Dr. Phil Bitch Slaps Ross Jeffries – Have Video Proof
April 22, 2008 by Thundercat
Filed under Rants & Reviews
Ha ha ha – he he he – hoo hoo hoo…
Ah, where to begin…
First of all – why the hell would any of these guys go on Dr. Phil in the first place? Do you know any GUYS who watch Dr. Phil? (Well, STRAIGHT guys?) I certainly don’t. Dr. Phil’s audience is WOMEN. So why bother wasting time pitching your seduction business to a bunch of chicks if you aren’t teaching them how to get men? Snarf.
Okay, all that aside though – I thought the Mystery Method guys came off very well in this show. They were cool, calm, collected and walked that fine line between being "politically correct" and honest about what they teach. Fact is, Mystery Method DOES work on women. It is effective. That’s why it’s taken off the way it has.
Now, whatever you feel about Savoy and the current state of Mystery Method, post-Mystery, is immaterial to this show. Sure, I would like it if Mystery was still in charge of the Mystery Method name, but that doesn’t mean these guys aren’t offering value to other men by teaching what they are. (Plus, there’s a lot of behind the scenes stuff about the meltdown over at Mystery Method I won’t be sharing here, since I’ve been sworn to secrecy not to reveal it.)
So now that we’ve got Mystery Method out of the way, let’s get to the real mean and potatoes of this.
Ross "MINE’99" Jeffries.
And boy oh boy, was MINE’99 channeling all his evil, selfish, hypocritical energies in this episode! Wow. I knew MINE’99 was delusional, but the extent of his warped reality has only gotten worse with age. Maybe his horrible friz-fro is somehow affecting his brain in the same way an alien parasite would? Who knows.
Anyway, back to the show…
First off MINE’99 proudly proclaims that he is the "father" of the
seduction community. Though he did start the online newsgroups, I want
to officially amend this title to the "mentally-off creepy uncle who
likes to molest you when he gets drunk" of the seduction community,
since that is probably a more accurate statement of his real role in
it’s birth and development.
He says he wants to give men a way to get women without
participating in the four "B"s – Bullying, Begging, Buying, and Booze.
Which doesn’t make any sense since it’s obvious MINE’99 would never get
any female attention without partaking in all of those things he just
mentioned. But regardless, he left out the fifth "B" which is
BULLSHIT. Or maybe not, since Speed Seduction is exactly that.
Moving on…
Then he starts talking about the "Dark Side" of seduction. He goes on to say:
There
are people in this community who are teaching methods and tactics that
I think women should definitely be aware of. There are people who are
teaching some very sick and twisted stuff. And I do sort-of feel like
Dr. Frankenstein, I’ve given birth to a monster. There’s 10,000
bastard children of mine running around and I sort-of feel like its a
responsibility of mine to clean it up. I would like to put them out of
business if I could. Had I not started this, they wouldn’t have been
around.
Honestly, I’m surprised he didn’t finish with "IN 1999!!!!!!" *dum dum duuuuuum!*
Yes, MINE’99′s ego has not diminished along with his looks, age, and
penis size. He has become even MORE egomaniacal as he’s become more
and more irrelevant.
MINE’99 was the FATHER of teaching sick and twisted ways to seduce
women! His entire BUSINESS is based on it! And he acts like he’s the
one who spawned all the lame-ass copy cats.
News Flash: No one is ripping off Speed Seduction because it
SUCKS. If anyone can claim to have a billion bastard kids running
around perverting his teachings for their own gain, it’s MYSTERY since
almost every workshop business in existence is teaching what is
essentially his stuff!
I love how MINE’99 is acting like a crusader wanting to "put people
out of business if he could." Didn’t he try and destroy David DeAngelo
for years? Didn’t he launch a crusade targeting Mystery which ended in
death threats? Has he not tried to shut this very blog down numerous
times by sending me threating BS legal letters?
This is a guy who is SO insecure, he even brings his lawyer with him
to Neil Strauss’s book signings in case anyone bad-mouths him. Ross
still yearns for the good old days when he was the only game in town.
And honestly, if it wasn’t for Neil swooping in and making him part of
his Stylelife business, he’d probably have gone under a while ago
himself.
The fact is: Ross doesn’t GIVE A SHIT about helping other guys or
saving the seduction community from the "rip off artists." He just
hates the competition which has all but sunk his business and forcing
him to go on shows like Dr. Phil to drum up business. He only cares
about his EGO, which is what ultimately drives the man.
Notice how MINE’99 dodges the question when Dr. Phil asks him "How
successful have you been at this from a business standpoint?" Fact is,
last time he was successful was a DECADE ago. His business is all but
treading water at the moment because not only does his stuff suck, but
his former business partner is running a competing business selling the
SAME FREAKIN’ CRAPPY PRODUCTS. But MINE’99 turns it around using his
ninja MindLines skills and says "I’ve certainly been VERY influential."
Yeah, right.
Influential in the respect that you have taught men around the world what NOT to do if they want to get a chick. Obviously.
Next is where the interview gets REALLY good.
So Dr. Phil asks "Have you been on the sleazy side of this, and now
you don’t like the direction its taken?" To which MINE’99 completely
lies through his freakin’ crooked teeth.
"What
disturbs me is that the other schools that have cropped up rely a lot
on invalidation, on making women doubt their attractiveness, on
techniques that make women uncertain of whether they are being
complimented or insulted. They’re digging into people’s LOWEST
emotions – their fears, their insecurities, and I don’t think that’s a
valid way to attract someone AT ALL."
Ah… so
sayeth the man who who created the BLOWJOB PATTERN. This is a guy who
would not only teach people how to anchor bad, evil, feelings of loss
and abandonment to doors to keep women from breaking up with you – but
he would REVEL in it. This is a guy who would share with people how to
hypnotically regress women back to childhood and mess with their sexual
development and identity in order to get laid. This is a guy who
actually ENCOURAGED men to walk up to women and say "My name is Manny
The Martian. What is your favorite flavored bowling ball?"
The whole concept behind Speed Seduction was using hypnosis to
completely take away a woman’s free will and make her do everything you
wanted, which essentially would turn her into a hypno-slave. That’s
the marketing, that’s the concept, that’s what he tries to teach people.
And now here he is badmouthing the very stuff he encouraged for
YEARS, until his "sudden" turn around into a "good guy" last year when
he was desperate to save his business and had to mend some fences.
Lame.
And you know the best part about this interview? It’s when MINE’99
starts getting defensive with Dr. Phil and tries to lecture to the
guy. Now, I’m certainly no fan of Dr. Phil, but ya gotta respect a guy
who smacks down MINE’99s bullshit when he starts shoveling it out.
