Dr. Phil Bitch Slaps Ross Jeffries – Have Video Proof
April 22, 2008 by Thundercat
Filed under Rants & Reviews
Ha ha ha – he he he – hoo hoo hoo…
Ah, where to begin…
First of all – why the hell would any of these guys go on Dr. Phil in the first place? Do you know any GUYS who watch Dr. Phil? (Well, STRAIGHT guys?) I certainly don’t. Dr. Phil’s audience is WOMEN. So why bother wasting time pitching your seduction business to a bunch of chicks if you aren’t teaching them how to get men? Snarf.
Okay, all that aside though – I thought the Mystery Method guys came off very well in this show. They were cool, calm, collected and walked that fine line between being "politically correct" and honest about what they teach. Fact is, Mystery Method DOES work on women. It is effective. That’s why it’s taken off the way it has.
Now, whatever you feel about Savoy and the current state of Mystery Method, post-Mystery, is immaterial to this show. Sure, I would like it if Mystery was still in charge of the Mystery Method name, but that doesn’t mean these guys aren’t offering value to other men by teaching what they are. (Plus, there’s a lot of behind the scenes stuff about the meltdown over at Mystery Method I won’t be sharing here, since I’ve been sworn to secrecy not to reveal it.)
So now that we’ve got Mystery Method out of the way, let’s get to the real mean and potatoes of this.
Ross "MINE’99" Jeffries.
And boy oh boy, was MINE’99 channeling all his evil, selfish, hypocritical energies in this episode! Wow. I knew MINE’99 was delusional, but the extent of his warped reality has only gotten worse with age. Maybe his horrible friz-fro is somehow affecting his brain in the same way an alien parasite would? Who knows.
Anyway, back to the show…
First off MINE’99 proudly proclaims that he is the "father" of the
seduction community. Though he did start the online newsgroups, I want
to officially amend this title to the "mentally-off creepy uncle who
likes to molest you when he gets drunk" of the seduction community,
since that is probably a more accurate statement of his real role in
it’s birth and development.
He says he wants to give men a way to get women without
participating in the four "B"s – Bullying, Begging, Buying, and Booze.
Which doesn’t make any sense since it’s obvious MINE’99 would never get
any female attention without partaking in all of those things he just
mentioned. But regardless, he left out the fifth "B" which is
BULLSHIT. Or maybe not, since Speed Seduction is exactly that.
Moving on…
Then he starts talking about the "Dark Side" of seduction. He goes on to say:
There
are people in this community who are teaching methods and tactics that
I think women should definitely be aware of. There are people who are
teaching some very sick and twisted stuff. And I do sort-of feel like
Dr. Frankenstein, I’ve given birth to a monster. There’s 10,000
bastard children of mine running around and I sort-of feel like its a
responsibility of mine to clean it up. I would like to put them out of
business if I could. Had I not started this, they wouldn’t have been
around.
Honestly, I’m surprised he didn’t finish with "IN 1999!!!!!!" *dum dum duuuuuum!*
Yes, MINE’99′s ego has not diminished along with his looks, age, and
penis size. He has become even MORE egomaniacal as he’s become more
and more irrelevant.
MINE’99 was the FATHER of teaching sick and twisted ways to seduce
women! His entire BUSINESS is based on it! And he acts like he’s the
one who spawned all the lame-ass copy cats.
News Flash: No one is ripping off Speed Seduction because it
SUCKS. If anyone can claim to have a billion bastard kids running
around perverting his teachings for their own gain, it’s MYSTERY since
almost every workshop business in existence is teaching what is
essentially his stuff!
I love how MINE’99 is acting like a crusader wanting to "put people
out of business if he could." Didn’t he try and destroy David DeAngelo
for years? Didn’t he launch a crusade targeting Mystery which ended in
death threats? Has he not tried to shut this very blog down numerous
times by sending me threating BS legal letters?
This is a guy who is SO insecure, he even brings his lawyer with him
to Neil Strauss’s book signings in case anyone bad-mouths him. Ross
still yearns for the good old days when he was the only game in town.
And honestly, if it wasn’t for Neil swooping in and making him part of
his Stylelife business, he’d probably have gone under a while ago
himself.
The fact is: Ross doesn’t GIVE A SHIT about helping other guys or
saving the seduction community from the "rip off artists." He just
hates the competition which has all but sunk his business and forcing
him to go on shows like Dr. Phil to drum up business. He only cares
about his EGO, which is what ultimately drives the man.
Notice how MINE’99 dodges the question when Dr. Phil asks him "How
successful have you been at this from a business standpoint?" Fact is,
last time he was successful was a DECADE ago. His business is all but
treading water at the moment because not only does his stuff suck, but
his former business partner is running a competing business selling the
SAME FREAKIN’ CRAPPY PRODUCTS. But MINE’99 turns it around using his
ninja MindLines skills and says "I’ve certainly been VERY influential."
Yeah, right.
