Breaking News: Real Social Dynamics Still Sucks Ass
February 19, 2008 by Thundercat
Filed under Rants & Reviews
So the other night, I’m minding my own business when I get an Instant Message from Donovan over at the Seduction Chronicles. He asks me to check out this post where someone other than me finally takes RSD to task.
Now, I know I get a lot of flack for ragging on the Real Social Dickweeds over there in the magical world of PUA-land where Tyler and his minions continue to drink the cool-aid about how they rule and everyone else sucks, so I was happy to see that I’m not the only one being vocal about it anymore.
(Just to be fair, nearly every major PUA I know talks shit about Tyler and crew, but they don’t do it publicly. That distinct pleasure seems to be reserved for yours truly.)
So my first reaction to this post was – it went too easy on these guys.
Now, most of what I’m going to write here is directed primarily at Tyler and Papa, since they pretty much are RSD. All the other guys – Jlaix, Christophe, and anyone else I don’t know, I have no real problem with. They are just the most recent brainwashed minions to fall under the Tyler spell. So this in no way is meant as a criticism of them.
Getting back to it – the purpose of Donovan’s post was to talk about the mythical "Blueprint" which is now 4 years in the making. It’s basically a critique of Tyler’s teachings, and that reflects as to why the Blueprint is never coming out.
Now, RSD just released "The Blueprint Exposed," or whatever the heck their next lame product is. But make no mistake about it – it’s just the same old recycled Tyler crap you’ve always gotten from him.
The biggest complaints I hear directed towards my criticisms of the RSD boys and their teachings is that I’m "jealous" or "petty" because they "won’t hang out with me" or that we had some type of falling out because Tyler didn’t want to write articles for me any more.
Make no mistake about it – that’s not true. I used to consider these guys friends, and I kept quiet about my concerns with Tyler and crew for a long time after that relationship deteriorated (this happened around the time the boys were all ganging up against Mystery in Project Hollywood).
The thing that made me go public with my criticism of RSD was the deluge I got from people who took their workshops and felt they got scammed. Before long, I was getting too many of these emails and bad reviews to ignore.
Then came the evidence that RSD was putting inexperienced instructors into the field to teach paying customers stuff they could not even do themselves.
Finally, there was the "Deep Throat" who sent me private messages from RSD’s instructor’s message board specifically outlining how they planned to trick workshop students into thinking they improved in their workshops when really it was just a trick for inexperienced instructors to make the poor student feel good without having to actually deliver results (and therefor not deliver a refund).
All that combined, I felt the need to speak out, because my personal experiences with these guys has never been anything but bad. Papa is a sociopathic liar, and so is Tyler – Tyler is just more charismatic and better at hiding it than Papa is. And neither of them really care about anyone other than themselves – so you can add a healthy dash of narcissism in there for good measure.
Now, I know what you’re thinking: "Thundercat, what does this have to do with pickup? Why are you hating? Negativity sucks. Blah, blah, blah."
Well, this actually has a LOT to do with pick up, since these are guys that students look up to and follow. These are also guys who have the power to REALLY mess people up.
The reason I’m writing about this is really because the focus on Donovan’s post was about the teachings of RSD. Well, let me say this right now:
THE TEACHINGS WORK.
That is how they are able to stay in business. If you follow the
instructions that these guys lay out for you, chances are you will get
results.
Now, you may feel shocked that I say this, but it’s true. The
teachings are good! However, the reason they are good is because – THEY DID NOT COME UP WITH THEM.
Tyler is what you get when you breed a leech with a sponge. No one
freakin’ cared who Tyler was until he started hanging out with
Mystery. Then, all of a sudden, Tyler starts posting about his "super
uber crazy skillz" on mASF – which is all stuff he learned from
Mystery, but Mystery never bothered to post publicly about, and he starts getting props.
Then, Tyler starts learning Speed Seduction. Now he’s down with
manipulation and mind control in addition to routines and peacocking. Okay, cool.
After that, he starts teaching his own workshops and gets the whole
"hero worship" thing going. (Another thing he got from Mystery)
Then, he moves into Project Hollywood and studies Neil Stauss’ every
move. And for those of you who pay attention, this is when RSD was in
their hey-day.
He then starts taking things from gifted co-horts of his, Like
PlayboyLA, Sickboy, and Twenty-Six, and passing them off as his own.
Keep in mind, this is all taking place in the 2004-2005 time frame.
Why is this relevant?
Simple – because THIS is the time when Tyler announces he is writing THE BLUEPRINT. The supposed end-all-be-all of pick up.
And then something incredible happens…
EVERYONE DITCHES TYLER!!!
Mystery excommunicates him. Ross refuses to hang with him. Style
thinks he’s a prick and a phony. Even the people who were closest to
him – Playboy, Sickboy, and Twenty-Six – all see he’s a sociopath and
move as far away from him as they can get.
People stop posting their ideas on Mystery’s Lounge because Tyler keeps ripping them off and passing them off as his own.
Then, the cracks in their organization begin to surface, the bad reviews start to come out, and what do they do?
THEY CUT THEMSELVES OFF!
They stop participating in the community. They stop posting on mASF.
They only do stuff on their website, their blog, and their newsletters
because that’s the only way they can manipulate what gets out about
them.
But something else happened when they retreated into RSD-land…
TYLER RAN OUT OF PEOPLE TO STEAL FROM.
Notice how little innovation has come from TD since the actual,
TALENTED gurus, such as Mystery, Style, and Playboy, stopped hanging
out with him?
Trust me: This is not a coincidence.
Tyler has always been very good at co-opting other people’s ideas and
making them seem like his own brilliance. But Tyler is just a
charismatic snake-oil salesman. He is repackaging stuff that better
PUAs teach, and passing it off as his own.