Then, to make matters better, when Dr. Phil tries to peg him as a
sleazbag by teaching men how to get laid, MINE’99 tries to defend
himself by saying his marketing for his stuff is MISLEADING, and it
doesn’t really help guys get laid.
Ha ha ha ha ha…
He might as well have just said "I gotta lie about my shit because otherwise NO ONE WOULD BUY IT!"
He then goes on to defend his Get Laid newsletter by saying "I wrote
that in 1993!" (Wow, six years before 1999 – guess that stuff sucks
even worse, huh?)
So not only is his stuff misleading and ineffective, it hasn’t been
updated in 15 years. I don’t know about you, but what I was doing to
get chicks 15 years ago has changed dramatically to what works for me
today. Way to stay current Rossy-boy.
Misleading, ineffective, AND outdated. Yay! Don’t you just want to go out and buy Speed Seduction right now???
Then Dr. Phil accuses MINE’99 of being a pimp. Dr. Phil got this
one wrong. People pay Pimps to get laid. People pay Ross to learn how
to stay at home and masturbate more. I’ve seen Hustle & Flow.
That guy was a pimp. You, MINE’99 are certainly no Pimp.
Then Ross goes on the ATTACK. He starts bad mouthing the MM boys by saying:
"There’s
a lot these guys do that they didn’t talk to you about that’s actually
really kind-of nasty. One of the things they rely on doing is flipping
women back and forth between feeling like they are being approved of,
and feeling they are being criticized. They do something called
Push-Pull, where they give the woman a little attention, and they’ll
pull it away so she doubts whether they’re attracted to her or not.
They use a lot of invalidation, the theory being that if you invalidate
a woman, she’ll have sex with you to prove her attractiveness. There’s
a lot of that going on."
At this point, Nick Savoy
says that this isn’t true. And you know what? It’s NOT!!! Swinggcat
(Speed Seductions former top student) was the one who pioneered the
Push-Pull theory. I don’t recall Mystery Method ever using that stuff
- even if they say they do, it’s not true Push-Pull the way it was
initially conceived.
And the humorous thing here is that what Ross describes is something
Speed Seduction teaches – only in a lot less effective way – by using
fractionation and anchoring and submodalities. He is basically
criticizing everything he teaches himself right here! Unreal.
But oh, it gets better…
"What they said about it
not being canned routines is ridiculous. They use huge amounts of
canned routines. When they ask your opinion, they don’t really care.
In fact, they’ll interrupt you when you try and give it and go on to
finish the routine."
Wow, this coming from a guy
whose entire SEDUCTION SYSTEM is about memorizing canned hypnotic
patterns and vomiting them back up with every girl you meet. In order
for Speed Seduction to even be remotely effective, you’ve got to
memorize like 300 of these suckers. And do you honestly think MINE’99
gives a fuck if a girl has ever really watched that roller coaster
documentary on the discovery channel? Do you think he CARES what she
really felt like when she was a little girl discovering her Christmas
presents?
Honestly, this is hypocracy at it’s best.
This is even illustrated further when MINE’99 explains what he
"teaches," and then Dr. Phil says "But that’s not the way you sell it
on your website." To which MINE’99 responds "No, absolutely not."
Let me repeat that in a different way:
MINE’99 DOES NOT ACTUALLY DELIVER WHAT HE PROMISES TO SELL YOU.
He even admits it on national TV.
And then the girls chime in. They even say the Mystery Method guys
are trying to do what Ross says is the "right way" to pick up women,
but that they’re doing it in a "Better Fashion."
Translation: Ross’s shit don’t work. MM’s shit does.
Another girls says it’s creeping her out.
Translation: Ross is creepy. His teachings are creepy. Therefore, she is creeped out.
Then the final girl says she never wants to go to a bar never
again. Someone should warn her that MINE’99 and his students don’t go
to bars, so that’s probably the SAFEST place to be.
And finally – Ross completely DENIES that he teaches hypnosis! They lying continues…
That
is a complete mistake. All elements of strong human emotion have a
hypnotic aspect to them because they are taking place subconsciously.
So
wait a minute… MINE’99 doesn’t really teach hypnosis? No more NLP
based material? No weasel phrases? No Blowjob patterns? He must have
completely dropped synesthisia and embedded commands. No more
hap-PENIS. No sir. Speed Seduction has now evolved to a kinder,
gentler, and even less effective form of seduction, ladies and
gentlemen. Huzzah!
Dr. Phil: Are you teaching hypnosis or anything related to hypnosis?
Ross: No! No – I am teaching something far more disturbing, and I want you to listen to this.
By
the way, that was a hypnotic command, but whatever. I love how all of
MINE’99s sales material and course material is all based around
hypnosis, and here he is blatantly LYING and saying it isn’t. He also
never said how much more disturbing the stuff he teaches is, he just
kind of leaves it at that – which could possibly be the first true
thing he said the entire interview.
So Dr. Phil finally asks "What is it you do???" To which MINE’99 responds:
"I teach men how to use language with women to evoke strong emotion."
Really?
Wow – sounds like hypnosis to me! Go figure. I mean, isn’t that NLP?
Using language to evoke desired emotion? NLP = hypnosis last I checked.
Even in MINE’99s example of what he teaches, he describes a hypnotic
induction loaded with weasel phrases and embedded commands, then talks
about mirroring her answers back to her. Yeah, that’s not hypnosis.
Riiiiiiiight.
Even the women in the audience look like they can’t believe the bullshit MINE’99 is spinning!
Let me ask you something, dear reader… for a man who claims to
teach other men how to influence women, why is it he can’t freakin’
influence Dr. Phil, a room full of women, and an entire television
audience?
BECAUSE HE’S FULL OF SHIT.
Always has been. And always will be.
Ross is a liar. He’s an insecure little dweeb. He’s a hateful,
spiteful person. He is incredibly selfish. He cares about no one
other than himself. He’s been teaching seduction for decades and is
still single. All his best students have moved on to different methods
of seduction. All his closest friends, allies and business partners
have deserted him.
You ever wonder why this is?
Simple: He’s a fake. And not only is he a fake, he’s a MEAN fake
no one likes. At least Tyler Durden is charismatic enough so people
overlook the fact he’s a raging sociopath. Ross can’t even be that
intelligent – even when he’s on national TV. He spends all his time
attacking and bad mouthing other people and can’t even fully describe
what it is he does.
This is the problem with MINE’99, and always has been. He focuses
so much on all the NEGATIVE stuff, he never comes across as likable or
sympathetic. If you ask me – he should be taking as many pick up
workshops as possible, because it’s obvious if he just got laid a few
times, he might chill out. But no, he keeps being the faker. The
insecure virgin. The loser he always has been.
