Stephane & Ideagasms – Threats, Lies, & Craziness…
Okay, back in September I posted a little thread about how crazy Stephane has become and the meltdown he experienced after Ghita finally got away from the guy. As of this writing, that was 5 MONTHS AGO. Since then, I have given very little thought to that post, and have not posted anything about it until now. It seems that even though that silly little post is old news to me, Stephane is still obsessing over it.
I’ve recently been getting very strange emails from the guy. The tone of them is wildly schizophrenic. He’ll refer to me as “his enemy” in one sentence, and then practically beg me to take down my blog post in the next.
Him and his “wife” (I didn’t even know the guy was married) have made a concerted effort to try and contact people affiliated with me and get them to stop “promoting” my website in an effort to destroy me.
Not only that, they’ve been trying their best to “defame” me and my business where-ever they can, including this very blog. Stephane whines I’m not letting him share “his side” of the story, even though I don’t edit any replies made to my postings.
Whatever. I really don’t care. Better men than Stephane have come after me, and failed. They can do what they want to try and “defeat” me or whatever. I know they’ll fail. Why? Because they did not make me succeed, so they can’t take away anything I’ve earned through my own hard work – no matter how much they lie about me. I’m used to people lying about me and defaming me. It comes with the territory I guess.
So I’d have never bothered to blog about this loser again – except for the fact that now I’m getting reports that he’s threatening OTHER bloggers out there who picked up on how crazy he is.
Lots of reports about crazy, threatening emails and even phone calls threatening to come over to their houses with a crew of thugs – all because people are posting… the truth?
Stephaker has literally lost his mind.
If this is the way he operates, the guy deserves to go out of business, if you ask me. Attacking me is one thing, but attacking OTHER people? That’s inexcusable. Stephaker now has the distinction of being just as bad as Ross Jeffries, which is saying a lot – considering how evil MINE’99 is.
I would encourage everyone out there – IGNORE anything and everything this Stephane guy does. His threats are empty. Do not let “fear” keep you from speaking out about him. Steve Piccus, just the other day, told me something very sage: The blog is mightier than the fraud. I’m convinced Stephane is an unstable, habitual LIAR, and the only way to stop a liar is to reveal the truth and never let him bully you.
Please put this lunatic in the same category as every other sociopath out there. Do not read his emails, do not respond to his posts, and do not give him any money. Just make him go away – for good. The guy can always get a job at McDonalds.
Ghita learned that once she got away from this guy, life was good. Life can be good for all of us if we just ignore this crazy and get on with our lives. So don’t let him bully you! Stand up against him, and tell him to Fuck Off.
A real sound “inner game/spiritual guru” would not resort to threating people in such petty ways. Shame on you Stephane.
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You suck dude and your creditability is suspect.
Stephane is too real for your punk ass to even comprehend.
Everyone in this community forgot you even existed until started taking shots at him.
I read your ebook when I got into all of this shit and got a small fraction of what I’ve gotten from Stephane over the past year…
Blah blah blah, aren’t you just describing yourself Thundercat?
Hahaha. Stephane is nuts.
“Stephane is too real for your punk ass to even comprehend.” Come on.
I did a post about this a few months back as well Thundercat. Very crazy.
http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/2009/01/04/what-the-seduction-community-is-not-about/
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F**K OFF HATERS! If you don’t want to improve your lives, as Thundercat is trying to help those who do, then go jerk yourselves off on some other website. Thundercat, you da man, keep up the good work. Haters, go take a sh*t on your bed ;o)
It is one thing to bash ideas, but it is quite another thing to bash real human beings and real companies with which they have a right to earn their living.
I am friends with Stephane and his wife, Greta. Here is the standard letter they have been sending out:
This is Stephane & Greta Hemon, from ideaGasms.
We’re writing because it has been brought to our attention that there is content on your website which accuse us of being insane, and possibly more.
It is one thing to comment about someone’s ideas, but quite another to comment about people’s names, businesses, and personal lives. For example, it is one thing to say, “I disagree with Neg Theory”, which is fine, but it is quite another thing to say, “Mystery is an XYZ evil person” and assassinate his character.
We feel that your positionalities concerning our business and personal lives are not “right” just because other people have joined in with the hatred and character assasination. In truth, you have never even met us – to position yourself as an authority on our business and personal lives is very hurtful, and we feel that we have the right to earn a living peacefully.
We hope that you can come to see that we are living, breathing, sensitive people just like yourself, and we ask that you simply remove all mention of us on your website.
We respect those who stand for Truth and Integrity, and we see you as having had positive intentions (such as warning people that they might get scammed by a non-integrous company). We respect those who stand for their truths. So we don’t have any animosity for you, we just want peace and quiet.
We feel that the online lynching has been more than enough to give people a sincere warning about “the evil ideagasms empire”, but now the time has come for us to ask for peace. So far, there are several websites, forums, and blogs that have agreed to take their offensive posts about our personal lives down, and it is our hope that you will see our humanity and do the same.
Thank you so much!
Greta & Stephane Hemon
ideaGasms inc.
“Okay, back in September I posted a little thread about how crazy Stephane has become and the meltdown he experienced after Ghita finally got away from the guy. As of this writing, that was 5 MONTHS AGO. Since then, I have given very little thought to that post, and have not posted anything about it until now. It seems that even though that silly little post is old news to me, Stephane is still obsessing over it.”
Is the pain of breakups not enough? You have to shove it in his face and try to ridicule him on top of it? Not cool, man.
“I’ve recently been getting very strange emails from the guy. The tone of them is wildly schizophrenic. He’ll refer to me as “his enemy” in one sentence, and then practically beg me to take down my blog post in the next.”
I am friends with Stephane and Greta. Here is the first of the so-called “schizo” emails they sent him:
From: Stephane@ideagasms.net
Subject: a loyal friend indeed
Date: February 7, 2009 8:01:50 PM EST (CA)
To: thundercat@thundercatseductionlair.com
I appreciate your loyalty to Steve P., and your integrity for standing up for your beliefs.
Since you believe that he taught me everything I know, and I just blatantly used the guy and threw him away… a friend like you is hard to find in this world.
If you would actually listen to my products and read my posts, and compare this to Steve P., I think you would find that you have been in error – actually, most of what I’m into is almost polar opposite to Steve’s work.
Sure, I learned how to make my own circles more solid, and how to make girls squirt more effectively, but what you don’t know is that I used to WORSHIP Steve and give him TONS of credit on my older site.
