Yet AnotherPoor Review Of Real Social Dynamics
February 20, 2006 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
Man, these reviews just keep coming in…
Boss Playa writes:
I am going to try and make this review of my experience of the Real
Social Dynamics workshop as unbiased as possible and let you decide
come to your own conclusions.The instructors for this workshop were
Mike, Jlaix (Jeffy) and Christophe. The first night the instructors
told us it was going to be nothing but approaching. I wasn’t looking
forward to this considering that going into the workshop I had done
over a 1,000 approaches (which is over 20x more than any of the other
students). Since the workshop was held in my hometown Chicago I
suggested that we head off to a bar called the Apartment.When we get
there Jlaix asked anyone if they want drinks and orders one for
himself. He makes me open a set which I do and afterward he says I did
really well so the rest of the workshop he’s pretty much off my back
about approaching except maybe 4 other times. The entire reason I took
this workshop was to see the instructors game, not to approach.The
entire night I continue to pick Jlaix’s brain because I think he’s got
phenomenal game even though I haven’t seen him ever open a set and I
try to get him to approach the whole night. I eventually get Jlaix and
Christophe to open a set and I sit one foot away from them to listen.
From my perspective Jlaix’s girl looks into him for the first three
minutes or so and Christophe, for whatever reason, stops talking to his
girl. Soon after the girls go to the bathroom.The set lasted about 5
minutes. At the end of the night we debriefed in a pizza place and Mike
was reading off of a card what we need to do better next time. That was
day 1. On day 2 the instructors stated that the goal was for the
students to use a routine stack. We went to the same bar, the
Apartment, and I once again was forced to do very little which was fine
by me as long as the instructors approached.The only thing I had to do
this was reopen the same girl with the same opener about 4 times which
was no problem. Jlaix was testing my anxiety and persistence and
thought the girls might become more into me if I looked like I didn’t
give a fuck.At one point in the night every student was with
Christophe and I realized no one had any idea where Jlaix or Mike were.
They had been gone at least half an hour. I asked Christophe where they
were and he didn’t know so he had the other students open sets while he
and I went out on a mission to find them. We went upstairs and found
them in a corner laughing with drinks in their hands and having a good
time.Christophe started screaming at them and they replied that they
were opening sets for students. There were clearly no students around
them or even on the same floor as them and there were clearly no girls
near them. At the end of the night when we debriefed one of the
students flipped out that Mike and Jlaix were gone so long and Mike
replied that he was doing demos then the student yelled out “Bullshit!”
and they had nothing to say back.These debriefs were all held in the
same pizza place which was a very public setting were people could hear
us talk about game. That night one guy who was not in the workshop and
was eating at the pizza place yelled out “I have a question” to Jlaix
and Jlaix responded “Yes, you’re fat”. The guy, who was about twice
Jlaix’s size, then charged at Jlaix and shoved him in the chair he was
sitting in so hard that Jlaix got knocked right into the wall and broke
the chair he was sitting in into 3 pieces.The cops then came but Jlaix
didn’t press charges so it was a very short dispute. The past 2 days
the instructors had said that the third day would be all demos so I was
reallllllly looking forward to this day.Before we headed out I
mentioned to Jlaix and Mike about how they were gone so long last night
and they claimed they couldn’t remember this. They didn’t deny it or
accept it. They claimed they just couldn’t remember. I assumed that
either they were lying or they had drinken too much last night or a
combination of both. When we arrived at the same bar the Apartment once
again for the third day in a row they told us that only the second half
of the third day would be demos.Like the rest of the days, the other
students were pushed into sets and didn’t do anything else the first
half of this day. When we got there Mike saw that the college he
attends UCLA had a close football game on TV so he took some time out
to watch it and not pay any attention to the students. He was by
himself at the bar watching a football game.During the second half of
the day Mike and Jlaix opened a set of girls and Mike soon told one the
girls that her head was shaped like a pear. She angrily went to the