Even newer products like "Transformations" is a rip off of the
behavioral stuff Dr. Paul has been pioneering. And don’t think a lot
of TD’s latest offerings haven’t been poor-man versions of stuff Brad P
came up with.
Like I said – their teachings work – but not because of them. In fact, it is DESPITE them that they work!
All RSD is, is an organization designed to do 2 things…
1. Make money
2. Inspire mindless loyalty in their students.
Oddly enough – this business model is even ripped off from Ross
Jeffries, who, for once, is actually RIGHT when he says someone stole
something from him!
These guys DO NOT CARE about students. Their goal – with their
products AND their workshops – is to fool students into feeling good
enough that they won’t ask for their money back, without having to
deliver any actual results.
And this is the reason why the actual Blueprint will never be released
- because Tyler has run out of the best people to steal from, so he has
a hard time writing this stuff down because he can’t analyze and break
down what better PUAs are doing before they popularize their techniques
first.
All you’re going to see from Tyler and crew from here on out is the following:
1. Products based on seminars where they give away 0% content but make you feel really good for watching it.
2. Workshops designed to excite people without evoking any real change or results.
3. Fun videos that display Tyler’s charismatic personality to make you
like him, without ever really showing you how freakin’ sociopathic he
is.
4. Long, rambling posts and field reports that are either completely made up, or completely ripped off from someone else.
Trust me – if it wasn’t for the fact that they somehow weaseled their
way into almost all of David D’s products, these guys would have been
out of business long ago, because they aren’t innovators. They are not
originators. They are rip-off artists and fakes. (Again, this is
aimed at Tyler and Papa, not others in the RSD crew. They may be just
as bad as Tyler, but history shows that the people TD and Papa surround
themselves with are actually much more talented than they are.)
So before people go off half-cocked and tell me I’m a loser who’s just
spouting negativity for no good reason, I think you guys have to look
long and hard at how these guys and their past actions have played out.
1. They’ve stopped innovation because all the innovators have stopped hanging out with them.
2. Everyone who used to like them now hates them and wants nothing to do with them.
3. They have a business model based around self-gain and deception.
4. They isolate themselves because they have a narcissistic need to manipulate and control all information about them (something the Nazi government was very good at, as well).
5. They threaten to sue anyone who actually dares to speak ill of them and expose the truth.
If there is anyone out there reading this who has signed up for an RSD
product or workshop, or is thinking about it – trust me, you would be
better off with almost ANY other seduction course or guru out there,
with the exception of Ross Jeffries.
In my humble opinion, there are two companies you should never, ever, EVER buy or learn anything from, and they are:
1. Real Social Dynamics
2. Speed Seduction
So who should you learn from? Well, check out my Top 10 list. Those guys are the REAL DEAL. Check them out for yourselves.
Okay, rant finished. Now let the flaming begin!
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Hey Can He Live,
“why so quick to silence Mack Wild?”
Well, for one thing, he’s saying things that even he doesn’t believe. Thundercat made a huge accusation that RSD hasn’t changed a bit since 2003, and made 0 progress. Anyone who’s been on the RSD board or blog or gotten a single product is aware that there have been HUGE changes since the routine game glory days. Mack Wild knows this, yet he said Thundercat is totally right on all his points.
Mack Wild also said the Game is completely correct in its portrayal of Tyler. How in the world would he know this? It’s just speculation.
Mack Wild also said that Tyler delayed the Blueprint and did not extend the 30 day guarantee. There is no record of RSD ever saying this.
All in all, with the brainwashing and conspiracy accusations this is just a disgruntled customer that wants revenge for being kicked off a forum where he disrespected all the key people and spewed negativity. It was obvious he was going to get banned. I’m just surprised it took so long.
If you want to know the real scoop on Tyler, read his his blog, look at the forum, listen to the free 2 hour audio, and borrow one of his products.
You will not see anything but pure dedication to helping his students. I do not agree with some of his marketing tactics, but then again, I don’t agree with some of the marketing tactics for TMM, VA, Juggler, and just about anyone else. These are all companies run by humans who have errors in judgment.
–Dan
Notice how quickly his message and tone changed from the last post to this one? That is what RSD is teaching. I think the clash between his first post and this second one speak for itself.
C-U-L-T
They don’t teach you how to get better with women, they just teach you to be close minded.
Also I will just say that I have spent a long time on the RSD forum, most of my posts were positive, anything painted as negative is always something that doesn’t agree with the cult-like culture there. For instance bringing up any questions about the ethics of RSD is “negative”.
The comment I made to Ozzie was based off of a thread he created that he acted as if it was “groundbreaking”. The title of the thread? Playful and friendly. When he responded by “agreeing” that it was simplistic and nothing new, I told him that I enjoyed his work.
Yea they have some good programs but they are basically just hype and mental masturbation. It’s just a “feel good” pill. No practical direction, any attempt to get any direction or true answers is “negative”.
I have had countless conversations with Tyler himself and some of the other instructors, and I have seen things on that forum that would blow your minds. If all I wanted was to get “revenge” I could go into all those things, I won’t do that. It’s just beating a dead horse. I think most people outside of RSD get the idea about RSD. I just hope that those inside of it end up getting out of it a fraction of what the hype is.
Here is a comment from Tyler on the blueprint delay (only posting it because Dan is trying to call me a liar, make up your own minds):
Uhhhhh, thanks for all the support guys. Much appreciated.
Yeah we did this as a big scam to fuck people on the money back guarantee. We got cold feet that The Blueprint really sucked and wouldn’t deliver so we figured to just “take advantage of a legal loophole” and fuck everybody. It’s all a big conspiracy.