Here’s my final word on the matter:
Men need to learn from people who can actually do what they say
they’ll do. They need teachers who aren’t more messed up than they
are. They need people who won’t lie to them and will treat them
honestly. They need guidance from experienced teachers.
Mystery Method is all of those things. Ross is none of them.
And this video proves that.
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” IMHO it’s alot better than hurting a woman’s ego in order to get her to do what she wants to do.”
Dude this is a bunch of horse shit. Saying something like this just shows a complete misunderstanding of what women deep down want to be able to feel.
Promoting blatant hypnotism and creepy patterns and then busting on general banter between a man and a woman which is greatly a part of the dynamic between a man and woman as “evil” is pure madness. RJ is a psycho and is the one who came up with this reframe. Do you see guys talking like RJ tells you to talk in the real world? Hell no. It’s cause it’s fuckin creepy.
Yet you can find tons of examples every day from naturals you hang out with or watch — from television — and from movies that are basically running some form of MM or David D.
There are certain types of people who are drawn to all of these methods, and some of them arn’t right in certain different ways. RJ’s followers are among the most screwy in general, in my opinion.
You say that general conversation that paints a picture and helps a woman to feel good emotions is exactly what SS is? Well that doesn’t seem to be what RJ thinks it is, so you should have a conversation with him. He thinks it is blatant manipulation and total egocentric forcefulness and maniacleness complete with special signs, allusions, and other shit that gives you a mental picture of a nerd leader going Muahahhaha inside a chemical basement with his pinky in his mouth.
This mans agenda’s never seem to be for any good and when he twists shit around to suit him most people can see through that.
Some concepts of painting pictures, of using someones imagination, making them feel things, NLP, and other things are great pieces of work and contributions to society and it comes down to those that use them. Fact is those things became to RJ what the atom bomb would become to Iran, or what power became to Hitler. Yes RJ I said it — what power became to HITLER. Take a look in the mirror buddy and see what you have become…do you truely like what you see? I hope not.
Is that the real Mack wild, or is another impersonator trying to make him sound like a crazy ignorant idiot?
There should be a FAQ file to deal with him. Or standard form letter refutations that it would only take seconds to tweak to his specific extrapolation of ignorance.
Thundercat, you should start a forum you bald fat bastard.
Promoting blatant hypnotism and creepy patterns and then busting on general banter between a man and a woman which is greatly a part of the dynamic between a man and woman as “evil” is pure madness.
Who said it was evil? I think you’re projecting a bit. I said “alot better.”
I’m not sure which techniques you are debating with me about;
I don’t have any problem with neg hits and the like, and I use them to tease sometimes when it’s appropriate. But the blowjob pattern is completely innocent conversation as well…unless your some kind of prude or say it in a Norman Bates tone with drool hanging from your lip. Women are sexual and they like men who aren’t afraid of being sensual, so what’s the problem you guys have with it?
What makes patterns and hypnotism creepy to you? My girlfriends sure don’t think so. Most of my guy friends don’t, either. But then again most of my guy friends are artists and musicians, not frat boys.
My mother teaches Ayur Vedic meditation (i.e. hypnotism) to cancer patients at the best hospital in South Georgia and sometimes reads Doshas and even does visualizations for fun at dinner parties with her upscale friends. Is that creepy?
“RJ is a psycho and is the one who came up with this reframe. Do you see guys talking like RJ tells you to talk in the real world? Hell no. It’s cause it’s fuckin creepy.”
You mean the exaggerated stuff on the MP3s that’s used for teaching?
“You mean the exaggerated stuff on the MP3s that’s used for teaching?”
I mean any of the direct instructions or routines he gives you. Most of them are not how a normal person talks by any stretch of imagination. I think it’s much better to just learn to paint a picture and communicate the emotion you want people to feel. Reciting some long winded and wierd routine is very strange to the logical part of the brain no matter what it is suppose to “accomplish”. It creeps people out.
Your mother does things for a living. People come to her to be put into a trance. That’s different. If you tell a girl you are going to practice something on her or hypnotise her or whatever than that’s different. She will understand that your being weird for a specific purpose.
Maybe even if there is some comfort there and she has responded to some of the emotions you have communicated, and later within the privacy of your home you bust out something more elaborate — it might be acceptable.
I challenge you to go ahead and write out any routine that is a paragraph in length on this forum right now. Print it out for all of us to see so everyone can see what your saying you say to women to “program” them, tell us what you do with your hands and, give us the whole picture. Then tell me how it is not creepy in 80 percent of the circumstances you will find yourself in with a new woman that you have just met.
Actually, many of the patterns model how *women* talk to themselves on the inside. I thought that was bullshit until I tried it out. First time I tried patterned language with a girl, I just tentatively introduced the theme, and then *she* enthusiastically launched into the pattern I had written almost word for word. (We’re both singer-songwriters, and the pattern I composed just described an ideal performing experience with a lot of “you just feel” commands, some ambiguous language, body sensations, shit like that.) I was shocked. Since then, I’ve noticed that a lot of girls really do think and feel and speak in pattern-like language if you get them to open up.
Same thing goes for the either/or patterns, the false dilemma. A lot of women, especially the quasi-philosophical ones, love that shit.
And the patterns involving colors and energy and body sensations and ecstasy… pure chick crack. And I like it too.
“Reciting some long winded and wierd routine is very strange to the logical part of the brain”
1. Women are primarily emotional, not logical.
2. SS is not ideally about reciting memorized patterns. That’s only for beginners who don’t understand the system. RJ and advanced SS guys don’t use canned patterns. (And remember that a huge part of Mystery’s method is about reciting routines that most guys find “long-winded and weird”. Jealous girlfriend—what guys talk that way? Fucking personality tests? ESP? Girl casting spells? Weird-ass girly shit.)
Tacrednuht your exactly right. Thanks for saving me the typing.
I haven’t ever had anyone become “creeped out” because of one of these patterns. Rather, women almost invariably are amazed that they’ve met a masculine man who can talk to them the way they’ve always wanted to be talked to, someone who understands the feminine mind and can evoke such sensual feelings from them just by a simple conversation.
Women are also usually more than willing to experience visualization and guided meditation (i.e. hypnosis).
“Your mother does things for a living. People come to her to be put into a trance. That’s different. If you tell a girl you are going to practice something on her or hypnotise her or whatever than that’s different. She will understand that your being weird for a specific purpose.”
I do things for a living too. As a journalist, I’ve researched hypnotists and meditation gurus for various publications. I also practice yoga and martial arts, so I’d be really wierd if I trained in those things and didn’t know meditation.