bathroom and Mike grabbed her arm but she pushed it away.Next set of
girls Mike and Jlaix talked to were 2 girls. I was right next to them
the whole time. Mike talked to his girl for a few minutes then she
started losing interest and turned the other direction. For whatever
reason the girls left 10 minutes into the conversation. Jlaix talked to
another girl for about 5 minutes and then she left. She ran to her
friends saying “ewww. That guy said he would do —– if I kissed him
so I left.” At the end of the night none of the instructors sets were
going that well. Jlaix ended up talking to a girl that was
approximately 5’5” and 250 lbs. All Christophe could say was “she’s not
sleeping in our room tonight”.I took a cab ride back with two of the other students and both
students were saying how none of the instructors were that good. One of
the students said he didn’t think Christophe talked to any girls the
whole time he was there and the other student compared them to another
workshop company saying that the other workshop instructors didn’t go
for super hot chicks but at least they had some skill compared to the
RSD instructors.So here is where I put in my opinion. I’d say the instructors skill
level was very low. I honestly have friends who on their worst nights
still do better than any of the instructors were doing which made me
very unsatified. Christophe goes in high energy on the girls he talks
to and never drops it which I thought was totally a beginner’s mistake.
I don’t think any of the instructors were good enough to be teaching
guys how to get women. Also, expect to take shit from the instructors.They know that 99% of the guys who take these workshops are wimps and
don’t stand their ground so they take full advantage of this. On the
third night I really didn’t want to go to the Apartment bar for the
third night in a row because I wanted to go to a nice venue and see the
instructors talk to really hot women. On the third day Mike said we
could go someone nice if all the students agreed.Well, all the
students agreed then Mike said how only the instructors know which
place is best for the students. The real reason the instructors wanted
to go the Apartment bar was because Mike and Jlaix wanted cheap drinks.
Every night they drank and Jlaix even mentioned to me about how cool it
was that they had $2 St. Pauly Girl beer.Overall I think the students
got very little value out of the workshop. All most of them did was go
into set for a few minutes and then leave. Another things the
instructors do is say that they make barely any money off of these
workshops and that they just do it for the students which is completely
off.The CEO Nick wears $800 D & G shoes from what I’ve heard and I
know someone else who saw the other CEO Tyler (Owen) with 4 full
shopping bags of clothes in his hands after shopping at Melrose in L.A.
which is extremely expensive. After the workshop I talked to Tyler
about the issues I had with the workshop and he said he was going to
call some of the students to verify it and get back to me but he never
did, even after I tried to contact him several times after.
Buyer Beware.
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Completely untrue. My instructors are top notch TV watchers. They can also say go approach that two set like no other. And all that for the very low price of $1500, how can you pass up an offer like this?
Tyler and RSD are cons–if u have some what of a game don’t even bother but if you are a person who can’t talk to women AT ALL then still avoid them becuase they can’t too ( with exceptions of TD cuz he is a robot who copys ppl as he goes)
And since the robot ( tyler) is bussy spending all of your money in hollywood, it is most likly u arent ever gonna be thought by him.
RSD = REALLY STUPID DORKS
I didn’t think or hope that it would come this far, but I’m going to warn the people from my lair about RSD.
This stuff’s outrageous. $1500.- for that!
I cant believe that this type of stuff goes on. I wanted to take a workshop for awhile, maybe even RSD, but I am convinced that the industry is just selling snake oil and can’t be trusted.
I do know one guy I have met personally who spoke well of his RSD bootcamp, and his game was very sharp. However, with the variance in experiences, how can you spend $1500 on something like this?
It sounds like this “industry” needs a dose of professionalism. As a veteran of the consulting industry, I know that any of the types of bush league behaviours I read about here and in other reviews during billable time would get you fired by clients in a second. Yes, I know that the game revolves around hanging out in bars and picking up women, but principles of customer service, client/consultant relationships, preparation, standardization, and delivery of product should be constant.