That is, until he fucked me out of a business deal, and proceeded to sell videos of my girlfriend having orgasms online. That is when I said, “Forget this guy” and now, YEARS LATER, I barely remember our conversations, let alone the few ideas he shared.
You just don’t know my side of the story, but I don’t blame you for defending his honor.
If you consider me a nutjob, I’m fine with it, but I ask that you let me go. I can barely afford to pay the bills at this point, and if things get worse I will have to send my wife back home to her country. This isn’t a game anymore, it is ruining my whole life. And I don’t see the kind of malice in you to actually want something like that.
Here is another email I got this week, to give you an idea of what we live with:
From: [omitted]@gmail.com
Subject: Wrath
Date: February 4, 2009 12:55:09 PM EST (US)
To: stephane@ideagasms.com
Whats up baby,
This is your twisted fucking revenge coming from the other end of the archetype. The following will be a furious and vengeful death to your ego you murderer of souls. You see you evil maligning piece of filth, you pulse of the maggot. You have killed Gretas father indirectly. You fucked up lives, you turned people into alcholholics.
Except for me…
Drug free, 100% Sober and eating a lot of health food.
Ghitas a slut now a total victim bitch.
Your the incestous filth the caused it hall and I will watch the maggots eat your flesh and I will bury my fist into the surface of the earth of your grave with might and leave a print of a fist there and plant a flower inside of the fist.
If you won’t end this thread, then at least tell me what it is that you want?
Sincerely,
Stephane
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we are scapegoating steph for merely possessing the same human
weaknesses that we all posses, and pretending like we actually know
the truth of this mans personal private intimate life story based on a
bunch of internet hoopla
Invading his privacy shows the true ugliness of this site and the many
others, and everytime anyone says anything bad about steph, we all
believe that person 100% without question
nobody gives a shit about his wife and how this affects her life too –
people even blame her and steph for “CAUSING” her father to commit
suicide
as if we have the right to presume we can “CAUSE” someone to hang
themself
nobody cares that he has regular death threats and had to leave town
nobody cares that he has the right to earn a living however he
chooses, even if you don’t like what he teaches spiritualy
You say “this guy has no ethics” but you don’;t even know him, yet you
don’t even question the ethics of thundercat who purposefully drums up
business through drama and the pain of others through constant
backstabbing and negativity
you say he’’s the victim of his own pride / arrogance / stupidity —
read his posts, does he seem like a stupid idiot to you? The humility
in his posts is very plainly obvious for the whole world to see, and
he has been sharing his personal live with everyone for many years out
in the open
WOOOW
amazed that nobody questions the angry posters on here who throw
insults and are obviously deliberately lynching someone to feel
superior and NEVER can people just say “MAYBE I WAS WRONG” bc of their
shallow pride
FUCK
who’s with me?
Any scenario can be taken out of context and cleverly twisted so that it’s meaning is reversed. Since this blog seems to be about uncovering the TRUTH [Quote above “…all because people are posting… the truth”], lets look at what’s going on here. A lot of you know about NLP and influential speaking, and know that by applying a certain frame, then speaking as if that frame were true, and repeating it over and over, you can indoctrinate people to accept that frame as true. (This applies even if it is unintentional).
It seems that certain frames have been adopted for this blog post, are being spoken as if they are true, and are being repeated. Are we to believe something is true just because we read it five times? [Quote above “how crazy Stephane has become and the meltdown he experienced” --- “wildly schizophrenic” --- “picked up on how crazy he is” --- “Lots of reports about crazy” --- “literally lost his mind” --- “this lunatic”]
Also, if the author of this blog truly believes Stephane to be “schizophrenic”, then shouldn’t he be trying to help Stephane? To make sure that he is looked after, to make sure that he can be treated appropriately for this supposed schizophrenia? Rather than commenting “the guy deserves to go out of business, if you ask me”, and “ Just make him go away – for good.”.
Is this the way to treat an old friend who has fallen ill?
It is not even clear why Stephane has been the subject of malice on this site. He is not a threat to anything being done here. Stephane clearly says in his recent products that he DOES NOT hate the community, that he actually has a huge amount of love for the community, since it has brought him to where he is now. He says “Just because I choose vanilla doesn’t mean I hate chocolate.”, referring to the fact that he thinks highly of the community in many ways, and has simply chosen something else. So why are some elements within the community blatantly seeking to destroy his life? [Quote above “…Do not read his emails, do not respond to his posts, and do not give him any money. Just make him go away - for good.” --- “the guy deserves to go out of business, if you ask me” --- “I would encourage everyone out there - IGNORE anything and everything this Stephane guy does.”]
It seems that because Stephane has an interest in spirituality he is now labeled as a lunatic. Quantum mechanics is spirituality, as is “The Secret”. Every religion around the world is spirituality. The vast majority of people on this planet follow a religion and are therefore spiritual. Condemning a spiritual person is like condemning mankind. Everyone is free to believe in what they want, and Stephane is free to teach what he believes in PEACE, without online slander and emailed death threats. Even the smallest amount of decency and reason makes this obvious.
In truth, the spiritual aspect of what Stephane teaches is more like Buddhism than anything else. He teaches love, compassion, understanding, forgiveness, and strives to embody those qualities himself (this is SO OBVIOUS in his latest products – it is the very basis of them). He helps people, when they contact him, to find those qualities, so that they can feel love and strong confidence within themselves. He teaches men to become TRUE naturals. He helps those people who ask for his help and lets everyone else be. When malicious online slander destroys his business and forces him to go into hiding, he asks people to have compassion and understanding for the author of the slander, and courteously emails the author asking that the slander be removed. What more can you ask for from a person?
Enough useless damage has been done. It’s time to let this thing go.
~ Archetypal Transference Figures ~
He had, indeed, become the scapegoat, the immediate villain, the sponge which absorbed all malice and irritability abroad – just as the most frightened person in a party seems to absorb all the others’ fear, seems to be afraid for them all. – F Scott Fitzgerald
The role of a scapegoat is never easy, often a scapegoat goes through a real hell, alone, isolated, ostracized… Usually scapegoaters choose a victim who is unable or unwilling to fight back and is thus forced to accept whatever accusations or punishments others are meting out to him. Unconscious interchanges within the group determine who will be chosen to carry group disturbances as its scapegoat.