Maybe put yourself in the shoes of a new entrepreneur who just lost countless thousands of dollars that would have been spent on this forum, improving RSD, etc etc.
Naaah, forget it, just bitch like we’re fucking Walmart or something.
Dudes, I put backup measure after backup measure into this shit. We get the highest paid dudes to handle everything from top to bottom.
In fact, in order to put out the $250,000 (now $300,000+ after this fuckup) to create this, we had to do the “Holiday Special” to keep the company going.
So obviously we had to ship this motherfucker as soon as possible to avoid going tits up. The date should EASILY have been able to have been made, except that the fucking camera crew wasn’t paid by their boss who they’d worked with for 8 years and then protested by withholding the footage (threatening to bootleg it if their boss didn’t pay up), then they refused to edit it so we had to bring in new editors who fucked it up and we had to get it RE-EDITED at the expense of many thousands more, then the idiot authoring/mastering guy went and fucked this up because supposedly the new HD technology messed up his system.
I haven’t exactly had great month, in case you haven’t noticed by the lack of blog posts due to the fact that I’m in over my head here. I had so much anxiety I got extreme sick and then had to continue the work 20 hour pre-launch days for a week leading up, in which at one point I passed out unconscious and smashed my head on the ground.
So anyone who has any issues with this, especially after I’ve personally apologized and I’m flying into Los Angeles to do a free seminar for everyone despite a measily 7 day delay — return the product and have no dealings with RSD ever again.
Thanks.
Tyler
__________________
With the 7 day delay that gives people who ordered the blueprint as of Febuary 14th (when it became availuable to buy) under a week to view the program and make a decision if it is worth it. The 30 day money back gaurentee reduced to a few days to make a decision.
Rsd is the only company who lets people order products that arnt even availuable to be shipped yet. Usually there is a 2 week waiting period. With blueprint it is 3 weeks. I really hope the blueprint is what it’s been hyped up to be for these people.
So that’s it. End of story — Dan you probably should have let it go after your first post bud.
yaaaay more hate. haha some pple are so emotional here.
almost all the companies have customer service that is worse than RSD and we still have pple complaining. haha love it
its even better when they arent the ones who have purchased anything.
i belive that Venusian Arts is the best. cause its obvious. they are the best. Its got Mystery, best method in the world.
It may not be true but what i think is obviously right.
SO im right. just like everyone else is.
Just get big guys….get really popular and we are gona bring u down. cause I haaate u unless u agree with me.
uve got to be a humble polite boy when ur in PU business or when u get popular or im gona post shit about u. SO WATCH OUT !
What I don’t get is how a bootcamp’s supposed to have such a big effect on your life when Tyler says in Transformations it takes years of working on yourself to see a return. Are the bootcamps worth it or not then? And what are they teaching in them if there’s nothing practical to teach? The majority of the guys who take them seem to be KJs doing their first approaches and attributing it to the instructors if they get good reactions. Like they could’ve found that out without paying four figures for someone to point at a group of women and say ‘go open them’.
The forum’s a joke these days. There is no useful info on it it’s just a bunch of chodes writing up crap on Eckhart Tolle and anything else but get off their computer and go approach. They’re all kidding themselves that they ‘get it’ and are part of some community elite. Time was you actually had to have field time, at RSD you just need to read a few books and post a couple of validation-seeking threads on your ‘nimbus’ and you’re a new man. It’s the ultimate KJ farm. They don’t want told to go out and actually meet people, they just want more product to basically tell them they’re fine as they are right now – so why bother when you know you’re a ’10′ already? RSD panders to the chodes more than any other company.
Exactly dude exactly. The forum is filled with KJ’s and college kids. People go on the site to waste time, post nonsense, and play psychologist to make themselves feel superior for a change. It’s pretty pathetic. Once in a while you will get a post of value, but then you find out it’s from some virgin guy who is on the computer all day and just got done reading Tylers blog.
Oh and for the record I have nothing against college kids, but the fact is if you can’t get laid in college by just being there and acting horny, then you have problems. That’s why RSd is big with the college crowd, their advice actually will work for college kids that have any bit of coolness in them already.
AHAHAHAHHAHAA I JUST GOT MY BLUEPRINT DVDs.
Mystery, Ross Jeffries, Style and all these other non-factors are now truly irrelevant.
PUA is now over.
RSD has won. It’s over.
Did they ban you again prime wild?? It was just about time. That shit about your post being positive and having value?? come on you are not fooling anyone you should read yourself from time to time. No wonder you recoiled again to hating RSD.
lol.
Look at this shit!
I have RSD brainwashed minions coming after me now. The post that got me banned was only up for about 3 minutes. Theres no way you even saw it, so there is no way you can deduct what value it had. In fact I never said it had value. I said it asked for the truth. Apparently I got a little too close to the truth and instead of being open and honest about it, RSD just decided that I knew too much and had to be disposed of.
I can sit here and trade blows with some of the more juvinille and insecure minions of RSD, but Id rather drench myself in gasoline and jump through a hoop of fire.
^ SEE FOLKS, this is what happens when the PAINBODY takes over a chode.
LOLOLLL. QQ MORE.
PS. Blueprint is awesome.
I can tell you all firsthand what the RSD business plan is. By default it will actually help some guys in certain situations to get laid more or to lead them to discover information that can lead to a more fulfilling life. There is no doubt companies out there that have much less value, I will admitt.
At the end of the day though, the fact that RSD looks to impose the view upon it’s members that it is above everyone else, is despicable because they are not. There are many people out there, like Style and Wayne to name a few, that are more interested in you finding TRUE success in your lives. That genuinely are trying to help you.
Rsd got a bad wrap with their bootcamps. They realized that in order to generate business after their names were exposed by bad press, that they had to go a different direction. The book played them off as copycats and robots and user comments showed their bootcamps to be lazy, juvinille, and just to get money with no respect for the student. They had to clean up their image or go out of business.