Influential in the respect that you have taught men around the world what NOT to do if they want to get a chick. Obviously.
Next is where the interview gets REALLY good.
So Dr. Phil asks "Have you been on the sleazy side of this, and now
you don’t like the direction its taken?" To which MINE’99 completely
lies through his freakin’ crooked teeth.
"What
disturbs me is that the other schools that have cropped up rely a lot
on invalidation, on making women doubt their attractiveness, on
techniques that make women uncertain of whether they are being
complimented or insulted. They’re digging into people’s LOWEST
emotions – their fears, their insecurities, and I don’t think that’s a
valid way to attract someone AT ALL."
Ah… so
sayeth the man who who created the BLOWJOB PATTERN. This is a guy who
would not only teach people how to anchor bad, evil, feelings of loss
and abandonment to doors to keep women from breaking up with you – but
he would REVEL in it. This is a guy who would share with people how to
hypnotically regress women back to childhood and mess with their sexual
development and identity in order to get laid. This is a guy who
actually ENCOURAGED men to walk up to women and say "My name is Manny
The Martian. What is your favorite flavored bowling ball?"
The whole concept behind Speed Seduction was using hypnosis to
completely take away a woman’s free will and make her do everything you
wanted, which essentially would turn her into a hypno-slave. That’s
the marketing, that’s the concept, that’s what he tries to teach people.
And now here he is badmouthing the very stuff he encouraged for
YEARS, until his "sudden" turn around into a "good guy" last year when
he was desperate to save his business and had to mend some fences.
Lame.
And you know the best part about this interview? It’s when MINE’99
starts getting defensive with Dr. Phil and tries to lecture to the
guy. Now, I’m certainly no fan of Dr. Phil, but ya gotta respect a guy
who smacks down MINE’99s bullshit when he starts shoveling it out.
Then, to make matters better, when Dr. Phil tries to peg him as a
sleazbag by teaching men how to get laid, MINE’99 tries to defend
himself by saying his marketing for his stuff is MISLEADING, and it
doesn’t really help guys get laid.
Ha ha ha ha ha…
He might as well have just said "I gotta lie about my shit because otherwise NO ONE WOULD BUY IT!"
He then goes on to defend his Get Laid newsletter by saying "I wrote
that in 1993!" (Wow, six years before 1999 – guess that stuff sucks
even worse, huh?)
So not only is his stuff misleading and ineffective, it hasn’t been
updated in 15 years. I don’t know about you, but what I was doing to
get chicks 15 years ago has changed dramatically to what works for me
today. Way to stay current Rossy-boy.
Misleading, ineffective, AND outdated. Yay! Don’t you just want to go out and buy Speed Seduction right now???
Then Dr. Phil accuses MINE’99 of being a pimp. Dr. Phil got this
one wrong. People pay Pimps to get laid. People pay Ross to learn how
to stay at home and masturbate more. I’ve seen Hustle & Flow.
That guy was a pimp. You, MINE’99 are certainly no Pimp.
Then Ross goes on the ATTACK. He starts bad mouthing the MM boys by saying:
"There’s
a lot these guys do that they didn’t talk to you about that’s actually
really kind-of nasty. One of the things they rely on doing is flipping
women back and forth between feeling like they are being approved of,
and feeling they are being criticized. They do something called
Push-Pull, where they give the woman a little attention, and they’ll
pull it away so she doubts whether they’re attracted to her or not.
They use a lot of invalidation, the theory being that if you invalidate
a woman, she’ll have sex with you to prove her attractiveness. There’s
a lot of that going on."
At this point, Nick Savoy
says that this isn’t true. And you know what? It’s NOT!!! Swinggcat
(Speed Seductions former top student) was the one who pioneered the
Push-Pull theory. I don’t recall Mystery Method ever using that stuff
- even if they say they do, it’s not true Push-Pull the way it was
initially conceived.
And the humorous thing here is that what Ross describes is something
Speed Seduction teaches – only in a lot less effective way – by using
fractionation and anchoring and submodalities. He is basically
criticizing everything he teaches himself right here! Unreal.
But oh, it gets better…
"What they said about it
not being canned routines is ridiculous. They use huge amounts of
canned routines. When they ask your opinion, they don’t really care.
In fact, they’ll interrupt you when you try and give it and go on to
finish the routine."
Wow, this coming from a guy
whose entire SEDUCTION SYSTEM is about memorizing canned hypnotic
patterns and vomiting them back up with every girl you meet. In order
for Speed Seduction to even be remotely effective, you’ve got to
memorize like 300 of these suckers. And do you honestly think MINE’99
gives a fuck if a girl has ever really watched that roller coaster
documentary on the discovery channel? Do you think he CARES what she
really felt like when she was a little girl discovering her Christmas
presents?
Honestly, this is hypocracy at it’s best.
This is even illustrated further when MINE’99 explains what he
"teaches," and then Dr. Phil says "But that’s not the way you sell it
on your website." To which MINE’99 responds "No, absolutely not."