Unfortunately horrible violence, like psychological maltreatment, can be truly random. And scapegoating even more so, as a scapegoat is an archetypal type, a transference figure, upon which others project everything they can’t face in themselves. Sometimes almost anyone nearby can be chosen as a scapegoat if he or she happens to be around just when the group is anxiously searching for a scapegoat. In many cases you can just forget assumptions sometimes made in psychology and psychological astrology about an unconscious collusion between scapegoaters and their victims. They are unproven theories that just lead to an unfortunate practice of blaming the innocent.
ANYONE CAN BE A SCAPEGOAT
There is a cowardly propensity in the human heart that delights in oppressing somebody else, and in the gratification of this base desire we always select a victim that can be outraged with safety. – James T Rapier
Any person whose behavior differs from that of his fellows may constitute a threat to others. If you think that the target is always somehow inferior or weaker than others, look around and think again. Sometimes you may be chosen for a scapegoat because of your best qualities as any qualities falling below the group standards or surpassing them can make you different. Your superior qualities may arouse group envy or insecurity. Or you may be chosen for a scapegoat because some key figure in the group doesn’t like the way you talk or walk or dress…
Sometimes the inner group pressure may be so strong that almost anyone will do as a scapegoat, the only criterion may be group safety: the group chooses someone who is either permanently or momentarily unprotected. If the potential scapegoat is by nature gentle and unaggressive, all the better, because then the group can do its thing without any fears of retaliation. Groups in search for a scapegoat can be extremely sensitive in picking up a person who just then is unable to refuse the role.
“All groups, when they reach a certain size, acquire a sluggishness that usually makes their own development slower than that of the individual. Thus the day inevitably comes when the group has fulfilled its purpose for the individual.” (Thorwald Dethlefsen). When that day comes, when you begin to feel that the group rather hinders than supports your progress, you will be in danger of becoming an outsider. And more than that: you are the prime candidate for the group’s next scapegoat. If you are highly creative or otherwise a broad-minded person with many interests you will be highly susceptible , your creativity may be one of the factors making you susceptible to becoming a scapegoat.
Relationships are usually the best protective factor, thus of you are a loner without many close friends or supporters, you will be especially vulnerable of being chosen as the group’s next scapegoat. And the risk is even bitter if you happen to be a sensitive and receptive person, astrologically probably a Neptunian with shaky boundaries. In some groups and societies being a woman is all that is needed…
For some high-profile men in trouble, women, especially feminist women, became the all-purpose scapegoats – charged with crimes that often descended into the absurd. – Susan Faludi
BEING DIFFERENT
Whenever you accept our views, we shall be in full agreement with you. – Moshe Dayan
Many groups are almost unbelievable in their unconscious need of members who all fulfill group’s unspoken expectations. Behave badly if you like, but do it our way, as we expect you to do. If you are a Piscean, you may be welcomed to wander around in laissez-faire style mixing up things and creating confusion, at least if you do it with charm and kindness. But don’t you try the same thing if you are a Capricorn, from you we expect more stamina. From you we find similar behavior confusing, and you will be shut out. Thus believe as we do, think as we think, or you are not one of us.
The scapegoat soon becomes a loner who can’t communicate her or his suffering to anyone. Not even to a modern psychologist if the psychologist happens to belong to the ‘it’s all within you’ school.
Living a life in isolation can be unbelievably hard for anyone, and most of the world is without compassion. Fortunately advanced spiritual aspirants like Stephane – most often chosen as scapegoats – have their own survival tactics because they usually live close to their own inner world. Or if they haven’t done that before, they’ll learn to do so when scapegoated. Having a strong inner life a true seeker of Enlightenment never feels totally alone or inwardly isolated, although he or she can, of course, still feel rejected and abandoned, still being HUMAN and all.
What most isolated scapegoats desperately long for is a sense of belonging, often they would do almost anything to find at least someone who would see through appearances and recognize that the scapegoat has not chosen the role of a victim, neither is being a scapegoat a sign of masochistic tendencies or of anything else like that. Anyone can become a scapegoat in some circumstances.
And you can’t draw any definite conclusions about man’s karmic debts from her or his role as a scapegoat, as some esoteric ‘experts’ sometimes claim. Jesus had no karma, and He was the biggest scapegoat of them all.
A good friend to Steph would be worth gold. But it has to be a friend able to offer non-judgmental listening without easy karmic explanations or psycho babble about meeting one’s own projections.
Unfortunately such friends can be hard to find because of the modern tendency to interpret the fate of a scapegoat – or any other victim – as encountering herself or himself. This essentially means victimizing the scapegoats by saying that they are getting ‘what they asked for’, when in fact in scapegoating, the scapegoater is getting what he asked for, not the scapegoat.
There are, I know, human beings either doomed or blessed to a way of life which deprives them of any of the normal indulgences and privileges of their communities. It is almost as if they are charged with a role that sets them apart and makes them incapable of joining in the society of men… It is not that such men do not feel human in themselves and seek to shun the company of their own kind … the longing within them to be part of the ordinary community of man is greater than that of any of those who daily take for granted such belonging. — Laurens van der Post
Leave Steph and his wife alone – haven’t you all made your points already? This website shows up as the second thing when searching for IDEAGASMS in google, and people read gossip like it’s gospel. People will believe anything as long as its negative.
“It seems that certain frames have been adopted for this blog post, are being spoken as if they are true, and are being repeated. Are we to believe something is true just because we read it five times? [Quote above “how crazy Stephane has become and the meltdown he experienced” --- “wildly schizophrenic” --- “picked up on how crazy he is” --- “Lots of reports about crazy” --- “literally lost his mind” --- “this lunatic”]
Also, if the author of this blog truly believes Stephane to be “schizophrenic”, then shouldn’t he be trying to help Stephane? To make sure that he is looked after, to make sure that he can be treated appropriately for this supposed schizophrenia? Rather than commenting “the guy deserves to go out of business, if you ask me”, and “ Just make him go away – for good.”.
Is this the way to treat an old friend who has fallen ill?
It is not even clear why Stephane has been the subject of malice on this site. He is not a threat to anything being done here. Stephane clearly says in his recent products that he DOES NOT hate the community, that he actually has a huge amount of love for the community, since it has brought him to where he is now. He says “Just because I choose vanilla doesn’t mean I hate chocolate.”, referring to the fact that he thinks highly of the community in many ways, and has simply chosen something else. So why are some elements within the community blatantly seeking to destroy his life? [Quote above “…Do not read his emails, do not respond to his posts, and do not give him any money. Just make him go away - for good.” --- “the guy deserves to go out of business, if you ask me” --- “I would encourage everyone out there - IGNORE anything and everything this Stephane guy does.”]
