Breaking News: Real Social Dynamics Still Sucks Ass
February 19, 2008 by Thundercat
Filed under Rants & Reviews
So the other night, I’m minding my own business when I get an Instant Message from Donovan over at the Seduction Chronicles. He asks me to check out this post where someone other than me finally takes RSD to task.
Now, I know I get a lot of flack for ragging on the Real Social Dickweeds over there in the magical world of PUA-land where Tyler and his minions continue to drink the cool-aid about how they rule and everyone else sucks, so I was happy to see that I’m not the only one being vocal about it anymore.
(Just to be fair, nearly every major PUA I know talks shit about Tyler and crew, but they don’t do it publicly. That distinct pleasure seems to be reserved for yours truly.)
So my first reaction to this post was – it went too easy on these guys.
Now, most of what I’m going to write here is directed primarily at Tyler and Papa, since they pretty much are RSD. All the other guys – Jlaix, Christophe, and anyone else I don’t know, I have no real problem with. They are just the most recent brainwashed minions to fall under the Tyler spell. So this in no way is meant as a criticism of them.
Getting back to it – the purpose of Donovan’s post was to talk about the mythical "Blueprint" which is now 4 years in the making. It’s basically a critique of Tyler’s teachings, and that reflects as to why the Blueprint is never coming out.
Now, RSD just released "The Blueprint Exposed," or whatever the heck their next lame product is. But make no mistake about it – it’s just the same old recycled Tyler crap you’ve always gotten from him.
The biggest complaints I hear directed towards my criticisms of the RSD boys and their teachings is that I’m "jealous" or "petty" because they "won’t hang out with me" or that we had some type of falling out because Tyler didn’t want to write articles for me any more.
Make no mistake about it – that’s not true. I used to consider these guys friends, and I kept quiet about my concerns with Tyler and crew for a long time after that relationship deteriorated (this happened around the time the boys were all ganging up against Mystery in Project Hollywood).
The thing that made me go public with my criticism of RSD was the deluge I got from people who took their workshops and felt they got scammed. Before long, I was getting too many of these emails and bad reviews to ignore.
Then came the evidence that RSD was putting inexperienced instructors into the field to teach paying customers stuff they could not even do themselves.
Finally, there was the "Deep Throat" who sent me private messages from RSD’s instructor’s message board specifically outlining how they planned to trick workshop students into thinking they improved in their workshops when really it was just a trick for inexperienced instructors to make the poor student feel good without having to actually deliver results (and therefor not deliver a refund).
All that combined, I felt the need to speak out, because my personal experiences with these guys has never been anything but bad. Papa is a sociopathic liar, and so is Tyler – Tyler is just more charismatic and better at hiding it than Papa is. And neither of them really care about anyone other than themselves – so you can add a healthy dash of narcissism in there for good measure.
Now, I know what you’re thinking: "Thundercat, what does this have to do with pickup? Why are you hating? Negativity sucks. Blah, blah, blah."
Well, this actually has a LOT to do with pick up, since these are guys that students look up to and follow. These are also guys who have the power to REALLY mess people up.
The reason I’m writing about this is really because the focus on Donovan’s post was about the teachings of RSD. Well, let me say this right now:
THE TEACHINGS WORK.
That is how they are able to stay in business. If you follow the
instructions that these guys lay out for you, chances are you will get
results.
Now, you may feel shocked that I say this, but it’s true. The
teachings are good! However, the reason they are good is because – THEY DID NOT COME UP WITH THEM.
Tyler is what you get when you breed a leech with a sponge. No one
freakin’ cared who Tyler was until he started hanging out with
Mystery. Then, all of a sudden, Tyler starts posting about his "super
uber crazy skillz" on mASF – which is all stuff he learned from
Mystery, but Mystery never bothered to post publicly about, and he starts getting props.
Then, Tyler starts learning Speed Seduction. Now he’s down with
manipulation and mind control in addition to routines and peacocking. Okay, cool.
