I might not get the opportunity to do so for a while). However, there has been problems getting BadBoy into the country. It seems that he has yet been able to get permission to not only come to America, but to work here as well.

Ultimately, Nightlife didn’t seem too concerned with this issue, just a bit frustrated with the beurocratic process that seems to be dragging him through a great deal of red tape. He doesn’t expect it to affect BadBoy’s upcoming workshops, which you can sign up for at BadBoy’s website here.

I’ll be sure to keep you updated as more news comes my way.

Thundercat

Mystery Goes Mainstream

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 2/2/04

Well, it seems Ross isn’t the only one who got a lot of attention from the New York Times article. Apparently, Mystery has been bombarded with a slew of offers from pretty much every major news magazine on TV. He has been approached to be on Good Morning America, 20/20, and Primetime to name a few. He’s approaching most of these shows with caution, mostly because he seems to know that they are going to try and paint him in the worst possible light they can.

Not only that, but Mystery has been courted by two MAJOR stations to have his own show. The producer’s of FOX’s American Idol have contacted Mystery and are in serious talks to give him his own special, though the format of the show is unknown at this time. Likewise, VH1 has also contacted Mystery, but with a more concrete offer. In fact, they are flying him out to New York to meet with the VH1 brass about the nature of the show. I’m told that it is probably going to be a series where Mystery takes a bunch of hopeless AFCs and turns them into real ladies men — a type of ”Straight Eye for the Pathetic Guy” type scenereo. MTV did this type of show with David Wygan, but it apparently didn’t do too well, mostly because it was more of a make-over show than anything else. According to Mystery, the VH1 show would be much more about teaching guys the Art of PUA than simply giving them a new haircut and super-uber peacocking gear.

Not only does Hollywood seem to be courting him, but Mystery’s seminar/workshop business has also seemed to have benefitted from the article. I met with Mystery this weekend after a workshop which he deemed very successful. I’m also told that his personal one-on-one workshops are also becoming quite popular, which is probably the impetus for his VH1 series, should it go through.

************(name removed) is also doing his part to help keep the gravy train rolling by introducing Mystery to a number of entertainment industry big-wigs, as well as getting him in the door at the William Morris Agency, which could end up representing him. Couple all this with the fact that Mystery is now writing a book — which now stands a good chance to be picked up by a major publisher — and 2004 could be the year for Erik von Markovik.

Also, new video footage of Mystery has popped up on the net. It’s a fairly short 3 minute piece of Mystery doing a monologue on Sunset Blvd. Maybe a precursor of things to come? Or more likely a promotional tool? Perhaps a bit of both? I guess we’ll see. You can view it here.

Thundercat

Back by Popular Demand…

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 2/2/04

Well, the first round of PUA movies were recieved quite well, so due to the substancial ammount of time on my hands, I’ve whipped up a new batch.

Video 1
Video 2
Video 3
Video 4

I’m not sure how many people out there will get these, but I think they’re pretty funny.  =)

Thundercat

It’s Just Wrong

**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 2/2/04

Okay, I don’t know why I’m posting this… maybe its the masochist in me, or maybe it’s the jlaix-esque coke binge I’ve been on for the last 4 days, but I think it’s funny.

You really don’t want to click here.

I warned you.

Thundercat

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