What’s up with MINE’99?

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Sieve put up a post on the off topic board.

Sieve writes:
Be it mASF or Cliff’s List, whenever I see MINE’99 these days he’s slamming some guy for not giving "proper credit" about the source of technical-sounding concepts like "fractionation", or whatever.

I can understand his feeling upset for not being credited, but he’s doing it so much I start to wonder, is it because ASF has gone sort-of-mainstream? That he is worried that the new guys will think that those fractionation stuff was invented by (TD, Iniose, whoever) instead of him, thereby decreasing his source of revenue?

Hey, wait a minute… this is a marketing ploy, isn’t it? Instead of debating about concepts, he can just spot whenever a guy says something that can be retrofitted/ascribed to BHSC/whatever, and says that he’s the originator. Sounds like a good way of doing promotion to me…

Note:  I’ve edited this post from the original on mASF.  You can find the original post and Formhandle’s rather "diplomatic" response here.

 

What’s up with MINE’99?

Sieve put up a post on the off topic board.

Sieve writes:
Be it mASF or Cliff’s List, whenever I see MINE’99 these days he’s slamming some guy for not giving "proper credit" about the source of technical-sounding concepts like "fractionation", or whatever.

I can understand his feeling upset for not being credited, but he’s doing it so much I start to wonder, is it because ASF has gone sort-of-mainstream? That he is worried that the new guys will think that those fractionation stuff was invented by (TD, Iniose, whoever) instead of him, thereby decreasing his source of revenue?

Hey, wait a minute… this is a marketing ploy, isn’t it? Instead of debating about concepts, he can just spot whenever a guy says something that can be retrofitted/ascribed to BHSC/whatever, and says that he’s the originator. Sounds like a good way of doing promotion to me…

Note:  I’ve edited this post from the original on mASF.  You can find the original post and Formhandle’s rather "diplomatic" response here.

 

Tristodecaphobia

Well, it must be Friday the 13th. I can’t seem to find where I saved Part IV of my interview with Swinggcat! Ugh. The thought of going back and having to transcribe that again is not appealing. I’m going to have to search my hard drive and see if I saved it in the wrong file. It might be on my home computer, in which case I’ll have to wait until I get home from work to post it. *grumble*

Is it the weekend yet?

jlaix workshop!

Well, count jlaix in with the likes of Tyler Durden and Harmless!  Looks like he’s planning to put on a workshop up in San Fran on Feb. 21st & 22nd.  Of course, to give proper credit, jlaix has been teaching workshops much longer than either TD or Harmless, so looks like he’ll be imparting some of his wisdom with the bonny lads.

jlaix writes:
I am gonna do a rare full-blown public sarge event here in San Francisco on the weekend of February 21st & 22nd as a special guest at the RSD Seminar/Workshop, looking like a hot version of k.d. lang and winging with the students. To live up to expectations, my roommate suggests I show up with a fifth of shitty scotch and a sawed-off Mossberg, wearing a realistic female latex mask and leading a teen girl around on a leash, then run around the room shrieking a couple times, then leave.

Just remember, whenever you take a jlaix workshop, you are GUARANTEED to be punched in the fuckin’ face by a beligerent AMOG, or your money back!!!!  How great a deal is that?

You can find out more info here.

Rave Review of Swinggcat’s Real World Seduction

Well, it seems a poster by the name of Mr_Cr0w has posted a RAVE review of Swinggcat’s book on the Advanced forum of mASF.  Why Advanced and not General?  Well, to quote Mr_Cr0w…

Mr_Cr0w writes:
I had to put it here in advanced BC it really is advanced material.

Then he goes on to review the product, and the thread is also joined in with a few other people who agree with Cr0w’s assessment of the product.  I even get a little plug in the thread!  Yay me!!!  (Thanks for the props, CDJ!)

You can read the full review here.

Rave Review of Swinggcat’s Real World Seduction

Well, it seems a poster by the name of Mr_Cr0w has posted a RAVE review of Swinggcat’s book on the Advanced forum of mASF.  Why Advanced and not General?  Well, to quote Mr_Cr0w…

Mr_Cr0w writes:
I had to put it here in advanced BC it really is advanced material.