After that, he starts teaching his own workshops and gets the whole
"hero worship" thing going. (Another thing he got from Mystery)
Then, he moves into Project Hollywood and studies Neil Stauss’ every
move. And for those of you who pay attention, this is when RSD was in
their hey-day.
He then starts taking things from gifted co-horts of his, Like
PlayboyLA, Sickboy, and Twenty-Six, and passing them off as his own.
Keep in mind, this is all taking place in the 2004-2005 time frame.
Why is this relevant?
Simple – because THIS is the time when Tyler announces he is writing THE BLUEPRINT. The supposed end-all-be-all of pick up.
And then something incredible happens…
EVERYONE DITCHES TYLER!!!
Mystery excommunicates him. Ross refuses to hang with him. Style
thinks he’s a prick and a phony. Even the people who were closest to
him – Playboy, Sickboy, and Twenty-Six – all see he’s a sociopath and
move as far away from him as they can get.
People stop posting their ideas on Mystery’s Lounge because Tyler keeps ripping them off and passing them off as his own.
Then, the cracks in their organization begin to surface, the bad reviews start to come out, and what do they do?
THEY CUT THEMSELVES OFF!
They stop participating in the community. They stop posting on mASF.
They only do stuff on their website, their blog, and their newsletters
because that’s the only way they can manipulate what gets out about
them.
But something else happened when they retreated into RSD-land…
TYLER RAN OUT OF PEOPLE TO STEAL FROM.
Notice how little innovation has come from TD since the actual,
TALENTED gurus, such as Mystery, Style, and Playboy, stopped hanging
out with him?
Trust me: This is not a coincidence.
Tyler has always been very good at co-opting other people’s ideas and
making them seem like his own brilliance. But Tyler is just a
charismatic snake-oil salesman. He is repackaging stuff that better
PUAs teach, and passing it off as his own.
Even newer products like "Transformations" is a rip off of the
behavioral stuff Dr. Paul has been pioneering. And don’t think a lot
of TD’s latest offerings haven’t been poor-man versions of stuff Brad P
came up with.
Like I said – their teachings work – but not because of them. In fact, it is DESPITE them that they work!
All RSD is, is an organization designed to do 2 things…
1. Make money
2. Inspire mindless loyalty in their students.
Oddly enough – this business model is even ripped off from Ross
Jeffries, who, for once, is actually RIGHT when he says someone stole
something from him!
These guys DO NOT CARE about students. Their goal – with their
products AND their workshops – is to fool students into feeling good
enough that they won’t ask for their money back, without having to
deliver any actual results.
And this is the reason why the actual Blueprint will never be released
- because Tyler has run out of the best people to steal from, so he has
a hard time writing this stuff down because he can’t analyze and break
down what better PUAs are doing before they popularize their techniques
first.
All you’re going to see from Tyler and crew from here on out is the following:
1. Products based on seminars where they give away 0% content but make you feel really good for watching it.
2. Workshops designed to excite people without evoking any real change or results.
3. Fun videos that display Tyler’s charismatic personality to make you
like him, without ever really showing you how freakin’ sociopathic he
is.
4. Long, rambling posts and field reports that are either completely made up, or completely ripped off from someone else.
Trust me – if it wasn’t for the fact that they somehow weaseled their
way into almost all of David D’s products, these guys would have been
out of business long ago, because they aren’t innovators. They are not
originators. They are rip-off artists and fakes. (Again, this is
aimed at Tyler and Papa, not others in the RSD crew. They may be just
as bad as Tyler, but history shows that the people TD and Papa surround
themselves with are actually much more talented than they are.)
So before people go off half-cocked and tell me I’m a loser who’s just
spouting negativity for no good reason, I think you guys have to look
long and hard at how these guys and their past actions have played out.
1. They’ve stopped innovation because all the innovators have stopped hanging out with them.
2. Everyone who used to like them now hates them and wants nothing to do with them.
3. They have a business model based around self-gain and deception.
4. They isolate themselves because they have a narcissistic need to manipulate and control all information about them (something the Nazi government was very good at, as well).
