The Game Remains the Same
March 6, 2006 by Thundercat
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In his latest newsletter, Style drops some great nuggets of pick-up wisdom in response to the latest Village Voice article about women wising up to PUA tactics after the release of "The Game." You can read the full newsletter from Style in this post, but if you want to recieve his updates reguarly, join his mailing list by clicking here.
I was talking to a writer who was working on a now-controversial story in this week’s Village Voice about The Game. Part of it had to do with a blogger named Dolly who had read the book and caught a pickup artist using the lines in a bar. Later that night, she made out with him nonetheless.
So it made me think: I’ve received hundreds of emails from guys fretting that if the book or the community get too well-known, the game won’t work anymore.
So I did some thinking about that.
First of all, everyone knows how to diet, but not everyone does it. Most of the people who read about these ideas and techniques won’t actually put them into action. (Instead, they’ll procrastinate by writing letters worrying about too many people finding out about the techniques.)
The fact is, the game will always work. It’s just that some of the wording to the scripts may have to change — and that’s only for those who use the scripts for "training."
For example:
What’s one of the most clichГ© pickup lines in the world?
The corniest, cheesiest one?
That’s right: It’s "What’s your sign?"
If you walk up to a girl and say, "What’s your sign?" she’ll know you’re delivering a rehearsed pickup line from some bad 70′s TV show.
But guess what? "What’s Your Sign" is almost exactly like the openers and DHVs (demonstrations of higher value) in The Game.
There was a point when "What’s your sign" was not a corny way to start a conversation. It was a non-sexual opener: a means of breaking the ice with strangers without hitting on them. It was a current topic, exciting and interesting. (As Mystery once put it, the best subjects for conversations are relationships and the unknown.) Furthermore, it was a way of demonstrating value. Instead of saying "let’s ball" (or whatever the lingo was at the time), you were showing that you were spiritual and had interesting knowledge to offer.
In the parlance of the seduction community, it was a neutral entertaining opener with DHV spikes built in.
And, sure, we all know it’s outdated and cheesy. But isn’t it extraordinary how a few minutes into seventy percent of all conversations with women, a discussion of astrology ensues? She’ll probably ask you, "What sign are you?" And if you know a lot about astrology, it’s actually a demonstration of higher value.
(Note to logical, empirical, factual men: Don’t say, "I don’t believe in that bullshit." Cynicism and negativity are two traits to avoid when meeting a woman, even if you think they make you seem "cool.")
When I was researching the book, I spent hours in Miami with a PUA named Maddash, who gave me a long tutorial on astrology. He taught me what all the signs meant, what the twelve houses were all about, how to identify astrological trends in people’s lives, and how to determine sign compatibility.
Whether or not I believed in astrology was immaterial: I now knew a lot about it. And it made for great conversation, connection, and value when I was meeting people.
So the epiphany I had was: "What’s your sign" STILL WORKS. It will always work.
Everything will always work. If people find out about it, all you have to do is change the way you say it and perhaps when you say it.
For example, if saying, "Hey guys, I need a quick opinion on something" telegraphs that you’re delivering a pickup line because the women read about it in a magazine, no worries. Just change it to: "I need some quick help settling a debate." If opinion openers don’t work anymore, save the question for later in the conversation. I already have three other types of openers I’ve come up with that I’m waiting for the right time to release. And if I can come up with alternatives, I’ve got a feeling YOU can too.
In the bigger picture, the thing that’s important to remember is: There is no such thing as a pickup line. The language and wording don’t matter. What’s important is the intent behind them. The Jealous Girlfriend opener works not because it’s the Jealous Girlfriend opener, but because it’s a way to start an animated conversation with a group of people without hitting on anyone. So as long as you can always do that, you’ve got nothing to worry about.
Knowledge will not change the fundamentals of how women and men are attracted to each other. To make a bad comparison: Guys who like big breasts tend to be into women with fake breasts; it doesn’t even matter to them that they’re NOT REAL. They still flip the same attraction switches that natural ones do.
In the world of mating, perception is reality. And attraction, in the words of David DeAngelo, is not a choice.
Yours,
Neil
PS Coming up next time: C-shaped smiles versus U-shaped smiles EXPLAINED. Yes, I’ve been reading your letters!
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Man who does style think he is?
What a fukin joke. The guy barely has any game and he’s walking around acting like he’s the top PUA out there. He actually says things like, “Well negs were made up by a guy named Mystery.” as if Mystery is just some lowly PUA in with the rest of them, in stead of saying thats where he stole his ideas the he half assed tries to pull off.
In the mean time every dork in the world is going to be calling themself a PUA soon. This community is about to become a joke.
I think it’s hilarious that Style is trying to become famous. It would be Sad if he did get famous off of other peoples hard work. I wonder why Mystery is so friken quiet about all this. Are they splitting royalties?
If I invented a system and someone else stole it from me and then went around the world proclaiming how he was the best at it and pretended he was the guy who pretty much came up with the concept I would Sue the nerd and make him give a public statement in major press Explaining how he had duped everyone and that he stole ideas from other sources, that his book was just a book and that he was the author and thats all.
Just like somebody else said. nothing on the internet is secret. Most of these so-called “secrets” are the first results that popup in google. Just about all the video/audio/ebooks are available to download for free, although I don’t encourage it.
So whether or not Neil is out of the game, single or in a relationship, it won’t matter now because he would already have his millions, huge mansion, and enough high status and social proof just by letting out a wet fart. That’s enough to get you laid.
Not too long from now, you WILL have to have an angle to become a successful PUA. (i.e. rich, famous, etc…) The easy days of PU may very well be over.
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I’m sure you guys know that a book editor asked struass to investigate the community of pickup artists. “Style” was nothing but a spy just waiting for the opportunity to expose the so-called “secret society”.
Why do you think he chronicled most of his experiences and almost every convo he could muster. Just like a spy, he exploits the secrets, then overdramatizes the fallouts and deterioration that the community inflicts upon people like a nasty drug.
Of course, he did have fun along the way, somewhat transformed himself, and found a new lease on life; or so he says. But he had a job to do. It doesn’t matter how close his friendship grew with some of the guys,he had to get the job done.
In a way, it help some of the other guys. For instance, it helped Mystery jack up prices; hell, he’s even all over the media as well.
Strauss was ordered to infiltrate and expose the community; that was his objective. I wouldn’t be surprised if he just played out the whole “nerdy” AFC image just to prove how powerfull this form of “brainwashing” can be… And to sell millions of books.
One more thing!
Mystery already knew what was going on. Strauss told Mystery what he was up to beforhand and told him to make him his top wing in exchange wide-known fame and noteriety to reach his goal as a well-known illusionist.
Despite everything you’re heard of the “Great Mystery”, the guy is easily convinced into anything, especially when it concerns himself. Not to mention he’s more unstable than Rush Limbaugh.
As with any other PUA “guru”, Mystery doesn’t care about his student’s successes; he only cares about money, fame and superstardom. It’s just too obvious.
let’s take Tyler Durkin for instance. His “Surviving the Game” nonsense states that it’s in collaboration with “Neil Strauss”. Notice that it does not mention “Style”. People will see his products and say “wow, he’s working with bestselling author Neil Strauss, he must be good”.
Neil Strauss is in no associated with that product, nor is he working with Tyler Durkin. The “live rare audio tracks” he talks about is only captured audio from when Neil was living in the mansion. I wouldn’t doubt if Neil is only featured on the program for less than 5 minutes.
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Does anyone remember that book for women that sold over 1 million copies. I think it was even on Operah’s famous book club. Yeah, It’s called “The Rules”. Women knew about it, but did they really follow those rules? NO!
what I’m saying is that the game has been exposed long before “The Game” was published or even considered.
Radio Personality Tom Leykis has been teaching guys how to get laid for over 10 years on his famous radio show. For those who don’t know, he has a weekly segment called “Leykis 101″, which he calls his classroom for getting “More Tail for Less Money”. Since the last year, his radio show gaining more success, fame, noteriety and higher demand. He has aquired alot more markets in various cities, which is making him more well known, even though he’s still a niche celebrity.