When I hypnotise ugly women because they saw me do it to their hot friends, do you really believe that the ug KNOWS I’m doing it for this “specific purpose” of which you speak? If she KNOWS that, then she’s deluded, because I don’t intend to have sex with any ugly women. It’s the same frame no matter who she is, I’ll guide them through a meditation if it’s something they are interested in and are open to it (most are). With the ones who are hot, who I might not say “no” to sex with (if she proves herself more than just a hot bod), then I might give her some awesome sensual/sexual feelings as a part of the guided meditation.
I’ll give you a little situation that happened two nights ago for your non-creepy example.
I walked into the corner bar and saw an HB8.5 talking to the owner, who’s a friend of mine. I talked to him first, telling him my band is OK for playing next weekend. Last week I had done handwriting analysis on his wife for fun, so I asked him how accurate I was. He told me I was dead on, yada yada, so of course the HB8.5 gets interested and wants hers done.
I sit by the HB and start doing the HW Analysis, spinning those creepy patterns off of each trait. The owner walked away because the HB had become intent on me alone and was no longer including him in the conversation. During this process, several chodes came up and tried to make fun or joke about HW Analysis, and I joked back with them. When they realized they weren’t going to seperate her from me, one of them wanted their’s done too. It didn’t take long for the chodes to fade away, but they walked away liking me and realizing that I’m the MAN even though I Smurfed them (thanks Tom and Kim).
So by this time I’m in deep rapport with the woman. I did some kino (drawing a letter on her back to explain the trait for liars, massaging her hand when I went to check her Dosha) and told her she was a Kappha Dosha and described what that meant with alot of creepy patterns tossed in. At this point one of the chodes came back and tried to interject with “I know Palm Reading” or something but she blew him off for me.
I told her I could show her an awesome visualization that I learned at a seminar, but it was too loud inside. So we walked out on the dock, sat down on a bench, and I did the ultra-creepy-wierdo Warmth Builder sequence. It’s a full hypnotic induction with creepy touching, if you want to know.
To make a long story short, I had kiss closed her by the night’s end and she had given me her number without being asked for it by the night’s end.
I’m just giving you this one because it happened recently and it’s somewhat fresh in my mind. But this is absolutely typical, and it often goes alot farther than that on the first introduction.
STYLE AND LISA BREAKUP!….what happened to his onetis
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FX2ZiBoMUZU talks about breakup at 9:02
IN HIS JUNE 3 COMMENT MACK SAID STICK YOUR THUMB UP YOUR ASS AND HAVE HER SMELL IT AND BLINK SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES….
LMFAO!!!!
IN HIS JUNE 3 COMMENT MACK SAID STICK YOUR THUMB UP YOUR ASS AND HAVE HER SMELL IT AND BLINK SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES….
LMFAO!!!!
This blog sucks just a little more everytime Goose38 posts.
I just find it rather satisfying that despite my challenge people still hesitate to post one of their long winded creepy little hypnotic love poem routines. lol.
Mack—read this, out loud, very slowly, vary quietly, to yourself:
I don’t know what’s been going on inside your head lately, Mack Wild. Perhaps you need
do some introspection. Perhaps you need to look deep down inside yourself…explore
very essence of who you are…and I don’t know if you’ll notice…just how empty you are, deep inside yourself…so alone, so lonely. And when you explore that place, you only find memories of your failures, frustrations and missed dreams. . . To the point where you ask yourself…this is it? This is what I’ve been living for? What an empty life! These things you do to me…your life in general…only amuse you, but they miserably fail to address that deep longing inside you…that deep, painful emptiness. That’s why you need to find someone to hurt. To go against.
Yeah Mack Wild. Take your own life…and ex.amine it. You might find yourself saying….This is it? This is all I have lived for? And you walk through life light…because you are walking empty. And likewise, realize just how empty and meaningless your actions have been… Now, I think you should go deep inside yourself and examine your own motives and realize that you are hurting yourself more than you are hurting me. It’s sad to see that you enjoy hurting yourself in such manner since you obviously got a thrill by cheating on me, but in reality, cheating yourself…out of a life….filled with joy and happiness.
Wonderful. Now i got some creepy SS guy trying to run some sort of pattern meant to ruin my life. This is HOW you guys get a bad name. Psycho’s.
No, Mack he was just giving you an example of pattern language like you asked for.
No one thinks it has the power to ruin your life; just think of it as a joke you don’t get. It might inspire you to think about yourself and seperate the person you’re trying to be from the person who could actually benefit from this stuff you read on the internet, but you’d have to go back and actually read it for that to work.
Incidentally, if you want verbatum creepy pattern language you can go to alt.seduction.fast and click on the lay guide. Most SS students use those patterns word for word with some success while they are learning to become a speed seducer. But based on the limiting beliefs which are apparent from your style of communication, you are going to fall flat on your face if you try to use them without first learning some SS principles themselves.
I thought it would be amusing to respond to Whack Child’s request for an example of a pattern with the one he obviously needs the most right now—the suicide pattern.
Come on, Mack. You know you want to do it, don’t you now? Try not to think about it.
Bizarre coincidence: I saw The Happening today (my present for my father was watching a movie with him, I almost never go to the movies), and I had no idea what it was about before I saw it. Weird.
Mack Wild, if you really do kill yourself… please, go to heaven.
time to chime in fellas, sorry if i offended anyone by laughing at mack-wild’s post making fun of SS’s hand gestures, i know that is pivotal to your game….. i know you need that crutch of thin veneer of game to hide the fact that your all a bunch of posters who spew nothing remotely entertaining and even less relevant material for the benefit of the community.
so when you virgins get Ross’s dick out of your mouths and actually go out and sarge shut the fuck up and actually read your posts to find out how stupid you guys really sound.
i can tell, goodgrief doesn’t get laid. susej doesnt even talk to humans let alone smell a pussy.
seduction maestro you actually had the balls to write that
“If you tell a girl you are going to practice something on her or hypnotise her or whatever than that’s different. She will understand that your being weird for a specific purpose.”
what a fucking dork!!
none of you responded to mack’s challenge and posted some results. you guys just flung a bunch of shit.
your a bunch pansies who probably could get laid if you actually learned that your attitude is what will get you laid.
not your big furry hat or your stupid hypnotizing nor your god awful openers.
i got into this community from an alpha point of view so to see a bunch of marys like yourselves hating against anyone who insults his “guru” seems like some weak beta shit and it makes you look like a bigger puss to gang on somebody who disagrees
you know how i got laid, i went out a whole lot and fucked up a whole lot. eventually you will learn what to and not to say.