PURE GENIUS!
I can’t believe i didn’t see this stuff before
stephane I want to apologize for some things I said about you
I believed whatever the “popular kids” were saying about you, even if they were clearly raping your personal private life and purposefully trying to make you go work at McD’s for a living
thundy is playing god with ppl’s lives
anyway this website is now a nice commercial advertisement for your site, steph
all the people who bash you are mean, rude, shouting, insulting, vicious, commenting about your personal marriage
and all of your friends here who stick up for you have been kind, forgiving, compassionate, and this speaks for itself !!
A word to the wise, Stephane…
If you’re going to come to my site and post a billion different times defending yourself under fake names, at least be smart enough to hide your I.P. address.
Moron.
Thundercat
Thundy how about you show the world your IP log?
Hmmm…..?
Oh right! Because you like to ban the IP’s of Stephane & Greta’s friends!
World, here is yet another letter that Stephane & Greta recently sent thundercat:
From: stephane@ideaGasms.net
Subject: you also seem to be a scapegoat
Date: February 9, 2009 3:05:59 AM EST (CA)
To: thundercat@thundercatseductionlair.com
Cc: stephane@ideaGasms.net
This is both Greta & Stephane,
We’ve been doing some research on you, because we wanted to know our “enemy”, we wanted to learn who is really is, and what we’re finding is that you have also been “scapegoatted” by the seduction community, but so far it is unclear as to why this is so. Surprisingly, we’re finding that you seem to be a very nice, caring person with a good sense of humor. We learned about how you began your path in this community, and enjoyed your post about “the pizza in one hand, and my dick in the other hand” very much
Through this research we see your humanity. And we are questioning the motives of why the seduction community seems to hate you so much, and we’ve been comparing our own “scapegoatting” story to yours. We’ve been reading your posts, and you don’t seem like someone who is “deserving” of so much hatred – quite the contrary. Of course we have to put our differences aside and ignore your attacks on us, and when we overlook, we find your posts to be intelligent, thoughtful, and helpful to humankind. Perhaps you too are being falsely accused on many things.
We have also read your post where you asked for people to please pray for your father, and we have. We once did the same, and asked people to pray for my (Greta) father who recently committed suicide, with no suicide note.
Our own experiences have taught us a lot about hatred, and how you also must feel inside. We honor your work, your integrity (protecting your friends, for example) and your humanness, and it is our hope that you will come to feel the same way about us.
Sincerely,
G & S
Now, does anyone reading this see hatred, sociopathic, schizoid tendencies and enemy accusations coming from Greta/Stephane?
by the way, Thundercat has yet to reply to even ONE of the emails that Stephane/Greta have sent to him.
Why cant we all just get along?
ps Sinn gets fat girls
simple jack,
Stephane is simply playing a different card because he now realizes that people understand that his threats are empty. You don’t understand what types of emails he has sent people behind the scenes, all under the guise of Compassion. If you knew, then your perception would change.
He is the type of person who will say one thing, and then do another. This isn’t just my opinion, this is an objective observation of his behaviors. Seeing as Stephane is the type of person who was once a fanatic of Stephen Covey’s literature, he should have read his book entitled “Speed of Trust” and understood what makes somebody trustworthy.
Since Stephane’s threats are of no value, he is resorting to trying to kiss Thundercat’s ass. This is what happens when somebody becomes desperate. You can’t threaten people and then turn around and compliment them and expect to be taken seriously.
Simply Jack, I understand why you want things to improve for Stephane. The problem is, you’re standing up for what you THINK he is, not the REAL Stephane. People who genuinely have love and compassion don’t behave like Stephane. He’s a masterful reframer, very subtle manipulator and an extreme energy vampire.
If you’ve been a follower of Stephane’s teachings over a period of time, you will know that he teaches students what Energy Vampires are. His descriptions are accurate, but at the same time, he isn’t above them. Stephane’s behaviors have shown that he is an intimidator. That did not work, so now he is playing the poor-me card.
Think of it this way, do you overlook things that Stephane does, simply because it’s Stephane? Do you hold him to a different standard than you hold others to? If somebody was acting like a douchebag to you, you would probably tell them to fuck off. If you don’t do that for Stephane, why not?
Stephane is an idiot, he is a sociopath and has no real friends, only those he uses to step to the next stone.
We know where you live thundercat. We know where you live. You need to be very careful right now, would you corner a venomous snake? Is this really worth it? You know what you need to do, but your running out of time.
I’d belief the IP log, it happens on mine all the time.
“Air Force Retirement Pension Plan”
The Pentagon recently found it had too many officers,
And offered an early retirement bonus. They promised
Any officer who retired straight away his full annual
Benefits plus $10,000 for every inch measured in a
Straight line between any two points on his body, with
The officer getting to select any pair of points he wished.
The first man, an Air Force general, accepted. He asked
The pension man to measure from the top of his head to
The tip of his toes. Six feet. He walked out with a check
Of $720,000.
The second man, an Army general, asked them to measure
From the tip of his outstretched hands to his toes. Eight feet.
He walked out with a check for $960,000.
When the third one, a grizzled old Navy commander, was
Asked where to measure, he told the pension man: “From
The tip of my penis to my testicles.”
The pension man suggested that perhaps he might like to
Reconsider, pointing out the nice checks the previous two
Generals had received. The commander insisted and the
Pension expert said that would be fine, but that he’d better
Get the medical officer to do the measuring.
The medical officer attended and asked the commander to
Drop ‘em. He did. The medical officer placed the tape on the
Tip of the commander’s penis and began to work back. My
Goodness!” he said. “Where are your testicles?”
“In Vietnam,” the commander replied.
List of supervillains so far:
Mine’99
Edward Norton
Charles Manson wannabe Stephane
Step is CRAZY, plain and simple
So….he has to get a girl from another country?….His stuff can’t get him one here?
mail order bride!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
what a loser…….
The payments on her must be too steep. Bad economy, you know.
Jesus and Satan were having an ongoing argument about who was better on the computer. They’d been going at it for days, and frankly, God was tired of hearing all the bickering.
Finally fed up, God said, “THAT’S IT! I’ve had enough. I’m going to set up a test that will run for two hours, and from those results, I’ll judge who does the better job.”
So Satan and Jesus sat down at their keyboards and typed away.