5. They threaten to sue anyone who actually dares to speak ill of them and expose the truth.
If there is anyone out there reading this who has signed up for an RSD
product or workshop, or is thinking about it – trust me, you would be
better off with almost ANY other seduction course or guru out there,
with the exception of Ross Jeffries.
In my humble opinion, there are two companies you should never, ever, EVER buy or learn anything from, and they are:
1. Real Social Dynamics
2. Speed Seduction
So who should you learn from? Well, check out my Top 10 list. Those guys are the REAL DEAL. Check them out for yourselves.
Okay, rant finished. Now let the flaming begin!
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Jokes aside, I didn’t have time to reply earlier.
I do agree that mystery method should not be the main method of the community in this watered down mainstream way.
However since RSD left the community basically and started their own forums, I haven’t seen any innovation from them at all.
RSD is pretty much still “MM light” by the popular conception of it, AND current touted methods.
I am all for learning these new concepts myself. I am ALL about the lay and not the game.
Minimalist to the end, the fuckin first minamalist matter of fact in this entire community.
Anything that can improve my game sounds great.
BUT
Where the fuck is this book, for anyone to even examine, much less judge, who has a beef with RSDs technique?
Its been years now with RSD again being “mystery light” to the influx of people from his publicity campaign as the “best pua in the world” and all that shit.
People buy in to that though.
It ain’t gwm and ss and rsd now, its mystery is the only game in town.
People find us last.
If the blueprint can ACTUALLY be marketed and positioned in such a way to defeat or even question that authority by fame, more power to ya.
But get on the ball and release these “new innovative concepts” or shut the fuck up.
Hype and social proof don’t work on people who’ve been here more than a month.
COME ON GUNWITCH.
PPLE WILL THINK UR DUMB HERE.
Just email some random GURU from the community and they will tell u the stuff RSD is doing now.
Heres a list. Anyone from Mystery Method( Love Systems), Sean Messenger, ah just email anyone u actually know who actually knows their work and they can tell u bout it. Go read the blog if u want
Whats all this i duno wad they have so they have no innovation stuff?
Are they supposed to mail you their stuff? Cant u see they have a lot of fans here cause they have pple that actually appreciate it?
How long do “gurus” take to grow up, well the RSD guys took a long time, many of u are gona take forever
And can everyone here stop stepping on these other guru’s ego here??? just leave them be. stop preachin ur pro RSD, and just let these guru’s feel good for a bit and then they can get on with their lives and you with yours.
DO U GUYS KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE FIRST?? if u were the first few innovators from this community how would u like it when others say ur stuff is inferior to someone else??
even if their stuff sucks in comparison they will never see it. So leave them alone.
Look at mystery. his stuff in the community is now considered a bit old and backward, but to newbies its gold and hes having fun makin his money. be happy for the guy
Howdy Guys!…seriously all of this childish bickering bullshitery is silly as fuck…lol(unless this is some kind of fake marketing ploy…see phony battles b/w popular rap artists)! First of all mad props to all of you guys: RJ, Gunwitch, Playboy, RSD, Style, Mehow, Christian, Carlos Xuma, Ben (orion), Will, Johnny soporno, Badboy, Grant Adams, Zan, David Wygant, Brent Smith, Dave M., Sean Messenger and LVO3, PU101, Hypnotica, David X, Chet, Steve Piccus, pickupodcast.com, Brad P., DYD, David Shade, Toecutter, MM, Grimble(craig), Toecutter,etc. and yes you too thundercat. Overall, I think that the community as a whole is headed in a postive direction and that we should all take some time out to really remember the reasons why we came into this game. Besides getting laid, many of us came into this game in order to fill up “buckets that had holes in them.” Although, I’m 21 and just recently found out about the community ~8 months ago…I view all of you guys as equals and greatly appreciate any value that u guys have to offer to world. Seriously, guys…these are great fuckin times to be alive…It wasn’t too long ago that I was sitting alone in b/w the lockers or hiding away from everyone reading Dan Brown books
in the Restroom during lunch in high school…with the thought of approaching a girl I didn’t know feeling like a dream remiscent of something from the book “where the wild things are.” Honestly guys, the world is a MUUUUUUCCCCCCHHHHHH better place b/c of all of u guys.
