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Podcast 7: Messenger, Matador, & Alex, Oh My!

July 18, 2008 by  
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In this week’s Podcast…

  • I saw the latest Batman movie – and totally geek out!
  • New format for the Podcast coming soon
  • Sean Messenger is the Gary Busey of the Seduction Community
  • My interview on the Barry Kirkey Radio Show
  • Mystery Lawsuit News
  • Matador doesn’t like me.
  • The RSD Alex Video deconstructed
  • What happened between me and Pickup Podcast
  • People don’t like Juggler?
  • The return of LBD
  • Vince Kelvin sent me an email

Check it out.  This week’s podcast runs a little over an hour.

Click Here To Download Podcast 7

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Comments

28 Responses to “Podcast 7: Messenger, Matador, & Alex, Oh My!”
  1. Draggin Balls says:

    Hey TC…

    Good podcast.

    Suggestion: it would probably be a good idea to get a co-host, as you mentioned. Since you are a little bit low-key, you might consider getting someone with more energy. I think that’s why you and Barry sounded good together.

    Good luck.

  2. Mack wild says:

    The exert you got of the amog battle comes from mind of mystery.

    They were doing a demonstration on Amogging eachother.

    Amogging is suppose to be “fun”. It’s two buddies just having “fun” with eachother. It displays social intelligence.

    The audience knew what they were doing and what they were trying to display was a fun playful amog type energy so that guys would understand the underlying concept.

    Amogging is not about getting mad and being reactive. It’s about NOT being reactive, not taking things seriously, and tooling eachother for FUN. It’s not to be taken seriously like you took it Thundercat.

    The reason you never got into amogging is that your too out of the loop to even begin to understand it. Your the one who doesn’t get it man. It’s just not your thing. Your obviously a low energy, dry, serious type guy. That’s fine.

    Yes Matador lost the battle — but if given the pretense of the situation — he were to get serious and all pissed at lovedrop — that would have been much worse than what he did — which is to try to playfully reframe it as if lovedrop was only winning because he was copying his lines.

    It’s like if someone says to you something that really blasts you and gets you good — and then you reply:

    “Wow Thundercat — you made a funny. Congrats man”

    It’s that same sort of thing. It’s making you look try hard.

    Do us ALL a favor and don’t try to teach or ridicule stuff that you obviously don’t understand or even get man. Stick to what your good at — flaming, being serious, being moralistic, and trying to obviously copy Swinggcats game in your podcasts to try to look cool.

    Peace.

  3. Mack Wild says:

    In fairness you did nail the RSD thing down. They actually teach the stuff he was doing to guys. Calibration? That stuff is totally gay to them. Even a sentence on their forum that calibrates or takes a womans perspective into the picture is frowned upon and laughed at by these guys. They teach a sloppy and transparent version of used car salesman tactics.

    Grabbing her arm when she doesnt respond, yelling louder and louder, trying to put her on the spot instead of calibrating in a tactful way. RSD teaches some good inner game but their outer game doesn’t align with it. They are trying to teach you how to be a man but instead they teach guys how to be wild animals and women just get pissed or dont take them seriously for the most part. That’s why you dont see live footage from these guys despite all the questions about them. Its going to take them a long ass time to come up with it — Jeffy’s pride story is still from like 5 years ago — where he landed a girl after a long battle with some tough competition by calling her a “fucking slut”. That’s his glory story.

  4. Mack Lame says:

    Dude, where did you learn about AMOGing?

    AMOGing isn’t meant to be fun or something that’s done with your buddies in your spare time. I’d have to agree with TC’s assessment that AMOGING is lame to begin with. Its a tactic used to beta people and crash their value through the floor so you can tool them in front of chicks.

    Get off Matador’s nutsack. I bet you’re a virgin.

  5. Mack wild says:

    Dude the context in which they were doing it was as two friends that were trying to show guys what the “energy” is when amogging.

    Amogging is done all the time between people. On a daily basis you can see it. It’s a way that two guys play with eachother — and if someone is good at it he can use that skill to attract women that are nearby.

    Amogging is done at work, in school, or in private. It’s can be used as a TACTIC to try to lower another guys value in front of a girl — yes. In that context I would agree that taking that road against some guy that you barely know in an effort to “blow him out” is not nearly as effective as befriending him.

    However in real life amogging is prevelant and if you get angry and on guard every time you are amogged than you are just going to be the type of guy that people like to fuck with. Especially those who are good at amogging.

