David DeAngelo Attacks Speed Seduction!
May 30, 2007 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
Okay, David DeAngelo send out a very interesting email today.
Unlike his normal emails, which are designed to get you to try his Double Your Dating program out, this email was actually meant to comment on what David D seems to think is a "sad state of affairs" in the online seduction world.
He says that too many guys are trying to be "manipulative" with women, and he points a few subtle fingers at the cause of this – namely a thinly veiled attack at Ross Jeffries’ Speed Seduction.
Check out the full article below:
David DeAngelo writes:
THE DARK SIDE OF DATING…Over the past few years, since I published my
book "Double Your Dating"… and since I’ve
had some "commercial" success… I’ve been
hearing more and more stories from my female
friends… and these stories are starting to
alarm me.To explain where I’m coming from, let me
start with a story.When I first made the decision to actually
LEARN how to become more successful with
women, I went out and did some serious
research.I’m talking "book style" research here.
I went to the library, searched online, went
to live seminars, met dating "gurus"… and
generally tried to figure out if anyone
ELSE had spent the time to figure this stuff
out.What I found was a "mixed bag" at best.
Some of the materials that I found sounded
good, some of the stuff sounded completely
ridiculous, and some sounded like it was
ethically sketchy and manipulative.Now, I’m an experimenter. I’ll try just about
anything once.And I did try ANYTHING.
One of the "mindsets" that I came across was
something that sounded VERY interesting to
me at the time.It was the idea that a guy could make a woman
feel attraction and other sexual feelings for
him by saying things that contained "hidden
messages"… things that the woman would not
CONSCIOUSLY realize she was hearing… but
that would have the "desired effect" anyway.On its face, this sounded rather manipulative,
but the rationalle was that it was just
"tapping into emotions that already existed"
inside of the woman… so it was "all good".So I tried some of this stuff.
Like I said, I’ll try anything.
My own experience was that this material very
rarely worked. And it was never CONSISTENT
for me.Ultimately, I wound up feeling like this stuff
just wasn’t an ethical fit for me. It was a
little "over the edge" of being dishonest.Everyone has their own sense of right and
wrong, and after trying these things, I found
that they didn’t work for me… in the sense
that I didn’t like myself more after doing or
saying them… and they didn’t FEEL right.It’s funny, because now that I teach men how
to meet women, I get questions all the time
that start with things like "I don’t want to
use the things you teach because I don’t want
to be MANIPULATIVE with women".Ironic, really. Mostly because I think of the
things I teach as being NON-manipulative.And one of the things that I’ve realized is
that being honest with yourself, and honest
with women makes you feel like a better
person inside.And I think that the way you feel about
yourself determines so many things… from
your inner level of satisfaction with life…
to the level of trust others have for you when
they meet you.As far as I’m concerned, the more CANDID and
HONEST you can be with yourself and others,
the more self-esteem and character you build
for the long-run.I don’t want to start sounding like an ethics
professor or a philosopher, but let’s just say
that MORE HONEST is MORE BETTER.BACK TO MY POINT…
The reason I tell you this story is because
the things that women have been telling me
lately are starting to really bum me out.There are a lot of guys teaching various ways
to meet women right now… and some of them
are teaching dishonesty as a "main strategy"
with women.And more and more guys I talk to are starting
to talk to me about very DARK ideas for meeting
women and getting dates.Here’s the result…
I have one good female friend who recently
told me that she dated a guy a few times, and
that she recognized some "techniques" that he
was using with her.She asked him STRAIGHT UP:
"Do you know who David DeAngelo is?"
His reply:
"No."
Later, she went online and did a search using
his email address.Jackpot!
She found that this particular guy was someone
who posted in underground newsgroups about his
conquests with women.Here’s the good part:
As she was reading through his various online
posts, she found stories written detailing
everything about his experiences with HER.Even her exact words from emails she had
written to him… copied and pasted for the
world to see.And, as you can imagine, he know EXACTLY who
David D. was.And my favorite part…
He detailed how he used various lines, words,
and techniques to DECEIVE my friend, along
with several other women.ANOTHER ONE…
I have another female friend who is a very
social person… who meets a lot of people and
goes on a lot of dates.%
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What a hypocrit bashing others to make himself look better.
Calling David DeAngelo a hypocrite clearly shows you do not understand where he’s coming from or what his point was in that letter. Joke’s on you, Lewis.
Uh, sorry Lewis, confused your names…
I am not a big fan of the Dating Dave. His
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Have you ever had a woman be nice and act a certain way to get something she wanted? If you are like the majority I am sure that at one time or another the answer is yes – women in general (no not all) are more manipulative than men – whether you choose to use what you learn or not is up to you.
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