Breaking News: Real Social Dynamics Still Sucks Ass
February 19, 2008 by Thundercat
Filed under Rants & Reviews
So the other night, I’m minding my own business when I get an Instant Message from Donovan over at the Seduction Chronicles. He asks me to check out this post where someone other than me finally takes RSD to task.
Now, I know I get a lot of flack for ragging on the Real Social Dickweeds over there in the magical world of PUA-land where Tyler and his minions continue to drink the cool-aid about how they rule and everyone else sucks, so I was happy to see that I’m not the only one being vocal about it anymore.
(Just to be fair, nearly every major PUA I know talks shit about Tyler and crew, but they don’t do it publicly. That distinct pleasure seems to be reserved for yours truly.)
So my first reaction to this post was – it went too easy on these guys.
Now, most of what I’m going to write here is directed primarily at Tyler and Papa, since they pretty much are RSD. All the other guys – Jlaix, Christophe, and anyone else I don’t know, I have no real problem with. They are just the most recent brainwashed minions to fall under the Tyler spell. So this in no way is meant as a criticism of them.
Getting back to it – the purpose of Donovan’s post was to talk about the mythical "Blueprint" which is now 4 years in the making. It’s basically a critique of Tyler’s teachings, and that reflects as to why the Blueprint is never coming out.
Now, RSD just released "The Blueprint Exposed," or whatever the heck their next lame product is. But make no mistake about it – it’s just the same old recycled Tyler crap you’ve always gotten from him.
The biggest complaints I hear directed towards my criticisms of the RSD boys and their teachings is that I’m "jealous" or "petty" because they "won’t hang out with me" or that we had some type of falling out because Tyler didn’t want to write articles for me any more.
Make no mistake about it – that’s not true. I used to consider these guys friends, and I kept quiet about my concerns with Tyler and crew for a long time after that relationship deteriorated (this happened around the time the boys were all ganging up against Mystery in Project Hollywood).
The thing that made me go public with my criticism of RSD was the deluge I got from people who took their workshops and felt they got scammed. Before long, I was getting too many of these emails and bad reviews to ignore.
Then came the evidence that RSD was putting inexperienced instructors into the field to teach paying customers stuff they could not even do themselves.
Finally, there was the "Deep Throat" who sent me private messages from RSD’s instructor’s message board specifically outlining how they planned to trick workshop students into thinking they improved in their workshops when really it was just a trick for inexperienced instructors to make the poor student feel good without having to actually deliver results (and therefor not deliver a refund).
All that combined, I felt the need to speak out, because my personal experiences with these guys has never been anything but bad. Papa is a sociopathic liar, and so is Tyler – Tyler is just more charismatic and better at hiding it than Papa is. And neither of them really care about anyone other than themselves – so you can add a healthy dash of narcissism in there for good measure.
Now, I know what you’re thinking: "Thundercat, what does this have to do with pickup? Why are you hating? Negativity sucks. Blah, blah, blah."
Well, this actually has a LOT to do with pick up, since these are guys that students look up to and follow. These are also guys who have the power to REALLY mess people up.
The reason I’m writing about this is really because the focus on Donovan’s post was about the teachings of RSD. Well, let me say this right now:
THE TEACHINGS WORK.
That is how they are able to stay in business. If you follow the
instructions that these guys lay out for you, chances are you will get
results.
Now, you may feel shocked that I say this, but it’s true. The
teachings are good! However, the reason they are good is because – THEY DID NOT COME UP WITH THEM.
Tyler is what you get when you breed a leech with a sponge. No one
freakin’ cared who Tyler was until he started hanging out with
Mystery. Then, all of a sudden, Tyler starts posting about his "super
uber crazy skillz" on mASF – which is all stuff he learned from
Mystery, but Mystery never bothered to post publicly about, and he starts getting props.
Then, Tyler starts learning Speed Seduction. Now he’s down with
manipulation and mind control in addition to routines and peacocking. Okay, cool.
After that, he starts teaching his own workshops and gets the whole
"hero worship" thing going. (Another thing he got from Mystery)
Then, he moves into Project Hollywood and studies Neil Stauss’ every
move. And for those of you who pay attention, this is when RSD was in
their hey-day.
He then starts taking things from gifted co-horts of his, Like
PlayboyLA, Sickboy, and Twenty-Six, and passing them off as his own.
Keep in mind, this is all taking place in the 2004-2005 time frame.
Why is this relevant?
Simple – because THIS is the time when Tyler announces he is writing THE BLUEPRINT. The supposed end-all-be-all of pick up.
And then something incredible happens…
EVERYONE DITCHES TYLER!!!
Mystery excommunicates him. Ross refuses to hang with him. Style
thinks he’s a prick and a phony. Even the people who were closest to
him – Playboy, Sickboy, and Twenty-Six – all see he’s a sociopath and
move as far away from him as they can get.
People stop posting their ideas on Mystery’s Lounge because Tyler keeps ripping them off and passing them off as his own.
Then, the cracks in their organization begin to surface, the bad reviews start to come out, and what do they do?
THEY CUT THEMSELVES OFF!
They stop participating in the community. They stop posting on mASF.
They only do stuff on their website, their blog, and their newsletters
because that’s the only way they can manipulate what gets out about
them.
But something else happened when they retreated into RSD-land…
TYLER RAN OUT OF PEOPLE TO STEAL FROM.
Notice how little innovation has come from TD since the actual,
TALENTED gurus, such as Mystery, Style, and Playboy, stopped hanging
out with him?
Trust me: This is not a coincidence.
Tyler has always been very good at co-opting other people’s ideas and
making them seem like his own brilliance. But Tyler is just a
charismatic snake-oil salesman. He is repackaging stuff that better
PUAs teach, and passing it off as his own.
Even newer products like "Transformations" is a rip off of the
behavioral stuff Dr. Paul has been pioneering. And don’t think a lot
of TD’s latest offerings haven’t been poor-man versions of stuff Brad P
came up with.
Like I said – their teachings work – but not because of them. In fact, it is DESPITE them that they work!
All RSD is, is an organization designed to do 2 things…
1. Make money
2. Inspire mindless loyalty in their students.
Oddly enough – this business model is even ripped off from Ross
Jeffries, who, for once, is actually RIGHT when he says someone stole
something from him!
These guys DO NOT CARE about students. Their goal – with their
products AND their workshops – is to fool students into feeling good
enough that they won’t ask for their money back, without having to
deliver any actual results.
And this is the reason why the actual Blueprint will never be released
- because Tyler has run out of the best people to steal from, so he has
a hard time writing this stuff down because he can’t analyze and break
down what better PUAs are doing before they popularize their techniques
first.
All you’re going to see from Tyler and crew from here on out is the following:
1. Products based on seminars where they give away 0% content but make you feel really good for watching it.
2. Workshops designed to excite people without evoking any real change or results.
3. Fun videos that display Tyler’s charismatic personality to make you
like him, without ever really showing you how freakin’ sociopathic he
is.
4. Long, rambling posts and field reports that are either completely made up, or completely ripped off from someone else.
Trust me – if it wasn’t for the fact that they somehow weaseled their
way into almost all of David D’s products, these guys would have been
out of business long ago, because they aren’t innovators. They are not
originators. They are rip-off artists and fakes. (Again, this is
aimed at Tyler and Papa, not others in the RSD crew. They may be just
as bad as Tyler, but history shows that the people TD and Papa surround
themselves with are actually much more talented than they are.)
So before people go off half-cocked and tell me I’m a loser who’s just
spouting negativity for no good reason, I think you guys have to look
long and hard at how these guys and their past actions have played out.
1. They’ve stopped innovation because all the innovators have stopped hanging out with them.
2. Everyone who used to like them now hates them and wants nothing to do with them.
3. They have a business model based around self-gain and deception.
4. They isolate themselves because they have a narcissistic need to manipulate and control all information about them (something the Nazi government was very good at, as well).