Then he goes on to review the product, and the thread is also joined in with a few other people who agree with Cr0w’s assessment of the product.  I even get a little plug in the thread!  Yay me!!!  (Thanks for the props, CDJ!)

You can read the full review here.

New Badboy Workshop Review

Yet another review of the recent Badboy workshop is up in the Field Reports section.  But what makes this one interesting is you have a lot of top guys responding to it, namely:  The One, Sickboy, BadBoy himself, and Tyler Durden.

If you wanna check out the thread, you can read it here.

Suck Them Deeply Into Your Reality

Okay, this is a great little bit of advice from LowRider69. I know that sucking people into your reality is a big part of Swinggcat Method (see Part IV of my interview with him for more on this), so I know how powerful it can be, having seen it first hand.

LowRider69 writes:
Before i’d always open with a situational or observational opener and 50% of the time it wouldn’t work. I usually couldn’t rift off the opener and they wouldn’t give me much to work with. In reality you can open with ANYTHING as long as you follow-up but here’s something I do that works really well.

I open with a story about me thats usually recent and requires feedback. Basically its stuff in MY LIFE that I want to talk about.

LR69 then goes on to give some examples, followed by this explanation.

You bring them into your reality. The main thing is practicing being totally into yourself when you open girls and don’t ellict anything from them until they open up to your approach. You’ll give off a super-chill vibe because your not expecting anything from them. You don’t give a flying fuck if their interested in your story or not, it must be told!!!

Its pretty funny. The initial response is always DUMB-SHOCK that someone is talking to them. They’ll look at you blankly or confused. Don’t let that phase you, maintain the vibe and say what you have to say. Get them involved in the story and go from there.

You can read the whole post here.

Style’s EV Routine

SirLancelot reposted this on the Tactics board of mASF. And since it’s from Style, you know it’s gotta be $$$$! =)

Style writes:
“STYLE’S EV ROUTINE:
-what is the experience you most enjoy doing? (she’ll say dancing or being with family or something)
-what is the ideal scenario of you doing that thing. descrive it..
-so picturing that RIGHT NOW, how do you feel.. what emotions?
-”so really then, while I was asking you this, you smiled.. and yeah its kind of because I’m being a bit funny or weird or whatever.. but also, its because you could kind of feel that emotion right now, while we were talking about it.. can you feel it.. blah blah”
-so really then, even though your favourite experience is dancing, your core value is fun and excitement.. So what’s most important to you is the experience of fun and excitement, and whatever leads you to that is most important.. blah blah
-OK, so in 4 minutes we’ve fulfilled your quest for core value. You can die now.

IOW,

-FAVOURITE ACTIVITY
-DESCRIPTION OF HER FAVOURITE ACTIVITY IN AN IDEAL SETTING
-WHAT EMOTION SHE GETS WHILE SHE PICTURES THIS
-SHOW HER THAT SHE EXPERIENCED THIS EMOTION WHILE PICTURING IT
-SHOW HER THAT WHAT SHE REALLY WANTS IS NOT SO MUCH THE ACTIVITY
ALTHOUGH ITS IMPORTANT), BUT THE EMOTIONAL FULFILLMENT SHE GETS FROM IT
-TELL HER SHE CAN DIE NOW”

I’m sure this is the equivalent of an “8 track tape” in Style’s arsenal, but for newbies, it’s pure gold.

Style’s EV Routine

SirLancelot reposted this on the Tactics board of mASF. And since it’s from Style, you know it’s gotta be $$$$! =)

Style writes:
“STYLE’S EV ROUTINE:
-what is the experience you most enjoy doing? (she’ll say dancing or being with family or something)
-what is the ideal scenario of you doing that thing. descrive it..
-so picturing that RIGHT NOW, how do you feel.. what emotions?
-”so really then, while I was asking you this, you smiled.. and yeah its kind of because I’m being a bit funny or weird or whatever.. but also, its because you could kind of feel that emotion right now, while we were talking about it.. can you feel it.. blah blah”
-so really then, even though your favourite experience is dancing, your core value is fun and excitement.. So what’s most important to you is the experience of fun and excitement, and whatever leads you to that is most important.. blah blah
-OK, so in 4 minutes we’ve fulfilled your quest for core value. You can die now.