With any other consulting service, there are explicit deliverables, or a syllabus in this case, that are outlined prior to the engagement. Billable time is not drinking time, sarging on your own time, or football watching time. If you told the client you were not going to do what they asked (ie opening sets), so long as it was not illegal or immoral, you would at best get fired and at worst, sued.
Its one thing if these guys aren’t very good at PU. Everyone has bad nights and good nights. Its quite another if they run a shoddy and unstructured business…which seems to be the issue of the day here.
TC, I know you don’t like RSD, so the first few reviews I thought were a bit exaggerated and what-not… but now its getting hard to believe.
So is RSD for complete Newbs? Thats a shame. My friend who took RSD told me how bad it was (though he said 26 was a great guy), but this was like 2-3 years ago…
Well I’m only going to Mystery Method at this point, although I don’t have any money at all… so hopefully MM will still be top-notch in 4 year’s time after I graduate.
Also hopefully Mystery will be back teaching it.
Also, when is TD going to release his damn ebook! hah
Thundy,
Your personal rift with Tyler and the RSD crew is well established. You have zero credibility to post this review that states that Christophe has no game without mentioning that you have personally seen him game successfully.
I remember you posting about you and Cristophe having a pretty wild night with strippers at a night club in Chicago back in Nov 2003 during the DYD seminar.
i love the workshop circuit. I would like to see the financial statements of those companies, for sure, for sure
i would love ot audit them, i could be their accountant!
1. You, the person who’s reading, is lucky to have ever found this community!
2. Now don’t throw that gift away by reading this site.
3. Instead, look up Mystery’s site or Tylerdurden’s.
(4.) Stay away from people like Neil and Thundercat, just the fact that Neil associates with him shows you he is sketch. And why is Thundercat sketch?… Go do some research.
Links: fastseduction.com (free)
mysterymethod.com (not free)
Jlaix quit posting moved to spain and quit drinking… What have you done people. What have you done.
Yeah, I thought about doing RSD a while back, then a friend from Badboy’s forum told me what really went on.
To be honest, do you really need a course to become a PUA?
My RSD Bootcamp experience:
http://lespuppup.livejournal.com/1671.html
http://lespuppup.livejournal.com/2901.html
http://lespuppup.livejournal.com/4298.html
http://lespuppup.livejournal.com/4872.html
Overall unfortunately more negative than positive. Read the post I’ll give you the good and the bad.
Jlaix talked to another girl for about 5 minutes and then she left. She ran to her friends saying “ewww. That guy said he would do —– if I kissed him so I left.” At the end of the night none of the instructors sets were going that well. Jlaix ended up talking to a girl that was approximately 5’5” and 250 lbs. All Christophe could say was “she’s not sleeping in our room tonight”.
Tyler who??
hey post your negative review here of RSD also
http://www.ripoffreport.com/
get it indexed in Google ASAP
I believe this story is accurate. It matches two wingmen accounts that were told to me in person. One of them had also taken a MM workshop which he thought was excellent, btw.
RSD complaints are mainly centered around the fact that instructors either refuse to approach or get blown out when they attempt to approach. The main problem at RSD would then seem that the instructors skill levels are simply too low to demonstrate.
OTOH, Sinn from MM was givenr ave reviews by a friend.
From what I heard, this story is a fabrication and is hosted on this site because Thundercat (who runs this site) runs a competing business against RSD through his joint ventures with Neil Strauss and Mystery Method (who pays Thundercat to write bad reviews).
I’ve heard nothing but good things from people who have taken RSD bootcamps.
I’ve never went to an RSD bootcamp, but I downloaded 2 superconferences by tyler durden on mp3 using bittorrent. The first, older one was okay, but the most recent 2006 one was great, and durden definitely stepped his game up a lot. The first few cds worth of speaking were solid and as good as anything out there, and the later stuff about his new natural game nd how he’s moved away from canned material was excellent, basically the most advanced stuff out there, and with all due respect to neil strauss the best stuff written (spoken) about picking up.