5. They threaten to sue anyone who actually dares to speak ill of them and expose the truth.
If there is anyone out there reading this who has signed up for an RSD
product or workshop, or is thinking about it – trust me, you would be
better off with almost ANY other seduction course or guru out there,
with the exception of Ross Jeffries.
In my humble opinion, there are two companies you should never, ever, EVER buy or learn anything from, and they are:
1. Real Social Dynamics
2. Speed Seduction
So who should you learn from? Well, check out my Top 10 list. Those guys are the REAL DEAL. Check them out for yourselves.
Okay, rant finished. Now let the flaming begin!
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“Im not saying that the guy is wrong, maybe his way IS better — but until RSD comes out of hiding and displays that –”
And nothing else needs to be said.
It’s ALL about VIDEO now.
Mehow just raised the bar 10 feet.
No video. I no believe you. You show me video. No video from you. No money from me.
Much love to everyone.
In cd 13 and 14 Tyler continues to hammer away at your reality. He talks about being in the moment and having an air of non-judgement about you. He talks about listening to a girl. Yes your eyes are not playing tricks on you, he talks about LISTENING to her. He goes back into resistance of what is and the moment and how any time you complain about something you are being a child and not an adult. Your resisting what is, thinking that if you complain about it that it will change or make things better — rather than just accepting it.
He ties things together and talks about how some guys view life in a heavy way and others view it in a light way, a carefree way. They are light in any situation, no matter what the situation. They just accept things, observe things, savor things.
He ties in how being the person he has talked about up to this point — that authentic and natural person who is not a button pusher, doesnt need an outcome, just walks through life light and true to his reality and not looking to others to form his reality — being non-judgemental, being in the moment yada yada — all the things he has talked about — why it works.
He basically sums it up as working because being that kind of person is what is truely attractive to anyone, mostly to yourself and that while there still may be people who don’t feel you that will never be a concern of yours as your living authentically. He also says that because your living free, authentically, without judgement, without ego, without reaction — yada yada that you will naturally be congruent, which is the main decision making criteria for a girl who is attracted. You will be congruent without having to learn to be congruent. He feels this is superior because you must learn through a long process to be congruent with methods and button pushing and that button pushing hinges on an outcome, on ioi’s, on reactions, on feedback — which means your state hinges on that and is effected by that — which means your entire reality is based on someone elses reaction to you — which makes you reactive.
A self fulfilling prophesy for ultimate failure. He says even when you succeed and get laid, it’s still a hole to fill up, a void. In one of the cd’s he refered to this entire phenominam as “advanced supplication”. So he basically labeled game as “advanced supplication”.
I must admitt that after 14 cd’s of this stuff, my brain is indeed fried and he has indeed shook me up a bit.
More to come — if I dare continue this journey. lol.
Oh my god this is so sad boys. I feel really bad. I found out about the community recently and was immediately drawn into it just to see what the fuss is about.
Let me save all of you a lot of trouble. I like men and i can respect that you want to be a better lover for women. That’s really sweet and romantic.
I want to save you guys a lot of trouble because your hearts are in the right place.
Have you ever thought that all of your ideas are pretty much worthless and random?
That’s because it is guys, it’s really true.
Some girls like a arrogant guy, some girls want a nice guy, some girls want a rich guy, some girls want a funny guy. There are so many combinations and us girls are moody bitches sometimes.
As an example a lot of you guys say that touching a girl is so important, and call it kino? (giggles) Do you know why you think it works? It just works because if the girl rejects it and is not into it she doesn’t like you. When you touch a girl she either becomes aware of her attraction or aware of the lack of attraction she feels. So all it is, is a test, a time saver for you.
Us girls will make up our minds very quick based on your look, your approach, and how we feel before you even open your mouth when you come up to us. Sometimes if we feel crappy it can cloud our judgement and we may feel shitty even though we would otherwise be attracted. So sometimes you can turn it around if you are really good, but it’s not really you turning it around, it’s us realizing that we are actually attracted to you and were just in a bad mood.
We pick who we like guys. We are just like you. We decide very quick and usually that wont change unless we are really horny and lack options at that moment and your there.
Please guys stop wasting your time and money and just learn to come up to us, be yourselves, and not take it personally if we are not feeling you. That’s all you have to do. Us girls need more guys out there who are totally super cool about whatever happens and don’t need us.
Stop this sillyness guys, you can’t make someone attracted to you that is not attracted. Stop doing this to yourselves, some of you are really great guys, accept yourselves and believe in yourselves.
Love Jessica.
xoxoxo
I agree, let’s see some in field stuff from RSD. The forum’s clogged with ass-kissers who’ve never met Jeffy and Tim saying how they’d wipe the floor with Mystery or Mehow or basically anyone who isn’t RSD. Me, I’d love to see that wacko Ciaran wandering through a club doing his shock&awe. Dude claims 100% success with it so why don’t they put up?? Here’s why – Jeffy went out 7 nights a week for 5yrs (or so he claims) and by his own admission has 90 lays. Do the math, it’s not a whole lot of return. Part of being into RSD really does mean switching off your thinking, or at least the part that shifts bullshit.
Boy, that Mack wild is some kinda nutjob, eh?
First, he goes off about how RSD sucks, and then he spends $600 on their product. Then he actually spends time reviewing it–positively!
Haha….I can see The Blueprint has really helped HIS inner game!
There’s a sucker born every minute in this community. That’s why it’s the only industry where they get away charged thousands for some crappy DVDs………lmao
He didn’t pay for the 415mb blueprint decoded mp3s torrent… it was the first blueprint decoded to leak to public trackers 2 weeks ago… from the usual seduction tracker with the bad members security
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Although the Inquisition never reached the colonies—Catholics were a tiny minority among the colonists—the Salem witchcraft trials bore some striking resemblances, writ small, to what had roiled the Continent two centuries earlier. They paralleled, in some ways but not in others, the trial of Joan of Arc in 1431. The pre-Enlightenment church was a dominant influence in the Bay Colony during the seventeenth century, but other influences were also at play against the women who were accused—primarily by other women—of the capital crime of witchcraft.