His method on getting laid pretty much follow the same concept as what all the successful PUA’s suggest, although his approach is more extreme and controversial. Some women will figure out whether you’re a “Leykis 101 student” or a “PUA”.
But like Tom says, let them know you’re a Leykis 101 follower and you’re not apologizing for it. If they find out, don’t deny it or make any excuses.
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Just like somebody else said. nothing on the internet is secret. Most of these so-called “secrets” are the first results that popup in google. Just about all the video/audio/ebooks are available to download for free, although I don’t encourage it.
So whether or not Neil is out of the game, single or in a relationship, it won’t matter now because he would already have his millions, huge mansion, and enough high status and social proof just by letting out a wet fart. That’s enough to get you laid.
Not too long from now, you WILL have to have an angle to become a successful PUA. (i.e. rich, famous, etc…) The easy days of PU may very well be over.
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True! True! And True! couldnt’ve said it better myself. After all, this is a multi-million dollar industry, or so I’ve heard on Primetime. Did anyone see the story on primetime about the “pick up artists”? Neil and Mystery appeared on it. They were even exploiting pages like “Cliff’s list”, “Mystery Method”, and “Fastseduction”.
The thing that bothered me though was that they made them look like shovenist assholes. When it showed that scene in the bar with the AFC’s, it only showed when they were insulting the girls, and that’s not really what we’re about.
There was that other show with Richard where Style is critiquing a couple of AFC’s on their approaches in real time.
The Truth About Pick Up Artists
By Melissa Balmer
Copyright В© 2005, Seduction Insider, http://www.seductioninsider.com.
Dating tips and sex advice for men and women.
“Most virtue is a demand for greater seduction.” – Natalie Barney
In last week`s article in Seduction Insider, you learned how to get out of your own way and get ready to become a great seducer. This week you’re going to learn why it’s so crucial to not only always keep women in general in mind, but also the specific woman you’re interested in completely front and center. At the same time, we reveal the serious flaws that self proclaimed `pick up artists` preach to so many desperate men willing to shell out thousands of dollars to attend a seminar on `seduction` (if that`s what you want to call what they`re teaching!). Skip the seduction seminar. Really.
Study Women – Don`t Study Pick Up Artists
Learning about women while playing poker with the guys (who claim to know it all) isn’t going to cut it now, is it? Let’s face it. Men are tantalized by women, confused by women, and totally dying to have sex with women but what do most men do? Obsess away over women, drool over the woman walking by on the street, or over a secret poster in their bedroom, or over a particular adult film actresses personal website but then do absolutely nothing at all constructive about learning how women think, what they want, or (most importantly) what they desire.
So if you want a leg up on the competition, do your homework and start your training. When you choose the right material to study, choose very carefully… I`m sure you realize the right teacher makes all the difference between long term failure and long term success.
Do you want to learn seduction from a self-proclaimed hypnotist or card magician (aka `pick up artist`) that relies on `neg hits` to work to a woman`s low self esteem for success?
Ross Jefferies vs. Tom Cruise
Consider that Ross Jefferies, a well known marketer / seminar guru who claims he can make even the most homely man with a pot belly and bald head successful with hot women, is rumored to be the basis for Tom Cruise`s character in the movie, Magnolia? Reporters, you need to check your facts before you start writing about `rumors`; because that`s all that is. That`s like trying to lend credibility to Pete Rose. In fact I thought I saw Ross Jefferies and Pete Rose hanging out last week…
So, these pick up artists are preaching that you should use Neg Hits to work to a woman`s low self esteem. Okay, sure, you might get lucky one night at the local pub after trying this on twenty women to finally find the desperate one with low self esteem, but trust me this low self esteem woman has a ton of emotional baggage, and maybe more than one sexually transmitted desease, and you don`t want that. You`re better off single and happy and disease free than with the wrong woman.
Neg Hits, which are purposely putting down women with pick up lines such as `Your nose wiggles when you smile`, or `Nice shirt – actually I just saw it on the cashier at the liquor store`, in the end are just corny and for the most part creepy. Ask a number of women today for their opinion and you`ll here a resounding `yeah, creepy`.
Pick Up Artists And Neg Hits
Who are these pick up artists trying to impress? Now think about that? Isn`t that how school yard bullies shook your little brother down for his milk money back in the day, with Neg Hits? They got his attention, but in the end he damn sure didn`t respect them.
How much success do you really think you`re going to have with `neg hits`?
I`m sure you know it. There is a much better way. As you`re about to learn below.
What Women Want
Now, it’s easy enough to find ways to study women and what they want if you’ll just be smart about it. Women are shouting to the treetops about what they desire from men – but here’s the rub, they’re usually shouting it to other women. Yep, the best way to study women is to watch the movies they like, read the books they read, and ditto on their magazines.
You`re not going to see any pick up artist win a woman`s heart in the next block buster chic flick.
He`s the creep she`s running from.
What about the chic flick “Hitch” with Will Smith (Columbia Pictures, 2004)? Hitch wasn`t a pick up artist as referenced in this article. Hitch was sincere. That`s why he won the girl, and that`s why his co-star Kevin James – aka “hopeless Albert” – won his girl as well.
Oh now don’t make a face, I know you sit happily enough through chic flicks on the first few dates with a woman you’re hot for, and you even like some of them. Make it easy on yourself and your eyes and rent those who have female stars that totally float your boat. And no, you don’t need to blab about it to your friends. Let them find their own way to understanding the female psyche.
Study A Specific Woman – Don`t Study Pick Up Artists
Studying a specific woman does not mean you email her constantly, IM her to chat throughout your workday, and call her every night for a long chat after your favorite T.V. shows and before hitting the sack. Nope. You’ve got to learn the difference between studying a woman and becoming obsessed with her.
Let me break it down for you. Studying a woman means that you’re not only totally present when you’re with her, but you’re also remembering her responses to key questions, remembering her tastes and likes, and beginning to understand her psychology. Think of studying a new woman you’d like to seduce the same as taking a class you want to get a good grade in. You do your homework, you study hard for the tests, but you don’t worry and fret over the class or the material the rest of the time. What do you do instead? You live your life. It’s the same with seduction.
Now let’s take a closer look at what I mean by being totally present with a woman. Being totally present can be totally different than showing up. By just showing up you’re there in body but not in mind as well. We’ve all been on a date we didn’t really want to be on and know how we didn’t show up mentally, but the same thing can happen with a woman we’re totally hot for without our realizing it? Why? Because the “Me Show” (explained in last week`s article in Seduction Insider) rears it’s head again.
When we’re nervous we tend to obsess over what we might be doing wrong rather than the person we’re with. If it’s a woman we’re attracted to we add to it the worry over whether or not she’s attracted to us as well. Both of these worrying actions take us out of our body and into our minds, which is not where we want to be. When we’re in our minds we miss crucial clues as to how things are going in the here and now. And in seduction you always want to be in the here and now.
Women Want to Be Seduced – They Don`t Want `Neg Hits`
As revealed in “The Science of Picking Up Women”, women want to be seduced — not only that, they often fantasize about being seduced — so use this to your advantage… If you don`t have this book yet, I sincerely urge you to get a copy.
So back to what we were discussing, and what to do now about studying women and not self-proclaimed `pick up artists`? Ask yourself how you’d respond if you absolutely knew the woman you were interested in was:
a) just as into you as you were into her
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b) wanted to spend time with you
Once you answer this question for yourself your job is to “act as if” during your time with this woman. Yes, you’re going to be nervous, but by “acting as if” you’re going to get out of your head and back into the present moment with the woman you’re attracted to. Use this trick whether it’s the first meeting, your daily encounter with a woman at the office coffee pot, or on a real date.
To stay present you focus your attention on the woman and do more asking of questions than answering them. Now this doesn’t mean you’re going to become an investigative reporter, however, it does mean you’re going to pay attention and recognize right away what she does and does not want to talk about. You’re also going to remember her answers better – which is crucial. Great seducers pay total attention, make mental notes, and use this information to forward their cause of seduction.
She`s As Good As Yours
Women are usually more than happy to open up to a man about their likes and dislikes, what annoys them though is that most men (if they’re sexually interested) pay attention to the woman’s lips moving and not what she’s saying… and she’s telling you important stuff. She’s telling you what it’s going to take to get closer to her, what’s important to her, and often what she finds romantic. Listen up!