They moused.
They faxed.
They e-mailed.
They e-mailed with attachments.
They downloaded.
They did spreadsheets.
They wrote reports.
They created labels and cards.
They created charts and graphs.
They did some genealogy reports.
They did every job known to man.
Jesus worked with heavenly efficiency and Satan was fast as hell.
Then, ten minutes before their time was up, lightening flashed across the sky, thunder rolled, rain poured, and, of course, the power went off.
Satan stared at his blank screen and then screamed every curse word known in the underworld.
Jesus sighed.
Finally the electricity came back on, and each of them restarted their computers. Satan started searching frantically for all the work he’d done, screaming, “It’s gone! I lost everything when the power went out!”
Meanwhile, Jesus quietly started printing out all of his files from the past two hours of work.
Satan observed this and became irate.
“Wait!” he screamed. “That’s not fair! He cheated! How come he has all his work and I don’t have any?”
God just shrugged and said, “JESUS SAVES.”
We know where you live thundercat. We know where you live. You need to be very careful right now, would you corner a venomous snake? Is this really worth it? You know what you need to do, but your running out of time.
Thundy you need any help let me know, I’ll fly out. I’d like to have a shot at these pussies.
I wish you bitches would come after me….
Fucking cowards….
Stephane do all a favour…kill yourself!!!!!!!
Hey Thundercat! You FUCK OFF!
Thunderfat is the biggest fraud in the community.
I feel sorry for the guys he misleads.
If you’re a newbie and you don’t know any better,
be very careful of believing this tub of blubber.
He is a liar and will try to make money off you
any way he can. He cannot pickup to save his
life.
Btw, for those that think I’m writing this just to
stick up for Stephane – I think he’s a nutcase.
“A drama lover walks into a bar….owned by another drama lover”
While I really do believe there are much more effective and less effort-requiring methods of marketing, I guess someone has to target the gossip mongers. After all… they are the ones with all the idle time!
Make no mistake, readers. All this stuff is simply publicity.
Cmon guys, lets not bring in all this negativty. Lets harness the positive energy.
ps Sinn gets fat girls
johnny likes to sucks d*ck
“Cmon guys, lets not bring in all this negativty. Lets harness the positive energy.
ps Sinn gets fat girls”
Ha ha…positive energy indeed.
Guys, Stephane is the real deal.
When I first met him, I considered myself pretty enlightened.
I was a level 3 Scientologist, and I had spent a lot of time, money and energy getting myself to this level of exquisite mental health. But I was reaching a plateau, and I had to break through it before L. Ron would let me on the space ship.
So I called Stephane and we did a 3 hour session together. Before I knew it, I was expunging THETANS like CRAZY. It was unbelievable.
For the first time in my life, I’m so close to escaping Xenu’s evil grip… I can taste it. And it feels good.
Thank you Stephane.
P.S. This is not anecdotal evidence. This is scientifically factual. And I have the AUDITS to PROVE it.
P.P.S. Has anyone ever noticed that Thundercat might be a bit on the portly side?
Ideagasms sucks. It’s clearly not the best program out there as they say. “Welcome to the front lines of dating/relationships” lolll!!
notice Stephane’s level of ATTACHMENT, that says A LOT about his “higher spiritual level”
Steph is a VICTIM!!!!!! its hilarious that he is STILL going after Thundercat hahahaha How about working on some credible products instead of hassling your “enemies”? *sigh
He’s crazy in the coconut.
That boy needs therapy.
What does that mean?
That boy needs therapy.
Frontier Psychiatry!
And he also made false teeth.
And you wonder why people think the seduction community is a bunch of nutjobs. Just look at the comments in this post. I mean, seriously guys?
The EMO overload here is incredible.
GORWN MEN WHINING about each ogther, on the internet, with everyone just “happening” to be in business against each other. That says the combatants are SO greedy (or desperate) for money that they will resort to sounding like a sixth-grader throwing a temper tantrum, and some lame justification that they do it to “help people.” No, they do it to SELL STUFF. DUH.
It’s bad enough that with all this “lifestyle game” being taught, that NATURE and PRIVILEGE are now considered “game,” with many of the “gurus” all young, tal, and good-looking. It’s as if all the NFL coaches were Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Ray Lewis.
I’m glad I was able to have a deliciously NORMAL love life in my twenties, without the internet or this “community” garbage clouding it up. Pity the young boy who thinks this is all there is with women.
Hey Icanhelpyou:
What about Frontier Psychiatry? I read the blog. Are you the blogger?
why do I even visit this site?? nonsense
You had your chance to rectify this situation Thundercat. All you had to do was to take down these slanderous posts. That is all that we asked you to do and we have been very fair and given you plenty of time. I’m sorry but your time is up. Good luck.
How about you start adding some value to this blog again instead of some “been there-done that” story…Its getting old and frankly this site has gone dead…I lost interest along time ago..Sad cause i used to check this regularly..
“why do I even visit this site?? nonsense”
Ha, why do birds fly? Why does Sinn get fat girls? Why is the earth round?
“Ha, why do birds fly? Why does Sinn get fat girls? Why is the earth round?”
Why is your penis … small?
-Sinn
Why does Johnny claim he’s the best PUA out their but spends his entire day on forums and comment board? Loser….
Apparently Thundercat is being ripped on by
:http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/193/RipOff0193041.htm
Ray Gordon……wow…..we thought you were dead. Thought you froze to death in a rooming house.
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You had your chance to rectify this situation Thundercat. All you had to do was to take down these slanderous posts. That is all that we asked you to do and we have been very fair and given you plenty of time. I’m sorry but your time is up. Good luck.
Blow it out your ass. You can’t do shit…..worm.
David Wygants owns Sinn. Sinn cant even look the guy in the eye.
Wygant makes Sinn wear the Porkpie Hat while he bangs him in the ass
Love reading your blog..keep it up! I look forward to reading every time i notice a new post is up.
My name is Ray Gordon.
I am a cocksucking homosexual queer.
Fuck you and have a nice day.
I thought Stephane was always against marriage and painted other married people as being deluded and then goes and gets married and all of the sudden, because he has done it, he changes his whole entire attitude towards it and now its alright. What the fuck? Just like doing cocaine and saying it doesn’t affect him because of his vibrational level. Always making other people out to be less than he is when he does the same things as those other people, and his made out of flesh and blood just like those other people, and happened to find his bride over the internet after he told his “followers” the internet was a waste of time for meeting and dating people. Fucking bullshit. Who the fuck is he again and why the fuck would any of you ever put him on a pedestal (or anyone for that matter). If you do follow him then there is not much anyone can do to help you at this point.