Let me repeat that in a different way:
MINE’99 DOES NOT ACTUALLY DELIVER WHAT HE PROMISES TO SELL YOU.
He even admits it on national TV.
And then the girls chime in. They even say the Mystery Method guys
are trying to do what Ross says is the "right way" to pick up women,
but that they’re doing it in a "Better Fashion."
Translation: Ross’s shit don’t work. MM’s shit does.
Another girls says it’s creeping her out.
Translation: Ross is creepy. His teachings are creepy. Therefore, she is creeped out.
Then the final girl says she never wants to go to a bar never
again. Someone should warn her that MINE’99 and his students don’t go
to bars, so that’s probably the SAFEST place to be.
And finally – Ross completely DENIES that he teaches hypnosis! They lying continues…
That
is a complete mistake. All elements of strong human emotion have a
hypnotic aspect to them because they are taking place subconsciously.
So
wait a minute… MINE’99 doesn’t really teach hypnosis? No more NLP
based material? No weasel phrases? No Blowjob patterns? He must have
completely dropped synesthisia and embedded commands. No more
hap-PENIS. No sir. Speed Seduction has now evolved to a kinder,
gentler, and even less effective form of seduction, ladies and
gentlemen. Huzzah!
Dr. Phil: Are you teaching hypnosis or anything related to hypnosis?
Ross: No! No – I am teaching something far more disturbing, and I want you to listen to this.
By
the way, that was a hypnotic command, but whatever. I love how all of
MINE’99s sales material and course material is all based around
hypnosis, and here he is blatantly LYING and saying it isn’t. He also
never said how much more disturbing the stuff he teaches is, he just
kind of leaves it at that – which could possibly be the first true
thing he said the entire interview.
So Dr. Phil finally asks "What is it you do???" To which MINE’99 responds:
"I teach men how to use language with women to evoke strong emotion."
Really?
Wow – sounds like hypnosis to me! Go figure. I mean, isn’t that NLP?
Using language to evoke desired emotion? NLP = hypnosis last I checked.
Even in MINE’99s example of what he teaches, he describes a hypnotic
induction loaded with weasel phrases and embedded commands, then talks
about mirroring her answers back to her. Yeah, that’s not hypnosis.
Riiiiiiiight.
Even the women in the audience look like they can’t believe the bullshit MINE’99 is spinning!
Let me ask you something, dear reader… for a man who claims to
teach other men how to influence women, why is it he can’t freakin’
influence Dr. Phil, a room full of women, and an entire television
audience?
BECAUSE HE’S FULL OF SHIT.
Always has been. And always will be.
Ross is a liar. He’s an insecure little dweeb. He’s a hateful,
spiteful person. He is incredibly selfish. He cares about no one
other than himself. He’s been teaching seduction for decades and is
still single. All his best students have moved on to different methods
of seduction. All his closest friends, allies and business partners
have deserted him.
You ever wonder why this is?
Simple: He’s a fake. And not only is he a fake, he’s a MEAN fake
no one likes. At least Tyler Durden is charismatic enough so people
overlook the fact he’s a raging sociopath. Ross can’t even be that
intelligent – even when he’s on national TV. He spends all his time
attacking and bad mouthing other people and can’t even fully describe
what it is he does.
This is the problem with MINE’99, and always has been. He focuses
so much on all the NEGATIVE stuff, he never comes across as likable or
sympathetic. If you ask me – he should be taking as many pick up
workshops as possible, because it’s obvious if he just got laid a few
times, he might chill out. But no, he keeps being the faker. The
insecure virgin. The loser he always has been.
Here’s my final word on the matter:
Men need to learn from people who can actually do what they say
they’ll do. They need teachers who aren’t more messed up than they
are. They need people who won’t lie to them and will treat them
honestly. They need guidance from experienced teachers.
Mystery Method is all of those things. Ross is none of them.
And this video proves that.
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Give it up John, your pathetic.
Fuck you asshole!!
I just actually read through all of this, and it’s really pretty sad. Is this what the community is all about? A bunch of teenages fighting on a blog, impersonating other people, pretending to be “guru’s”. What a joke.
The thing that is the funniest about all of this is that you have people flaming back and forth on various sides. It’s always someone who is trying to make themselves feel better. It’s like:
Your the biggest moron.
No YOUR the biggest moron.
Guess what?
Your ALL morons.
Every last one of you.
Get out in the field.
You know I don’t look down on someone who goes out and walks the talk. Some of the guys that posted on this blog, you can tell they know what they are talking about, you can tell they are actually taking action. Then you have the guys that are just here to flame and bring others down. I almost feel bad for them.
“geez mack-wild, if you pretend to be someone else and talk about how u havent posted here for days and to go read fast seduction posts, even an idiot would know it is you posting.”
ummm ok man whatever, I’m mack wild.
OR
Maybe I post on fastseduction?
“ok ok we have got to stop this guys. we have already made him obsessed. we don’t need to make him write post 5 years later baout how hes all grown up and how he used to obsess over an internet blog and how he tried to make people think he was cool to no avail.”