Far too many men make sweeping generalizations about what women want romantically, sexually, and to feel special by men, when in reality each woman has very personalized taste and you’re going to win massive brownie points by paying attention and then using this information to your advantage at a later date. Think about it, if you paid attention and know she hates roses but loves Gerber daisies you’ll score big points. Same goes for knowing that she prefers day hikes to shopping, or dogs over cats.
So guys, your eyes may have discovered her, but it’s your ears that’ll help reel her in.
Now you just need to learn how real seduction works.
That’s complete horse shit!
Actually, doing the OPPOSITE of what the above poster posted will get you more success, especially with hotter chicks. I didn’t read most of that nonsense since it was most likely written by a clueless woman. Don’t get me wrong, some women may fall for those tips, but generally, MOST women respond to the contrary.
Gentlemen,
The King has been in the Game since 1966. I suspect that I am the oldest and as you all know the real world’s greatest pick up artist. Look, I love Style’s book but I can pick up circles around Style. However, he is the one with the GREAT book not your King. All is fair in love and war and in business. I love the book and it deserves a movie. I don’t think Style new about the King when he wrote the book.
I am writing a how to get laid book right now. Any one going to help me get it published. I will do the community right.
The posts you guys have made all are very interesting and make good arguments and points. I would never use an opener that is in a book. Although Styles (Mystery’s) are excellent. I use simple openers. However, all one would have to do is vary Style’s opener a little and you are on your way.
The World’s First GRAND Master Pick up Artist, Elvis Preston King
The truth about women
By the Darkchild.
Copyright В© 20….. yeah… whatever…
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Obsess away over women, drool over the woman walking by on the street, or over a secret poster in their bedroom, or over a particular adult film actresses personal website but then do absolutely nothing at all constructive about learning how women think, what they want, or (most importantly) what they desire.
Tell me something Melissa, do you really think men give a flying fuck about what women want and desire? Honestly?
I can tell you I don’t. You come in here talking like women are some beutifull prestigieus prize that men have to work for to get.
I’m not saying that these so called PUA’s are preaching divine truth, but you are really talking some ignorant bullshit you fucking female. You piss me off like real good.
I’ll tell you this, I once neg hitted a female so many times in 1 0r 2 weeks time, that after a while she just started touching me and clinging to me for no reason.
My reason for doГЇng this? She had an attitude with her, so I decided to give her one to. Result: she fell for me like a ton of bricks. And don’t come back at me with: Yeah well she probably had a lot of bagage and she wasn’t worth your time.
ALL FUCKING WOMEN HAVE BAGGAGE. IT’S IN YOUR NATURE, YOU THINK WITH YOUR EMOTIONS 9 OUT 10 TIMES.
Why is it that you female’s always expect men to adjust to your needs and want’s and desires. You egocentric emotial addict.
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So if you want a leg up on the competition, do your homework and start your training.
What is this millitary bootcamp? I have to train and do my homework to get a woman? What do you think you are, a higher lifeform whom we men have to work at to understand. Men have troube seducing women, because they are affraid that women will hurt there feelings.
Excuse me… did you say feelings? ”
What? You didn’t know? Well let me tell it to ya straight and in caps.
MEN DO HAVE FEELINGS.
Read that again you junkie. We are human to.
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Ask a number of women today for their opinion and you`ll here a resounding `yeah, creepy`.
Creepy? You wan’t to talk about creepy? Women think everything is creepy. I could walk up to a woman at night near dozens of other people and ask her if she knows what time it is, and she’d think I was creepy.
Why would he be asking me what time it is?
Doesn’t he have a watch?
Why didn’t he ask someone else.
Why me?
And why was he looking at my boobs like that?
I dunno, maybe it’s because they were almost hanging out of your dress and you were practically sticking them in my face.
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Women are shouting to the treetops about what they desire from men – but here’s the rub, they’re usually shouting it to other women.
Here’s the rub? THE RUB? I’m goГЇng to let you off the hook on that one you morron.
Yeah your right, women are always shouting what they wan’t from men (what THEY wan’t FROM men). Funny thing is, they always shout what they THINK they wan’t from men.
Cool personality, sense of humor and all that other nonsense.
And they always mysteriously neglect to actually let the man know what it is they oh so wan’t.
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You`re not going to see any pick up artist win a woman`s heart in the next block buster chic flick.
Win a womans hart? You really do think you female’s are some grand prize that we men must WIN. And I thought men only wanted sex and didn’t care about a womans hart, you remember how many times you hear that one.
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As revealed in “The Science of Picking Up Women”, women want to be seduced — not only that, they often fantasize about being seduced — so use this to your advantage… If you don`t have this book yet, I sincerely urge you to get a copy.
EVERYBODY want’s to be seduced you nimrod. Both women and men, it’s the most beautifull thing in the world, you just sit on your ass and let the other person work hard to make you feel good about yourself. And you women always neatly manage to pull men in to that role with your skintight to short for comfort skirts and pants. And let us not neglect the allmighty high heeled shoes and boots. They take cake.
Urge me to get a copy? Your no better then the PUA guru’s your flaming at. Your just here to do shameless undercover marketing. The negative spotlight is on the “PUA guru’s” right now, so you thought you could come in here and introduce your shit to us and hope somebody will take your advice over the so called guru’s. Very stealthy you junkie.
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Ask yourself how you’d respond if you absolutely knew the woman you were interested in was:
a) just as into you as you were into her
and
b) wanted to spend time with you
Once you answer this question for yourself your job is to “act as if” during your time with this woman.
WELL, maybe if she would take the time to let me know all those things, I might not have to act and I could be myself. What do you think?
She doesn’t need to come right out and tell me: I like you and I wan’t to spend time with you.
This ofcourse kills the mystery (no pun intented, not in the mood). But, she could try and flirt with the male a little bit to. A man needs to now that the woman he’s with likes him to, and that she want’s him also. Instead of pushing his buttons all the time and seeГЇng when he’s goГЇng to break. Yeah you read that right you junkie, women use neg-hits all the time, just as much as these “PUA’s” do. Probably even more.
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Women are usually more than happy to open up to a man about their likes and dislikes, what annoys them though is that most men (if they’re sexually interested) pay attention to the woman’s lips moving and not what she’s saying… and she’s telling you important stuff.
Open up to me about her likes and dislikes?
In caps for you:
YOU ARE NOT A GODDES OR AN EMPRESS, IT IS NOT MY JOB TO LISTEN TO WHAT YOU LIKE AND DON’T LIKE, I DON’T CATER TO YOU. I DON’T NEED YOUR DRAMA.
She’s telling important stuff? IMPORTANT STUFF??? I’m not even goГЇng to hit you up on that one.
How can you expect a man not to pay attention to a womans physical characteristics while she flaunts them like some porn actrice. You hate it when men stare at your lips? Don’t put fire red lipstick on them, and don’t bite. lick them so often. You hate it when men look at your ass? Don’t wear skintight jeans. You don’t like it when men look at your boobs? Try covering them up with…… CLOTHES.
Men only think about sex?
Women wear:
Anything that is skintight.
Anything that is short.
High heeled knee high boots.
Tights and stockings.
Make-up.
In short, anything that reveales or accentuates her physical characteristics.
MEN-ONLY-THINK-ABOUT-SEX
Because women basically have nothing else to offer. Ever met a woman with a personality?
SHIT!
A womans idea of a personality is probably a collection of likes and dislikes. Basic drama.
One thing you were right about in this shameless shamble of complaining and trying to teach us how to cater to women (not to mention the sly stealthy marketing) is that sincerity gets you the girl.
Sincerity is the way to charm anybody, man or women. Sincerity = charm.
Thing is, that is excactly what a PUA is doГЇng when he neg-hits a woman. He’s beГЇng sincere. He notices her attitude, and adjusts accordingly. Neg-hits her, so that she stops floating around in her inflated paranoia induced ego, and comes back down to earth, so they can have a normal conversation.
Next time your with a man (a real man) if you ever are… try not letting him do all the work, and ADD to the process. You egotripper.