so save your thousands of dollars on your workshops and your products that set you up to believe you finally have the missing link. if you actually were cool guys you wouldn’t talk crap like a couple kids on a playground
now get out and sarge you virgins or take the next couple of posts looking huge dorks.
time to chime in fellas, sorry if i offended anyone by laughing at mack-wild’s post making fun of SS’s hand gestures, i know that is pivotal to your game….. i know you need that crutch of thin veneer of game to hide the fact that your all a bunch of posters who spew nothing remotely entertaining and even less relevant material for the benefit of the community.
so when you virgins get Ross’s dick out of your mouths and actually go out and sarge shut the fuck up and actually read your posts to find out how stupid you guys really sound.
i can tell, goodgrief doesn’t get laid. susej doesnt even talk to humans let alone smell a pussy.
seduction maestro you actually had the balls to write that
“If you tell a girl you are going to practice something on her or hypnotise her or whatever than that’s different. She will understand that your being weird for a specific purpose.”
what a fucking dork!!
none of you responded to mack’s challenge and posted some results. you guys just flung a bunch of shit.
your a bunch pansies who probably could get laid if you actually learned that your attitude is what will get you laid.
not your big furry hat or your stupid hypnotizing nor your god awful openers.
i got into this community from an alpha point of view so to see a bunch of marys like yourselves hating against anyone who insults his “guru” seems like some weak beta shit and it makes you look like a bigger puss to gang on somebody who disagrees
you know how i got laid, i went out a whole lot and fucked up a whole lot. eventually you will learn what to and not to say.
so save your thousands of dollars on your workshops and your products that set you up to believe you finally have the missing link. if you actually were cool guys you wouldn’t talk crap like a couple kids on a playground
now get out and sarge you virgins or take the next couple of posts looking huge dorks.
Hey, Goose38- since you obviously failed reading comprehension let me break it down for your stunted mind.
‘”If you tell a girl you are going to practice something on her or hypnotise her or whatever than that’s different. She will understand that your being weird for a specific purpose.”
what a fucking dork!!’
Um- dumbass- Mackwild said that, not me. I was quoting him. Read the whole fucking post you dillweed!
“none of you responded to mack’s challenge and posted some results. you guys just flung a bunch of shit.”
Um…yes I did. Scroll up, I posted a recent sarge. If you would like to see more Lay reports from me they are archived on the SS list under Joseph. Now, I don’t see the purpose of rewriting a pattern for Mr. Mack as most of them can be found for free on the alt.seduction.fast site.
And there are plenty of successful lay reports from SS guys on the forums there, as well. It’s downright silly to ask for lay reports from an SSer when they are all over the internet and all over Ross’s testimonials page for anyone to easily find.
From your closed-minded attitude I suspect that you act alpha and go up to hundreds of girls, and every once in a while you don’t get rejected and think “Wow I’m alpha.”
Well everyone gets lucky every once in a while if you have the balls to try.
If you master SS (which few do) you will have a 100% success rate, and you’ll be the one selecting and rejecting.
sorry dude if your using SS once alone and in a seduction setting, you are gonna get laid as long as you dont fuck up period!
—-I will not knock the science of nlp but using ss from the get go is just creepy and as you start you are filtering the women who would eventually reject you. so of course you can call it 100%success
but if your using a bunch of lines and routines and some guy comes along and just starts chatting your girl up,if you are not as fun as the new guy kiss your set goodbye.
and you know it!
i don’t hate SS i just find it odd that people fight over whats the best when its like a car show with hundreds of cars to choose from and they all work for different people. its like the RSD nuts that dismiss anything outside of the word of Tyler’s mouth
— so the saying goes, use what works for you and disregard what doesn’t. it is not rocket science!!!!!
hello!I like your blog and the article..you’re right Dr. phil is for pussy’s!
I have a blog to: personalresource.blogspot.com
Hey Goose I’m not knocking other seduction styles I’m just defending the one that I personally know works well.
I’ve read the first David D. book, and I use some of the stuff out of it from time to time, but from what I know about women, just what David D. teaches alone isn’t going to make you as sucsexful as mastery of the seduction system that I have grown to enjoy. Sure, it’s easier and it works to a certain degree, but how powerful is it alone?
Now, if you get one of his video courses you might have near-equal sucsex, because he has alot of EX-SSers supplementing his limited knowledge at the seminars.
I haven’t gotten into MM enough to know how powerful it is, but I do use some of the stuff I find on Cliff’s List if I happen to like it.And I can’t really speak for RSD, although I’ve seen snippets that show basic understandings (about the level of the first DYD book or Ross’s first book).
The problem is, “if it aint broke why fix it?” Sure I’ll peruse little things these guys give away for free, but I don’t need another expensive study course. With who I am now, the “next guy,” as you call him, hasn’t been more interesting yet.
Second of all, I disagree with your statement about NLP being creepy if you use it from the get-go. In a sense, you’re using NLP from the get-go whether you like it or not. What you say and your physiology are important, and NLP was discovered not invented.
I have introduced myself as a Blissnotist and gone straight into an example induction and gotten laid as a result, to give an extreme example.
And btw I’m not screening them out by whether or not they think NLP is creepy, I’m screening them out by estimated time involved, perceived desire/neediness, general attitude, and capacity for imagination, and a few other things.
As the Chetinator said to me at an SS Seminar over lunch:
They all want me, some of them just don’t know it yet.
And….
Women are basically horny.
I would comment further — but Im too busy trying to comitt suicide to bother.
I used speed seduction on my neighbors cat. It worked well.
What is it… 1994?
“It’s over Johnny…”
See, Mock, the patterns only work if you’re smart enough to kill yourself.
As Major Mark ssays: “We don’t *try* things. We *do* things.”
Now kill yourself, bitch!
Ok, that was the “alpha male” method… WWRSDD?
ha ha ha – he he he – hoo hoo hoo… Seduction Maestro wins the award for tool of the year. But he’s so ensnared by the SS cult, he’ll never acknowledge it. Poor little brainwashed RJ drone. Sad!
He calls himself a journalist yet his writing is stiff and nerdy… and he’s got the grammar and spelling of a nine year old.
But his writing style isn’t what interests me; it’s his devotion to snake oil.
No one has any interest looking your lame FR reports on the SS list. Although the one you posted was amusing – especially because you expect us to be impressed.
Instead of talking to the girl like a fucking normal man and then turning it sexual, you used a dumb fuck crutch to talk to her – hand writing analysis. Pathetic!
Aw – and you got a kiss. How sweet. Girls kiss guys all the time they’d never fuck. When is the last time you had intercourse, dude?
FYI, your little master RJ is so desperate for pussy, he hires black hookers.