Well one thing is for sure, your not exactly a model for “cool” yourself bro.
Personally I enjoy his constructive posts but I can see why there are haters.
Anyway Im outta here, too many fruit loops.
ok mack-wild. you can stop posting under various names now.
U know how sometimes people like to accuse other posters of being RSD or Thundercat or whoever else but are obviously wrong but seem to not care whether they are right or not???
well unfortunately in your case, we all know you are mack-wild. Unlike the GURUS you do not have actual fans dude.
so when u post something like the new guru mack-wild its pretty obvious shit.
we promise to stop attacking you. lets all stop guys
and you can go back to trying to be normal.
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO
If only everyone could be as normal as you hu johnson? Cause your obviously really normal. lol. We are all glad to have your words of wisdom in between your computer porn and world of warcraft bud.
Ok so im a virgin? Who cares. At least I’m normal. I don’t have any friends because no one is normal. I like to jerk off, who doesnt? Im tired of all the jocks who think their normal. Im tired of being picked on by non-normal people. Be normal everyone. Be normal. I may hide behind a keyboard and worry what everyone else thinks of me and try not to stand out, but at least Im normal.
hey johnson relax dude get over to rsd nation man you ll fit in like fingers in a glove….
hey johnson relax dude get over to rsd nation man you ll fit in like fingers in a glove….
Yo MW,
If you are indeed still on here at all (which I hope your not) forget about these guys. Think about what type of guys are devoting so much time just trying to frame your name and make you look bad. What kind of people would be motivated to do such a thing? Remember the pain body, these guys have strong painbodies.
The painbody is a manifestation of pain, anger, and frustration. You still have somewhat of a painbody and feeding into their painbody is not going to help you.
Your a man who walks the talk and has evolved past this. I’ve seen your field reports bro. I’ve heard the rumors of those who you have sarged with. Your out there making it happen. Your very intelligent and sensible. Don’t get caught up in this shit. This shit is for losers yo. You have to become congruent with who you are now and who you are does not waste time with this type of stuff.
You may or may not read this, shit you may not have been on here for ages but If you are, just step away. It’s over and there was really nothing to begin with. This is all childsplay kindergarden shit.
“Think about what type of guys are devoting so much time just trying to frame your name and make you look bad. What kind of people would be motivated to do such a thing?”
er…….you mean rsd don t you alex; the guys that mackwild criticised in his “blueprint” review.
chill mack-wild.
the reason why pple are picking on you is because you are obsessed. which makes you a fun easy target.
Also how you enjoy pretending to be others who talk up mack-wild.
All you do in this community is type a whole boat load.
trying to change the world to your view. getting into arguments.
We know you want to be known as some accomplished PUA but winning the KJ award isnt going to help that.
Not that we want to prevent you from feeling good.
“Think about what type of guys are devoting so much time just trying to frame your name and make you look bad. What kind of people would be motivated to do such a thing?”
er…….you mean rsd don t you alex; the guys that mackwild criticised in his “blueprint” review.
“Think about what type of guys are devoting so much time just trying to frame your name and make you look bad. What kind of people would be motivated to do such a thing?”
er…….you mean rsd don t you alex; the guys that mackwild criticised in his “blueprint” review.
GO OUT THERE AND GET SOME PUSSY, AND STOP WHINING. ALL THE BLEEDIN LOT OF YOU. JEEZ.
“GO OUT THERE AND GET SOME PUSSY, AND STOP WHINING. ALL THE BLEEDIN LOT OF YOU. JEEZ.”
whats up man you no good at multitasking?
RSD SUCK ASS……. ESP CAIRAN
Ciaran’s ‘left’ RSD from what I read on their forum. Tyler locked his Apocalyse Opener thread saying he’d never seen it work or Ciaran personally pull it off. Distanced RSD from that whole horse shit and suddenly the mKJ that is Ciaran fell silent…
Guy’s a total fucking whacko, just read his blog. Totally divorced from reality.
thats fantastic news yay… rsd are cool again … book your bootcamp now!!!
RSD is not cool. It’s full of chodes bleating the party line about being ‘natural’ without any idea what the words even mean. There’s a thread over there where some guy attempted to intelligently discuss negs but the very word was enough to bring the usual flock of sheep screaming that you don’t need them. Knew the topic was dead in the water before it even got a chance. If it’s not RSD then it’s bad right? Re-label it teasing or self-amusement and it’s good. The usual worthless posts looking for a pat on the head from Tyler or Jeffy that says ‘you get it’.
Jeffy’s pissing on the fluffy hat gamers in another saying they’re everywhere in NYC, easily spotted in huddles with their Harry Potter coats and no women. Other than the coat same could be said of RSDites – if that. At least the fluffy hatters were out instead of reading Tolle in their bedrooms or typing up their 30 day challenge. As if Tyler and Jeffy et al didn’t do all that shit at one stage or another too. Jeffy’s the biggest hypocrite of all. He looks down on Tyler’s PU skills but pays him homage. Papa? Has he ever been any good?