Now take your pathetic marketing/ manipulation of the males species attempt back to wherever you came from, cuz honey, your a long way from home.
As for this shit forsaken “community”, you need to stop worrying about people like Style and Mystery and other self-proclaimed “guru’s” and get your shit together. The community needs to become self-sufficient and self-sustaining, and not always worrying about what Style or Mystery or some other “PU guru” is doГЇng right or wrong. Your like putty in there hands. They say jump, you say how high.
Complain to TC that his blog has gone to shit, while your the ones posting all the shit. This all started since Style starting doГЇng his shady things. It’s like your GOD betrayed you and now you don’t know what to do anymore. You finally dicovered that most of these suckers are just out to make money? WHO THE FUCK CARES?
The Darkchild
Yo, everytime this Schmelis-motherfucker shows up I have o take a dump! It’s like too much coffee!
Go to the carribea and fuck little boys like the “gay” one does in Redondo Beach”
harrrrrrrharharrrr!
(posted here: http://p219.ezboard.com/fkennethwilsonfrm2.showMessage?topicID=526.topic )
The truth about this article is that when you go to the website, there are no comments, no way to e-mail the author, nothing. I’m assuming that she’s so insecure about her findings that she has decided to post her opinions on a website that allows no debate.
I am also left wondering if she was used as a pivot by a PUA in the past who then jumped to his real target and left her high and dry.
All of these ideas assume that the person attempting to pick up the girl (seduce) is of lower value. Go into a set with a woman and act as if she is upon a pedistal and you will be blown out. Kiss her a$$ and you will also kiss her a$$ goodbye.
The funny thing is that Melissa here knocks Ross Jeffries and his methodology (along with Mystery and other PUAs) then goes on to teach you almost word for word what these PUAs teach. I am left wondering if She has written this article from her socially programmed ideals without actually studying what these Pick Up artists teach. I don’t mean this in regards to Negs which in reality are a very small part of doing pickup. I mean this in regards to her talking about paying attention and listening to the woman. Ross Jeffries talks about doing this and improves upon it – calling it eliciting values. Eliciting values is listening to what a woman talks about and finding out what she truly is interested in. Then you talk to her about it.
Then she talks about this concept of the “Me Show”. Sorry Missy, but that is also commonly talked about amongst PUAs. You cannot be inside yourself in order to successfully close a woman. You must be interested in her and the environment. The difference is, though that we teach that supplication, or putting the woman on a pedistal, will ruin any chance you have of seducing the woman. This is called “inner game”.
The way you have written the article suggests that the person attempting to seduce the woman is of lower value and thus should take steps to prove himself to the woman. This is Dangerous. A woman is not interested in men of Lower Value and a guy who attempts to get his woman by seeking her approval is finished. Approval seeking = supplication (and as R.J. says, “Those who supplicate, masturbate.).
Neg hits are a way to instruct guys to act like themselves. Many men approach women and act completely NOT like the person they really are. The same guy who would joke around with his friends and have a great, open personality will approach a woman and be stiff and boring. Neg hits are designed for several reasons. Contrary to what Missy here says they do work on certain women (I will give an example below). A) they get the guy to treat the woman with sincerity. In other words he will talk to her as if he is her friend. Instead of assumeing that the woman is a wonderful being simply because she is attractive, he is seeing if she has a sense of humor and a good personality. Mystery himself says that negs should only be used on the most beautiful of women who seem as if they have high self esteem. Attempting the same negs on a low self esteem woman or a woman who is insecure (perhaps Mssy is on of these) will blow you out of set.
If a woman walks through life and 15 guys a day come up to her and tell her she is beautiful she loses interest in those guys immediately. When you walk up to her and tell her, “I think you’re hot.” you automatically disqualify yourself as one of the other 15 guys that day that have told her the same thing. If on the other hand you comment on her in a way as if to tell her her looks are not as improtant as her personality, you are ahead of the game. Women don’t respond to men only interested in her looks. Women what a man to know her for her personality. It is refreshing to a woman to talk to a man interested in her on a personal level and so Neg hits are a simple way to convey this to her.
Example: At a party a very attractive woman sits next to me at a table set up for blackjack. It wasn’t a serious game and a guy was dealing who didn’t really know how to play. I love casino blackjack. The woman had a sort of moviestar flare about her attitude and looks. I attempted a little small talk to open her and she was cold and unresponsive. It was when I said to her, “What are you a f–kin movie star?” that she opened up completely and became warm. She wasn’t offended and creeped out. She realised I just wasn’t another guy trying to hit on her and that I could be fun and engageing. The conversation topic actually became about moviestars and it went from there wonderfully. Truth is I wasn’t even hitting on the girl.
A bad example:
3 girl set (set = interaction) by the DJ booth.
Im entertaining them and decide to pull out a neg saying, “You’re shirt kinda reminds me of a TV screen.” to my target.
Her: “You’re an A$$hole!”
Me: “Yea but I’m a fun a$$hole!”
Her: “No you’re not! … And you’re story sucks! I’m leaving.”
The funny thing is though was the way she left.
She kept looking back, I think expecting to see me all salty-faced or hurt looking.
Controlling the frame is very important! I just smiled and waved goodbye, “O.K. see ya later!” and I swear she looked back three times like she wanted a, “I’m sorry! Come back I wont be mean any more.”
Later this same exact chick is asking me to put her up on the table where the other chicks are danceing and after a few seconds she’s draping her leg over my shoulder and pulling me towards her with it. Go figure.
The key is to disqualify yourself from hitting on her so she can open up to a normal adult conversation or interaction. It works.
Try this. Next time you are at a club and see a girl you like walk up to her and say, “You look really nice and I want to get to know you. What do you like to do?”
I wont even tell you how far that will go.
Then try walking up to a woman you are attracted to and being honest. When I say Honest I don’t mean flatteringly honest. If this was your sister how would you act? If it was your friend how would you talk to her? “That outfit looks great on you… well, except for that hat. Thats got to go. Did you see those two girls fighting outside the club? There were these two…” and go from there. Don’t pause after the neg and wait for her to react. – keep going.
The way Missy makes you assume the neg works is as if you would walk up to a girl, use the neg and stand there and stare at her awaiting her reaction. Of course that would be creepy. A girl doesn’t want the creepy guy. They want the confident sexual guy who has alot of options. Negs establish to her that you are used to beautiful women. They work. Again though that is a TINY step in the greater scheme of things.
I think I could write a book here in response to Melissa’s articel but I have other things to do. The last thing I will say is this. Women are the last people on earth you want to get advice about how to pick up women with.
Anyone who has been in a longterm relationship or marriage will most likely agree. What a woman says and what a woman responds to are 2 totally different things. A woman may say she lloks for A. B. and C. in a partner but the the men she chooses are completely different time after time after time. Men are logical. Women are emotional. Yin and Yang. It doesnt make one better than the other, just different.
Read: The Machavellian’s Guide to Womanizing by Nick Casanova to understand where Mystery got some of his ideas from.
Very well written, alltough I think you are cutting these women to much slack. The reason why a woman does those stupid things you just mentioned is because they like the power.
That’s why that childish figure in your story kept looking back at you, to see if you’d crumble after she’d thrown a fit. They like to see you crumble. Ofcourse not all women are this way, but a lot of them are.
She wanted the ego booster of seeГЇng you cave in. This is in direct response to you teasing her. She notices that she is not in complete control of the situation, and that you don’t look up to her like most men do, and she can’t handle this.
So as a last resort to dominate the situation and “win”, she throws a fit. As stupid and transparent as she is, she keeps looking back at you to make sure you crumble. This will satisfy her ego.
She didn’t have to overreact like that, and if she really didn’t like you for saying that, then I really don’t think it’s necessary for her to keep looking back at you now is it?
Accordingly you handled the situation perfectly. You didn’t give in to her egocentric drama.
So what does she do? She notices that you don’t easily sway, so as another last resort she decides to try and seduce (manipulate really) you. All of the sudden she gets very sexual and tries again to dominate the situation by making you melt.
You see the bulshit? Why can’t she go for you without you having to challenge her in to doГЇng it? Lazy paranoid control-freak. Superficial shallow junkie.