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Thanks guys, Archaeopteryx
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“Security is mostly a supersition. It does not exist in nature , nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is not safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.”
-Hellen Keller
Gunwitch, Jeffries, you are both pathetic for talking shit. The End.
Jeffy
(c)RSD 2008
The above post wasnt made by the real Jeffy.
Why do guys like impersonating others? I notice this thread has pumped lots of adrenalin into everyone.
How do many of u guys feel now? oooh that feelin. we walk in the world with this sick feeling.
we are truly weak
This whole thing seems to be pretty controversial.
Come on Jeffy has his product up at RSD. As it came out it was said to be tha shit. And now he s marketing the blueprint. Whats next?
I tell you what. I m sure that the blueprint will be a piece of quality information. But will it be a revolution?
Definetly not. Personal growth is about putting work in yourself. And most of these material cravers do not realise that. They will go through the product, they will be motivated to change something, they will rwalise that it takes some work and then give up…
I really do have respect for Tyler cause his analyzing and teaching skills are second to noone. But The Blueprint wont be “The missing piece”. I even go as far as to say it s not even necessary. The community is already full of products which can give you what you want. But only if you are ready to put the effort in thats needed.
If you dont nothing can help you…
So I wish you a happy spending!
M
That’s the most positive I could come up with:D
Ban Yourself Thundy
Seriously, why ba a hater?
Accept the reality, do what you need to do and move forward.
Cheers
As someone who found out about “the game” from the book of the same name (i.e. after PUA-ism soon seemed to have jumped the shark and become overly mainstream, and a frequent object of ridicule), and admittedly little more than an AFC, I must say that posts like these, and the constant back-and-forths of accusatory comments are quite the piece of entertainment. Don’t ever stop guys! I’m not that surprised that a “community” of posi-Nazis (and a MUCH less authentic one at that than, say, the 80s hardcore punk scene) has so many cries of “liar”, “manipulator”, and “sociopath”. All humans have a yin and a yang, darkness and light. You can’t destroy the darkness while all the while seeking personal gain (be it sex or, as seems to be more prominently the goal, money and business empires), it’s like the rich Hollywood celebrities who have all this material wealth and suddently claim to be “Buddhists”. Unfortunately the absurd emphasis on marketing and very specific conceptions of what makes for a “better” or “improved” person have turned me off to much of what the PUA community had previously seemed to offer. I’ve made some improvements that I’m very greatfull for (ie not being supplicative or giving into one-itis, dressing better, embracing my naturally cocky funny personality when talking to girls, etc.) but ultimately I am always going to be me, and not everyone can fully embrace their identities and still be perceived as having a high “social value” in anonymous situations where you have only a shallow/surface-based association with most people (unless you can also be famous for something). Sorry but those empty vessels from Swingers are not my idols. By the way I have a minor stutter at times – if you hadn’t been programmed to believe that this was something that mattered, would you really think that it did? Food for thought.
Gunny,
I think Tyler might actually be gay, or at least bi. He seems to be in love with one of his co-trainers, Tim. Here is a quote from his blog:
“A quick update…
I’ve just kidnapped Tim and brought him back to the US of A after a year off DJ’ing in Australia.
Tim is with me right now in Honolulu and we’ve been working hard to prepare this event — which as you can expect will ROCK — and we’ve also been out surfing and running around in the jungle as per the usual out here.”
Sounds like TD is having a romantic time. Maybe Tim is “with him” in some interesting ways.
RSDfan wrote:
“I think a lot of you people are underestimating Tyler, it’s a shame really. He is a walking example of someone who changed his life, out of books from Maltz, Robbins, Hill, etc.
When the BP hits home, he’ll be making a name for himself for the public. It’s going to happen and all these haters are going to cower in fear.”