RSD has the biggest chode following out there. They love to buy into the idea that they’re the top of the pile but it’s only Tyler’s manipulative, feel-good marketing and a whole host of lemmins who couldn’t make MM work that are propping it up. Hell, they can’t make RSD’s stuff work but they don’t even have a curriculum so who’s to know? If you’re never told exactly what it is you should be doing then you can never be criticised if it doesn’t work.
RSD have some good inner game stuff, none of it their own, all the work of the real sel-help gurus, and kind of shoe horned into a hodge-podge ‘philosophy’ as espoused in that rambling 20hr diatribe called The Blueprint. ‘Wow, I get it now!’ Yeah. Get what? Social comedians have a keener eye than Tyler for observation but don’t promote it like they’re seeing the ‘matrix’ (a term that strokes the sweet spot of every socially crippled techno-geek).
RSD has something to offer. It’s not worth what they charge for it though and it doesn’t do what it says on the tin.
RSD is not cool. It’s full of chodes bleating the party line about being ‘natural’ without any idea what the words even mean. There’s a thread over there where some guy attempted to intelligently discuss negs but the very word was enough to bring the usual flock of sheep screaming that you don’t need them. Knew the topic was dead in the water before it even got a chance. If it’s not RSD then it’s bad right? Re-label it teasing or self-amusement and it’s good. The usual worthless posts looking for a pat on the head from Tyler or Jeffy that says ‘you get it’.
Jeffy’s pissing on the fluffy hat gamers in another saying they’re everywhere in NYC, easily spotted in huddles with their Harry Potter coats and no women. Other than the coat same could be said of RSDites – if that. At least the fluffy hatters were out instead of reading Tolle in their bedrooms or typing up their 30 day challenge. As if Tyler and Jeffy et al didn’t do all that shit at one stage or another too. Jeffy’s the biggest hypocrite of all. He looks down on Tyler’s PU skills but pays him homage. Papa? Has he ever been any good?
RSD has the biggest chode following out there. They love to buy into the idea that they’re the top of the pile but it’s only Tyler’s manipulative, feel-good marketing and a whole host of lemmins who couldn’t make MM work that are propping it up. Hell, they can’t make RSD’s stuff work but they don’t even have a curriculum so who’s to know? If you’re never told exactly what it is you should be doing then you can never be criticised if it doesn’t work.
RSD have some good inner game stuff, none of it their own, all the work of the real sel-help gurus, and kind of shoe horned into a hodge-podge ‘philosophy’ as espoused in that rambling 20hr diatribe called The Blueprint. ‘Wow, I get it now!’ Yeah. Get what? Social comedians have a keener eye than Tyler for observation but don’t promote it like they’re seeing the ‘matrix’ (a term that strokes the sweet spot of every socially crippled techno-geek).
RSD has something to offer. It’s not worth what they charge for it though and it doesn’t do what it says on the tin.
^^^ laughing… thats a great post! very well put.
Has Thundy abandoned this website … again? It’s been more than a month since his last posting. He is a lazy fucker.
Thundercat is a true wanker. I would imagine his greatest aspiration is to suck Mystery’s knob. 5 years ago when I went into a long-term relationship and kind of left the seduction communitty, he was clueless. And now I’m not surprised to find out that he’s learned nothing. I hope your not using the same techniques you used back then, Thundie, as you stated, cuz they weren’t working then, either.
The truth is, Speed Seduction works. I’m one of the thousands of guys who has used it to great sucsex, so I know. That means I’m one of thousands of guys who is reading his BS and realizing how much of an AFC this guy is. Whether you like SS or not, if you have any game at all you should realize that it works, just by looking at a few of the techniques.
I’ve studied SS, David D., and Mystery and all of them have their merits. Now, David D. is really simple stuff…about the level of Ross’s first book “How to get Women into Bed without Trying.” Mystery’s stuff works too, maybe even as well as Ross’s. But I happen to like Ross’s stuff best because I find it more fun. There’s nothing like being able to lead a woman into trance just by your powerful conversation. It is incredibly fun to do.
Of course, it isn’t for everyone. Ross would probably disagree with me, but I think it takes longer to master SS. You have to have some intellect to use it. It’s infinitely more complex than Mystery or David D. This is most likely why Thundercat dislikes it- he probably tried it, didn’t have the intellect to grasp the concepts, and decided it sucked because of his lack of comprehension abilities. Then he probably tried David D. and actually banged some slime monster and thought “I finally got laid! This is the shiznit!”
Don’t project your shortcomings on us, punky. We know it works, because we’ve experienced it. You’re making a fool of yourself.
Mack Wild killed Thundercat… you bastard!
Honestly if I ever met the dude in person, I would beat the ever living crap out of that dude.