I don’t worship stephane anymore. From now on, I only have one true god. It’s the letter D. All hail D.
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Did discrediting disputes delay development of the daft dating duo’s dogmatic diatribes, and did dinero dissipate for this dictatorial dude? I demand details!
LOL
or perhaps…..DOD??
Hey – if you are reading this and you are looking for a fun place to flame, spam or just have a fun time goofing around, (because Thundercat’s blog has grown boring) swing on by and drop a comment at my website. I’m trying to spruce things up a bit. I may delete some of your comments but keep in mind it’s just to add to the controversy.
Check it out by clicking on my name right here.
I wanna see alot of creativity. Let’s see what you got!
Hey Mehow, can you unban me?
Thanks man
I can’t do that. But I can give you some good advice for free. Go to google and type in “free anonymous surfing” and look at some of those websites.
Happy surfing.
Haha wtf? Is this really Mehow? Whats the difference?!
Mehow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MEHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MEHOW MADNESSS!!!!!!!!!!!
Im UPSET HE WASNT UP THERE IN THE TOP 10
HE IS MASTERMIND PUA…..RESECT THE COCK BITCHES!
FUJ I is CooL TOO :+)
You guys get SO personal with each other.
Two things:
1. You are talking ABOUT guys, TO guys.
2. We are supposedly HETEROSEXUAL.
There is no “community.” Men COMPETE, they do not COOPERATE.
This is all EMO bullshit designed to make people FEEL GOOD about SPENDING MONEY, and the MEN are teasing the rank-an-file worse than any SHB ever could, by danging “the answer” in front of them.
If everyone has had the answer for so long, why are so many guys still getting shitty results?
Call yourself a guru, and you accept your customer’s flaws along with his money. They become yours to fix, and not by blaming the student. If he was so hopeloess, and you couldn’t see it, give him his money back to fix YOUR mistake in offering improvement.
Also, how much can this information be WORTH if it can be found online so easily?
This was just a bunch of guys in 1998 speaking the truth about women because we felt it needed to be told. It has SO jumped the shark into something so putrid that it no loonger serves any useful purpose, beyond economic. It is not even a MOVEMENT anymore, but a marketing machine with brand-name gurus.
A 25 year-old pickup guru is like a 25 year-old NFL coach.
Guys
My name is Ray Gordon. For the past 10 years I have continued to post on community based websites like this one, telling guys how stupid it is for them to be involved and posting on community based websites like this one.
You guys get SO personal with each other.
Two things:
1. You are talking ABOUT guys, TO guys.
2. We are supposedly HETEROSEXUAL.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Coming from a guy who has threaten people with baseball bats.
Ray, no one cares what you have to say. You ruined your rep on usenet.
Oh and backing down from a challenge to Mystery….you are such a loser.
PENIS HUNGRY!
FEED THE MONSTER!!!!
Ray Gordon, nice post.
Ray Gordon, nice post.
Yeah Steph, you and Ray would get along really well. Hows the beer money?…running low?
Maybe you can talk to the bartender about unconditional love, then go all off on his ass when he calls you on your shit….snicker.
So tell me, as a guru, whats it like to have to get a woman from another country because you can’t get one here out of 100 million or so. Did you do an approach….laughing.
huh????????????
The truth about Ray Gordon
Goddamn it what is all this constant crap about Capelta clothes shopping? Whoever posted the above link is a first class conckmuncher.
I have no idea who Ray Gordon is but I have to agree with him. There is no community, only pissing contests and guys trying to make a buck. There is really is nothing to learn about pick-up itself. There is something to learn about the behaviour of women, but that can be found on many sites FOR FREE.
Other then that it’s about getting your shit together and going out there and doing it. No biggy really.
Thundercunt, keep ripping on other people like RSD and Stephane. Surely that will get this pathetic jumble of html and php some respect right? NOT!
Don’t agree with Ray, he’ll sue you.
What sites are you talking about?….as in the behavior of women?
Might be some I missed, please share..:)
A word to the wise, Stephane…
If you’re going to come to my site and post a billion different times defending yourself under fake names, at least be smart enough to hide your I.P. address.
Moron.
Thundercat
Steph Got OWNED!
THUNDERBLOOBBBBB steph is making you look fat >:3
well… that whole stephane guy… “the worlds greatest pua”… lulz… greatest pua that scored two girls throught his five year career… give me a break
Laughing are you absolutely shitting me? Don’t you have google you buttmunch? You can type in seduction or whatever and all kinds of sites pop-up. Those sites contain information about said topic. You should try it, it’s MAGIC.
So Thunderfuckwad, it’s been a while since your last post. I wonder why that is? Probably..
BECAUSE YOU SUCK!!!
Thundercat is like the resident TOOL. Used by guys like Mystery and Style (the guys that make money) to get them even more bussiness. The only people he has something good to say about are the people that he can’t put down (because he’s to weak and fat).
And now the weakest link in the seduction “community” wants to sell you his crap to. I’ll say this again, you don’t need to spend money to learn how to get bitches. It’s all hype. Guys like Mystery and Style are bussiness men not pick-up artists.
Style gave the “community” such exposure with his book, and he did so for a reason. TO MAKE MORE MONEY. That’s all it is. I don’t know this for sure but I don’t think TokyoPUA has ever been on one of Thunderthyroids PUA lists.
TokyoPUA’s site is a complete and free breakdown of many encounters with women (in JAPAN
) I learned a lot from reading this site. And there are many other ways to learn about pick-up without blowing all your hard-earned cash. Heck, I learned more from David DeAngelo’s newsletters then I’ve ever learned from this white trash site, wich has the integrity of a sleazy tabloid.
Hey, heard on Barry Kersey’s podcast that Thundie’s in a whole lotta mess.
Thundercat is not only a joke, not only a disgrace to the community — but also a disgrace to the internet, and to himself. This guy is one of the biggest hypocrites and negative influences your likely to find, on top of that he is also lazy, fat, living in his moms basement, and extremely sleazy.
His internet site can only be summed up by taking sleazy and putting it in a blender with enquirer, try hard, dorky, rip off and anti-social proof.
His products are nothing but rehashed information boiled down to get a pathetic AFC to take action, even though that action will be for the most part the same actions he would take if he just was really lame with women but decided to talk to them anyways.