Tyler comes from a background of being hungry at times, and has dealt with much adversity, he will do anything and fuck over anyone to keep that from happening again. He may be many things, but he is somewhat brilliant, even if it doesn’t pay off for his students .. it pays off for him.
He rightly figured out that if he can get out some products and a website and find the right message, that he could make a comeback. He started to study the guys that were beloved in the community like Style (although since AM he is not so admired) and Juggler. He also studied some of the more sound in the head people to learn how to come off better and be less transparent, feedback that style made clear he needed to improve on.
Basically what manifested was a switch in direction from outer game to inner game. Them copying the mystery method wasn’t exactly getting them marvelous results, as was reported by students that felt ripped off at their boot camps. A change in direction would spark new interest. Tyler is a philosopher, so he knew he could sell products with him rambling on and on about a bunch of stuff that really adds up to nothing that solid at the end of the day.
One thing to his credit is he can certainly inject a feeling of false confidence in his followers, which can have the potential to help with getting lucky from time to time — if you have enough knowledge in sound game to back it up, sometimes even without that, if your in the right place at the right time.
At first to keep people coming to the site Tyler and others would say they are not dissing the community, routines, techniques, or structure. In fact the first product called foundations gives a loose structure based off of the mystery method but spun in a more natural way.
In time though Papa and Tyler being the businessmen they are figured out that to continue to endorse competitors views would cause users to continue to pour their money into their competitors instead of just them.
Once they started to fix their reputation and their site started to take off, they went more and more in the direction of ripping off the inner game guys both inside and outside of the community, while putting their own spin on it. Usually the RSD spin comes in juvinille form that will appeal to their target market (frat boy mentality). For instance Jeffy tells guys to go to girls houses that they barely know, jump in their beds, and say “time to fuck”. Hardly sound game. They encourage you to do very bold over the top things, I guess it’s to prove your a man or something — again — hardly sound game. So they take an inner game message and then add a juvinille spin on it to appeal to their audience. It’s ALL about money to them, not doing whats most likely to be successful with women. Rsd has always had a way of taking great information from others, and then processing it through their fucked up lense and passing it onto others.
The main goal is to make the students feel that they are bettering their lives and helping their confidence, while throwing in enough curveballs so that they wont truely find any increase in skill level, and thus have to buy the “next” product.
If you look at their products they tend to clash against eachother as well. They create a problem, and then the next product aims to solve that problem, but only leads to create another problem.
This is their strategy for success — their “blueprint”.
They now totally disown any community chatter that is not rsd. Any mention of anyone else in the community outside of rsd either has the thread deleted or locked. The names are automatically astericked out. The user is usually banned if he questions anything. Any talk that has any sort of community ring to it, is looked down upon in general.
Around the time of a launch for any of their products, new mysterious members show up boasting a ton of hype around the product, and the teachers suddenly show up with numerous posts, ganging up and aggressively pushing the product as the magic bullet. Anyone with any questions or concerns are persuaded aggressively and challenged – usually in very intelligent but somewhat transparent ways. Then later after they have profited, they make fun of those same people who have the magic bullet mentality, a mentality that they themselves brainwashed them into having.
Spend enough time with RSD and you see how hypocritical of a company it truely is.
There is no doubt that Tyler can talk for hours about nothing and make it interesting, and you can come away from a product feeling very empowered in your mind, but when you go out in the real world and the advice doesn’t necessarily manifest, don’t come to them asking for solutions — that makes you negative — that makes you a chode.
I will not sit here and say that I did not see gains in my game from some of their concepts. Concepts that even they dont always seem to follow. The problem with a lot of their concepts is that they are based on being in state or having a certain mood. For instance the concept of being “unreactive” is a real feel good thing that makes you feel empowered, but it’s just not something that can define you, there are going to be times where anyone is going to be reactive to something, that’s what makes you human.
The fact that RSD tried to put off this vibe that they are above everyone else and the community is laughable. They teach concepts that they learned from other people, like the people who came up with psychocybernetics, or Anthony Robbins — once in a while they will give you an old school community line, or a silly line like “I like lizards” (a ripoff of Jugglers “I like salad”) So they are a great hand me down resource I guess.
When it comes down to it though, RSD is trying to teach you concepts about how to be a normal, natural, down to earth human being — but in their core they dont know the first thing about being a human being. They are just robots copying everything else and looking to make as much money they can at everyone elses expense.
Mostly what you learn from their forum is how to be aggressive, juvinille, and bold — and then how to be insanely self rightous.
There are many companies and people out there that you would be much more likely to be wasting your money on in this community product wise, but to try to act above the rest in any way shape or form, is just ridiculas — and the fact that they have a good number of blind brainwashed followers, is only evidence of how good at manipulation they have become. Good for them, that’s fine. Everyone needs to make a buck, but it’s one thing to be in it for money — and then it’s totally another to try to act as if your above everyone else on top of it.
If they had nothing to hide they would have addressed my very fair and balanced post with a balanced and normal answer. Instead they banned me because I simply knew too much. I never projected anything onto them either, I just articulated my confusion and asked for a straightforward answer.
Well now I cant be censored can I? Now I am not being as polite as I was on their forum. Basically Thundercat has it mostly right. He goes a bit off the deep end and shows he is a little ignorant in some categories in regards to RSD, but basically he has it pretty much right.
That’s all I have to say on this now, it’s time for me to move on to better things…
I hope that the blueprint finally rights the ship for these guys. I truely do hope deep down that Tyler can sleep at night, and that he can some day become the person he seems to appear to strive to be, as well as the entire company in general.