Mack-Wild, I respect you for your stand though in your posts, though some of them may seem controversial at times. The same goes for other critics of the ‘gurus’ as well. Everyone has a fucked up side to them, those ‘gurus’ are not exceptions either. Critics, your presences are appreciated.
All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing. – Edmund Burke.
Honestly if I ever met the dude in person, I would beat the ever living crap out of that dude.
You aren’t going to do anything. People like you talk big then run and hide when the time comes…just another pussy.
I bet you are one of those guys that comes out of a whorehouse complaining that you didn’t feel loved…
oooh.. i am so glad i somewhat quit my addiction to internet arguments.
*takes a deep breath…*
aaaaaah…………
Okay, Mack Bitch. Let’s set up a time and place, I’ll bring my posse, you’ll bring your pussy, and let’s get it on. Email me for details.
Your posse? Please — if you were any more full of shit you’d be a fuckin toilet. Thanks for the laugh though, at least you have talent for something…
Guys… You are not in the present moment.
RJ still sucks.
Point blank period.
RSD
100% new content/0% political non-sense
can’t we all just get along?
SS works despite RJ. Yes RJ is an ass.
So whats your point?
Thundy this is a silly out of date flame thread whose expiration date was over years ago. DID RJ break your heart? Did he hurt your feelings? Did he promise to buy you an ice cream cone and didn’t show up like he promised?
Despite what Thunder might think, the show wasn’t about putting RJ down, it was about displaying the worst traits in males and anchoring them to the PU / Seduction community and trancing his viewers into that frame. DR Phil wasnt very kind to the MM boys either. Dr Phil made them as well as RJ came across as Phony and Manipulative.
When the one in power skews the images and information and filters the responses this kind of propaganda occurs. I don’t really give a rat ass if Dr Phil used his usual style of bait and switch to discolor the community.
I used SS. It works some of the time. I ve used MM. It works some of the time. I’ve used DYD. It works some of the time.
The point here is to combine and create a system that will get you laid.
If SS is useless, why did David Deangelo’s girlfriend go to bed with an ugly creep like RJ? You can’t run from results.
Personally if fewer men use SS to get laid, it means more pussy for me. So keeping up the good work Thunder, and co.
SS is based on NLP. NLP broke down and codified human behavior into small bits.
Understanding this gives an intelligent, perceptive human power over others.
NLP is for smart people. The stupid ones will do better with DYD.
When I hear people say that NLP doesn’t work, I know that the person’s IQ is usually very low and they couldn’t understand the material. Or they have an ulterior motive such as a competitive product ( that usually doesn’t deliver as well as NLP based seduction does).
MM is still the best for clubs and groups of females. Work them and gather interest with
MM and seduce them at home with SS. Is that so fucking hard to figure out?
This community is created for one purpose.
that is to get LAID. What works, works. What doesn’t, doesn’t. Stop worrying about the politics and the loony personalities and have some fun spreading legs.
All forms of pick up and seduction are hypnotic in nature. One must be lured from their present trance to the PUA’s game.
The PUAs game is just another form of trance.
Rake V
“If SS is useless, why did David Deangelo’s girlfriend go to bed with an ugly creep like RJ?”
Hmmm, what else did RJ have going for him?
Leader of men (David D’s guru)
Implied preselection (seduction guru)
Confidence
Playfulness
Intelligence
Sense of humor
Understanding of women
Ability to effect her emotionally
AMOG’ing her boyfriend
and frequent cocky-funny, if you listen to his LA ’99 seminar. David D. (Eben Pagan) is sitting in the back of the room, and RJ busts on him and AMOGs him repeatedly.
It’s amusing how “Double Your Dating” and “Attraction is not a choice” are obvious shots at RJ (the first thing RJ talks about in the ’99 seminar is getting out of the “dating frame”, and his first example of a pattern centers around “if you could choose who you feel attracted to”).
But SS does work, if you’ve got the right environment and a receptive girl.
It’s hilarious all the pissed off SS guys who come on here and spew hate and act like anyone who doesn’t do it is dumb. Yeah — really builds my faith in the stuff. Using a woman’s active imagination to get her hot works, taking it to the extreme of creepyness as RJ teaches does not. End of story. If they don’t like hearing that, then that’s just proof they arnt confident about what they are doing.
Whack Child—you’re ignorant about SS. When it’s done properly, women perceive SS as the opposite of creepy. Its language models how women talk to themselves on the inside and how they conceive of their ideal romantic and sexual experiences. You find out what’s most meaningful to a particular woman and make her feel connected to you on the deepest levels.
On the other hand, insulting strangers while groping them and bragging about yourself and ordering them around and tooling them is what really seems like “being a creep”, isn’t it? But hot girls do like it.
“On the other hand, insulting strangers while groping them and bragging about yourself and ordering them around and tooling them is what really ”
Ok, how about a example?
OK, classic Style / Mystery sequence:
Open HB10 with a neg and immediate touching
transition to DHV story, touch more
get them to comply with your demands, tool them (“hey, I’m gonna show you something cool. Here, give me your hands. I just stole your seat, biatch! Ha ha ha.”)