As is typical with most episodes of legal persecution, a small kernel of truth may have provided an early explanation, if not justification, for the concerns that led to the prosecutions. In a society that believed in the power of the devil and in the phenomenon of witchcraft, it should not be surprising that some young girls may well have experimented with magic spells and other aspects of the occult. Nor should it be surprising that some of the girls may have experienced the functional equivalent of psychosomatic symptoms of being bewitched—symptoms that were manifested by convulsions, fits, screeching, and pain. A doctor, summoned by the minister, diagnosed affliction by the devil, and before long dozens of “witches” were arrested and prosecuted. Informers named names, including those of a former minister and several young children. Nineteen people were hanged, others imprisoned. Several of the condemned were of Native American heritage. This, too, should not be surprising, since warfare between the Puritans and Indians was wreaking havoc among the Northern settlements. In a recent account of the trials, a distinguished historian found that “the key affected accusers in the Salem crisis were frontier refugees whose families had been wiped out in the wars. These young women said they saw the devil in the shape of an Indian.”22 The Puritans needed a scapegoat to explain why “God’s chosen people” were being slaughtered by the Indians. They decided that “their Indian enemies had the Devil on their side.”23
In reading accounts of the witchcraft trials of three centuries ago, a modern-day lawyer’s mind naturally turns to the roles played by the seventeenth-century lawyers, prosecutors, judges, and defense attorneys—and how they used the forms of the law to perpetrate such injustice. One courtroom observer criticized the magistrates’ contributions to the increasing hysteria in Salem: “The chief Judge is very zealous in these proceedings, and says, he is very clear to all that hath as yet been acted by this Court, and, as far as ever I could perceive, is very impatient in hearing any thing that looks the other way.”24 (I’ve certainly encountered judges like that!) Indeed, on several occasions, the Salem magistrates dispensed even with any pretense of impartiality. During one trial in May 1692, the accused said that she felt faint, and she asked the court if she might lean against her husband. “She had strength enough to torment those persons,” the magistrate replied, “and she should have strength enough to stand.”25
In his play and motion picture The Crucible, Arthur Miller apparently intended his audience to think about the McCarthy prosecutions of contemporary “witches” and those who refused to testify against them. The Crucible certainly made me think, as a young man interested in the law, about the relationship between legal procedures and justice. The descriptions of the legal proceedings by which citizens charged with witchcraft were tried make numerous references to justices, judges, and magistrates. There are prosecutors as well, though the roles of magistrate and prosecutor often seem to be merged. The Salem magistrates viewed themselves as inquisitors eliciting confessions and repentance, rather than interpreters of a body of law.26 Deodat Lawson, a courtroom observer, recounted an episode from the proceedings against Martha Corey: “On Monday the 21st of March, the Magistrates of Salem appointed to come to Examination of Goodow C. And about twelve of the Clock, they went into the Meeting-House, which was thronged with Spectators. . . . The Worshipful Mr. Hathorne [the magistrate] asked her, Why she Afflicted those Children? She said, she did not Afflict them. He asked her, who did then? She said, вЂI do not know.’”27
As Justice Hawthorne vigorously pursued a confession, Corey was confronted with the live testimony of some ten “afflicted persons,” including three young girls. With the interaction among Corey and her accusers, the proceedings grew chaotic. Lawson “observed several times, that if she did but bite her Under lip in the time of Examination the persons afflicted were bitten on their armes and wrists and produced the Marks before the Magistrates, Ministers and others.”28 One accuser “complained of grievous torment in her Bowels as if they were torn out,” and hit Corey on the head with a shoe.29 Corey still did not confess, but she was convicted and hanged, along with six other persons, in September 1692.
There are few references to defense attorneys, certainly not in the way we have come to know them over the past two centuries. It is clear that the principal legal officers in these notorious proceedings are the “honorable” and “distinguished” judges who conducted the trials, rendered the verdicts (sometimes with the assistance of a special jury), and imposed the death sentences.
As I read about the judges, I could not help wondering how our own Supreme Court and lower courts would react if a hysteria comparable to the witch trials were to occur today. I also could not help wondering whether the presence of a vigorous defense bar would not have made, and would not now make, a difference in the processes and outcomes of the cases.
There is, of course, some relevant history to look to for guidance. The Salem travesty was neither the first nor the last of its kind. The Spanish Inquisition employed the forms of the law and the legitimation of judges. Even in Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Soviet Union, “good” and “decent” judges went along to get along. During the McCarthy period in our nation, many judges willingly participated in the Red-baiting and career-destroying paranoia of the time; and during the Jim Crow era in the South, most of the judges perpetuated a system of apartheid that not only kept the races separate but also imposed a double standard of justice on blacks and whites. Although some of these ignoble judges believed in the “justice” of the cause they were serving, most were motivated by simple opportunism, careerism, and a need to please those in power.
Today’s “witches” may be those suspected of complicity with terrorism, especially if they are not citizens. Terrorism, unlike witchcraft, poses real dangers to vulnerable citizens, but what must be recalled is that in seventeenth-century Salem, many good people honestly believed that witches posed a real danger. Too many of today’s judges are prepared to ignore—or manipulate—the law to assure that no one they release becomes the next Mohammed Atta or Osama bin Laden.
It is possible, of course, that, even without the complicity of the judiciary, people would have hanged witches, burned heretics, gassed Jews, shot “cosmopolitans,” imprisoned fellow travelers, subjected blacks to apartheid, and denied due process to Muslims suspected of terrorism. Nevertheless, that the imprimatur of the judges legitimized entirely illegitimate undertakings becomes clear in reading these accounts of the witchcraft trials and seeing how the trials relied on the forms of the law. (It also becomes clear when one reads, as every judge should, the record of the Nuremberg trials of Nazi judges.)
Throughout history, some judges have had the courage to stand up to the abuse of the legal system. A few paid with their lives, others with their careers. In some instances, most notably McCarthyism, dissenting judges had an impact on slowing down and finally halting the evil. (During the McCarthy period, as distinguished from the others, vigorous defense attorneys also played an important role in vindicating the rights of the accused.) Even so, too few judges have risked going against powerful and popular tyrants.
When I look at our current judiciary, especially the Supreme Court, I see some judges in the mold of those who went along with the excesses of tyrants. Oh, sure, today’s judges would find some contemporary rationale for their unwillingness to intercede on behalf of the victims of tyranny: judicial restraint, executive and legislative prerogative, separation of powers, original intent, national security, and many other catchphrases can be selectively invoked to justify inaction. Nevertheless, the real reason why the Rehnquists, Scalias, and Thomases of today’s judiciary would not intercede is that they are statists rather than true conservatives: Conservatives believe in limited governmental power over individuals; statists believe in virtually unlimited governmental power and limited individual rights (except, in some instances, when it comes to property rights or the right to bear arms).
Consider what former chief justice Warren Burger had to say in 1986 about the “crime” of private homosexual activity between consenting adults—a “crime” akin to witchcraft in many ways, including its biblical source and its lack of actual victims. In the case of Bowers v. Hardwick, Chief Justice Burger, in a concurring opinion, approvingly quoted Blackstone’s characterization of “вЂthe infamous crime against nature’ as an offense of вЂdeeper malignity’ than rape, a heinous act вЂthe very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature,’ and вЂa crime not fit to be named.’”30 The judges in Salem might also have quoted Blackstone on the evils of witchcraft (had his book, which was published a few decades later, been available to them): “The civil law punishes with death not only the sorcerers themselves, but also those who consult them; imitating in the former the express law of God, вЂthou shalt not suffer a witch to live.’ And our own laws [rank] this crime in the same class with heresy, and condemn both to the flames.” (In June 2003, the Supreme Court reversed Bowers v. Hardwick, striking down a Texas law that prohibited private consensual sex between same-sex couples. “The petitioners are entitled to respect for their private lives,” wrote Justice Anthony Kennedy for the majority. “The state cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime.”31 The Court concluded that “Bowers was not correct when it was decided, and it is not correct today.”32 Chief Justice Rehnquist, along with Justices Scalia and Thomas, dissented. You can read an account of the Texas sodomy case starting on page 551.)
Burger’s successor, Chief Justice Rehnquist, has rendered similar decisions, nearly always siding with claims of governmental power over individual rights. This is especially true when rights have been claimed by weak and unpopular, even despised, minority groups. I can picture Rehnquist as a German judge during the 1930s and 1940s. (Indeed, when he was nominated to be an associate justice in 1971, I learned from several sources who had known him in the 1940s that as a Stanford Law School student, he had outraged Jewish classmates by imitating Adolf Hitler and goose-stepping around the campus with brown-shirted friends.) The German judges who were tried at Nuremberg included several distinguished jurists and professors with an authoritarian bent not so different from Rehnquist’s. This is not to deny that Chief Justices Burger and Rehnquist have sometimes sided with unpopular individuals and against the prosecution, but the judges of Salem and Germany also occasionally acquitted persons accused of witchcraft or of violating the Nuremberg laws. Indeed, when challenged about their complicities in a system of injustice, many judges rationalized their participation by pointing to the ameliorative role they played in helping some victims of injustice. I have little confidence that most current Supreme Court and other federal and state court judges would act courageously and independently in the face of witchcraft trials today, especially if the atmosphere of the country were such that it would require personal and career risks to do so. Despite lifetime appointments, too many judges seek popularity and acceptance by the powers that be.