    Thundercat took something that was very educational and good and blew it out of context probably to suit his beef with Matador. I don’t even know the guy and could care less. I just cant stand it when people don’t know what they are talking about.

    Me and my friends and coworkers fuck with eachother all the time. It’s suppose to be fun, and thats what they were trying to show us. If you had seen the other part of the amog section — matador clearly owned Mystery. Him and mystery had an amog battle and matador wrecked him.

    I agree that amogging in order to try to win the girl over is a strategy that can easily backfire if you don’t know the other guy and are doing so out of “spite” to try to “blow him out”. The reality however is that most naturals and cool guys know how to amog very well and do so naturally — thus lowering your value. So it is very very valuable to understand the energy of amogging, not be someone who takes it seriously or personally — and become someone who can take it in stride, have fun with it, and someone who is good at it.

    Mack wild the virgin signing off.

  6. Blunderspat says:

    T – R – A – N – S – C – R – I – P – T. Fat lazy bitch.

  7. >Sean Messenger is the Gary Busey of the Seduction Community

    SWEET!

    Thanks dude. That is some high praise. This doesn’t mean I have to crack my melon on pavement by dumping my motorcycle, does it? :)

    Much like Gary Busey, I too do not work on Elvis’s birthday. (DC Cab, motherfuckers! :)

    Love,

    Sean

  8. You want that vid just topless, or full-frontal? :)

  9. >Amogging is done all the time between people. On a daily basis you can see it. It’s a way that two guys play with eachother — and if someone is good at it he can use that skill to attract women that are nearby.

    Completely, 100% wrong. NOTHING turns off a cool chick faster than trying to make another guy look bad.

  10. Oh man, I totally Busey-ed the link to DC Cab.

    Must. Do. Fewer. Drugs. :)

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=RPHnIc0kvEo

  11. Please get an RSS feed for this podcast so we can download in iTunes and not keep checking back! I’m trying to get Barry to do the same.

  12. Mack Wild says:

    >Amogging is done all the time between >people. On a daily basis you can see it. >It’s a way that two guys play with ?>eachother — and if someone is good at it >he can use that skill to attract women ?>that are nearby.

    - Mack wild

    >Completely, 100% wrong. NOTHING turns off >a cool chick faster than trying to make >another guy look bad.

    This is outrageous. Anyone that says that amogging between men is not a normal part of interactions involving women is TOTALLY blind to it and to say that it is 100 percent wrong is blasphomey. This doesn’t even warrent any further discussion — it is UNBELIEVABLE that people are actually arguing that this shit doesn’t go on. I can’t TELL you how many women I have lost due to being amogged effectively without having good comebacks. Happens constantly. Developing good comebacks and ways to hold your own with other men is CRITICAL. Anyone who says otherwise is simply not to be trusted for any type of quality seduction information what so ever.

    If you want to hold your own and seduce girls that you may not know as well as other men who are on the scene — you HAVE to be good at amogging. It’s simply insane for anyone to argue that.

  13. I'll have a coffee, side order of toast and....SEX WITH BARRY KIRKEY says:

    ?on. I can’t TELL you how many women I have lost due to being amogged effectively without having good comebacks. Happens constantly. Developing good comebacks and ways to hold your own with other men is CRITICAL. Anyone who says otherwise is simply not to be trusted for any type of quality seduction information what so ever?

    I agree..at work bosses always amog employees in order to reinforce their place and position…sometimes subtly…it’s lame stupid, insecure and ultimately counterproductive but occurs especially in environments where there is a guy competition for status, which is damn near everywhere. One thing I will give RSD though is that they are good in this area.

    So mack wilde, what are some examples of you have overcome an amogger? I think part of it is being in a playful aggressive state, where you don’t take what they say to harshly but play with it. Also, responding with a canned response can come off more of an insult if it comes from a place of seriousness. But yeah amogging is a problem in bars especially, men are just wired to try and reduce someone, but as I said very counterproductive. Also, the stronger the reality the less likely it will happen to someone.

  14. I'll have a coffee, side order of toast and....SEX WITH BARRY KIRKEY says:

    ?on. I can’t TELL you how many women I have lost due to being amogged effectively without having good comebacks. Happens constantly. Developing good comebacks and ways to hold your own with other men is CRITICAL. Anyone who says otherwise is simply not to be trusted for any type of quality seduction information what so ever?