But the hottest girls do like it. And I do too.
Ok seriously.
This immature shit has got to end. Anyone can take and try to make fun of MM just like anyone can easily make fun of SS. Both can be constreyed to be retarded in many ways.
The fact is though that if you know anything about women (and I have lived with them most of my life) you know that they would rather be playfully tooled on like the MM then to be approached with all this depthly deep romantic weird shit from some guy they barely know. That’s called creepy. SS guys don’t understand or get it when I use the word “creepy”. That is probably because they don’t understand what “creepy” is, which is why they actually took the time to study this stuff from RJ. Anyone who has creepy radar would not do so. Anyone who has any self respect would not do so.
The amazing things I see? I’ve seen a lot in my day, its one of the reasons I disrespect the community sometimes. One thing I’ve learned? Most guys are fuckin dumb as fuck when it comes to women. I just want to fucking smack them upside the head. I once had this new wing guy I met and he was all about SS, always trying to teach it to me, I would just listen. The guy is telling me about pointing to myself, and saying certain scripted patterns, and raising my hands up and down and sticking my thumb in my ass and then having her smell it while blinking subliminal patterns and pointing my hand at 75 degrees — and I look at this dude and he is a pretty good looking guy, I mean this guy could be a model.
Meanwhile this dude is getting girls into him and swearing that it’s the SS, when all it really was, was him having the CONFIDENCE to get in front of women and expose himself and feel he had some POWERFUL tool.
I guess that’s what a lot of this stuff is about, convincing a guy who cant believe in himself to at least believe in a process — no matter how fucking gay that process may be. lol. Yet the guy will believe in it more than he will believe in himself, and if he has something to believe in then he gets in front of women and he gets results, no matter how fucked up the idea is.
Mack wild tools himself yet again:
“This immature shit has got to end.” “Girls would rather be playfully tooled on then to be approached with all this depthly deep romantic weird shit.” “no matter how fucking gay that process may be. lol.”
“It’s hilarious all the pissed off SS guys who come on here and spew hate and act like anyone who doesn’t do it is dumb.”
Because you understand SS very well:
“The guy is telling me about pointing to myself, and saying certain scripted patterns, and raising my hands up and down and sticking my thumb in my ass and then having her smell it while blinking subliminal patterns and pointing my hand at 75 degrees”
You should calibrate the girl before launching into patterns. Get a sense of where she’s at and how direct or indirect you ought to be. A huge part of SS is embedding the patterns within non-threatening frames, getting past her psychological defenses, and discovering what she’ll be most receptive to and then making her more and more receptive as you guide her mood and imagination towards your mutual goal.
“Anyone who has any self respect would not do so.”
Anyone who has any self-respect would not want to learn how to make women experience fantastic new forms of pleasure and open them up on the deepest levels to release their inhibitions and live out their wildest sexual fantasies… and beyond. Anyone who has any self-respect would rather play a bunch of silly games, dress like a clown, and tool girls like a 12 year old while telling other peoples’ phony stories to make himself sound awesome.
Mack wild, you are a fucking idiot. Really. You’re a pathetic joke that has ceased to be amusing. Now go beat up Thundercat like you promised, Mr. Mature Self-Respecting little bitch.
“Mack wild, you are a fucking idiot. Really. You’re a pathetic joke that has ceased to be amusing. Now go beat up Thundercat like you promised, Mr. Mature Self-Respecting little bitch.”
lolololololololol!!!!
Wow. Looks like I struck a nerve. I guess the only question left is who is more nuts, RJ or his diehard followers. Looks like RJ really fixed “his” inner game. lol.
In all seriousness though, I actually was getting ready to check out some ss, even though I understand the “normal” part of it. Then I got to see RJ on Dr phil and had the please of reading some of the creepy weirdo over-reactive diehard SSers on here and I decided that there’s no way any of you get laid, so it must not work.
Besides Swinggcat said that RJ even muttered the words: “OMG this shit actually works” when he used to be a student of RJ’s and got a quick makeout. (which btw you dont need SS for quick makeouts)
Anyways peace out boys, glad I could “weigh” in.
Hey, i’ve read your blog in the past thundie and I love a bit of drama. Anyhoo, I just thought i’d comment to thank you personally… You remind me a lot of myself.. I can be bitter towards people, vindictive, pessimistic and extremely negative.. it’s a problem i’ve always worried about but like a lot of naive people, I thought the community would solve it once I get the results I crave.
Anyway, reading your comments here… coming from someone who considering he releases pickup product, should be relatively good, has made me realise the path i’m currently going down and it’s a bad one.
End of the day, all this sort of talk is nothing more than mental and verbal masturbation. I can speak for myself and the people I know in the community, but are we in it to spend our time pointing our fingers at people, accusing people of being liars and discussing which methods suck? No! We are in the community to improve ourselves as people.
“No! We are in the community to improve ourselves as people.”