Oh and one last thing
LOLWITCH:
Don’t make me come over there and painbody your chode broseph.
lol Mackwild…
looks like you aren’t getting results.
if you were getting laid heaps with RSD or MM methods, you wouldn’t be bitching so much about how RSD haven’t fixed you.
looks like its time to get back to the field.
cya there
I think my FR’s speak for themselves, obviously you have somehow missed the entire point of my posts, and that’s ok, not everyone was blessed with a lot of braincells. I still love you.
I prefer Razorjack’s FREE method in mASF archive anytime … best FREE natural method by far…
Now I know why he never thought to commercialize his method
Inner game in 95% of seduction… live with it uber KJ’s
hahahahaha
Ok this entire site is getting really old really fast.
If you read any of razorjacks field reports it’s pretty damn obvious that the dude runs straight up MM style stuff, the attitude, the lines, the thought process — everything. He may have come up with some post about a natural method but the guys field reports dont seem too natural to me, pretty much in line with the norm for the community.
Later guys — it’s been real — it’s been fun — it hasn’t been REAL fun — but then again this is a flame lovers site soooo the expectations weren’t too high in the first place.
Guys, I purchased the blueprint and it cost me around 600. Now, thats fuck all compared to a whole lot of other stuff on the market. MoM, AM and just about every other seminar is bound to set you back over a grand and even the RSD seminars are heavily priced.. I personally wouldn’t pay that much money for anything that couldn’t drop to its knees and give me the best blow job ide ever experience whilst doing my taxes and not compromising my heterosexual needs similtaniously.
Secondly, Anyone who goes to a certain method and says ‘This is the way over other forms of PU’ IS A FUCKING IDIOT (this includes RSDoids). It is true that there are no real rules to pickup, learn what you can from all over the place and inter grate it if it works..thats the bottom line. However, The thing which RSD is really good with..is inner game. I still use openers and other stuff ive found on the net, like disqualifiers, Storytelling principles, etc. But my inner game is now tight as shit thanks to articles by people like tyler. I personally have never seen inner game posts more awesome than Tylers and people like David D, Grungey and Swingcat (and they’re just the ones that pop into mind)
Basically, I bought blueprint because if it can summarize a whole world of awesome and destruction of social conditioning (which is a notable plague of my life)at an affordable price then I say fuck yeah.
Finally, It makes sense to aim for a level where you are naturally attractive to women..to ultimately become like the legendary Natural, to have a personality and inner game that is so awesome it just radiates in your voice, but at the same time if thats what RSD is teaching in its bootcamps it could get a little tricky for the customer because ultimately that shit takes time.
Without all other materials and skills that the people of RSD and the like have learnt over the years…doing ‘whatever the fuck you want’ just turns into being an AFC again for most guys. Thats where the failure occures bitchez
hey guys.
many pple don’t realize they can get nuts just by arguing here all the time.
Yes some pple find it funny antagonizing mac-wild, and yes in a few years he will come here thinking . WOW did i really post all this crap? Was my mind so turbulent that i would get this adrenaine rush from trying to prove my point?
But yes pple actually do “enjoy” such feelings.
It seems to happen to so many people doensn’t it? And everyone else can feel their slight pain and anger when they do things like that.
Sometimes the ego just gets hurt, who knows who are the moderators that banned mack-wild. Ok from our posts here we can see why but we can also see why his ego will be hurt by such an action.
Such students in this community are very common. Haha i guess a psychology major can come on here and post all the mental processes behind this.
But mac-wild posted on the RSD forum some opinions and some questions. People ask questions when they don’t know the answer, he did not understand so he asked the questions. All because some pple find it obvious or simple doesnt mean everyone else gets it. And i guess it was difficult for mack-wild to understand certain things because maybe he felt RSD were devalidating some things he really believed in.
When someone influential in a topic goes against certain beliefs you have, the natural instinct is just to prove urself right or have that person convince u utterly that you are wrong. I guess they didnt mnage to help mack-wild. It will be admittedly difficult for us to convince mack-wild now.
If only he knew Tyler wasn’t devalidating anything in their foundations program and that everything mack-wild was doing was still relevant, mack-wild would have been soothed and his ego would have felt ok.
Im sure we can find pple hating on obama, clinton, or mccain just as easily, they will be just as passionate, and their minds will feel just as tortured.
Do you realize why you think the way you think?
we think being right will make us feel better, too bad we can only convince ourselves most of the time.
Mack-wild is gona read this page everyday and continue posting because he has become addicted to this feeling. He will have to revalidate himself with each post u guys make trying to make fun of him. And he will reply to this as well. But we shouldnt take pleasure in such things….hmm
“Hahahaha! What did we say?
Are you starting to understand now? It wasn’t hype. None of it. It was all true, every word.
Ah, you’ll all find out soon enough.
~ Ciaran”
LOLOLL, tis true. RSD is the revolution. No more usage of “Seducing”, “Picking-Up”, all these gay little terms started by a gay little magician. It’s simply BE now. ROFL.
Yeah, because you can believe every word Ciaran says…
^ I KNO AMIRITE?
You are either a hater or an idiot, but the Blueprint is already in homes and it has lived up to the hype. I’m on disc 5 so far, and it’s completely blown me away.
This is history in the making. Grats Tyler.
SO STFU, LOL.
well people in general have no shame in being wrong. If something fits their beliefs, they will go through pain and debate to try and hold on to it.
many people have tried to explain to people like mack-wild aka ) in a way that hopefully they can understand.
basic concepts. like baaasic. simple. like obvious “what goes up comes down” truth, and WE FAIL. Its not easy, its not always someones fault when they cannot grasp something that you find a no brainer, so someone like him just seemed to be immensely dense and pretty negative. Trust me, they wont see it. If u argue, u could win and they wont see it.