    I agree..at work bosses always amog employees in order to reinforce their place and position…sometimes subtly…it’s lame stupid, insecure and ultimately counterproductive but occurs especially in environments where there is a guy competition for status, which is damn near everywhere. One thing I will give RSD though is that they are good in this area.

    So mack wilde, what are some examples of you have overcome an amogger? I think part of it is being in a playful aggressive state, where you don’t take what they say to harshly but play with it. Also, responding with a canned response can come off more of an insult if it comes from a place of seriousness. But yeah amogging is a problem in bars especially, men are just wired to try and reduce someone, but as I said very counterproductive. Also, the stronger the reality the less likely it will happen to someone.

  15. >Anyone that says that amogging between men is not a normal part of interactions involving women is TOTALLY blind to it and to say that it is 100 percent wrong is blasphomey.

    Dude, I KNOW it goes on. What I’m saying is doing it turns OFF cool chicks. Yes, there are some insecure skanks who like when boys fight over them. But every single girl I’ve ever been with will confirm that even if she likes a guy, she likes him less if he tries to tool another guy.

    The only answer to a guy who is making fun of you is just to smile and say, “you’re right!” and then talk to him like a normal dude. NEVER ever ever get into a war of words or do any stupid, stupid amogging stuff.

    At best, it will turn girls off to you.

    At worst, it WILL get you stomped.

    It’s a lose-lose proposition, brother. Be cooler than everyone around you, and if it really comes to it, skip the talking and just make it clear to the guy you are happy to settle things outside at any time.

  16. Mack Wild says:

    >So mack wilde, what are some examples of >you have overcome an amogger? I think >part of it is being in a playful >aggressive state, where you don’t take ?>what they say to harshly but play with it.

    You nailed it right here and this is what matador, mystery, and lovedrop were trying to show.

    You become a good amogger when you stop taking it personally or as a challenge. You get good when you start to see it for what it is, a fun way for guys to bond and compete with eachother. You have fun with it, you realize what they are doing and you don’t buy into the frame and come up with your own reality.

    “I got your x — in my pants”

    In real life Amogging is often very subtle. Amogging is not just the stories you hear in a set where pua x goes in and says:

    “Hey your girlfriend just called, she said she needs you to turn the HEAT back on”

    Often in real life it is the arch rival guy in the workplace telling you to tuck in your shirt in front of the girl you both like — behaving as if he is your boss when he really isnt.

    It’s the roomate you have that busts on you for playing a guitar that is out of tune while the girl you are both talking to sits at the kitchen table — so he can try to promote the frame that your being try hard and trying to act like you know how to play the guitar when you really dont.

    It’s the fun shit that guys pull on eachother to try to affirm status.

    Naturals and cool guys arn’t amogging in ways that make them come off uncool and tryhard. That’s why they are GOOD at it. They are doing it in subtle ways.

    “Hey man, what are you doing? — no you do it this way man” While putting their arm around you.

    Now it doesn’t pay to become obsessed and paranoid about amogging. It doesn’t pay to start recognizing when someone is amogging you and then getting mad because you are so upsett that the other guy is “resorting” to such a juvinille tactic as amogging. That’s a newbie mistake. That is a chump mistake.

    the way you overcome it is to embrace it, have fun with it — this is suppose to be fun. Befriend the guy, you can even bond with most guys who amog by being good at it, having fun with it, and holding your own. They will come to accept you within the group.

    Guys who are great with advice on amogging and actively teach you how to hold your own include:

    VA
    MM
    RSD
    David D

    amogging takes place on a daily basis if you are intelligent enough and knowledgable enough to spott it. Sometimes people even do it without even really having any sort of knowledge they are doing it, on some level they know they are looking to score some easy points — but really it’s about someone looking to force their reality onto you.

    Get good at it, have fun with it, learn how to make them look try hard in an unreactive way — there are many resources to get good at this or at least be able to defend against or come off “above” it. Apparently this site wont be one of your resources.

  17. Mack Wild says:

    >Dude, I KNOW it goes on. What I’m saying >is doing it turns OFF cool chicks. Yes, >there are some insecure skanks who like >when boys fight over them. But every >single girl I’ve ever been with will >confirm that even if she likes a guy, she >likes him less if he tries to tool >another guy

    Im sorry man but you just don’t get it. Your out of TOUCH.

    Amogging is not just a community trick. The idea of it comes from the observation of the many ways that guys lock horns in a subtle and indirect competition for the girls. The man who comes out on top is more attractive to the woman period. End of story.