It seems more likely that several of our current justices and judges would become part of the problem, going out of their way to give an imprimatur to the evil at hand, as former chief justice Burger did in the homosexuality case and as numerous judges did during the McCarthy period. Nor is this an issue that falls neatly on any right-left continuum. In today’s world, left-wing zealots on the bench—of which there are, thankfully, very few—also pose a danger of using the imprimatur of the law to exorcise their devils. For example, some feminist extremists regard sexual crimes—rape, pornography, and child molestation—as so heinous that even innocence should not be regarded as a valid defense!33 But the dominant contemporary danger still does come from the extreme right for two reasons: There are far more right-wing ideologues on the bench today than left-wing ideologues; and extreme right-wingers are more likely to be statists, especially during times of political right-wing domination.
Former justice Robert Jackson, who took a leave from the Supreme Court to serve as our nation’s chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials of Nazi war criminals, wrote of the role of judges and law in legitimating tyranny, “[t]he most odious of all oppressions are those which mask as justice.”34 Jackson was echoing the caution of Lord Coke, expressed even before the Salem witch trials: “It is the worst oppression that is done by colour of justice.” And Justice Brandeis warned us, three-quarters of a century ago, that even good intentions are no protection against zealotry: “Men [and women] born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men [and women] of zeal, well meaning but without understanding.”35 We should keep the words of these great judges in mind as we recall the judges of Salem and as we assess our own Supreme Court.
Most importantly, we should recall the cautionary words of Learned Hand about the limited role that judges can play in preserving our liberties: “Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it; no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it. While it lies there it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it.”36
This history should warn us never to abdicate to any branch of government—indeed to government at all—the job of keeping liberty alive. That is a full-time job for all citizens, especially those of us who carry the proud title of lawyer.
On disk 15 Tyler continues his assault on your reality. Like many sections of the blueprint — tyler uses a lot of air time to promote RSD in indirect ways or to explain bad press indirectly in a way that paints them in a positive light. He uses a lot of time on here to talk about his bootcamps and the quality of them. He also indirectly explains the “state” “hype” and “positivity” complaints that have come from people such as thundercat and many RSD defectors — who complain of a high hype and low result ratio.
One thing though that he touches on of value on this cd is why he does this. He explains that there can be one guy who goes out, has 2 good approaches, goes home and focuses on those 2 approaches — how they went – how he can build off them — what he can take from them. Then there is another guy who can go out and have 9 good approaches but focus on the 3 negative ones or the negatives of those 9 good approaches.
This was huge to me because I tend to be the guy who focuses on what I dont do right, or the negative ones — those are what I take home with me. My identity is such at this point that I can go out, talk to 15 girls and remember the one girl who basically ignored me — or the one girl I didn’t approach. Or I will have 2 girls that want to take me home, but something ends up fucking it up, and I will dwell on what an idiot I was not to pull one of them. This is instead of focusing on the things I did well to get it to that point.
If I lay a girl, I focus on how it might have been a foolsmate or how she is not as hot as I expected. Shit the other day I had an awesome phone convo with a girl, who basically invited me over twice and was ready to give me a message. She sent a sweet follow up text — what was most of my focus? It was on how a couple times during the convo I slightly qualified myself. lol.
So I guess in a way the guy has a point, even though he mostly uses that stuff to self promote, brainwash, and solidify the most cult like atmosphere that can be found in the history of this community thus far.
His point though is that focusing on the positives, what your doing right — will lead to FASTER growth than what not to do or what you did wrong.
I will be back to finish up this review and give my final impressions. I hope you guys have found some value in my in depth reviews and have been able to decide if it’s worth spending 20 hours of your life to listen to Tyler free flow rap about game and how awesome RSD is. lol.
On disk 15 Tyler continues his assault on your reality. Like many sections of the blueprint — tyler uses a lot of air time to promote RSD in indirect ways or to explain bad press indirectly in a way that paints them in a positive light. He uses a lot of time on here to talk about his bootcamps and the quality of them. He also indirectly explains the “state” “hype” and “positivity” complaints that have come from people such as thundercat and many RSD defectors — who complain of a high hype and low result ratio.
One thing though that he touches on of value on this cd is why he does this. He explains that there can be one guy who goes out, has 2 good approaches, goes home and focuses on those 2 approaches — how they went – how he can build off them — what he can take from them. Then there is another guy who can go out and have 9 good approaches but focus on the 3 negative ones or the negatives of those 9 good approaches.
This was huge to me because I tend to be the guy who focuses on what I dont do right, or the negative ones — those are what I take home with me. My identity is such at this point that I can go out, talk to 15 girls and remember the one girl who basically ignored me — or the one girl I didn’t approach. Or I will have 2 girls that want to take me home, but something ends up fucking it up, and I will dwell on what an idiot I was not to pull one of them. This is instead of focusing on the things I did well to get it to that point.
If I lay a girl, I focus on how it might have been a foolsmate or how she is not as hot as I expected. Shit the other day I had an awesome phone convo with a girl, who basically invited me over twice and was ready to give me a message. She sent a sweet follow up text — what was most of my focus? It was on how a couple times during the convo I slightly qualified myself. lol.
So I guess in a way the guy has a point, even though he mostly uses that stuff to self promote, brainwash, and solidify the most cult like atmosphere that can be found in the history of this community thus far.
His point though is that focusing on the positives, what your doing right — will lead to FASTER growth than what not to do or what you did wrong.
I will be back to finish up this review and give my final impressions. I hope you guys have found some value in my in depth reviews and have been able to decide if it’s worth spending 20 hours of your life to listen to Tyler free flow rap about game and how awesome RSD is. lol.
In cd 13 and 14 Tyler continues to hammer away at your reality. He talks about being in the moment and having an air of non-judgement about you. He talks about listening to a girl. Yes your eyes are not playing tricks on you, he talks about LISTENING to her. He goes back into resistance of what is and the moment and how any time you complain about something you are being a child and not an adult. Your resisting what is, thinking that if you complain about it that it will change or make things better — rather than just accepting it.
He ties things together and talks about how some guys view life in a heavy way and others view it in a light way, a carefree way. They are light in any situation, no matter what the situation. They just accept things, observe things, savor things.
He ties in how being the person he has talked about up to this point — that authentic and natural person who is not a button pusher, doesnt need an outcome, just walks through life light and true to his reality and not looking to others to form his reality — being non-judgemental, being in the moment yada yada — all the things he has talked about — why it works.
He basically sums it up as working because being that kind of person is what is truely attractive to anyone, mostly to yourself and that while there still may be people who don’t feel you that will never be a concern of yours as your living authentically. He also says that because your living free, authentically, without judgement, without ego, without reaction — yada yada that you will naturally be congruent, which is the main decision making criteria for a girl who is attracted. You will be congruent without having to learn to be congruent. He feels this is superior because you must learn through a long process to be congruent with methods and button pushing and that button pushing hinges on an outcome, on ioi’s, on reactions, on feedback — which means your state hinges on that and is effected by that — which means your entire reality is based on someone elses reaction to you — which makes you reactive.
A self fulfilling prophesy for ultimate failure. He says even when you succeed and get laid, it’s still a hole to fill up, a void. In one of the cd’s he refered to this entire phenominam as “advanced supplication”. So he basically labeled game as “advanced supplication”.
I must admitt that after 14 cd’s of this stuff, my brain is indeed fried and he has indeed shook me up a bit.
More to come — if I dare continue this journey. lol.
i love how mack wild loved rsd then got banned adn hated rsd then got back in again adn loved rsd and now that he is banned again he is against rsd:o what a effing surprise. if it was that bad he wouldnt have tried to return =(
Why would RSD spend $250K on production if all these weasels can just download the thing for free?
Because Tyler is an egomaniac. And probably lying about that, anyway. $250k on camera equipment? just to film himself on stage? He’s not that pretty.
His “non-ego-based learning” and “natural game” shtick is a means of protecting his ego in reaction to his critics.
Yeah I kind of agree with the last poster on the ego thing. The BP is sprinkled with a lot of camoflaged qualification in responce to well known RSD critics.