Well, only if he is hopped up on weight-loss pills like he confesses here in his own blog. Does this sound like Maltz or Hill to you? No, I’m NOT making this up:
Here is Tyler:
“I tried taking fat burners for 2 weeks and got into 5 altercations in 7 days so stopped because it was making me crazy (the last one I was dragged out of the club in a headlock by power-tripping bouncers, so obviously decided to stop).”
Hmm…wonder when was the last time Robbins got put in a headlock by a bouncer?
Yep…take the cool-aid RSDFAN.
RJ
If you’re going to impersonate someone, god damn take the time to actually do a good job of it, LOL. Try actually adopting his writing style and structuring the same format.
Chode.
No imitation. It’s from his own blog. Check it out for yourself.
Douchebag, I’m addressing you.
No, really – don’t ever stop!
I want to be brief. Eckhart Tolle, RSD, Jeffy and Tyler rock.
Choosing which bootcamp to attend was not that difficult in San Francisco. We have a neutral pluralistic online/offline community here. If you flame or write bullshit, your reputation will go to shit.
I simply searched “best PUAs of San Francisco” in our lair. I searched best bootcamp.
At the PUA events in San Fran, I asked people. (we have really cheap get togethers. All the mafia dons get together.) I asked experts. When I sarged with guys, I asked, “Who has been out with this guy?” What is is this guys reputation?
Naturally, Jeffy and Christophe of RSD game up. Also, Social Savant another company came up.
And these are not douche-bags’ opinions. These are other PUAs and instructors begrudgingly admitting their faults.
But these were still guys I respected.
I developed a really good consensus. RSD is top-notch. So is Social Savant, another small outfit out of San Fran.
Do these guys copy other people? I sincerely hope so. All I do is steal ideas. We all do.
Equally true, one thing was always said about Jeffy by people I respect. The guy is very original. After the Jeffy Show, I was convinced. So the rest of RSD must be amazing.
FYI: You should read Jeffy recent exploits in Seattle. It appears that he got laid in a nightclub while doing nothing.
http://www.rsdnation.com/showthread.php?t=16856
Anyways, that is my 2 cents.
Here’s an idea for a reality show. It will feature Tyler, Gunwitch and Ross Jeffries.
It’s called “The Biggest Loser Pickup Artist”
They try to pick up girls while shedding a few pounds in the process.
WOW UR SMRT, LOL.
did anybody even get the blueprint?
whats the review?
This ego-war is exactly what is wrong with the community. It amazes me that these so-called gurus who supposedly have their shit together are engaging in a flame war on a blog like this. RJ, Gunwitch, JM… get off your computer and get a life.
The guy who released a program called “deep inner game” has an ego so fragile that he has to respond to this shit? Ridiculous… You guys are all still fuckin nerds at heart.
GW… respect I’ve gotten a lot out of your products, but chill man. Stop telling people you’ll beat their ass over the internet, your not in high school anymore. I have mad respect for you, but seriously man… (please don’t threaten to kill me for the criticism)
I’ve gotten nothing but value from RSD, and I am by no means their little fanboys… They are by no means the only good option out their, but they have gained my respect, and in my opinion are the best company out their today.
It’s no ego war. I just have fun slapping people around. Kind of like Mayweather when he lightning punched Big Show and left him leaking in the ring.
It’s fun to whip the RSD fanboys with half my cortex tied behind my back. Gets me going to work for the rest of the day.
And it’s fun to quote Tyler; the guy is one of the most entertaingly self-deluded people I have ever met. I remember him back in 2003 posting on mASF how he wanted to be a great person, “like WInston Churchill”.
He then said something even odder. He said it didn’t really matter if he got to be that great, because, and I quote, “I always exaggerate my achievements in my own mind”.
You RSD guys, stop whining when I pop in here and recreationally bitchslap ya’all. It’s an honor to be taken apart by me.
RJ
Ross – If posting responses to internet attacks by people like TC is your idea of fun, then by all means, continue. I have to admit, this whole quarrel is entertaining.
It is very hard for me to look up to a guru who is so caught up in his own shit that he has to respond to something like this. But if that’s your thing… go for it bro.