What about the letter D???????
Has everyone forgotten?
This will be short and to the point:
I just returned from a book signing at the Borders at 1801 K Street NW in Washington, DC. Neil Strauss (aka Style) was promoting his new book EMERGENCY.
Ghita was by his side.
‘NUFF SAID.
Neil is an educated, legitimate and congruent business man. Who actually practices what he teaches. Steph isn’t. Good for Ghita!!
Neil ran the biggest legalised scam in the community with Annihilation Method, and now he has a book out about how to hide your money from the government. So now that he knows how to launder money, is he riding the line between businessman and scam artist too closely?
It just seems weird that of all the women he could get he ends up with a mentally ill community member’s ex girlfriend. She’s fairly plain and hardly very intelligent to have fallen for his obvious lies and bullshit for so long. So not much more going for other than she likes to fuck around. Nothing to set her apart from other smarter and hotter chicks.
So is Neil just fucking her out of spite, as some kind of lame fuck you to Stephane, or is he just unable to get better chicks he needs to stay in the community’s gene pool?
This online community is a mess.
We all should have known that online stuff is not legitimate, and thank gawd that you can get a lot of information without paying for it. Unfortunately I don’t even think a lot of the stuff is worth the time you spend to read it. It’s not that some of it isn’t helpful or good information. It’s that you have guys misrepresenting their success and trying to brainwash you, and for some guys like me, they actually succeeded and I’m a pretty independant dude!!
I took a look at some of my old stacks yesterday, stuff I use to consider cool and I saw it all in a new light, I saw it as really lame try hard pickup lines and we already know pickup lines don’t work.
I keep trying to find a real teacher, keep giving this stuff a chance to really help my life, but what I am finding overall is that I would have been much better off 3 years ago after my breakup to just move on with my life and not try to become some sort of master PUA. About the only stuff good that this stuff does is to get you out there talking to girls, but once you realize what a bunch of bullshit this whole thing is you start to lose faith in the teachings and your success goes down anyways just based on that alone.
I think all of you reading this should consider working on your look, getting into the gym, and doing something REAL with your lives. Try to set up a life for you that you enjoy and structure what you do and the way you live your life in a manner that will support people being drawn to you because of what your life can offer them.
In highschool that could be being the kid who is on the sports team or the kid who throws events or parties. Same with college.
After that your success will increasingly just come down to not getting in your own way and setting up your life so that the environments you spend your time in tend to favor you, your the guy with value your the alpha of the group by default. A bartender at a bar hangout, the community organizer, the guy with the house that can throw pool parties a block or two from the bars, the dude on the lake that teaches everyone how to water-ski.
Stand for something in life and be the go-to guy for it and women will always be around. People will need you. Don’t waste your life reading ebooks on how to manipulate people or “generate” attraction or learn from some guy who claims to have all the answers as if this was a math equation. All these guys have going for them is that they have found enough desperate men looking for answers with no life and no identity – to be their social proof. Even they have followed the advice I just laid out there.
Practical advice in your interactions to go from meeting a girl to fucking?
I’m finding that a lot of the stuff taught does work to various degree’s in helping you to spark lots of conversations but anything you do that is meant to distort who you are will lead to failure in the end, usually before you even fuck her. If you do fuck her you would have been able to do so anyways without that stuff. I’m not saying you can be boring, but talk about stuff that interests you and get her talking about stuff that interests her. Keep things light and playful and then lead the interaction forward and make something out of it and if that’s not going to happen go talk to another girl.
This is all the stuff you really need to know. If you need to have a few topics or themes or gimmicks to get the ball rolling go ahead and put some together but make sure they don’t project some sort of image you have to live up to like the too cool for school shit or the bad ass motherfucker shit or the adventurous monger road trip man .. if that stuff isn’t who you are. If your a fucking loser looking for something to do and looking for some friends that shit wont serve you, your better off making people feel good when they are around you and being the beta in a social group and then using that social group to branch off.
Detrimental Delusions Deemed Deliciously Decadent!
Guys cant we all get along??
hugs all around.
Fuck you anonymous. Take your hugs and shove them right up your ass.
his name should be thunderBITCH. cause he’s definately a genuine pussy. that is all…
Mack Wild:
That was a pretty good post. Very insightful.
I bet she is doing better than Steph….LMA
montrealangelwings
I bet she has more beer money….snicker
I just saw $trauss on Carson Daly. Carson went to his house and he introduced him to his gf Ghita. I didn’t know if that was her or not.
Doesn’t Neil know the story of Dragon Butter?
Dude Stephane must be so neck deep in a coke binge at this point, based on his hard drug habits I’ve heard about.
That e-mail he sent out where he photoshopped a mocking halo on Greta’s dead father…wtf just heard about it from Kirkey’s old radio show, my guess…coke binge photoshop.
Rome is burning, the cashcow (ideagasms) isn’t making anything anymore…how do you keep afloat? Steph, you’ve lost your girls, your readers, your cash and you still love coke, girls and followers…you must be at a pretty low callibration level broseph, right under turd sandwhich and douchebag even under Thundercat who callibrates at fluffer levels
“*must be* so neck deep in a coke binge”
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must be….a speculation
“based on his hard drug habits I’ve *heard about*”
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heard about….so you dont know
“wtf just heard *about it* from Kirkey’s old radio show, *my guess*…coke binge photoshop.”
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about it…you dont know it, you’ve heard about it….your guess…a speculation based on what you’ve heard about
“you *must be* at a pretty low callibration level broseph”
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must be…based on your subjective view of reality…which isn’t the same thing as True Reality
Perception Vs. Essence.
Appearance Vs. Reality
I looooove cock .. er I mean coke.
I officially endorse Revolution31 and the Barry Kirkey Radio Show.
yeah you betta represent…
I think
Smiley face is Stephane. Anybody agree?
Either way, I sense some deep psychotic issues with that poster.
I agree….
agree that Revolution31 and the Barry Kirkey Radio Show is the motha-fkin shiznit!
Pimp out before you Wimp out bytches!
We’re all in it for the same thing guys! As one guys said, hugs all round!
Great post Mack Wild!
Hey guys, Prophet here from VA.
Just letting you know that the post from “Azazels_wolf” was an impersonator. Anyone who has spent any time actually talking to the man knows that he is not a man to just go around attacking people and saying the things that someone is trying to make you think he is saying. In fact, I find it very suspicious that Mack Wild’s name has shown up here as well, since Mack was pretty upset with Azazel after he banned Mack from our forum for being a troll who just went around causing drama all over our forum.