If she’s even worse then this, as soon as you show one sign of weakness, she’ll blow you off. If you don’t show a sign of weakness, this woman will then effectively become your slave. Sexual or otherwise probably to.
She will kind of get stuck in a loop, and she can’t escape from it untill she feels that she has “won”. This happens after she notices that she has some power over you, or you show some sign of weakness.
This women is probably also the type that complains all men are jerks, whilst she only gravitates to and dates jerks. She’s and addict.
The Darkchild
There seems to be a lot of confusion in the air.
I received a copy of The Game as a gift and then the same person later emailed me a copy of Mystery Method. The whole time I read The Game I kept on thinking to myself that everybody featured in the book are a bunch of socially inept losers. There is no way in hell that you can build a strong healthy relationship with an intelligent woman while using these pick up methods. By the end of the book I realized that I was right all along since all the relationships featured in the book was very much dysfunctional.
Mystery Method was a good read but I learned absolutely nothing from it. The book just describes what every confidant and socially dominant male will do in any case. I have to concede that it is a well written book, considering the lack of info it provides.
What do you call a monkey dressed in a suit? Yes, you are right. You call him a monkey in a suit. That is exactly what these socially inept losers are. Socially inept loses acting like dominating males. This is all good and well until the woman finds out what is really going on and walks away from the relationship. Ross Jeffries is a great example of this.
What he hell is an opener in any case? It is pretty damn simple. When you see an attractive girl just walk over and start chatting to her. If she sounds like fun you can get her number. Why do you need all these weird tactics to do something so straightforward?
So yes if you are a socially inept loser who relies on some dumb pickup lines and tactics than you should be worried. I am glad this book was written and can’t wait for the movie to expose these losers for what they really are.
Look around you and you will see that successful people attract other successful people. All of the women I date are into me for my success and not some strange tactic. They simply enjoy being around a confidant successful man. I also choose to date successful confidant women and will one day marry one of them.
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Why do you need all these weird tactics to do something so straightforward?
That is excactly the point I’ve been trying to make for the past couple of days. For a men and a woman, getting together is the most natural thing in the world and requires nothing special.
The reason that so many people show dificits in this natural process, is because of modern day societal paranoia.
Your brain makes kind of a mental note of your past experiences and the emotions you had during those experiences. I’ve heard people refer to this as a “feedback loop”.
So if a certain situation in the past did you emotional damage, you’ll instintively try to avoid it in the here and now. This fear is sometimes based on irrational things, like seduction. Something so natural and people are still affraid of it, not just men, but women to.
This is what is known as low confidence or low self-image. And I really don think that you should be attacking these men. Because they can get laid. I’m sure of this.
And as for the value of these tactics. It can be something as simple as inspiration. Or using the info here as training wheels like some men do. Ofcourse this don mean you should rely on those stupid canned openers and shit, but some men use them with succes.
The reason they complain about not beГЇng able to use them after the book and the movie, is because they still have confidence issues and think they actually can’t seduce someone without those tactics.
As for me, I would never that silly shit. Everything I have read in this community, I just add to my subconcious mind. So when I am engaging someone, I let my instict take over and make things up on the fly. I adapt to the situation.
All the info here has been nothing but a little bit of inspiration for me. I’ve never actually been out in the field and decided that I was goГЇng to USE the Mystery Method or something like that.
But hey some men find it handy.
The Darkchild
I have informed all of my female friends of the book and most of them read it. A guy did actually attempt to use one of the lines from the book on us and then tried to beat me down since I was the AMOG. It only resulted in one of the girls telling him to leave or she will call the bouncer over.
BAHAHA!
Why would you go ahead and tell all your girlfriends to read the book? Trying to score points? Bahaha.
That guy actually tried to beat you down? LOL! What an idiot. He was an idiot anyway for copying some stupid line out of a book.
Quote: “Why would you go ahead and tell all your girlfriends to read the book? Trying to score points? Bahaha.”
No, I did it to make sure that some loser doesn’t use any of this garbage on them. I do not want to see any of my good friends getting tricked into thinking that a socially inept guy is actually worth a minute of their time.
Any of your good friends? LOL! You sound like the true opifiny Davind Deangelo’s, Wussy.
If I had to bet, I’d bet that these “good friends” are just some women who LJBF’s you.
Hey, don’t knock those “socially inept” guys who are trying to improve themselves and find ways to display their value.
Keep in mind that the most romantic hunkable hunk of all time, Mr. Darcy from Pride and Prejudice, was a socially inept guy. He starts out by inadvertently negging the heroine – he neglects to ask her to dance and she overhears him say that he finds her “tolerable” but not pretty enough to tempt him – and then it is sooooooo on! He works on improving his social skills (and does a lot of DHV) and then she finally has to admit that she was so very very wrong about him and that he makes her really hot.
For over 200 years Mr. Darcy has been the archetype of the guy chicks are looking for. All modern romance novels rip off the plot and characters of Pride and Prejudice.
I think I’ve said this before but what the heck I’ll be a total bore and repeat it again: I think the PUAs are mostly on the right track.
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rJensen
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(3/13/06 7:52 am)
Where Mystery really got his ideas from…
Dating Insider was one of the first dating ebooks ever sold on the internet dating back to 1998, since then many writers, such as Mystery have stolen ideas from the book and then used them almost word for word, without giving Dating Insider credit as being the source. For example:
In DIBook, first paragraph of Chapter 5, page 73 “your hormones take over and @#%$ everything up”.
Mystery, as quoted in “The Game” plagiarises this on
Page 19 (bottom).. “All your emotions are going to try to @#%$ you up”
As this is the very first quote by Mystery we catch, all the rest are easily matched from DIBook:
Page 20 (middle) “Find, Meet, Attract, Close”
DIBook: Chapter ‘Science / Picking Up Women’ Page 130 bottom to 131 top
Page 21 (middle) “Smile when you enter a room. As soon as you walk in a club, the game is on. And by smiling, you look like you’re together, you’re fun, and you’re somebody”
DIBook: Chapter ‘How to Be a Player’ Page 54 second paragraph, then continue down the entire page
Page 22 (middle top) ” If you look average, you’re going to get average girls”.
DIBook: Chapter ‘How to Be a Player’ page 65, bottom “Average looking girls with low self-esteem tend to end up with average guys.”
Page 37: “If the setting or circumstances aren’t conducive to physical intimacy, then give yourself a time constraint by saying “I have to go, but we should continue this.” Then get her number and leave.
DIBook: Chapter ‘ How to Be a Player’ page 51, middle “Mikey lets her talk… He jots down her phone number and then boogies. Get in and Get Out!”
Page 59: Picking up women, I realized, was a lot like stand up comedy or any other performing art.
DIBook: Chapter ‘Science / Picking Up Women page 131, bottom paragraph
what really stands out is much of Mystery’s ‘sermon’ on page 21, 22, and 37 of the book rolls straight from DIBook chapter 2 (which was published five years prior)
Why don’t you invite Mystery to email our publisher, Kent Wilson, so they can talk about this?
Edited by: adminhtp at: 3/13/06 7:58 am
LOL. Becca is on a rampage.
Truth about PUA’s? The newbie’s sometimes don’t understand what a real PUA is, and jump to conclusions when they call themselves one.
As for neg-hits, they work. I know because I’ve used them, even before I found this whole community tingy. Thing is, all I was doГЇng right at the time was beГЇng sincere.
I met this little broad with an attitude. If there’s one thing I can’t stand it’s a broad with an attitude. So I neg-hitted her like she was the reГЇncarnation of Hitler. I was having a real field day.
It worked like a charm, she started touching me and grabbing me and bla bla bla.
Make no mistake, use them the right way, and you’ll get far.
They are also very effective to get a lazy woman of her fat ass, and demonstrate some personality. Even though for some reason. I notice that women usually don demonstrate enough personality anyway. Not at all, and when it comes to seducing a man, they suck!
Ask a random woman on the street if they know how to seduce a man, and they’ll probably all say yes (even though they have never done it before).
A womans idea of seducing a man is strutting her stuff. Wearing revealing and accentuating clothes, and generally trying to eye-tease every man, any chance she get’s.