Mayweather beats the shit out of the best competition in the world. You yell at students for sitting in places where they can’t see at your inner game conferences. Big difference buddy.
I’m sure you’ve helped many guys get better with women. However, I have gotten 10x more value from RSD than anything you’ve put out. I’ve gotten 5x more out of GWM.
Have fun whipping the RSD fanboys with half your cortex,
Bobby
TD and Co reacted to the cult leader status of Syle and Mystery at project hollywood and they succeeded and evolved now I have never read Tyler spewing forth one negative remark against style or anyone else in the community, and I rate that.
From the drafts that i’ve read blueprint is aboout “Authenticiy” which basically is about
- finding your inner core (true identity)
- getting rid of social conditioning
- strong frame
- basing your personality on your inner core
Thus whatever you project then is coming from an authentic person rather then some structured method etc. Its quite philosphical but guys with a high level of sucess with women who run on autopilot will recognise where Tyler’s coming from.
“Finally, there was the “Deep Throat” who sent me private messages from RSD’s instructor’s message board ”
Deep throat?!!!?!?…hahahah you mean the RSD confidencial files… everybody has them!!! nothing special about having them 3 years now….
“planned to trick workshop students into thinking they improved in their workshops when really it was just a trick for inexperienced instructors to make the poor student feel good without having to actually deliver results (and therefor not deliver a refund).”
Well Mystery and Style(Thundercats associates) are using the same technique for years now… the Master of this technique is Ross Jeffries
he even using NLP techniques to make them feel quite bad about themselves in the middle of the seminar before he pumps them up… LOL double effect 
Known staff in the veterans of the community … nothing new…
Wow havent seen this many replies in ages! Wonder how long it will be before we all revert back to the homosexual comments and having 500 replies per post!
- Tough Love -
Hey RJ, heard this before:
“whatever you are feeling is what she will feel. ”
as quoted by Alexander in the RSD forum
Trivia question…where did this come from
originally?
Washington DC 2000…..Mark Cunningham
“It’s like there is an antenae stickin’ out of your head…..whatever you are feeling is what she will feel.”
That’s how you become a guru, repeat ever so slightly what’s already been said
thats right sheep.
Forget learning this on your own in the field like your favorite guru.
Pay to be in the brotherhood.
Great thread by the way.
This is the most exciting RSD has been in years, thanks to Thundercat.
The blueprint is 12hours of Tyler mercilessly raping Tim in front of his students. It cost me $8000
^
YA I NO RITE, LOLOL.
Cook Owen—guess what? Thundercat plagiarizes the exact same line in his extraordinarily shitty “Renegade Rapport”.
“Cook Owen—guess what? Thundercat plagiarizes the exact same line in his extraordinarily shitty “Renegade Rapport”.”
I wouldn’t consider a thundekit a commercial pua..just an electronic journalist
Ciaran is a total fruitcake. The minute RSD took him on board I lept overboard.
Ciaran is a total fruitcake. The minute RSD took him on board I lept overboard.
Ciaran is a total fruitcake. The minute RSD took him on board I lept overboard.
“Ciaran is a total fruitcake. The minute RSD took him on board I lept overboard.”
Why? Because of his premature gray hair? I think the shock and awe idea was pretty good
First off, Thundercat, I must thank you for building Thundercats Lounge, where I was able to meet and learn from many great PUAs such as Victory, Madhatta, etc…
Without your site, I wouldnt have been able to talk to these guys.
Later, Victory made his own forum which disappeared, and I was lucky enough to help Victory build the next one: PUAUnderground.ning.com
Now, about RSD…
Alot of the point you make are from way back. I think Tyler and the RSD crew are pretty solid. Their products thus far have improved my game so much. Transformations is a great course and the Jeffy Show is off the hook…
Listen, get off Real Social Dynamics back abit and just focus on your products… make sure your releasing the quality products!!!
As for me, Im obsessed with learning the game and becoming a MPUA… Im actually signed up to be taking a Free RSD Workshop in Iowa City…….