As for the dude talking to me about the forum. My IP address got banned. I do not post on RSD anymore. My account got banned, and I tried to do a impartial Blueprint review under the same banned name with an explanation point. So obviously I wasn’t trying to “get back in” with RSD. Otherwise I would have chose a different name. They then noticed my review and banned my IP address.
I have communicated with them about this, and they feel it’s time for me to “evolve” past RSD. I agree with their feelings on this.
My review has been impartial. I also have never “loved” RSD. I have always been skeptical of them because they are very transparent about their manipulative and hypocritical ways as well as their lies.
I DO like some of their teachings and i DO like the way Tyler can break things down for full comprehension.
There is no black and white. For those of you who only see black and white — you need to grow up and move out of your moms house. Someone can like some things about someone and not like others. That’s the real world fella’s. Grow up.
I chose to post my review in detail here because as I have stated before — where else more appropriate to do it? Besides the RSD forum — which only allows hyped up reviews? and who has banned me?
So in a thread about RSD is the best place to do it.
I will also have a finalized version that I will post on fastseduction.com, I already have a partial review there.
P.S
If any of you RSD sheep were to actually grow some fucking balls and be real men — and come together to clean up RSD’s business practices and not stand for their BS — they might actually change as people — and become more of the people that they talk about being.
Then you could TRUELY believe in them — and not have to get mad at me for delivering the truth that you already know — but are too much fucking pussies to admitt to yourselves.
Again — grow the fuck up.
P.S.S
I mean lets face it guys — in a lot of ways RSD is clowning the fuck out of all of you. What do you think they say about you sheep behind your back hu? What do you think they say???
Damn look at how they talk to you guys sometimes on the forums and treat you like shit .. after some of you spend all your college money on them because they told you it’s the best product ever and brainwash and manipulate you, and if you so much as bring up ONE thing you don’t get — they tool on you and make fun of you for actually thinking a product can help you.
Look at how Tyler acts to some of his guests on the BP. Making them copy all this stuff he says and shout it out, laughing after. The guy is obviously drawing state and living out a simulation of cult leader.
Guys will speak up in that program about something important to them — after they spend 3 grand to get there and stay there for four days — and the guy will totally ignore them, tool on them, be dismissive or whatever.
You can say all you want about Mystery or some of these other guys, but they never try to act like they are something they are not. What you see is what you get. You KNOW what your getting. They arn’t trying to insult your intelligence. Their marketing is crap and they let it be crap because they only want someone to get it if that’s not an issue for them. They arn’t drawing power from tooling on guys and making all their followers sheep chode followers.
Have some god damn self respect guys, I mean shit. I don’t know whats wrong with some of you.
So what are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to shut RSD down or something? What’s your agenda? What’s your purpose?
Take a good look at yourself pal. You yourself are needing people’s validation, and you’re constantly trying to reaffirm your weak sense of reality.
You’re whining on a blog for godsake. Do you think you’re going to make a difference by ranting? Are you going to back any of that up with action? Because truth be told, RSD are grounded in their reality and you can’t do anything about it.
God dude, I can’t believe you can’t see what’s wrong here – no not your rant about RSD, but about yourself. You know you got nothing but value from RSD, don’t you dare forget contributions from Manwhore, DrunkJohn, Dan, PimpofPersia, all the other guys from RSDNation. I wouldn’t consider some of the most respectable members of that forum tools, would you?
Move on. Man. Move on.
^ Talking to Mack Wild.
I also got significant contributions from Ozzie, Tyler, Tim, Pimpsky, Jack Diesal, Halfful — and countless others.
Yes
There are definately some great guys on that forum, and they pushed my reality. Most of them don’t post on that forum anymore though. Most of the people left there are sheep. It’s not the same forum it once was, and the RSD crew is not the same as they once were, back before their entire business was based on products, brainwashing, sales tactics and a cult atmosphere.
Things are not the same.
What am I trying to accomplish?
To write a freakin review. That review is VERY fair and balanced. If you have a different impression of it — that’s fine man. Relax and stop being such a chode about a review. In america we have freedom of speech.
I am a leader. I see a company that misrepresents itself at times and I am going to point that out — because it’s fuckin obvious that some people have no minds of their own. I’m doing what I want to do so that I can sleep at night. Anything I say in my reviews are total god honest truth based on my knowledge, and despite the death threats I have recieved — I am indeed going to finish this review. This has been an extremely fair and balanced review. End of story.
>>> that mad Intime post is hilariously sarcastic
talk about inviting haters.
but the guys on here still don’t seem to see their patterns.
cant believe teh nonsense that mack wild is on about. he wants Tyler to come across differently?
He was perfectly great to everyone at the seminar, but of course i guess mack wild believes seminars shouldnt be run unless u talk the way mack wild wants you to.
Mack Wild, your one statement about how Tyler speaks to participants will totally make eveyrone think you are nuts.
After watching so much of the blueprint you are still stuck in such superficial nonsense. the program obviously doenst work for u man. hey cant work for everyone i guess.
Mack Wild could have written a book if he took his obsession with RSD from here and channeled it into something else.
lesson learned. don’t ban members even if they are crazy cause they will take their crazy somewhere else and it will all be directed at u.
Are you gonna cry monkeyass? Why dont you cry??? Throw a little tantrum like a little baby.
Waaaaaahhhh
WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
Mack wild wont worship RSD like I do, his review isn’t saying that RSD is the best company ever. He has his own opinion. Why can’t I be strong enough to have my own opinion? I know — he must be crazy. ANYONE WHO IS INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO SEE THROUGH RSD IS CRAZY!!! THATS IT. See I am not a pathetic loser. Now my reality isnt ruined!!! I can even make a post and paint him as crazy to hold onto my ego and my reality.
Wahhh waaaaahhhhh waaaaahhhhhhhh
You want to talk about focusing on productivity? All your doing is fuckin whining like a little baby.
I’m actually posting some value for people who read this thread, an actual detailed and unbiased review on the blueprint program.
So cry and waste all your time on here crying and throwing a little tantrum about how its not fair. Go ahead dude. It’s ok. World of warcraft and your moms cookies are waiting for you in the basement.
^ BINGO. I see that someone else sees it also.
Dude I have nothing wrong with your review – I think it’s great and fun to read. But outside of that review, it very much shows you’re being reactive and backwards rationalizing. You’re blowing things out of proportion. There is something definitely wrong here.
You think Tyler is misrepresenting himself? Then consider the fact that in 2 years, he’s going mainstream into self-development. He’s going to be the next Anthony Robbins, but the first Owen Cooks. I think that speaks of great proportions in of it self.
Since this is a crappy psychotic blog to begin with, that was started out of negativity — I have no problem — at least not for tonight — with going toe to toe with any of you negative bratts:
“But outside of that review, it very much shows you’re being reactive and backwards rationalizing.”
You come back on here and you tell me how that is, and maybe I might take you seriously.
P.S
I am not going to let this thread turn into a thing where guys are coming on here and trying to defend RSD and I am shooting back and breaking down RSD. That is not what this is about. This is about a review of the BP.
I will just say this:
Up until recently — when I called out guys to have a bit of self respect — there were no haters or flamers.
The minute I call you guys out to have some freakin self respect — everyone came out of the woodwork to defend their ego. Ask yourselves — why is that?
Could I have struck a nerve?
dude move on you tried to go back 2 times adn they banned you. and it looks you are trying to get banned in jugglers forum too, its just sad. I dont know if you are as dumb as you come across or not but its either that or you cant see past your world views and limiting beliefs and you are stubborn as hell. in the end, i guess, its all the same youll annoy the fuck of everyone you come across =(
Yo
I go out with Mack all the time.
The guy is not crazy.
The guy is not stupid.
The guy is a pimp, point blank.
Girls love him, guys love him.
He just has a strong reality and strong boundaries and he doesn’t let people put him in a box.