(This is usually when the man decides he wants her, and makes his approach and pulls out every jedi-mindtrick he knows to make her want to prove herself to him. all this to take away the illusion she has that no man is good enough for her)
Problem is, that the eye-teasing is just that, teasing. Wen it comes to seduction… HA! A womans tool for seduction is her body. She plant’s the urge in a mans head, and then most fo the time the man is foolish enough to act on that urge like it’s something of the utmost value.
Other then that, the average woman has no seduction skills. All women really know, is how to make a man take action.
A woman will go so far with this, so far with not taking any action and just luring it out of a man. That she’ll get impatient. When this happens your in dangerland.
She will try to press your buttons. Mostly with… NEG-HITS! You read that right women do it to. When she does this three things can happen.
1) You lose your composure and act wussy, like David Deangelo always explains. This is when she get’s frustrated because she knows that if you react this way when she stings you, you are not strong. If you’re not strong enough to resist her sting, then you are not strong enough to take action. So she will either blow you off and never get close to you, keep you around as a bank to pay for her shit and still never get close to you, or, keep you around for emotional support when the jerk she is attracted to hurts her poor wittle feelings and ofcourse, still never get close to you.
2) You either act on instinct or on something that you learned in the community or something. You realize that the sting is her cowerdly way of saying: Hurry up and do something! I’m getting impatient with you! You take physical action, and do something like kiss her or whatever. She will either be receptive or turn you down. If she turns you down it’s just another one of her cowerdly tests (neg-hit). (Solution to this is either do another “number 2)” or a “number 3)”, see following).
3) You keep your cool, either because you know what’s she’s doing because you learned it somehwere or because of instinct. You basically ignore her neg-hit and don’t show any hint that it bothered you or, you see her neg-hit and raise her another one. If you keep doГЇng this she will eventually lose her patientce and start taking action herself. Not like in ‘number 1)” where she loses her patience and makes you pay for it, because you were acting weak (wussy) there, so you have no value to her in that situation. In “number 3)” you still have value because you are displaying strength. You don’t let her hurt you when she neg-hits you.
A womans way is to go trough extraordinary lengths to make you take action, to make you take responsebility. This is because of certain psychological patterns wich I’m not goГЇng to explain. Not only that but she also only wants a guy with value to take the action.
If she can not make you take action, she will either cut her losses and blow you off (hey at least SHE got to blow YOU off), or if you have enough value she will start taking action (well there’s something rare-like).
Nasty thing is, that a guy will usually think he’s actually on a role while he is actually just playing into her hands. Even if he get’s to lay her, it will usually be on her terms.
Yep, they’re a reall piece of work these women.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that Becca is only here to encourage us guys to keep taking action so she can sit on her lazy buttocks.
Thnx Becca, you rock.
Well I forgot to mention that I think Darkchild is one of the PUAs who is more than on the right track.
I did mean to be encouraging. And I agree that the guys shouldn’t be doing all the work. I really enjoyed the PUA I talked to at Style’s booksigning who said “We can seduce each other.”
I think one of the things I’ve struggled with in reading PUA materials is how the guys have it all under control and there’s not much for women to do. The prevailing attitude from PUAs on mASF seems to be that women don’t need game, they just need to be quiet and skinny and hot.
I’m glad to see Darkchild taking a new direction.
You are right that most women think seducing a man involves slutty clothes, plenty of makeup and teasing the guy until he takes action. That’s the advice from magazines like Cosmo which basically takes the “bring him to his knees” through sex approach and assumes that all men want is sex and that women’s power comes from controlling sex.
So women follow the advice in the magazine and spend hours on hair and makeup and shopping for slutty outfits and they all wind up looking like they have the same uniform. And they all do the same teasing flirty moves as advised and get the multiorgasmic sex (don’t forget she should always come first).
And after the multiorgasmic sex is done then the women wonder why the guy doesn’t stick around for a relationship. It must be because he was a jerk. But maybe her makeup wasn’t quite right or she needs a better outfit and maybe the next guy will turn out to be different and not a jerk and he will find her special enough to settle down and have a real relationship.
It’s all a big circle to keep selling magazines that advertise the clothes and makeup and hair products that will help you land your man. And if you never get your man it’s because you didn’t buy the right outfit or tanning product.
So yeah most women have zero idea about what a guy might really want in a woman and they just keep repeating what they learned in Cosmo. It’s kind of like the guys who keep buying dinners and flowers and being super nice and generic and wind up LJBF. If nobody gets what they want then everyone can keep buying the stuff that keeps our economy going.
VERY NICE Becca.
I thought I was directing myself towards another one of the mindless mainstream followers. But I can see now that I’m actually talking to someone who is AWARE and probably an intellectual to.
And yes she is in fact a female! I knew you were still out there. Was getting a little frustrated at not finding you though, LOL. The world needs a revolution. Mindless zombies versus people who actually think.
Thnx for the excellent response Becca. Enjoyed seeГЇng there are still people out there who think for themselves instead of letting society think for them.
The Darkchild
Becca, you ignorant slut! (remember Point/Counterpoint on SNL? It’s a joke!):
Interesting post. I’ll comment:
“Well I forgot to mention that I think Darkchild is one of the PUAs who is more than on the right track.”
Well, if you don’t mind not having guys take you on dates, not spend money on you, not marry you, not fight for you, not talk to you if you aren’t at least an “8″, not talk to you if you don’t put out by the “day2″ (look it up), and not even stay monogamous with you (look up MLTR), then I guess he and the others are on the right track. If this is what you want from men, those nice guys who treat you right will disappear quicker than if you announced you had bird flu.
“I did mean to be encouraging. And I agree that the guys shouldn’t be doing all the work. I really enjoyed the PUA I talked to at Style’s booksigning who said “We can seduce each other.”
Odds are he was desirable to begin with. The methods are only useful insofar as they get you into bed where the guy wouldn’t have otherwise been able to. When you know his playbook, that is far less likely to occur the way it did when you weren’t aware that the guy’s DHVs (look up the term) were an illusion, or game he got from another. Remember Cyrano de Bergerac?
If you encourage the PUA, you are discourging the AFC and his AFC value system. The one way you can get an AFC to knock you off his pedestal for you is to tell him you like PUAs and their behavior. The only remaining AFCs are those who refuse to believe this, so please tell as many as you can and they will convert to this.
“I think one of the things I’ve struggled with in reading PUA materials is how the guys have it all under control and there’s not much for women to do. The prevailing attitude from PUAs on mASF seems to be that women don’t need game, they just need to be quiet and skinny and hot.”
This is correct. Why should that surprise you? You don’t go for losers do you? Why should these men you find so desirable? One reason they will sleep with multiple women is that there are few of these men and many women who want them.
“I’m glad to see Darkchild taking a new direction. You are right that most women think seducing a man involves slutty clothes, plenty of makeup and teasing the guy until he takes action. That’s the advice from magazines like Cosmo which basically takes the “bring him to his knees” through sex approach and assumes that all men want is sex and that women’s power comes from controlling sex.”
They assume it because it is correct. It’s just hard for a “9″ to believe that a guy can get other 9s so easily that he doesn’t need her. In fact, if a “9″ knows I have fucked a “9″ other than her, she’ll want me because of that alone.
“So women follow the advice in the magazine and spend hours on hair and makeup and shopping for slutty outfits and they all wind up looking like they have the same uniform. And they all do the same teasing flirty moves as advised and get the multiorgasmic sex (don’t forget she should always come first). And after the multiorgasmic sex is done then the women wonder why the guy doesn’t stick around for a relationship.”
Why should he? The second he fucks you, he’s more desirable to hotter women who used to reject him and he trades up. Also, you begin to expect him to act like a boyfriend and you know his weaknesses, plus you’ll want to “beta” him or whip him, when he doesn’t have to do this. Other women will want him because you did, and they will work harder to get him, making them easier conquests than you, and often they will be hotter.
You are the one who says that men who do this are “on the right track.” The men do this because the women they deal with reward this behavior and punish the AFC who treats them well. Why should a man do all that work if it’s going to harm his sex life, when he can be a “jerk” and improve it?
You are what you fuck.
“It must be because he was a jerk. But maybe her makeup wasn’t quite right or she needs a better outfit and maybe the next guy will turn out to be different and not a jerk and he will find her special enough to settle down and have a real relationship.”