I know it will help my game, and who knows who I will meet there..
Thanks RSD for coming to Iowa City to host such and event…..
Later,
Thread
Dude being a ‘pua’ or an ‘mpua’ is so 2004, just focus on being a cool social guy.
Cirian’s been trying to get noticed for years. Another ‘instant guru’. I remember him on mASF before he got banned for his crazy ass posts. Pleasant and civil if you’re agreeing with him, ranting maniac if you’re not. Guy was sectioned a couple years ago (or so he claims – and Cirian claims a lot) and obviously still got some real issues. Be surprised if RSD keeps him on as when he takes his inevitable meltdown they probably don’t want it on their forum. Funny, coz he plays the Alpha-man, don’t-give-a-fuck big style but is happy to trot along behind Jeffy on a leash.
“Pleasant and civil if you’re agreeing with him, ranting maniac if you’re not”
Yeah I emailed the guy once with a question..he went ballistic then said post it on the forum…he then proceded not to answer it…maybe he is bipolar
“Guy was sectioned a couple years ”
What does that mean?
“Be surprised if RSD keeps him on as when he takes his inevitable meltdown they probably don’t want it on their forum. Funny, coz he plays the Alpha-man, don’t-give-a-fuck big style but is happy to trot along behind Jeffy on a leash.’
It seems like a lot of the RSD people are overcooked on the inside. I noticed on that video that Ciaran was a bit docile to jeffy, the opposite of the way he posts
Maybe that’s his game plan (under TD’s direction), get them to let there guard down scheming to take down jeffy when he becomes too popular and blame it on Ciaran .
The way RJ purges his personnel
The whole RSd thing is a half baked cult..for a time most of the rsd people had long hair like TD, now they wear sunglasses like td. jeffy is like 31, wears a baseball cap tilted to the side like some white teenage suburban gang boy..looks out of place…but that’s there demographic, 19 year old’s from Bethesda
The whole pua industry is chock full to the rafters with narcissists and sociopaths.
I am sure Stye has few bones in his closet, but knows how to hide them
Ciaran claims he went mad down in London or somewhere. Not just usual messed-up but straight-jacket, little white padded room, out and out shit nuts…or so he says. He kinda brags on it – I’m sure his post is still on RSD. Things is though if you’ve got a headache, Cirian’s got a tumour. He bangs on about Tolle and having ‘no frame’ but flips out if you do anything except agree with him. Like some guy said earlier Formhandle dimissed him as a ‘fruitloop’ years ago. Dude’s a headcase.
Ciaran’s poison. I met him 2yrs ago and didn’t think he was any great shakes but boy he sure did! Maybe he’s got better since but he wasn’t someone to make you go ‘wow!’. Real nasty piece of work too if you weren’t sucking up to him. Hurt more people than he helped from what I seen and the reason a lot of people left the Edinburgh lair. Lot of us were surprised to hear RSD took him on as we didn’t think anyone took him that seriously. I wouldn’t take a bootcamp from him but if he’s the teacher and you’re the student and you’re buying into that then that might be enough to get him to act like a human being, at least for the duration of it.
“Hurt more people than he helped from what I seen and the reason a lot of people left the Edinburgh lair. Lot of us were surprised to hear RSD took him on as we didn’t think anyone took him that seriously.”
But isn’t that par for the course with RSD…Birds of a feather flock together..
In general, there a bunch of abusive tossers, liars, scounderels, and sociopathic scamsters
I remember Ciaran on Fast Seduction when he went by the name “Jekyll.” He had some decent posts and then some nutty posts and reactions. Formhandle finally had enough of his nonsense and banned him.
He tried to sneak back on the site under different aliases but he would always end up getting banned.