The guy is incredible at being open minded and understanding, but if you try to communicate to him in a juvinille way he just wont have it.
That’s the problem is that there are just too many nerds, virgins, ignorants, and dorks on these community forums, and sometimes it just sends him over the edge I guess.
Yo
I go out with Mack all the time.
The guy is not crazy.
The guy is not stupid.
The guy is a pimp, point blank.
Girls love him, guys love him.
He just has a strong reality and strong boundaries and he doesn’t let people put him in a box.
The guy is incredible at being open minded and understanding, but if you try to communicate to him in a juvinille way he just wont have it.
That’s the problem is that there are just too many nerds, virgins, ignorants, and dorks on these community forums, and sometimes it just sends him over the edge I guess.
Thanks man.
Anyone who comes out and takes a stand on something is going to have haters. I am posting my open and genuine thoughts based on my experiences with RSD over the past couple of years, and I am also giving my review based on what most of their followers see as “the bible” the prize project — the blueprint.
Obviously there are going to be people who want to come out and hate on me for it.
That’s totally cool with me.
I have found a forum that I like now, I have moved past the RSD thing. They have the right to run their business however they want to, and I have a right to inform the public and they can make their own choices. That’s part of what makes America great.
I’ve learned some things about myself throughout all of this actually.
1) I don’t look to other guru’s or methods to define my success — independant forums are the best place for me. I don’t like the structured and sheep like atmospheres of private forums devoted to one teaching. They make me puke in my mouth. They are short sighted, ignorant, and promote false magic bullet type ridiculasness to take advantage of weak minded people who are lost in order to make money. They arn’t for me.
2) I still on some level am reactive at times. Some of the narcisistic and ignorant comments that people who wouldnt even dare come close to saying to someones face — can be expressed freely by anyone at anytime at the safety of their computers. So the whole internet thing in general is not that healthy of a habit. That’s why many advise against posting at all. This phenominan only gets worse when interacting in a community with people who come here in large part because they — dont have success with women. I notice that very rarely do naturals or semi-naturals post on forums, they may lurk but seldom post. It’s because they know. Fact is nothing good can come from exchanging posts with a narcisistic kid behind the safty of a keyboard.
3) After listening to the BP — and I am almost finished and ready to give my final review — my suspisions I have had for a long time have become pretty clear.
In a lot of ways my natural abilities and mindsets that I had before coming to the community — were much closer to the correct ones. The community strives to try to correct deficient people and make them become normal. If you are already somewhat normal and just have a few SP’s — immersing and involving yourself in a community filled mostly with people who are way below your level — can bring you down to their level and actually work to not only undermine your progress and hold you back — but even to revert you — at least during the time that you spend interacting with them.
Just take Uga uga for example. The guys name is dirk something or other on the JM forums. If anyone has spent any amount of time on the JM forums they know that it is mostly filled with WBAFC’s who are drawn to JM for it’s simplicity. Unfortunately the method is very fluid and requires some foundation — anyone not at least at rAFC level cannot make it work. So they are also very frustrated and aggressive over there — particularly to most mainstream community mindsets and tactics.
So this guy actually follows me onto this blog and makes some comments because probably at some point I fucked up his reality.
I reacted to him, and it took me off my path on posting the most complete review of this method so far on any forum or blog. I reacted to some virgin who is just pissed because I posted something about not being needy at some point or something. lol.
This is the type of mandrama bs that can be found by posting a lot on these boards. Guys — if your going to post and interact with guys — make sure your on a board where you agree with the method 100 percent — or post on an independant board.
Try to limit your posts to FR’s, asking a SP question, and occassionally giving some quality feedback to someone to bring some value. NEVER get caught up in what I call nerd-bait or mandrama. I got caught up in it today, I was reactive — to a WBAFC virgin. I accept that in myself though because no one is perfect. I can only take the lesson from it. People who dont have anything good going on for them in their lives and have nothing better to do than to antagonize someone else on an internet forum — should never take away from you. You should never allow that. Those type of people fuel off of it. It’s sad. I hope we can all learn a lesson from this.
My final review of BP — still to come…
hahahahaha
Yeah Mack I can’t believe you fell for that kids shit.
His name on the JM forum by the way is Dirkmanley. I actually use to go out with him.
This guy is so horrible that it is not even funny. Girls will be tooling on him and he is just going along with it. One time his eyes even welled up with tears. lol.
You totally nailed it. There is no way that guy has ever been laid!
Ok guys. chill.
Just let Mack Wild get it out of his system.
Of all things in the world to review, he is reviewing the blueprint and has written full essays on it now. AT least its important enough to him out of everything else in the world he could be focusing on.
Lets leave his motivations alone and let him finish his reviews.
Yes there are people who will make other people react just because they can and even Mack Wild himself knows it is unhealthy and even he says he is trying to slowly weed himself off all this internet flaming.
By continuing to insult him, it wont do him any good and we will just feed our own egos.
This is the internet so there will always be a variety of opinions.
Ray Gordon is still even around talkin about his “pivot” coining and continually talking nutty despite almost universal scorn.
Sometimes I think that if he truly is screwed in the head many of us definitely had something to do with it by trying to insult and make fun of him non stop.
I’m enjoying Mack Wild’s review. Given his history with RSD when he says something postitive about the BP it has real credibility, when negative, because of his balanced view point, the same. Only thing that detracts is him getting drawn in by the baiters, then yeah, he can look a little nuts.
Most of RSD’s forum members are kidding themselves. They post on achieving a level of spiritual enlightenment it takes Tibetan monks a life time of study to never quite achieve. Yet they read a couple pages of Tolle, maybe watch a few mins of him on youtube and they think they’re the Dalai Lama. They talk about philosophical concepts that have been round for decades if not 100s of years but they’re so uninformed they think Tyler came up with them. They all fall into line like sheep, chase after whatever Tyler is into at any given moment. They’re fanboys not students. If Tyler posted what he ate for breakfast they’d eat it morning, noon and night to be ‘just like Tyler’. As if he’s a human being really worth aspiring to.
I’ve a love/hate thing with much of RSD’s material too. Some great stuff in it but it’s the contradictions and obvious false humanity they promote through it that undermines it for me. Like I’m never sure if I’m being genuinely helped or just taken for a ride.
The Jeffy Show is full of the contradictions Mack Wild talks about. Jeffy constantly seeks validation for his ‘wild man’ stories throughout, pausing to let the audience know they should appauld and laugh, and laughing at his own antics to cue them lest they don’t appreciate what a great guy he is.
Then they took on Ciaran. He’s been mentioned here but he’s the one thing that really drives me from RSD. That guy was nuts on mASF and is all over the net on every PU forum going. He rants and raves and shouts down anyone who doesn’t agree with his fantasies. A thouroughly nasty piece of work with the biggest ego out there banging on about Tolle and oblivious to the irony. Like Mack Wild said, the type of guy who needs to become what he’s talking about instead of just posting on it. Ciaran refers to his students as ‘minions’ on non-RSD forums and is openly scathing of the guys who pay good money to be ‘taught’. Advised one college kid to spend his grant money on the BP and when the other guys pointed out that was for shelter, food and books he exploded. Wouldn’t back down or admit that was bad advice he gave. That’s that the guy really is.
I’ll have the BP by the weekend. No doubt it’ll be filled with the sort of interesting rambling Tyler is reknowned for but any real structure I expect will be lacking. That doesn’t mean to say I won’t have many moments where he verbalises something I known for ages but couldn’t express, that I won’t get many things from it in numerous watchings, but ultimately it’s just one piece in the overall on going developement of myself.
The most impresive thing about Tyler is that a college drop out could surf the publicity of Strauss’s The Game to get to where he is now.
although i think that pickin on someone is just gona worsen any problem they have, sometimes maybe we deserve it
its true that pple who think similarly will flock together
I find that it is very common for people to criticize popular guru’s motivations and the way they come across.