“ha ha – he he he – hoo hoo hoo… Seduction Maestro wins the award for tool of the year. But he’s so ensnared by the SS cult, he’ll never acknowledge it. Poor little brainwashed RJ drone”
And RSD isn’t cult like? Jesus H Christ on a solar powered hover craft! Look at a picture posted a while ago with all the RSSD instructors together…most adopted TD’s long hair styles. They use their own lingo…chode=afc, lord=sarge
not only that, much of what they do has the
same intent of SS concepts. for instance, in RSD they talk of getting in the “bubble “with club hottie…why ? to “Build an environment where the rest of the world just disappears”
or how about “self amusement”? Look back at an old thunderkitten blog when he was out with Rick H. what does he mention about Rick H (another guy who studied SS) ? “self amusement”..rick h would poke fun at hb’s, at life etc.
If you want to learn natural, then study RSD. A good method might combne the brute sexuality if RSD with the verbal finesse of SS…you could call it RSSD…..
I was wondering, do RSD “Interns” wear cute little name badges or stylish tee shirts?
“And RSD isn’t cult like? Jesus H Christ on a solar powered hover craft! Look at a picture posted a while ago with all the RSSD instructors together…most adopted TD’s long hair styles. They use their own lingo…chode=afc, lord=sarge”
I totally agree with you. similar to SS, RSD is very cult like.
I don’t expect you to be impressed, bravado guy. SS works for me, and handwriting analysis is fun. I’m sorry if that bothers you. It’s true I’m knocking off the rust after a 4 year lotr that ended a couple months ago, but I’m glad to see that SS still works after all this time.
And I don’t expect you to be impressed by my little story. I apologize to your caveman ass that out of the four HBs I’ve bothered to sarge since the breakup, I’ve only F closed one on the first night. I’m not a horny toad that has to go out and spew his jizz every night to prove something, and I don’t have to sarge new women to get laid. I’ve plenty of old friends, little junior.
If it makes you feel good criticizing schools that help men get what they want out of life, then I suppose you just want it to be like it used to be, before the creepy nerds started stealing your jerk prospects. Too bad, dude. I like the way I communicate with women, and they like it too, so I’m going to keep stealing them from you THIS way.
I don’t need to committ suicide. All I have to do is read Seduction Maestro’s post and die from laughter. You know I have been going out to bars and clubs now for almost 10 years — and I have yet to see ANYONE pick up in these venues with anything resembling SS the way RJ teaches it.
How do you know how RJ teaches it? What seminar did you go to? What seminar do you have on video?
I have been going to bars for 17 years myself, and have never SEEN anyone pick up a girl using SS in a bar, either…except for me, of course. In fact I’ve never seen anyone even using HW analysis, much less SS. Only time I’ve ever seen another GOOD SSer in action was in Atlanta when Ross gave me a free seminar for a field report on the list. I saw plenty that weekend, but it wasn’t in bars. I also saw utter nerds who were deathly afraid of women and who I thought could never get laid no matter how much technique they new approach women and get phone numbers or kisses after just a few minutes of inner game change work by Ross or Tom and Kim.
You know why I haven’t seen any SSers other than at an event? SS has only about 2000 active students worldwide, and I’d imagine that little more than half have mastered it. It isn’t as easy as donning the attitudes of a jerk and settling for the percentage of women who go for that.
Anyway, it is great that there are other less effective seduction systems out there, and it’s great that they are gaining so much popularity, because it will insure that I won’t be seeing any master SSers in my neck of the woods for a long time. The guys from the other schools I can handle. In south Georgia at least, their jadedness keeps going up while my perceived originality keeps going up along side it. If I were in LA I might be ever so slightly worried that a woman had had her HW analized before me, or that she might have heard the IC pattern before. I live in a paradise for an SSer right now- I have yet to even experience even serious competition from a rival school’s PUA. If natural PUA is so effective and so easy for you guys, how come there’s not a single one in South Georgia? %100 of these guys get blown out with little effort from me, and it’s laughable. In fact the woman is usually so interested in me that she blows them out for me. The only defense these Southern AFCs ever have is the threat of violence, and that’s laughable, too, considering my size and training.
My final weigh in on this matter:
“How do you know how RJ teaches it? What seminar did you go to? What seminar do you have on video?”
Unfortunately I am not a seminar junkie, because those are for people who don’t get laid or have a clue and who worship men — However — As I previously mentioned I have had SS wings before AND I know what RJ teaches because I have connections.
I have also read The Game. A lot of my wings showed me stuff. I had a very hard time to keep a straight face and not bust out in laughter. Personally I think RJ is so twisted and egotistical and messed up in the head that he overdoes some of the dramatics for his delivery just to get his rocks off to the idea that guys are actually DOING this weird shit he tells them to do.
I am very knowledgable in NLP, I have a program on NLP. I also do guided hypnosis, I adore Hypnotica. My problem is exclusively with RJ’s interpretation and his poor misled followers.
“I also saw utter nerds who were deathly afraid of women and who I thought could never get laid no matter how much technique they new approach women and get phone numbers or kisses after just a few minutes of inner game change work by Ross or Tom and Kim.”
Ok first of all it is not hard for anyone to get a number or a kiss within seconds or minutes in these venues EVEN IF you are a nerd — IF — you follow instructions. It means nothing though, because at the end of the day your still a nerd. At least schools like MM are actually teaching you how to be a cool value giving person with a sense of humor — even though some noobs dont see that right off. At least RSD is teaching people how to be men — or at least funny boys that show some manlike characteristics here and there.
An SS is a nerd trying to use a silly tactic to get into a girls pants and taking these silly tactics to the extreme instead of to the natural flow of conversation by choosing to learn from RJ, who takes a usable idea and turns it into chaos, bitterness, egotism, and all the other things that he turns things into because if you look up douchbag creep in the dictionary Ross is right there next to it.
“You know why I haven’t seen any SSers other than at an event? SS has only about 2000 active students worldwide, and I’d imagine that little more than half have mastered it. It isn’t as easy as donning the attitudes of a jerk and settling for the percentage of women who go for that.”
This is all a bunch of bull.
“Anyway, it is great that there are other less effective seduction systems out there, and it’s great that they are gaining so much popularity, because it will insure that I won’t be seeing any master SSers in my neck of the woods for a long time”
Im sure the women are very thankful. lol.
“If natural PUA is so effective and so easy for you guys, how come there’s not a single one in South Georgia? %100 of these guys get blown out with little effort from me, and it’s laughable. In fact the woman is usually so interested in me that she blows them out for me. The only defense these Southern AFCs ever have is the threat of violence, and that’s laughable, too, considering my size and training.”