More like she’s not as hot as she thought, and her competition is hotter than she thought, which makes her standards too high. It’s not a guy’s fault if you chase men you aren’t sexy enough to keep, is it?
“It’s all a big circle to keep selling magazines that advertise the clothes and makeup and hair products that will help you land your man. And if you never get your man it’s because you didn’t buy the right outfit or tanning product.”
Sometimes that is true. It’s up to people to determine the value of those products.
“So yeah most women have zero idea about what a guy might really want in a woman and they just keep repeating what they learned in Cosmo. It’s kind of like the guys who keep buying dinners and flowers and being super nice and generic and wind up LJBF. If nobody gets what they want then everyone can keep buying the stuff that keeps our economy going.”
So you don’t want dinner? Men were taught to practice courtship. The ritual used to have a purpose. Would you rather a nice guy just asked you if you want to fuck?
Well johnny, i’m sorry to say that you are the one portraying ignorance here. First of all, you make it out as if Becca is complaining that things aren’t going her way or something.
She’s trying to make a point, and it’s mostly a point in favour of men.
You misunderstood WHY men do all the work most of the time. It’s not just when your being AFC, but also when your being a jerk and taking control of your sex-life.
There are two types of people in this world. Superficial people who follow society blindly, and people who think for themselves and try to BE themselves.
The types of women/ people were talking about here are the superficial ones. The ones that MAKE (yes make) men do all the work by eye-teasing them, and neg-hitting/ shit-testing them. Leaning back and letting him come close on her terms and when she want’s him to.
This is excactly why men fuck these women and then dump them, because they have nothing else to offer. You both explained this in your posts yet somehow you seem against Becca.
I don’t know if you read my post, but if you haven’t you should, and if you have you should read it again.
Superficiality means your not being yourself, and your values have made place for indoctrinated (by society or otherwise) values.
You must be wondering why it is you are doing all the work. I’ll explain. Who usually approaches women in clubs and on the streets etc.? Who puts aside his initial values as a “nice guy” and becomes a “jerk” in order to take control of his sex-life? Who runs the risk of beГЇng blown off by a woman initially?
Women lure you in you morron. You see her, you wan’t her, you go for her. She just stands around looking hot and waits for a potential mate to come along. You run your best game and tricks on her, so that you can sleep with her, and keep her around for when you wan’t SEX (MLTR).
I don’t know about you, but I like a woman who has more to offer then just a hot body and some sex. I like a woman who actually has a mind. A woman who can thrill me. And that trill isen’t just sex.
Who almost always makes the first moves, sexually or otherwise (kissing, touching etc.) It’s you ya nimrod. Kinda tired of women who think men only wan’t one thing. Hell, i’m kinda tired of men who think they only wan’t one thing.
I’m not saying that what you explained isen’t the right way to go most of the time. If a woman makes all these demands and doesn’t think about what I might like (other then the fact she thinks all I wan’t is sex), then I’ll make it so.
I’ll spin her head so fast she won’t know what hit her, I’ll turn her into my little sexslave, because after all, isen’t that all I wan’t?
Men are humans to, we have feelings to, I think you would also like to have your ego stroked once in a while. Without having to force it out of someone, namely women.
Ya dig? Becca was making the excact same point m8. I think now we can agree on the fact that those women were talking about are shallow.
And because of what you said wich was absolutely true: You are what you fuck.
You are effectively becoming shallow yourself by playing this stupid little game that society has made up.
“Men only wan’t one thing, and women should make men work for it”
“Men can sleep with as many women as they wan’t, and women should dress hot for men or else they will never get one”
And etc. etc.
I can hear you saying now, “yeah well that’s life”. And this is true, but I’d like to think that this will change someday.
But untill then ofcourse, I say fuck it, become a jerk and take control.
The Darkchild wrote:
“You must be wondering why it is you are doing all the work. I’ll explain. Who usually approaches women in clubs and on the streets etc.? Who puts aside his initial values as a “nice guy” and becomes a “jerk” in order to take control of his sex-life? Who runs the risk of beГЇng blown off by a woman initially?
Women lure you in you morron. You see her, you wan’t her, you go for her. She just stands around looking hot and waits for a potential mate to come along. You run your best game and tricks on her, so that you can sleep with her, and keep her around for when you wan’t SEX (MLTR).”
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Hey, man I really enjoy your posts and respect you a lot, bro. I want you give you some food for thought in regards to your quote above/my two cents:
Has it EVER occurred to you (or any man reading this) that a man can flip the game on women and get them to do the EXACT same thing that women get US to do?
Oh, it’s true! It’s true! And it happens all the time. (Note: Women can only “get over” on men who don’t know the damn game.)
That’s right a man can “lure” women in, MAKE THEM (yes MAKE them) do all the work and chase, and get them to take all the risks (etc) as a result.
And a guy doesn’t have to be handsome, rich, powerful, famous or a jerk to do it.
How do you do this?
Speaking from experience, I can tell you THIS: “PIVOTS” are WONDERFUL!
Listen guys a man of HIGH STATUS is the EQUIVALENT of a bitch that’s a DIME PIECE.
A female 10 will work just as hard for a HIGH STATUS man’s dick, just as hard if not harder than an AFC will work for that 10′s pussy.
BELIEVE IT.
PERIOD.
And being seen with a chick on your arm gives the perception that you are HIGH STATUS.
A slightly unattractive, average-looking, or otherwise undesirable guy that couldn’t get a chick to NOTICE him (let alone FUCK him) will suddenly find himself diving “head first” (pun intended) into a pool of HB pussy if he uses pivots and keeps “trading up”.
See it’s NOT about the pivots, per se, it’s the STATUS (real or perceived) that they bring to an otherwise undesirable guy.
Just “trade up”, and you’ll be surounded by 10′s before you know it. A 10 WILL fuck you JUST because she knows you have fucked other 10′s. Almost always regardless of what you have or what you look like.
Final note: To be successful at this game, you’ve got to learn to play it like chicks do.
Chicks don’t approach, usually, do they? Nope. Why? Because they don’t have to.
She’s hot (high status), men see her, they want to fuck her and then they go after her. Finally, all she has to do is sit back and pick out the most desirable men she’d like to fuck. Namely, any man that comes off or otherwise conveys that “he gets laid anyway/has sexual options.” (Hint: Being seen with a chick on your arm will do that.)
A woman’s “status” is her LOOKS. The better her looks, the higher her status.
A man has several options to choose from to be considered “high status”: Handsome, rich, powerful, famous /popular (meaning being well know by and being seen with lots of females), or “AlphaMale” (Jerk).
As you can see, all you need is female friends/PIVOTS, and you can be just as high status as you’d be if you were rich, handsome etc.
So, pick one of the ways to be “high status”, get a chick to “realize” that you’re high status, and then sit on your ass and DO NOT approach her. If the bitch wants some dick, she’s going to have to get up off of HER ass and…
…DO ALL THE WORK.
PERIOD.
A man is seen with a chick (High status).
Chicks see him with the chick on his arm (realize he’s high status).
They want him.
They go after him to fuck him and do ALL the work in the process.
Told you it works both ways.
PERIOD.
Now THAT is game!
Tingly
My man! Finally someone who knows his shit!
Thnx for the compliment m8.
If there is anything true in this world, it’s that men can flip the game around and make women do all the work. Seduce them like mad. (Same way they do to us)
That pivotting technique you explained is GOLDEN. Women always want men who already get attention from other women, expecially if they’re hot women.
There are more ways of luring women in and getting them to do the hard work (or at least part of it, god knows they usually don’t do shit). One thing i’ve found that works like magic is BODYLANGUAGE. It is easy to see a persons (mental) state, when you look at his or her bodylanguage. Women do this automatically when they are interacting with men.
Bodylanguage is one of the most powerfull sexual techniques there is.
Some people even say that if your bodylanguage isen’t right, all the other tricks in your bag won’t work. Alltough men who know how to game usually automatically (unconciously) display good bodylanguage, there is a higher level of this perticular technique. Usually a man will start to express this “bodylanguage” only AFTER he starts gaming a woman, it happens automatically. This is called congruency.