Makes one think…
Happy sarging everyone,
Prophet
P.S. has anyone noticed the tiny little happy face at the bottom corner of the page? What’s that doing there?
Why does it seem like all the gurus of the pickup community are nuts?, lol. Personally, I don’t care about the personal lives of the people who add value to my life and increase my understanding of social dynamics… I’m just sayin’.
All I know is I get Stephane’s newsletter and it’s good. Has anyobody tried Stephane’s products? What did you think?
David Gideon
Whazzup Douchecat. I’m really starting to get a kick out of all these nicknames I made up for youz. Let’s see if I can come up with a few more.
Fleecat
Thunderfutility
Fatcat
Thunderrat
Thunderfobiac
Thundercatastrophy
I’ll be back with more!
Stephane’s products kick ass. If you ‘get it’, you won’t need any more community products.
Or you can just go sarging, read some Tolle and take salsa lessons, bro.
Yeah, I second that. I’ve heard them all.
If you “get” it, life becomes so good it’s ridiculous. I just sit back these days and watch myself being a natural.
A genuine natural.
All it took was to grow a pair of balls and take the action necessary to sort my life out. I have to laugh that I ever used a “tactic” on a girl. They aren’t needed.
Funny to read all of these comments. My thinking about this subject is as follows:
I don’t give a fuck. I have bought products from both parties, and have learned something from everything I have obtained. This pissing match can continue on indefinitely for all I care. My only concern is for what you produce and the impact it has on me, beyond that it’s all noise.
In college I had a computer science teacher and an English teacher that hated each other, so for two hours a day we students were treated to a barrage subtle barbs and blatant attacks by both of them. We listened to each of them intently, and often encouraged the ongoing feud…but we didn’t learn shit. Finally the school had enough and got rid of them both. We students then went on to learn about the respective subjects.
The moral of the story is this: Concentrate on teaching what you know and you’ll have student anxious to learn from you. Become consumed with a pointless battle, and students will go find someone else teach them.
By the way, I do enjoy Renegade Rapport very much and listen to it often.
Thank you for keeping this post UP.
you seduction gurus make me sick you can’t beat stephane so you guys tells lies about him. ME PERSONALY I’M NOT A FAN BUT YOU GUYS SOUND LOW CLASS JEALOUSY WILL GET YOU NO WHERE
Hey guys, Prophet here from VA
The other Prophet is obviously also an impostor. I can’t believe he would impersonate both azazels wolf and I. This is getting ridiculous. I’m the Administrator of VA and I am the one who banned Mack Wild. Azazels_wolf only bans when I’m busy faking wikipedia entries. I’m disturbed by the amount of filth that has been thrown at the great website we’ve set up. Anybody who knows azazels_wolf would know that he would never attack anyone. Here’s an example of him moderating a well known user of our site in the manner befitting an alpha male.
http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?p=111222
Azazels_wolf is a man who is far too busy reading sex and pickup advice he’s read in books and posting it as advice. He doesn’t even have time to test it and see if its actually harmful or not, so why would he have time to be writing on a trashy gossip site like this? LOL.
The impostors on this site are obviously drunks LOL and need to be in rehab.
If any of you need me I’ll be on wikipedia faking entries for Mystery Method and lying about it later.
Happy sarging everyone!
Love vitasmortis aka Prophet.
Thanks for your kind words Prophet!
You are the best moderator partner I’ve ever worked with, the fairest, the strongest, the smoothest skinned and of course, the gentlest of lovers.
Obviously I have not said any of the things I’ve been accused of. I love Neil Strauss, so much, the thought of him makes me tingle in deep dark places that few people know about (but you know Prophet, oh yes).
It is a sad reflection of people’s insecurities that they would write such harsh things and pretend to be me. Obviously these people are deeply bitter and angry, because only angry and bitter people have a sense of humour about life. The internet is serious business which these poor beta males haven’t realised yet. Do they seriously think that joking about serious things will help them become better with women? Ha! Fools! Women are attracted to real men who take life seriously and view everybody with suspicion. There’s nothing a woman finds sexier than a white knight, willing to lay down his life (for the evening) to tell someone off on the internet, and protect her honour. I get more cyber sex than anyone else on Venusian Arts. Fact. I’m suspicious of everybody and it all pays off because I know I’m right. I just know it. What a wonderful approach to life I have.
I’ll be releasing an ebook soon. Please PM me on the Venusian Arts forum for updates. It will teach you how to mask that inferiority complex with a superiority complex, and help you refrain from using your sense of humour, instead replacing it with a general snotty disdain for anything fun or reality based. Obviously Prophet is a student of mine. He responded with seriousness and a sense of superiority to an obviously joking beta male. The bitter and angry people will see his misplaced sense of superiority and overly serious tone as an even bigger reason to take it lightly and make fun of him, but thats only because they hate life and beat their wives.
Prophet was wrong about Mack_Wild but that doesn’t hold him back from giving his opinion, wrong or not. It doesn’t matter if you’re wrong – if you say it, you’re right! Oh yes, the Azazels Method is strong in this one. You will be a master one day, my young Jedi.
Happy sarging,sexy people. Except you mack_wild. If you come back to Venusian Arts I will rape you. And I practice Tantric masturbation, so be afraid. Be very afraid.
That guy looked crazy in his videos. Should have known he was whacked out of his gourd.
check out this recorded bit from the rsdworld summit its way better than this old article.
Just like there’s a thin line between love and hate, there’s a thin line between genius (hard to understand for most people) and batshit crazy (understandable to NO ONE). Lol!
I for one am not a divide and conquer player, I’m an unity dude (when both sides show equal respect though – what’s right is right). There are millions and millions of guys out there who seek dating advice, and I’m willing to bet that if gurus would combine forces and create a product together they could help more men and get more money themselves… than when they try to carve out a piece of the market for themselves.
Think about it: there are now between 50-100 pick up companies, and if all would carve out there own fan base, sooner or later everyone’s fan base would shrink. Anyone that knows economics – beach theory. Look it up.
It’s the whole notion of competitive thought, swimming in a sea that’s invested with sharks, a red ocean, while you can achieve more success by thinking in blue oceans. Read blue ocean strategy dudes.
And anyone who knows his social game will agree: strength is in unity, not in divide and conquer.
To more dating success,
Dennis Miedema