Whatever bad things you can say about them, there is no way the picture painted of RSD on this site is 100% accurate. Now that the company is the biggest of its kind and there are bootcamps all over the world, theres no way all the instructors are as good as durden, and more advanced people might find them lacking, but that in and of itself isn’t nearly enough to go on a crusade to destroy their company over.
what gives, thundercat? everytime i look up rsd on google I come across you ranting about how you’ll expose them expose them, they’re frauds, etc etc, but other than linking to some poor reviews of their bootcamps, I’ve never actually heard you say much about what it is that makes you hate them so much. You say they’ve tried to shut this site down (can’t say I blame them since you’ve officially declared you want to destroy their business), so I understand its personal, but why is that enough to go off on them like this.
If you spent more time admitting what IS good about Durden -and some of it is indeniably good, no matter how much you hate- and became more constructive and gave specifics about what’s bad, I’d take you a lot more seriously.
the review seems very bad and unprofessional. I’ve taken a Pick Up 101 workshop and they are very professional and the instructors all give a lot of attention to the students.
about RSD however, I got their Foundations DVD set and I think it’s amazing. somethings Tyler said in the DVD are really life changing. it’s great stuff.
Wow. Either these guys suck as much as Ive always suspected or Thundercat sent a ringer into the workshop to write a bad report.
However I actually think its probably just a bad workshop.
We got guys out by us who are starting workshops and charging for text and phone consultation too and they really dont have good game at all.
I wonder now, after Mysterys show if things are gonna get way outta hand. Soon Seduction schools will be in every city on ever street corner like Martial Arts and will charge Fourty bucks a month or something.
Then the bigger names Like Mystery Method or Venutian Arts or RSD will get bought up by big investors who will make seduction like Starbucks.
Hmmm.
RSD rocks!
I have to give Thundercat props and kudos for having the balls to stand up to RSD and post honest reviews about their company. Most guys on RSD are obvlious to the negative reviews since the admins and modersators promptly delete anything negative from their forums.
Before guys sign up for our bootcamp (ABC of Attraction) or anyone elses programs, we always encourge them to ask around in their local lair for guys that personally invested in their program and hear their toughts on it first hand.
Why don’t you ever write anything positive about Tyler Durden or Real Social Dynamics…you’re always focusing on the negatives..that is proof it IS personal. What about the Blueprint Decoded DVD set?? That has to be one of the BEST products available right now…I know because I have listened to the whole thing..my life has improved soo much because I can finally be myself and I understand the “matrix” now. Mystery and Style are not being themselves..everything they do is scripted..it’s training wheels, basically. I’m telling you, man, NATURAL GAME is all the rage now!
Is this review real???
This review has been DEBUNKED! Here’s what Alex has to say:
http://www.rsdnation.com/showthread.php?t=21376
http://www.rsdnation.com/showthread.php?t=21376
http://www.rsdnation.com/showthread.php?t=21376
http://www.rsdnation.com/showthread.php?t=21376
It still stands. RSD Bootcamps are top notched. And TC is KJ!
TUHNDER CAT’s pathetic!!
He just bitches and moans about TD and RSD!!
You can find negativety in every1 and everything!! He’s not trying to help people make the best choice he’s just moaning about other people’s proactiveness and action!!
How many successfull products have u made THundercat??
Go do sumtin, go out and stop sitting at ur computer all day critisising the people that have the gonads to do sumtin
Theadore Roosevelt
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
TUHNDER CAT’s pathetic!!
He just bitches and moans about TD and RSD!!
You can find negativety in every1 and everything!! He’s not trying to help people make the best choice he’s just moaning about other people’s proactiveness and action!!
How many successfull products have u made THundercat??
Go do sumtin, go out and stop sitting at ur computer all day critisising the people that have the gonads to do sumtin
Theadore Roosevelt
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”