And really even in my own opinion there are many PU guru’s that I dont like how they come across.
I could probably go on about how much i think Mystery and Ross Jeffries is screwed up in the head. and how i belive their inner game is incredibly weak.
I think Styles products are terrible overpriced nonsense and that he is still stuck on old mindsets.
How i think David D is a lousy teacher and prob aint that good a PUA.
How Lance Mason doesnt know how to run his company and is eventually going to lose all his popular instructors.
Love Systems Directors just try to get as many instructors as possible. greedy businessmen as leaders.
Juggler method is particularly stupid in style. doesnt even make total sense.
So yea we can all insult every single company we dislike if they become too big. since thats when every negative comment u put about them will evoke stong responses.
But then again, none of these guys are that popular in the community right now.
RSD is pretty prominent now.
Its the truth that RSD has released material that has challenged a lot of peoples old beliefs, and debates are going to pop up as to whether to accept these new philosophies or not. There are even lots of gurus from rival companies who now say they have learnt a lot from them.
It pains people like me to think that things that we believe in may be superceded and some of us are going to fight just so we can save our beliefs about the right way to game.
ITS pretty terrible for RSD to make us question our beliefs and its seriously affecting a lot of our minds, which is why we try to win this debate for ourselves.
To give ourselves the feeling that we are right enough. that our game is special enough.
Which is why u will see many guys like me needing to make sure the community doesnt change direction or make my long standing beliefs obsolete.
Even I really felt like writing long articles about how I believe that people shouldnt start talking about certain things and that the community is starting to move in directions i dont like, I just wanted tactics and more technique. I didnt want the community to head in a direction that i might not fit in.
I WANT RSD TO BE WRONG. I WANT THEM TO BE EVIL. I WANT EVERYONE TO NOT TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY.
Cause I seriously feel threatened by their presence. I didnt like them evolving past technique based game.
I really want to belive that my technique based game makes me incredibly good with women. Im special cause I am different from these normal guys. I have TECH.
I want to believe they only have a quarter of the puzzle. and that my part of the puzzle is still valid. that is why i am going to debate on.
And really i still might. I still might find every reason i can to prove to my own mind that RSD is not right. So that I can keep my reality.
I’m human so I have to do the human thing. And i seriously think i cannot evolve to the points described in the blueprint.
So im gona make myself believe those things are not neccassary.
And that my thoughts and ideas about this area are the true right ones. And im gona fight on. Cause i dont really care if im right really.
Its because i have given myself the belief that I am right and I am now going to support it by fighting off anything that is going to threaten it.
People do it all areas of politics and industries, and there is no reason why i should not do the same.
the funny thing is that although companies like RSD threaten me most, i feel compelled that i have to know their material from top to bottom so that i will be able to find the flaws in it.
And there is just this feeling that if i don read or study something they release i will be missing out on something.
but im keeping my old game beliefs no matter what, and its going to be difficult for RSD or anyone else to change my mind. Because even if they are RIGHT. Im still gona fight to change peoples beliefs to those similar to mine.
Im only human.
Tyler uses the David Bowie opener in BP and quotes Style, “What’s funny in the playground is funny again”. In the Jeffy Show Jeffy goes through his openers, admits he still uses routines (having memorized 10hrs of them if you can believe that) and says he knows what to do to move the interaction forward ie he’s using a structure.
Tyler on his blog speaks about his friend ‘Erik’ (ie Mystery) and the good stuff he teaches with regards to club logistics etc. Think Tyler says he’s 80% inner game and 20% outer…though he also says go with whatever’s right for you. It’s only through Tyler’s sheep that the message seems to get warped. They’re the most guilty of hating on everyone who isn’t RSD or buying into their new ‘mindset’. They openinly ridicule the ‘man in the furry hat’ and all who practise his method. Without that man in the furry hat though Tyler would still be KJing from his dorm in Canada, just another mASF wanna-be posting 24/7 in the hope he gets noticed. Well he did, and Style and Mystery made him.
Tyler’s got some great things to say, that’s for sure, just a pity none of it adds up to a consistent philosophy. Self-help guru?? He’ll never shake the community or his background. He’s typecast and kidding himself if he thinks his hodge-podge mish-mash of plagarised ideas will appeal to a more intelligent audience. So long as all you’ve read is a Manga comic then you’ll think Tyler an ‘intellectual’, he won’t cut it out with the bedrooms of community virgins and social losers.
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Final Review
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Well it took some time but I have finally finished the blueprint, listening to the last 4 cd’s back to back and going nearly insane in the process. lol. The Blueprint is very much a product where it’s whole is much greater than the sum of it’s parts.
It’s actually kind of ironic. It’s ironic that in a blog article that is dedicated to the flaws of RSD, that is dedicated to their tainted past — that I am reviewing the Blueprint, which to me turned out to be Tyler’s most genuine and real contribution to the world. It also turned out to be the opposite of all the things he is critisized for. At least in this moment in time — the time he was up on that stage — he truely shined as a person and a teacher, regardless of what his true motivations were for creating it.
Sure there were numerous sales tactics and hidden qualifications and lies to try to mend over bad business. Sure there was so much analytical fluff and filler talk that sometimes you just wanted to yell:
“Shut the fuck up and get to the point, IF THERE EVEN ISSSSS ONE FUCKER” (Sometimes there wouldn’t be)
Sure there were numerous times that Tyler would show you there is still a little narcisisist, a little nerd in him. Of course there were other times where he showed how natural and cool he is slowly starting to become — where he shows the progress he has made. He admits that it is a slow process.
Just listening to the program you could almost tell the difference between the real human being Owen cook, and the business man Tyler up there. Owen cook — is a pretty cool and genuine guy at this point, flaws and all.
The blueprint basically spreads the message that:
“The self is always shining through.”
and
“What if people can like me — just for me”
You know the age old advice of the various chicks out there:
“Just be yourself”
Tyler displayed all sides of himself up there during the program. The ones you like and the ones you don’t like. Take it or leave it, but at least during this seminar he walked his talk.
The blueprint teaches you how to just be yourself and still have success in life as well as with women.
It teaches you to rip down the walls of confinement that you created in yourself after finding the community — and to set you free.
The entire program comes together to give you the confidence and the understanding to really give it a serious thought, to dropping your game and just being in the moment with girls again — but without your mind getting in the way. To drop the armor you have built around yourself with your routines, tactics, structure, strategies — and just be able to say whatever or do whatever you want — for you. To be truely authentic for yourself, and be confident and be so happy to be that authentic person — that it draws others to you.
I have known naturals like this and it works, and though they seemed to have good game too — they broke a ton of rules as well and just seemed grounded — almost like the fact that they were confident and happy in themselves — that they were grounded … was what was causing them to have awesome game — NOT because they secretely were on the thundercat blog when I was at work — studying it up!! lol.
There are plenty of other methods out there that are easier to grasp and that can get you laid if you put in the time to go out and use them. You can eventually get them down and start to see some success. There is no denying that. As long as you can live with the rollercoaster life of being a button pusher, and relying on others reactions to it — you will be fine.
The blueprint is about more than that though. It’s about having success while also being true to yourself and authentic, and not feel you must live up to anything or entertain anyone or look to others for acceptance.
Tyler argues not only will you find success but you will actually be happy with yourself, authentic, and naturally congruent. Which will magnify your successes, but that the point of it is not success — it is about BEING.
By the end of the program when he has tied it all together in your mind, and it finally clicks together — you get a sense that Tyler, regardless of his motivations, is a genious and has just explained something in so much detail and related it all together in a way that can make sense in your mind and give you another option on how to go about this quest that we call life. An option that is not so much ego based — but self based.
Does he give you a view of the game of an F-16 pilot as he promises in his marketing?
Well that depends on how you look at it. What he is really giving you is the sign posts, a look within yourself. Only you can choose to walk this journey.