… by making money off losers like you.
And to exalt mighty Mack-Wild.
Mack,
You are seriously misinformed. If you’re really that ignorant none of this is going to work for you. Swingcat was an SS student for years, and probably surpassed RJ in it’s implementation. Ross was most likely reffering to a particular technique in SS (possibly one that Swingcat or Iz created rather than himself), as opposed to the whole of SS in general. Everyone knows that SS works, that’s just a given. Instead of talking about something that you are incredibly ignorant of, why don’t you seek out an advanced SS student and see what he can do? If you live anywhere near south Georgia, I can show you the power of SS this very night. In fact I’ll bet my next $1000 paycheck that if you meet me tonight, I’ll pick up twice as many women as you. I’ll even limit myself to SS techniques only, to give you a handicap.
BTW here are some quotes from Thundie on RJ that appear on this very site. It seems he only started hating Ross after a certain Tyler vs. RJ thread in which he got caught in the cross-fire. It seems Ross’s product saved Thundie’s life. I wonder when he’ll show his further hypocracy by editing these comments out.
Thundie: “Update: It seems it’s quickly turning from TD vs. Ross to Thundercat vs. Ross as he takes more and more offence at my replies in the thread. I respect Ross a great deal (the man did save my life with his product), but he can be a real cock when those insecurities bubble up. For some reason he keeps referencing my father like he knows my family. Creepy.”
Thundie- Giving RJ an “honorable mention” in a top 10 PUA ranking list:
“Ross Jeffries — I’ve hung out with Ross on a few occasions now and have only sarged with him once. From what I saw, I liked, but have not done enough field work with him to accurately rate the guy. I know Papa speaks highly of him, and he’s been out in the field with him more than I have.”
Now, Thundie ranks Swingcat as number two on that list, and for all intents and purposes, Swingcat is an SS student. I would guess that he is probably number one.
In my opinion, Swingcat’s products are mostly an extension of SS. The student often surpasses the master. Now, does Swingcat teach as well as Ross? That has yet to be seen- I’ve only read his newsletters, but he did teach me an awful lot when I was an RAFC on the SS List.
Hypnotic seduction is not only from Ross , it’s also from Swinggcat , In10se , Vince Kelvin.. Sexual Key from Jd Fuentes.
Yes sometime you can seem creepy , when you dont deliver it properly , like any methods ( MM, mode 1 etc). With all the tools from NLP , it help to communicate and to be more “deep”. I received only good comments about how im more centered and down to earth. SS is conversational hypnosis/covert hypnosis , and alots of others people are giving course for that as well.
“If you live anywhere near south Georgia, I can show you the power of SS this very night. In fact I’ll bet my next $1000 paycheck that if you meet me tonight, I’ll pick up twice as many women as you. I’ll even limit myself to SS techniques only, to give you a handicap.”
If I lived in Georgia I would take you up on this but I don’t. As I mentioned before I have gone out with SS guru’s before. The guy I went out with before WAS better than me at the time, but this was early on in my career. He did pretty well but it was due to things other than SS in my opinion.
I don’t think SS is bullshit but like anything else if you take it too far and can’t calibrate it is awful and a lot of the routines are creepy. You can get the same result by just playing on a womans imagination and visuals and painting a picture, and it should be done mostly towards the end. There’s a lot of people who use it wrong and are creepy, and RJ certainly does not help that problem at all.
You run David Deangelo and it comes off wrong and people think your a dick. You run RJ’s stuff wrong and people think your a creepy fruitcake. I’d rather be a dick.
Well don’t do the ones that are creepy. And realize that they aren’t creepy for everyone. Sure, there’s going to be stuff that is incongruent with you as a person, or the person who you are making yourself into, so don’t use those particular patterns/techniques or you’ll seem creepy!
In my opinion, David DeAngelo is for people that either don’t want to spend alot of time on becoming a PUA or who are just not bright enough to get beyond the basics. It’s the “throw stuff against the wall and see what sticks” method. It will work for slight majority of women, maybe, but it does not have the potential to calibrate to and seduce a VAST majority of women. DD is great if you just want to get laid alot, but a method of becoming an absolute master it is not.
“You can get the same result by just playing on a womans imagination and visuals and painting a picture, and it should be done mostly towards the end.”
The same result? That’s what SS IS, at the basic level, so if you’re doing that you’re essentially using SS.
BTW, Thundercat equates the BlowJob pattern to other techniques that are meant to hurt a woman’s self-worth. How so? What is so horrible about giving a woman good feelings in order to help her do what she wants to do anyway? Care to explain? IMHO it’s alot better than hurting a woman’s ego in order to get her to do what she wants to do.
And what does caring about whether a chick has seen a show on the Discovery Channel have to do with anything? He’s giving her an experience she might never get to have by telling her something interesting. And, yes, I do think Ross cares how the girl felt opening that first Christmas present. It’s interesting, and her good feelings give the seducer good feelings that they can share. What’s so evil and twisted about that?