Its like all 3 judges on american idol telling u ur a crap singer, there are certain crappy fellas that have so strong a belief that they can sing cause they know a few pple who think they can. Some of them have such a strong belief that they could be humiliated on television and yet spin it in a way that makes themselves feel right.
Humans arent all that bright. but hell we don’t mind. WE will fight till we die for the right of being wrong.
WE will make statement on US KNOWING WHAT IS TRUE. I KNOW HOW U THINK. I KNOW HOW SOMETHING WILL PAN OUT. I KNOW WHAT IS MORALLY RIGHT. I KNOW WHAT I AM FEELING IS REASONALBLE. FEELING THIS WAY IS NORMAL.
And once we learn the principles behind our mind. We finally know we know JACK SHIT.
Its obvious that RSD will have haters cause they are among the biggest and most popular. Their forum aint the biggest for nothing. SO when ur up there u almost deserve ur shit. No pity for them right
By the way in case anyone hasn’t already figured it out — that’s Tyler under aliases that he feels will definately disguise him. I can spot the writing style from a mile away.
Look
Case in point I made the posts I did to back up Thundercat on this. I am hardly a big fan of the guy but I understand the type of stuff he knows, and I understand the type of mentality that Style wrote about it the game. There are some very twisted and narcisistic people over at the RSD camp, and some of their followers fit in very well with that.
Believe what I have said, don’t believe what I have said. A lot of you probably don’t even give a damn about what I have said. It’s all fine. It’s for the people who actually give a damn about things that are pretty well underated in this community, like integrity, self respect, authenticity, walking the talk — you know, the stuf that actually REALLY gets you ahead in real life.
Chow
“You are either a hater or an idiot, but the Blueprint is already in homes and it has lived up to the hype. I’m on disc 5 so far, and it’s completely blown me away.”
That’s a lot of time in front of your screen then. Glad you took 5mins to KJ here in between and give us your valued opinion. That mind blowing stuff that Tyler talks about is the sort of thing that can happen if you turn off your TV, shut down your PC and go out the front door.
Exactly bro
These guys are for the most part a joke. A bunch of mental masturbators. There are a few natural guys on the site that post to give back. I use to type up quality FR’s there and very little replies. They toss around advice like they have a PHd but the minute someone gets laid they hate on them, and you will see one poster who has all the answers to life one minute and the next day he has a post about how he never gets laid or that displays some sort of hypocracy towards the advice he already gave.
90 percent KJ’s and mental masturbaters.
Truth is, I know I myself have been a KJ at times in my life, but I get out there all the freakin time, and I am not dilluded enough to think that to get a woman you must “transform” and become the perfect person.
Nuff said.
-everytime I look at that product advertisement, I can’t help but think that DYD said it first and in many ways, better.
Relisten to inner game portions of DYD, and decide for yourself.
-2nd, wasnt “blueprint” in referral to hitting HER blueprint. Finding out HER specific triggers?
I’m confused. What does it mean now?
Blueprint of a natural?
what I DO like about RSD was there old “fight club,” Project mayhem style. GET out, GET BOLD, and get results. Your not special, we all have fears, build a bridge, get over it, and move on.
They dont do this much. The way it appears to me as a consumer, (and there is much value in this so i hope they appreciate it)
is that they try and micromanage the perception of what RSD is, as OPPOSE to going everywhere “not giving a fuck” and doing what you set out to do.
(i bet papa is gonna take this info and say he already knew that and began to implement it) lol
Before they used to make every appearance possible, because of the love of teaching. NOw, they wont even acknowledge the existence of the community (mother to all in-field PU services)
Prolly because what was written in “the game” wasnt all false. So they had to apologize more than teach. I say this with some confidence b\c not once have i heard them say, “what he wrote was bullshit” OR defend themselves in ANYWAY.
They just let themselves take the punches.
But maybe there is still life yet, in this dying AMOG battle.
See what i mean when I say pple have no shame in being wrong???
Its like hmm ill make this accusation, if I’m wrong, well that does not make me an idiot because i thought about it before i wrote.
Yeah unless Tyler is in holiday in Australia at the moment and that is why ive got an aussie IP address and srvice provider.
Oooh mack-wild ur sooo smart. We really should stop picking on him, hes really going to be obssed with this one page.
If only some people here already didnt read all those lousy posts that mack-wild posted in forums. How do u expect pple to back you up when u seriously were extremely clueless? As well as resistant, rude, negative and obsessed as you are now?
OK we are just taking advantage of the fact that mack-wild has snapped and is going to reply to everything we say now. we really should stop using this as entertainment.
OOOH mack-wild figured it out. I the busy Tyler myself have come to talk with the famous mack-wild in the great blog. NOOOO maybe I am another famous instructor, here to debate the famous mack-wild.
sorry for the obvious intended puns. just couldnt help it. I’m still working on the Zen shit. I’m still an egoic fella at the moment. Forgiiive me.
“By the way in case anyone hasn’t already figured it out — that’s Tyler under aliases that he feels will definately disguise him. I can spot the writing style from a mile away.
Posted by: mack-wild | Mar 11, 2008 11:26:30 AM”
“By the way in case anyone hasn’t already figured it out — that’s Tyler under aliases that he feels will definately disguise him. I can spot the writing style from a mile away.
Posted by: mack-wild | Mar 11, 2008 11:26:30 AM”
Honestly I am tiring from the entire thing at this point. It was fun, but I am over my flu/cold for the most part, ready to get back to work tomorrow and hit the real world.
What I did was similar to what you just posted. I asked them (keep in mind i was an active member giving value for over a year and all of them had come to know me personally over that time) why it is they were going this radical with their direction, was it that the stuff truely wasnt working for them as the book said or was it to differentiate themselves? Why are they saying stuff they use to teach is not valid and bad. Thats what I asked. I got banned for it.