Was it worth the 20 hours I spent listening to it?
Probably. I would be a hater to deny it’s value. I am someone who has a lot of experience and knows the ropes — so I was able to understand what he was saying and relate with what he was saying on many many levels. To a newbie this might be something that tweaks their mind to the point they never want to hear Tyler speak again.
There were several times for me where things would click for me, and at the end where he tied it all together I got hit in the soul and my whole life just flashed before me — not many things I have listened to have done that for me.
Is it the answer to everything? Well not really — it’s just one answer — one thing — one way. A feel good way.
In the end I just chalk up the whole experience as ironic. Ironic that in a blog where we are discussing RSD’s imperfections that I review a product that is about imperfections — about NOT being perfect. A product about being perfectly unperfect.
-Mack Wild signing off.
erm is everyone really following Intime’s sarcastic suggestions on how to make this a 1000 comment page?
maybe everyone should not be allowed to post opinions about what they think should be right and wrong anymore.
Its like we are just making stuff up to get irritated at now.
We really do like to judge pple here.
If we all saw videos of each other it will be like
“i can hear in his voice at one moment that he is not totally secure as a person”
“When he spoke to that guy u could sense that he felt superior to him, and thats baad”
“When he turned his back u could feel that he would not be a person who who give to children in Africa”
“U can tell from the way he talks about his mother that his children will suffer and he will not buy them lollipops”
“from the way he grimaced when he saw that piece of cheese u can tell that he is a bad evil person that we should not respect”
“when u read his article on that forum u can tell that he is not really a person who is truly cool and is just a really smart chimpanzee”
HAHA WTF!!
we must be like in the middle of human evolution or something.
Thanks for that, Ice. Now this thread sucks just a little harder.
awww…..Mack Wild had his ABC After School Special moment where he “learned a lesson.”
Maybe he’ll learn to stfu instead of shooting off his mouth next time.
Too bad it cost him $600……….lol
Tyler put up a new article on his blog today:
http://realsocialdynamics.blogspot.com/
It answers all the most common questions about what they are teaching now, why they are teaching it, and all the questions people tend to ask along the way when it comes to this sort of thing.
The article was written as a responce to all the questions from the people who stood up and had the balls to ask questions that needed to be answered. Not only for themselves and their piece of mind — but for the best interest of the business. The fact this article was written is a reflection of people who were intelligent enough to bring up questions to them — and in the process it helps them to better understand their customer — which is good for any business to be profitable over the long run.
I commend those who brought up these questions and the RSD company for responding to them.
Anybody notice that Tyler’s facial hair creeps up way too close to his eyes? He looks like Michael J. Fox in the movie “Teen Wolf”
“The article was written as a responce to all the questions from the people who stood up and had the balls to ask questions that needed to be answered. Not only for themselves and their piece of mind — but for the best interest of the business. The fact this article was written is a reflection of people who were intelligent enough to bring up questions to them”
Dude people who are intelligent enough wouldnt have asked those questions in the first place.
ease up uga uga.
everyone learns at different paces and different styles. Most people try to teach in a way that everyone understands, but if it was so easy the whole world would be A+ students.
And so its common for people to sometimes lay blame on the teacher if we just don’t get it.
Even when we see someone who is stongly attacking something that we know to be obviously evident, we should just give some leeway
As we all know by now it happens very often in all parts of the world.
Whether its american idol or presidential elections there will be people with extreme emotions invested in what others will see as trivial.
Why we do this is probably a deeper psychological question. Maybe its part due to us overestimating our own opinions. We tend to feel that what we think at that particular moment must be pretty right.
well I think we can all respect each other now. at least understanding that it is not about good or bad
If everyone decides to just give each other a chance and just assume the best in everyone and forgo judging so much, we would not see each other as retards so much.
If tommorow some newbie starts a dating company and in 1 month is the most profitable company due to great marketing, sure we can say we feel that we do not agree that his stuff is the best, but are we able to not react emotionally to it? Not give ourselves negative feelings?
If we find it difficult to do then at least we know we still have work to do.
whats worse than hurting others is hurt ourselves.
good lord go away for a week and the thread whips outta control, whoever was raggin on ozzie, there is a difference between the belligerent drunk and the guy that is just fun to be around at a club. girls have the SAME OPTIONS at every damn place they go to, some dork with slacks and a button up/ jeans and a vintage t. who takes his sweet ass time to ball up and step up with the high hopes that he doesnt mess up.
i guarantee, if you just have fun and dance with lots of girls ( not just the hot ones) and you will see the opportunities open themselves up.
two guys chatting away will be seen 30 times in a club/ several clubs in a night/ several nights a week. ( especially the hotter ones, you think they go out once a week?) being playful and silly is just what works, i can’t say no more.
i used to open up with no structure just interview style, and got laid fairly regular but not the ones i really wanted, in hindsight i was chosen and not the other way around.
so i found MM and got numbers even dates but high rate of blow offs. found RSD and didnt care so much for their message cause i was already opening, conversing with ease but until i heard ozzie saying close the god damn thing out and dont be afraid to lose the girl, i just didnt get it. think of the Hollywood actors of the 30s,40s they stepped the fuck up and told the chicks after a lil rapport build to lets get outta here. Hollywood bs aside the truth was there.
if you flinch your outta here
BALLS GENTLEMEN……….
BALLS
women dont want to fucking wait for you to figure it out.
Ozzies closing bit is not for the relationship minded, its for the one nighter kinda guy. Girls want that fucking option to keep you around if you were a blast to be around.
a true one night stand done correctly should not have any stigma involved. afterwards from my successes, we traded numbers and drank some more and went at it agian,so if you cant close it out your making too big a deal in your own head. i suggest really going out alone and taking over sets.
worked for me
and all i can say is if your not out trying shit thats a lil uncomfortable, than why did you get in the community?
Here’s hoping that all that happens to you one day, Goose38.
uga uga uga uga drop it like its hot uga uga uga uga drop it like its hot — drop it like its hot — drop it like its hot.
OK all my guy friends:
Here are my guy friend fashion choices:
- designer jeans, TIGHT around the Buttocks
- nice black or brown shoes with pointy toe (pointed with small square toe is coming ino fashion, or those semi-sneaker “euro shoes” we call them (like Pumps)
- nice button down shirt or tight t-shirt, both usually with an interesting pattern, but solid colors are ok, especially black or white. Make sure you shave your chest as well
- necklace, prefereably a flower necklace
- silver toe ring ring or two
I am a fan of cock. If you want to stand up, wear one thing that really stands out, not a bunch of things. I would suggest shoes like Prince wears with high heals. I would also suggest a pedicure ..as men we need to have softer feet…they should be pampered. Also, if you are new to dressing fashionably, first learn to wear a dress…it helps harness your feminine energy. Also dress like the cool gays in the clubs, work on standing out . Start dressing more like a female..it works. Get the basics right then get a makeover like a a metrosexual. I suggest eyeliner and male lip gloss. I would also suggest getting your hair tinted like a blond.
Then later , stop by my place and we can try out my tacos with my special sauce and practice giving a backrub on each other so we can get in touch with out inner male female sex frives. Metrosexual is the way to go, but I still admire real hairy men like Gunwitch…I love Gunwitch!!!
Chaco is the name Jeffy goes under in the gay community.
jeffy and I listen to Enya on occasion. he’ll stop by and we will lay together on my waterbed naked and compare tan lines. Then we will gobble our male energy , then jeffy complains and says that routines are “faggotry”…then we will make some more tacos with my “special sauce”
Having just finished day one (~ DVDs 1-5)I must say that this program is solid stuff.
But it is not nearly as good as it was advertised to be… Its a lot of fundamental concepts that the community has been teaching for a long time now.
But to be fair. Tyler himself says that he is just building a fundament on day one. The real experience is yet to come.
Anyway I ll keep you (the guys who consider buying it) updated.
M