I think it’s when you conciously make an effort at keeping your bodylanguage good that things start to happen
Your back should be straight, chest a bit forward and shoulders back (and gut tucked in if you have one
). You should stand “tall” (I like to stick my thumbs in my pockets and let my hands hang from them to, it’s classic 
). Ofcourse you shouldn’t exagerate this, it has to look natural and relaxed. You should come off as “strong” but relaxed at the same time.
(A.K.A. SMOOTH
)
If you do this right, you wil look SMOOTH and in control. In other words: Masculine. This should reflect onto every one of your “behaviours”. (congruency)
When you walk, you do the same. You walk “toned” and relaxed.
It sounds simple but it’s VERY POWERFULL. You would be surprised.
The upper body in perticular (and ofcourse your butt lol
) can be a tool in a mans arsenal to get women to notice you. Ofcourse you have to be in good shape if you want this to work right. That doesn’t necesarily mean you have to work out (alltough this does help alot). As long as your not fat and parts of your waist aren’t sticking out where they shouldn’t, this technique will work wonders.
The body parts I talked about ealier (shoulders etc.) are typical “attractive to women” masculine traits. Because it’s these body parts that can make a man look strong and powerfull (masculine). Women like powerfull men remember?
This is why women (usually) like tall men. Not only does good bodylanguage look even better in tall men, but tall men almost always have good bodylanguage. This is because bad posture is fare more obvious in tall men, it doesn’t look good.
If you are interested in working out, I recommend the Bruce Lee type body. Women usually like men with a toned and natural looking body. Not the big buff oversized bodybuilding types. alltough if this is what you like and you feel comfortabel with it, you should do it.
I usually take this up a notch by wearing the right clothes. There is one type of clothing that is universally attractive.
“Tight clothes”. When you see a woman with a tight pair of pants that shows off her ass, you dig that. When you see a woman wearing pantyhose, tights or stockings that show off her legs, you dig that. When you see a woman wearing a tight top that shows off the shape and sometimes size of her breasts, you dig that. Especially if she’s showing nipple, lol
.
Well this same principle goes for men. For example alot of men believe that women don’t like to look at a guys ass the same way we like to look at there’s. This is deffinitly not true. Women like it as much as we do. Thing is, that women show it off more, society is designed that way. There aren’t a lot of men’s pants (nowadays) that are tight. But almost all women’s pants are tight. And they ofcourse have bigger butts then we do, that also makes them more noticible.
I’ve noticed women looking at my ass. I was wearing sweatpants. And sweatpants ofcourse fall over your ass, so they show off some shape. And I used to play Soccer so I got a lot of meat here;).
One thing that women are deffinitly attracted to is a mans posture/ upper body. A persons posture says alot about a person. And a good posture in a man says to a woman: HOT!
There is a perticular brand of clothing called “Forecast” that I like to wear. They make these tight stretch-like pullovers based on cotton. They are very soft and comfortable. When you wear these your physical shape and posture shows. This will make you look VERY SEXY. It shows off your masculine phyical traits.
Combine this with good bodylanguage and you will drive women crazy!
Ofcourse not evey man likes these clothes, or even feels comfortable in them. Everyone has his own style. But they aren’t even neccesary, good bodylanguage always get’s a womens juices flowing.
Facial expression is also very important. I use a strong, relaxed and in control type of expression. It displays this kind of “dangerous”/ exciting bad boy flair. I do this especially when I’m in clubs.
Sometimes I will give a woman a certain look that conveys something to the extent of: Hey cuty…..
After this they can’t take there eyes of me.
Together with all this goes a sort of mental state. It’s difficult to explain but it’s kinda like “flow” (look it up). You feel like you are in control and you feel GOOD. You become “radient”.
Notice how us men are always able to scope out the hottest women in the club in mere seconds? That’s because women KNOW they look hot so they radiate it.
These things are kind of hard to explain, and the only way you will know how to excactly do them is if someone shows it to you. I personally just experimented with it after reading about it on the internet and noticed that women started to behave strangely around me.
Everywhere I went women would give me looks or even stare at me. Some were actually very obvious about it, whilst women usually make an effort to hide the fact thet they are checking a guy out. Not just in clubs but also on the street etc.
Have you ever heard of the “doggie dinner bowl” look? I think Ross Jeffries came up with it. It’s a look that women give you when they are hot for you (as in when they want to fuck you because you make them horny). I got this look from a lot of these women without even saying a word to them.
In clubs it gets even better. Women will try to do all kinds of things to get your attention. Look at you, stare at you, sign you to come over, come stand really close to you and give you looks from like 1-2 meters away.
One girl actually tapped me on the back once. Women like a hot body as much as men do. Perhaps even more. Women are very sexual creatures, contrary to societal ideas
I think a lot of men underestimate the concept of “smooth”. The change in how women acted around me really blew me away. I haden’t experienced anything like it before I started applying myself to it, and I was going out almost every weekend at the time.
Truth is, in the traditional sence, women are much better at seduction then men. Not because they know so much about it or whatever, but because they are DESIGNED that way. It’s pure nature.
According to society it’s men who always think about sex. Ever notice how a woman will always wear clothes that either reveal or accentuate (like I explained above) her physical characteristics. Tight clothes, short skirts (make-up). You name it.
If you want good game, then ask yourself what it is about women that turns you on. Copy a few “women-like” tactics. Your game wil skyrocket. Women don’t know jackshit about seduction the same way we do. All they know is how to LURE a man. And they are VERY good at it.
Wan’t to know how to lure women? Study how they lure YOU. (This doesn’t mean that you should go out and by a skin-tight mini-skirt and a pair of stockings, if any of you didn’t get that part, go seek help
)
2 days ago I was at a subway station waiting for the metro. I was feeling good and I had my bodylanguage “tweaked”.
And I noticed this girl that kept checking me out from the corner of my eye.
After a while I looked straight at her and waited for her to turn her face to me again so our eyes would lock (I had this badass look on my face that said: Are sure you wan’t/ can handle this, lol). Se turned and our eyes locked. I kept looking at her untill she looked away.
This is when it became interesting.
After a while I distanced myself from her a bit and stood out of her view. She then proceeded to decrease the distance between us and came and stood within my view again.
She was (conciously or unconciously) making sure that we could see each other (making sure I didn’t “sever the connection”. She had that “look” that I talked about earlier on her face to.
Then she started displaying traits of nervousness. Playing with her hair, not beГЇng able to stand still in one place, grabbing her phone to call someone up and chat.
(I’ve noticed that women who get nervous like this around men on the street often grab there phone and call someone. It’s kind of like a distraction or something to soothe the nervousness. It’s happend to me before)
Very funny to watch
.
It’s very interesting how women can easily be seduced if you keep your calm and go with the flow. And actually try and make an effort at BEГЏNG SEXY. Not just with your verbal game but with the whole package.
All humans have this instinct (that includes us men). It’s just that due to evolutionary principles women started doГЇng it first.
You peeps should try some of this out, and if you don’t notice anything, your either not doГЇng it right or you’re just butt ugly, lol.
Now you might be thinking: Well then why do you sometimes see fat/ ugly guys walking around with hot bitches?
Well that’s because they’ve really got they’re verbal game down.
Well then why don’t you see fat/ ugly women walking around with men all the time?
Like I said, women don’t know jack shit about seduction the way do. They don’t have verbal game. Women LURE, and luring is done with the physical body.
(Actually there are men out there who only like fat women, I saw a documentary on it once, lol, those women probably had some good verbal game
. These men probably like these women because fat women are usually a lot of fun and have very nice personality’s, even if they are fat. You know the type)
Jezus this must be my longest post ever, LOL.
Try this stuff out and if you don’t get it at first, remember, practice makes perfect.
Nighty night folks.
The Darkchild
Darkchild good post, however, I have a problem with consciously controlling my BL.
I don’t like the idea, in other words. Razorjack speaks of this very thing in his method.
It’s better to just get in a state of mind/adopt a set of beliefs that are projected through BL since BL is merely the physical interpretation of what’s going on in your head.
Solve the problem (low self-esteem, fear etc) and you solve the problems with the BL.
Tingly
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