Personally the way I see it is that the number one problem for guys is approach anxiety. They get into this with all the right intentions but then they go out, get scared to push the comfort zone, and when they do push it they often overcompensate, take bad advice they got from forums or use poor technique ect. and then they search for more answers.
Tyler and company has found a way to expose AA and KJness — what better treat to a guy who wants an excuse not to change their identity and become a guy who interacts with women on a regular basis than to treat them to the endless candy and promise of evolving and becoming the perfect person. Then all women will love them. Then they will never have anything to fear again. No more rejection.
Thats what they are selling. They give guys the bold over the top radical idea’s so they can feel empowered. They can go out, do something totally wild and over the top — and feel all kinds of power surging through their body. So what if the girl rejects him because he is being a totally self centered prick — the guy feels like he is doing something to face his fears and progressing and can now invest in the next product that will FIX him — with more confidence.
It’s all kinda sad if you ask me.
Honestly at this point though I gotta say I am getting very tired of making fun of the whole thing. I am starting to feel bad for everyone involved, myself included. Mostly I feel bad for the guys I am disempowering by breaking down the scam they have fallen into. I also feel bad for the RSd company because despite thier evil ways, they are just trying to enjoy life and get ahead like anyone else — and some of the stuff they try to teach is actually some healthy stuff — it’s just too bad they dont always walk the talk themselves. I like the guys though, and I developed what i felt were some close friendships. So I dont want to expose or waste any more time on this. Right now in this moment, the only real asshole around here is me.
In fact before I leave this behind me for good, to try to balance out the dynamic I am going to leave you guys with this story:
Last summer I was in a pretty grim place. I had just had to move out from my pad in a small city that had at least some form of action, where I shared a place with various strippers and head back to a pittiful town. I had been there for a few months and things were not going well for me, I wasn’t happy.
I posted about my frustration, and Owen (Tyler) came and dropped like 3 or 4 responces to my thread that were detailed and long telling about his personal experiences in low points in his life, with not a lot of money, living in places he didnt want to be. He explained what he did about it, how he understood what I went through and what the REAL keys to getting out of a bad situation is and taking control of your life.
This wasn’t about making money, this wasn’t about exposing or manipulating someone. This was an example of the human side, the helping of another human being that is what keeps a lot of us involved in some degree in this community. It was the real life stuff.
He encouraged me to do something about the situation and detailed exactly what I could do. He gave me hope and it actually led to me relocating for the summer to a place where I earned a lot of money, met a lot of girls, ended up in a kick ass bachelor pad, made lots of new friends, and got to be around a lot of naturals that really had their shit together. It definately helped to make me see what is possible if you take action and go after what you want, instead of waiting for the day when you have the perfect life or personality or situation.
It was the real stuff. Tyler took time out of his day to give REAL value. That’s what this stuff is suppose to be about at the end of the day, that’s where this whole thing came from. Sure it’s more about exposing people and making money at this point, but there is still nuggets of gold and good in people out there to be had.
No one is eternally evil or bad or eternally good. Everyone has good things about them and bad things. Good moments and bad moments. We can only strive to look for the good in people, and accept the bad. If we choose to distance ourselves from certain behaviors and find the things that we want to be around to better our lives, to take action to better our lives, and accept the good with the bad — thats all we can every truely hope to strive for.
With love,
Mack wild
Ciaran’s still a prick though.
i dont think mack-wild, your beef is even with Tyler or RSD, its prob some moderator who banned you, Tyler or other instructors may not even know you got banned.
And im sure even though many people thought primetime seemed to find it difficult to understand certain things, many people did try to help.
Like u said, even your bad situation many people sympathized with and did all they could.
Its not that guys cant HAVE an opinion. But regarding the questions that guys needed answers to, they should understand that all because others understand a concept doesnt mean we can explain it to others in a way so that every single person gets it. So if we don’t fully grasp something, well so what??? Doesnt mean its not there. And doesnt mean we are any less.
The funny thing is that all the behaviour on this page from all of us are actually described on even the first 5 discs of the blueprint.
Its just like supplicating to a woman, once we understand it, it just seems so retarded. but if we dont, we would fight tooth and nail at one point to explain why we are actually only being nice and gentlemanly.
Almost anything can be argued upon, but hell how many of u know AFC’s that can’t even understand the simplest of concepts, and have a great time arguing with us, I think that shows us all of us too have opinions that are faulty that if we just KNEW MORE, we would understand why others just dont seem to understand why we dont get it.
Haha pple talk about Ciaran here like he is even an instructor. That dude is just some marketing guy.
Ciaran’s Jeffy’s poodle and cheerleader. It suits RSD to have him round right now, when it doesn’t they’ll jettison him. Don’t think they even pay him. It’s obvious he’s pretty unstable and a lot of his stuff is wack even for them. Guy seems to think he’s a close relation to God or something.
We all know that RSD is a bunch of douche bags so lets all move along, nothing to see here!
i love haters of ANYTHING!
Cause its like u automatically know they are retarded.auto weeding.
And when they have full blown hate for pple that they just cant stand having some kind of profile, thats even better, their psychology becomes painfully obvious.
Especially when the person has done some pretty good work. I used to love all those Tony Robbins haters and now eckhart tolle haters.
Oh there are even haters in football. Like Cristiano Ronaldo haters. chelsea haters.
Then of course there are politician haters. Like real passionate hate man.
and of course, PU gurus which some pple love to haate
always pple trying to save the world from them.
BUT THEY ALL THINK THEY HAVE THEIR REASONS. But it only happens to big guns. But thats the price of being good. We gota cut ur big poppy down.