I will just say that you seem to contradict your success throughout your posts, not really sure how much success your really having but I can tell you that it is not based on RJ’s routines and idea’s if you are having success. It’s based on the fact you live in the deep south where lovey dovey relationships are held at a high premium — and based on some other things about yourself besides the SS that is working for you. The SS just got you out there and interacting with the girls, and you have probably learned how to naturally be a guy who triggers their imagination, which is a far cry from what ross teaches even though he repeatably tries to say that that is the goal. However if he were to really tell you the usable concepts of what he overcomplicates and twists and turns evil — he would tell you that it’s as simple as knowing how to enact a womans imagination and paint a picture at various times. Pretty simple.
Interpretation of Mack’s post:
“I understand that SS works for certain people, I just want to project a negative interpretation as to ‘why’ it works because I don’t like RJ personally.”
If you want to believe that I could have learned how to talk sensually and sexually to women without SS, or conversely that doing so isn’t part of what attracts them to me, then that is fine with me. If you want to think that I could have overcome AA 5 years ago without NLP, well maybe you’re right; in my line of work, I can draw a floor plan OR program it into my PC, so i have no problem with that either. And if you think that giving women cool visualization samples that make them feel good and then taking them away doesn’t get these women intrigued, then I guess it’s your right to misunderstand.
On another note (not directed at you, Mack), there sure are alot of frat mentality guys in the community since I’ve been away. What’s the matter? Luck not working as well as it used to, or is it the popularity of Neil’s book and the VH1 specials?
“You know why I haven’t seen any SSers other than at an event? SS has only about 2000 active students worldwide,’
That’s it? I thought there were more
I think that figure comes from number of subscribers to the SS List. There are probably more who aren’t subscribed anymore or who never subscribed. But you gotta think that many SSers aren’t practicing it anymore because they got married or are in a LTR, and there are many more who might even be on the SS list but don’t practice it because they never got over their fear of rejection. For some people it takes more than Inner Game and Beyond Confidence to get over a lifetime of limiting beliefs and self-hate.
Also, there are alot of guys who use the SS they can get for free off the net along with other stuff, but aren’t really SS students per say.
The reason I’m calling these guys on their BS and their ignorance of the art form is because I know that there are alot of kids just on the brink of getting it, and making SS work for them to the betterment of their lives. The last thing they need is some close-minded frat sheeple putting doubt in their minds. And there are alot of people who DYD and RSD just isn’t going to help, and they need something more powerful. It would be a shame if they got turned off to something that would actually help them, and help women too.
Savoy and the Don are dissappointing to me. Its like these guys are dying to be famous. They exposed all the PUA tricks to girls. Now, PUAs have to come up with new strategies to get around girls. WTF were they thinking for christ sake. They went to Dr.Phil to advertise themselves and reveal tricks that should be put in a book. They want to boost their ego.
Ross Jefferies should just retire and forget about teaching pickup instead of going to Dr.Phil. Mystery didn’t expose PUA tricks on his VH1 show “The Pick-up Artist”. Some PUAs out there are craving for an ego boost. The PU society used to be a secret and thats what made their strategies to work. But now, most girls know the tricks that guys use and thats why most of the guys that attend seminars complain that the methods they taught them are not working anymore on girls. By 2015, the PU society will probably be useless after many girls have been exposed to their strategies.
If anyone wants to see the quality of my teaching, go here:
http://www.speedseduction.biz/blog/
I have a new 12 part FREE video course on SS up on my Youtube
channel, and this video is the first of the course that I have redone
with annotations and notes included as text embedded in the video.
RJ
Extramask from The Game (aka 26, Barry Kirkey is his real name) has a radio podcast every morning called “The Barry Kirkey Radio Show” where he talks about the PUA community in general. He has no problem giving an opinion on every single guy out there and ripping on him, if he thinks he deserves it. The show is pretty funny and entertaining. Take a look at it here:
http://www.revolution31.com/blog/
This whole drama is just one of the many examples of the immaturity of these men. They call themselves ‘Gurus’? Please.
Grow up as a person first, then contribute. Like Adam said, a positive person – with solid inner peace – is too busy to focus to validate himself to something he/she calls negative.
Daniel from http://www.pualifestyle.com/forum
“Extramask from The Game (aka 26, Barry “Kirkey is his real name) has a radio podcast every morning called “The Barry Kirkey Radio Show” where he talks about the PUA community in general. He has no problem giving an opinion on every single guy out there and ripping on him, if he thinks he deserves it. The show is pretty funny and entertaining. Take a look at it here: ‘”
Just as I thought..they are all dicks…with STYE being just another ….get him in a headlock and polish that lil’ bald head!!!!!!!!!!
No One Is Innocent!!!!!
Ok. I will assume that the MM and Ross Jeff. went to Dr.Phil’s show to market their products and they saw it as a way to get guys to attend their bootcamps. But instead, Dr.Phil turned things around. The topic changed to “HOW TO BE AWARE OF PUAs” instead of “HOW TO BE LIKE A PUA”. Ross, Don and Savoy were all shocked at the end of the show.
One more thing. I like Ross Jeff but I’m just pissed at the place where he choose to talk about his techniques. Dr.Phil’s show is for females. Dr.Phil will always support the women instead of market your products for you. I hope the MM and Ross thought of this before attending the show. Now, everything backfired on these guys. I bet you that Neil Strauss is smart and will never accept an invitation to a show like that because he is aware of the type of things Dr.Phil will say. Dr.Phil knows that most of his viewers are females and he will surely never say on his show that “Try this techniques for seducing women”. Thats gonna offend his viewers(women).
Look guys the fact is this. There are some things that you can find in this community that may be able to help you and many more that will probably hurt you.
Truth is that most of these “guru’s” are in this business because it is making money. All you have to do is promise guys magical pussy teaching abilities and they are ready to listen. Then you can convince them to take a bootcamp when things dont turn out as you plan, or release a new product that is the “answer” to your problems or an “evolution” of the method — you know — so that it will work better.
This shit is dirty and sleezy and expensive these days. Most of it is set up to sprinkle just enough gold to keep you hooked but give just enough bad advice to keep you buying more products. Think about it — are you going to go to a bootcamp if your getting laid well? Hell no. Why would you.
They dangle the carrot under your nose and show a lack of respect for your intelligence because they realize that anyone with true intelligence wouldnt fall for this shit. Most of these guys are selling stuff that they dont even believe in and have a lack of respect in YOU for believing in. Deep down a lot of these gurus laugh at you guys. They are like “what a bunch of losers”. They are happy to expose your ignorance. These guys know just like everyone else that there is no magic bullet and that often the more simple things are the things that work.