IOW,

-FAVOURITE ACTIVITY
-DESCRIPTION OF HER FAVOURITE ACTIVITY IN AN IDEAL SETTING
-WHAT EMOTION SHE GETS WHILE SHE PICTURES THIS
-SHOW HER THAT SHE EXPERIENCED THIS EMOTION WHILE PICTURING IT
-SHOW HER THAT WHAT SHE REALLY WANTS IS NOT SO MUCH THE ACTIVITY
ALTHOUGH ITS IMPORTANT), BUT THE EMOTIONAL FULFILLMENT SHE GETS FROM IT
-TELL HER SHE CAN DIE NOW”

I’m sure this is the equivalent of an “8 track tape” in Style’s arsenal, but for newbies, it’s pure gold.

Communicating Disinterest

Harmless chimes in with another great post in the Tactics forum. After sucking Tyler’s dick for a bit, he goes on to say this:

Harmless writes:
Here are some things I do a lot, and remember to subcommunicate total disinterest:

Negging or even insulting HSE girls and telling them to fuck off when they get mad.

Opening sets, getting attraction, then ejecting in the middle of a story.

Pushing girls off onto AFCs. “Look, I don’t like you, but this guy looks pretty desperate. Maybe he’ll take you home.”

Telling them I don’t want their number before they offer it. “Look, I’m not going to ask you for your number, so why don’t you just go talk to that guy?”

Telling them I won’t hook up with them tonight. “I can see that look in your eyes, but it’s not going to happen. I don’t even know you. Go call one of your fuck buddies for a booty call.”

The “I’m deleting your number” stuff, which is still money.

There’s more to the post than this. You can read it all here.

Quote of the Day

Quote of the day once again goes to jlaix.

jlaix writes:
I once made that Frenchy Frog Christophe sing karaoke while pointing the loaded shotgun at him. FUCK FRENCH!!

YEAH!  Take that you… you… French People!  =P

PS:  I know for a fact that jlaix isn’t joking.  This is one of Frenchy Frog Christophe’s favorite jlaix stories.

Keys to Sex on the First Date

There’s a pretty decent thread on the General board started by Cassius called “One of the KEYS to sex on the first meet.” Fairly basic stuff on venue changes, but the thing that makes this post interesting is that the great and mighty Style has replied! Here’s what he had to say:

Style writes:
Gotta stand with Cassius here. Hardcore.

Here’s where it’s come in handy for me especially: A first meeting, especially if it’s from the personals. I don’t know the WHY of it, but it’s true. In the first location, I can see her body language go from closed off to interested. But then it hits a ceiling. So we take a walk to the next location (a lounge or bar), and on the walk and arrival, the rapport builds for some reason. So in the second location, a *close is now possible. If we had stayed in the first location too long, the mood would have eventually staled and we both would have become uncomfortable.

I don’t know if I’m explaining it well enough, but location changes (though not ALWAYS necessary) are GOLD for building rapport. Especially if you make them at the right time.

You can read the whole thread here.

The Psychology of Dating Porn Stars

So I’m doing my regular reading today, and there’s a blog I like to visit called “Pornblography,” which is linked on the right hand side of my site under the Blogroll section. Now, you may think this links to free porno or something, but it’s actually a blog maintained by a former porn actress turned reporter (or something). Anyway, it’s a very interesting look inside the world of porn, not just from someone who works in the industry, but a woman to boot.