I hate you.
Forgot about this thread for a while but came back and one post caught my eye.
To the guy above saying “dont threaten to beat peoples ass man, I got a lot out of your materials but this isn’t highschool”
The reason I do this, and ONLY do this on THIS site, is to illustrate what chickenshit beta-males RSD are.
In that for example, Jeffy posted that someone who called me out was an impersonator. Why clear it up if I am a fake who wont show up in real life anyplace like you have claimed?
HMMMMM perhaps because I have now, wont admit that though will ya, that you were fuckin wrong 100%, and I aint some 80 year old woman? I am me?
And I also do this for the REAL RSD posters here wont use their real names lol.
What kind of a cunt of a man do you have to be, to be afraid of me showing up at a meet and beating the shit out of you in the bathroom?
While yes I probably would do so, it aint a priority for me in life.
I merely illustrate the complete lack of confidence these anonymous posters have, who in my book, ARE RSD people, or there is NO way they would defend NOT YET RELEASED released products, I mean please lol, thats just common sense.
Mystery has dismissed me in rude attempts at online forum game, ross has called me names. I didn’t threaten them.
Online kook trolls have sued me for frivilous bullshit in attempts to get me to kill them becuase they don’t have the courage to commit suicide. I haven’t gotten riled up.
ONLY here though, can shitbirds use anonymous names like this, so I like to point out what cunts AT LEAST some of them promoting thier phantom products REALLY are.
Gun Gun Gunny Gun Gun
those products are released boss.
dun be so emotional man. look at u all emotional.
u dont’t have to prove urself to us dude.
I don’t think its having a positive effect. I dont see the any little boys lookin up to u, but of course its all their fault lousy fanboys.
But weve gota set a good example dude. like we at least gota pretend to have brain cells. ( i do a great job rite?
)
we all owe our skills to u and not mystery or rsd or some other young upcoming loser PU instructor.( do u know how many there are now?)
what can we do to appease ur loveliness?
Yes many of these PU companies have groupies, and you have none. But its ok man. dont worry about it, u wouldnt care about such little trivial nonsense.
YES YES ok ur stuff is super fantastic, the other humans which u dont like are baaad baaad men. they will never change. if they did u would be the first to know about it obviously.
unlike you, all sweetness and intergrity.
thats what we like bout u gunwitch, ur sexy that way. U KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT!
BTW why are so many big fat men prone to violence? what happens when we throw them into a mini little body or if we cut off a leg? hmmm….
Gun only beats bad bad men though.
Prayer below
“Dear lord please forgive me for coming to this gossipy blog and letting my ego take over. i know i should not be having fun at other pples expense. I promise to do penance tommorow. I also promise not to act like insecure PU gurus who says things that dont make sense and dont seem to mind always being wrong. I also promise to stop makin fun of them and droppin to their level.”
What’s this I have dug up? That’s right, it’s a dinosaur!
Look Gun Bro, and you know I love you like a brother…you’ll never be a cool money guy the way you are. Stop by and see us in LA and we will take you shopping on Melrose and hook you up with some cool digs. You can be a cool timber dude from the north, we’ll get you these white boots that go up to your knees with gold shoelaces bro…and orange and blue flannel shirt. We’ll develop a routine for you bro, a value creating story about you as some Paul Bunyan dude that takes on mountain lions and out of control drunk dudes from the Objibwa tribe or some shit.
You need to update if you want to compete like other cool money guys. It’s like this lawyer who’s girl I seduced..he was money , a cool guy like you, but he had threads man,…sharkskin and shit. Gun lets talk bro!
What the fuck’s happened to Jeffy between the Jeffy Show and the tour? All that bragging bout getting shape – dude looks 10x worse than he ever did, like he went to bed and aged 10yrs over night. I’ve seen healthier looking crack-heads. And lose the dumb fucking baseball cap. Reminds me of the bums you see shuffling through refuse.
hey gun, what about that ebook of yours
“One shoe on, one shoe off..THe Gunwitch way to a DYNAMIC Sex Life ”
Gunwwitch sex:
Drop your pants
take off one shoe
one sock
bang the women (presumably)
Hump her for two minutes
Pass out all sweaty
wake up later
Drink entire six pack
Just got done listening to some bits and pieces of the blueprint. Will be back with final impressions.
All I can say right now is that from the little I have listened to, it answered all the questions I had in regards to Tylers motivation. Everything I said totally sucked and was off, and there are only a few times that I have ever felt like more of a jackass than this moment right now in my entire life.
Ok finished the blueprint and it’s a great product. Did it alter my mind and make me go crazy? Nope. BUT it did make me see things in a whole different way. I do not know how they are in real life but there product are good.Fits with my way of thinking. All this on stealing from someone else. You can say the same of anyone trying to learn from anyone. Here is some first hand knowledge Gunwitch and to those that think they can fight.When you fight someone EVEN in self defense and you hurt the other person bad, the person who lost usually will call the police and make a statement he was attacked and since you look unscathed they police WILL assume you where the aggressor . EVEN though the other person later drops the charges YOU CAN STILL BE CHARGED. LEt me tell you prison is not a fun place to be.
Well I started to watch the blueprint, tried to give a detailed review on what was discussed so far but RSD banned my IP address on there.
I will give this site and others my final impression when I am done. So far there are no new insights just Tyler talking about the same concepts he has been for the last 4 years but in more detail. Sadly the details are not about the concepts in ways that can help us in the field or in the real world — but the added details tend to be him building his argument for why he says what he says. Again not even half way through this yet but to me the blueprint just seems like a product for people to buy who are like “I dont believe you Tyler .. looks do matter .. please convince and persuade me to believe that they dont”
hahaha persona non gratta