Getting involved with a lot of these guru’s is like selling your soal to the devil. If you have a really good head on your shoulders and some really good things going for you then just getting out there and exposed to more women will skyrocket you to success — and you can go on thinking that the guru’s made it happen for you when all they really did is sell you a sugar pill for confidence.
That’s all a lot of this stuff is — a sugar pill for guys who cant believe in themselves and must find something outside of themselves to believe in. Unfortunately a lot of advice given is easily miscalibrated and often out of context or inappropriate for many circumstances so these guys who get “geeked” out on theory end up in a huge hole — they end up worse then they were when they got here — and for those that already have some natural skills with women? Be careful because if you take this stuff too seriously it will ruin your game.
There are good people in the community and there are good tips. The problem is that even the good people tend to reuse old questionable theories — no one in the community is totally free from being suseptible to the many ways the community can mess you up in the head a bit. WIth many of these guru’s the idea is all or nothing. Remember that.
Oh and why do they go on Dr phil? Why do they do reality tv shows? Why will there be a movie????
This is a money making industry now. People are taking advantage of some societal problems to make money. The growing rift between men and woman is a very marketable thing to expose. Playing on a bitter mans emotions because he just went through a long hard divorse — is profitable.
It doesnt matter if it’s bad press and they dont care about you or the women that see it or whether you get laid or not guys. They care about growing their business. It can be controversial, they can be made out like scum bags. They know it doesnt matter. All that matters is for them to show confidence in the fact that they can teach you to get pussy at your fingertips 24/7. Even though there is no magic bullet — if they can get you to believe that there is — then they can get your money … even if you find the guru himself to be a douchbag. That’s why RJ is still in business guys. Think about it….
Im not sayin you cant get good with women and cant find good tidbits but you really really need to be aware of this stuff, keep aware of yourself, don’t lose sight of who you are, go after things in your life and have priorities outside of this, keep your soul and identity. Be fucking careful not to get sucked into this bs. That’s what I am trying to tell you.
Peace out.
I don’t think you guys need to worry about Dr. Phil giving all of your secrets away. How many true hotties watch every friggin’ episode of Dr. Phil? Are they going to memorize every routine explained and make all their friends memorize them? Even if they were to memorize them, most good players customize the routines into their own anyway, so they most likely won’t ever realize it.
If there were a Dr. Phil show called “Men Beware: ugly women are trying to seduce you- learn to see the signs!” would you memorize every belief and technique because you are so friggin’ scared that an ugly woman might get in your pants?
You guys perceive RJ as attacking people, but I have only seen him attack people who were teaching clueless or destructive shit, or people who were criticizing techniques that we know to work. He is truly dedicated to his students, and even during the loss of a family member takes time to coach the ones who are having trouble.
As for making money, for some of these teachers it’s a full time job. If they don’t get paid, how are they going to spend a lifetime doing nothing but testing this stuff out for us?
To gain the knowledge I have from them on my own, I’d have to have spent a lifetime approaching and sarging instead of a few sets every weekend.
And Mack, please go get laid. Or if you’re happy with trusting luck to get some every few months, with whatever girl it is instead of the HB10 you want, so be it! We’ve got a better way, and the panties on the bedpost tell us it works, not your clueless criticisms.
As for your other comments, I’m a tad more afraid of young men getting exposed to crystal meth or crack than I am about them getting damaged by the PA communitty. Worst that could happen is they get roped into Tyler and become a dick instead of a sensuous, interesting human being.
Recently I took a RSD ws. It was a great experience. Whilst on the ws, our instructor pulled a women into the bathroom for a snog. The next night he pulled another hottie back to the hotel room bathroom for a repeat performance . even met an hb on the street and pulled her back to a hostel.
I myself, had one hb back to my hotel as well. All it took was nimbus and leading. No scripted nonsense. I suggest everyone stdt Natural Tim and watch the new RSD commercial. They are the real deal,. This is all women really want, a man that dominates and throws them down for a good hammering. Go to the RSD forum to see more field reports of this.
Maestro (RJ’s alter ego) there is no need to resort to badgering man.
I asked you to give examples to these folks of the kind of things you do and that you promote above and beyond systems that teach social intelligence (MM) or systems that teach you to become an alpha male (RSD). I wanted people to see the stuff you do and say that you claim to be more effective and accepted than the things these other guys teach. Instead you told me some story that made you appear fascinated that you were able to keep a girls attention and get her number (and a kiss — cant remember if she kissed you or not — then again it doesnt matter.)
The biggest part of being in this community is learning what teaches you what.
Rsd just came on to advertise and yes they can teach you the kind of behaviors that will lead to you pulling out of a club, but what they dont tell you is that if you dont already have social intelligence down, and know how to deal with caveats and curveballs, and you dont know how to properly display yourself — your going to have a low percentage and risk becoming a social reject in places. Rsd these days is teaching Gunwitch method on steroids basically.
In my opinion there are two different ways a guy can go if he wants to get good with girls. If he is a descent nice guy hoping to find something meaningful some day and he is looking for an effective way to have girls in his life that is not ego based I recommend (as I have before) Hypnotica’s work and also people like Juggler or other down to earth dating coaches like Mack Tactics or Louis and copeland. The teachings seem AFC if you have taken a look at more ego based teachings but you wont be average. You will be the guy that all girls want to date, and as long as you stay congruent you will end up having sex with them at the same rate as these other methods. Why? You will make MORE friends and have MORE options. You will have a higher LJBF ratio but more social options and you will get just as much pussy. The more ego based learnings can lead to great situations as well but bring their own share of drawbacks — like being ostra-sized from certain environments or social groups. You just stand out way too much and it brings a whole host of issues.
The second option you have of course is the ego based learnings. If you want to learn how to be totally tight with your game and your social intelligence the Mystery method people are the best to learn from. Dont get caught up in the nerdyness of it or over-analyzing. Instead go on one of the forums and find yourself a mentor or two that has a balanced and natural type comprehension of the method and learn from them. MM is misunderstood. What it is really about is learning how to project yourself in a favorable way to others and come off socially intelligent. Some feel it is fake because they are not socially intelligent — but in time and internalization you will be — as long as you avoid the robot trap.
I really enjoyed that show. Dr. Phil really put Jeffries up against the wall (no, not in that sense perv!). All in all I think the Mystery Method guys presented themselves far better and seemed much more likeable than Jeffries.
Definately man.
All someone really needs to do is to check out the dr. phil show. They don’t even need to read what Style says about Jeffries in the game. They don’t even need to try to find the patience to sit through one of Jeffries teleseminars with his countless jokes in bad taste and miscalibrated personality.
Check out the Dr. Phil show and make your decision on who you would rather have as your mentor. For me the choice is pretty obvious, for others for whatever reason — it may not be. Nuff said.