    This happens all the time on a daily basis and pretending that it doesn’t isn’t going to help anyones game.

    Yes the extreme uncalibrated version of amogging comes off as stupid to women, but most naturals and cool guys know how to do it very effectively in a way that does not come off as obvious to the fact their jealous or try hard.

    You can’t ignore or pretend that amogging doesn’t exist, most men know how to do it, and the men that have women into them that YOU want — CERTAINLY — know how to do it.

    That doesnt mean I am saying anyone should become an active and aggressive amog — but you should know how to deal with it and be able to hold your own — and you should have fun with it and not take it too seriously — which is what those guys were trying to show.

    I was just jumping in because thunder totally took it out of context — and went as far as to say the guy was smoking weed. Sure he probably smokes weed but I have smoked weed many a times in my day and that was not weed. When you smoke weed you hold it in and a big smoke cloud comes out. I have also smoked cigs, he was smoking a cig.

    For thunder to jump on, totally miss the point of the video, and then make wild accusations as to why matador (who had wrecked mystery in the previous amog battle) lost the battle or didn’t get all up in lovedrops face and get pissed — is a direct display that you have to really second guess anything the man says. Maybe it was a blunder on his part — everyone makes mistakes — but Thunders credibility fell big time in my eyes with the comments he contributed.

  18. Mack Wild says:

    Oh and in regards to Juggler — I dont know why he is catching heat.

    Yes he is difficult to work with but that is because of his morals and ethics. The guy simply will not recognize a lot of the community because a lot of what they teach is in his words “weak”.

    A lot of the men that follow him tend to be afc’s resisting change. Studying JM can be very helpful for a man who already has good bearings and boundaries — and a fair degree of testosterone and personality.

    A weak nice guy following his method — allows them to continue being ineffective, niave, needy, easy, and overlooked.

    If you have the right core balance and know when to apply Juggler type rapport and when to show your a man with some balls — than you can benefit from JM.

    To compare JM to RSD is like comparing dog shit to peanut butter.

  19. Penis Joe says:

    Sean Messenger,

    Props for being able to take some ball busting, even if some of it is kinda harsh.

    –Penis

  20. >Also, the stronger the reality the less likely it will happen to someone.

    This is SUCH a great point. The more you look for it, the more it happens. It has LITERALLY never happened to me (not unless you count getting beaten up in 10th grade), because I don’t even accept it exists. If some dude was dumb enough to try to make me look bad in front of girls, I’d just totally ignore it.

    In fact, that has happened with a known-pickup “guru,” and I distinctly remember just looking at him for a second like, “wtf?!?” and continuing to talk to the girls like he wasn’t there.

    Nothing personal, but if a guy is not helping you, he doesn’t exist.

  21. >That doesnt mean I am saying anyone should become an active and aggressive amog — but you should know how to deal with it and be able to hold your own — and you should have fun with it and not take it too seriously — which is what those guys were trying to show.

    Word Bond.

    Well said, Mack. Well said.

    Just have fun and don’t take it too seriously. You just summed up everything. Shit, why do you think they call it The Game? It’s a game. Have fun, damnit. :)

  22. >Props for being able to take some ball busting, even if some of it is kinda harsh.

    Thanks dude, but it’s just kinda karma, y’know? With all the harsh shit I’ve said to other dudes (yes, the BAD kind of amogging), I figure I’ve got about eleventy million years of ball-busting coming back my way. :)

  23. Sicum says:

    Amusing little bit from RSD’s private forum. Some guy was going to post video of himself, but apparently changed his mind. Check out the Alex quote in his sig line, and the “edit”:

    “I CANNOT GET BLOWN OUT FROM OVER-ESCALATING!

    “Be music my friend…there is no escaping it.”
    -Alex~
    Last edited by Tom!; 06-26-2008 at 03:40 AM. Reason: Video Yuck”

  24. Artisan says:

    I’m I the only one that that can’t play or download the MP3?

  25. Bamboo says:

    Thundercat, I invite you to notice the possibilities of touching that are beyond a tool for checking for compliance. *points to crotch area*

  26. Michael says:

    @Mack Wild
    Grabbing her arm when she doesnt respond, yelling louder and louder, trying to put her on the spot instead of calibrating in a tactful way. RSD teaches some good inner game but…
    IsnВґt this a contradiction ?

  27. Michael says:

    The good “RSD Inner Game teaching” leads obviously bad behavior!

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