Anyway, the great thing about this blog is that Carly, the woman who runs it, is also a very good writer and quite intelligent to boot. She has an entry up on there where she’s visiting the set of a porno shoot, and she talks to the director of the piece about some of the girl’s he’s dated in the industry. Below is the passage I found interesting:

Carly writes:
As I sat down on a couch that had no doubt been bathed in more DNA than Nicole Brown Simpson’s murder site, Rockstar Tony – fighting a hangover from the previous night’s excursion to Pearl – joined me for a chit chat. We discussed some Metro happenings, which are none of your business. We chatted about Kenny Guarino, Metro’s overlord, who had been sick as of late and reportedly lost 70 pounds, but is doing better (the rumor that I had heard was cancer, but even Tony didn’t know if that was true or not.) And then we got to discussing the issue that I somehow wind up discussing with everyone on a porn set: the perils of dating when you work in porn. This, of course, stems from Tony continuing to give me shit for posting that pic of him getting up close and personal with Devon Michaels, which prompted me to tease him about having a whoring status. He admitted to dating some girls in the industry, but felt that he wasn’t up to the game playing.

“I mean, I’m a decent guy and I want to treat them well, but they don’t want that,” he said. “They want a guy to treat them like shit. Take [an unnamed superstar], for example. She lives with a guy who has a list of people that she’s allowed to hang out with – almost none of them are guys – and he constantly tells her what a fuckin’ whore she is, how useless she is, etc. So here I am trying to be the nice guy, and they don’t want any of it.”

“Do you think that’s kind of their way of atonement for working in porn?” I asked.

He thought for a moment. “It could be. But then there’s the ones who are just completely mistrustful of men. I went out on a date with [unnamed contract star] and she’d been through some shit – her husband really screwed her over, she’d been stalked by some real weirdos… so I go out with her, we have a good time, and a few days later I call her to tell her so. She doesn’t call back, so I figure whatever, I’m not going to hunt her down. Two weeks later she calls and explains that she’s been busy, but then says, ‘You haven’t been calling.’ I tell her I did call and she didn’t call back, so I figured she’d call when she had time. But that’s the thing – she wanted me to stalk her, and I just didn’t want to do that.”

“Control issues,” I said. He nodded. “But that seems to be the hallmark of both genders in this industry – they’d rather be with someone that causes them drama and strife than try their hand at something normal, because the normal is scarier. They know how to deal with the drama and strife – normal is the great unknown.”

Tony nodded again. “You’re totally right.”

‘Tis a conundrum.

You can read the entry here. The interesting thing I find with this conversation is that many women who have suffered some form of sexual abuse or suffer from extremely low self-esteem/validation issues fall into this category as well, so in a lot of ways, if you look at what is said here, it can be applied to all types of women.

Basically, it comes down to the fact that a lot of women need drama, and they need someone with a strong reality to overwhelm them. That is what attracts them to someone — a strong reality. And the drama is a way to knock them out of that reality and cause them to try and get back in. It’s constant stimulus for those “stimulus junkies” as TD would put it. I’ve had to deal with some pretty crazy women in my time (just look at my posts about “Ellyn” in the archive to get an idea), and this is always the cycle that occurs when I’m with them.

The trick is recognizing the cycle and controlling it, so you give them what you want with as little physical and psychological damage as possible. Do that, and you’ll be the best guy they’ll ever have.

Turning a One Night Stand into a Fuck Buddy

Ocassionally, there is good stuff posted OUTSIDE the hallowed ground of mASF. I found this interesting little post on a blog I like to read called “Orgy,” which is linked in the Blogroll to the right of my site. Anyway, a poster by the name of SmokingGun put up an interesting little article about the etiquette of a ONS (One Night Stand), and how to transition that to a FB (Fuck Buddy).

SmokingGun writes:
If you’re prepared for the possible emotional repurcussions, though, there are ways to increase the chances of a one time coupling becoming “booty call” material. It’s not a sure thing, but it is possible… if you do it right. The first thing, and this should be etched into your mind in stone, is make her come. Repeatedly, if possible. Personally, I try to get at least one orgasm out of the way before the initial penetration, since there are girls that just don’t get off from actual fucking. If you make her pleasure your first priority, you’ll score major points. Too many guys are only worried about getting off, and that puts them in the “mistake” column.

Anyway, it goes on from there. You can read the whole thing on the Orgy blog here.

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