I guess RSD saw something in him they liked. Probably his writing ability. His fingerprints are all over anything supposedly written by Tyler
That’s the kook who came up with apocalypse opener. It’s not that bad but he claims he was consistently able to go out, do one approach and leave with and fuck the hottest girl in the bar. It’s at that point he lost me. No one claims 100% success rate, that’s just fantasy. Tyler himself says in Foundations he’s never seen it. So either Ciaran’s made a liar out of Tyler or Tyler’s going to have to rethink that. Or Ciaran’s full of shit.
jlaxative??? wheres the quote from the post? its widely available and many have read it and weve never seen that claim you speak of?
where is it?
whos full of shit? u or him?
“That’s the kook who came up with apocalypse opener. It’s not that bad but he claims he was consistently able to go out, do one approach and leave with and fuck the hottest girl in the bar. It’s at that point he lost me. No one claims 100% success rate, that’s just fantasy. Tyler himself says in Foundations he’s never seen it. So either Ciaran’s made a liar out of Tyler or Tyler’s going to have to rethink that. Or Ciaran’s full of shit.”
It’s not the apocalypse opener Ciaran makes that claim in but in Shock & Awe:
“Toward the end of my singledom, before I met my beautiful girlfriend, I would walk out of the house alone, walk into the first busy bar I saw, walk up to the hottest chГЇck in the room, pull her, take her home and sleep with her.
I would do this consistently, without getting blown out. One approach per night. 100% success.
Believe me or not, I don’t care. It is true. I used to do it to show off to all my friends.”
Raised my eye brows too as it’s a hell of a claim.
You know I commented earlier and I have come back on here to apoligize to Thundercat. This guy is right. The blueprint was delayed without the money back guarentee being prolonged. That’s just the tip of the iceberge.
Thundercat may be a little emotional when it comes to these guys but there is a reason. These guys are top of the line dirtbags. Total assholes. It’s JUST like the GAME said and worse. You see now Tyler is having all his people log in under multiple accounts and use the internet for all his manipulative twisted shit. He goes so far as to try to brainwash guys on his forum by having his crew log in under multiple names and brainwash, and gang up on users to get them to go along with whatever it is he wants them to go along with.
I recently wrote a post asking why these guys are so against their own teachings and have isolated so far from the community. I praised them, I said I understood they were a business, that I am happy for them … but that I just wanted to know why they are dissing the background that they use to teach to everyone. They spit on their longtime supporter by banning me and erasing all of my posts. A longtime follower who they know very well. Turned on in a second because I got a little too close to the truth. I just wanted an answer. Were they unsuccessful with the old ways like the book said? WEll that would make them liers right? Or are they just doing it to differentiate themselves?
Thing is when they were teaching outer, they fucked up the teachings and passed that fuck up onto the student. Now they are teaching inner and fucking that up too, by taking it way too far and totally discrediting any thought process what so ever to what a socially good responce would be.
These guys are slim buckets. Like Thundercat said they are really good at persuasion, have strong frames, and now have imitated how to act like “nice” guys who “care” about you .. but it’s all an act. These are douchbag robots just like Style mentioned. One of them even admitts he’s a douchbag.
SO I apoligize thundercat for rushing to judgement, i was just doing what a human being does and defending a company that I thought was in it for guys like me, a company I supported back before they were shit.
Thundercat may not be perfect, but at least he doesn’t come to america and then Censure people. Tyler probably gets some sort of sicko power trip from doing that, Aww I came from Canada and am censuring americans…I am sooooo coool … finally … I am cooooool. YEAH!!!
Mack Wild,
I was actually sorry to see you banned of course, since you posted a lot of great value earlier this year. I meant to PM you about how hilarious your post about scaling the RSD walls to steal the Blueprint. It was genius.
However, on your Primetime account you got noticeably a lot more negative. You were telling instructors like Ozzie that what they were posting was nothing new and basically worthless. Your posts got a lot more negative in general.
That being said, even if you were banned unfairly, there’s no reason to turn your back on all the value you got from your time with RSD.
You can either take what you’ve learned and still progress, and maybe even return to RSD Nation one day, or you can become like Thundercat and just spew angry hate while everyone ridicules you. I think the choice is obvious.
Let it go.
–Dan
Dan…
why so quick to silence Mack Wild?
He’s not the first to say such things, are they not valid points?