Seduction Center
June 20, 2005 by Thundercat
Filed under News
Got a message from the Croatian camp today from a guy who goes by the name KillaBee.
k1lla bee writes:
Hi Thundy, i am wondering about something and since you got most info about seduction community i think you can help me out.I am talking about this www.seduction-center.com where my friend Seduction One, or his other nick on Lounge is El-Kabiljo already held one awesome free workshop, and we would like to spread the word a little around the community. We are from Croatia he is in game around 4-5 years one of old school Croatian players with Attila, and Bad Boy and i am 2 years in game, but i am more oriented towards marketing and show people what they get from this, and he to showing them on field. I think that page shows enough of info about type of thing we are doing.
We are not rock stars, or poker players or whatever this guys in USA pretend to be to sell the product, we are just normal cool guys that are having much fun in their life, and we want more fun. We don’t do this for living and that’s why there is no pressure and guys really enjoy having cool time with us.
The website actually is pretty slick looking, and the English ain’t bad either. Who knows? It may just be worth checking out.
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I’ve read Badboy’s archive and I haven’t seen you anywhere?! Where the hell are those reports??? Where do you pick up women together and where do you hang out, which one of you is a better seducer? If I have to go to far and distant Croatia, I’d go to the one who had more women! So tell me who is better, you or Badboy?!?
The guy giving those workshops is one of the lamest ever seen. But I think they are affiliated with Shark’s Fidentia….
can you elaborate “friend”. or are you bullshitting us?
I’m having a really hard time accepting that Croatian men have anything at all to offer in terms of Seduction skills.
In my lifetime, all the Croatians I have encountered have been violent, aggressive, childish, assholes.
“The guy giving those workshops is one of the lamest ever seen. But I think they are affiliated with Shark’s Fidentia….”
Incorrect THEY have no affliation with Fidentia in any way shape or form.
Infact Shark was laughing at kilabee right here on this blog in another post’s comments, how that guy was not good enough to get into the lounge or something like that…
Shark’s always laughing at everyone.
It only comes across like that over the internet. It seems like arrogant making fun of online (in text), but if you meet him in person you understand its something else completely. It’s just like kidding around, teasing… not at you… with you.
If you check out that post HandsomeMan you will see that Mr. Kilabee comes into the post and attacks me with his subjective arguments out of no reason,huh, I dont know why he did that cause before when I met him in Zagreb he was acting friendly????
http://www.thundercatseductionlair.com/2005/06/fidentia_worksh.html#comments
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Kilabee:”about Shark part i dont know guy that well meet him few times i hope he has changed since he left BB coz some thing he done before were just sad, but definatly he isnt same man he trys to be on line.
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AND HERE WAS MY RESPONSE:
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My response to Kilabee flame:
“about Shark part i dont know guy that well meet him few times i hope he has changed since he left BB”
Kilabee you are whining like a little girl. I didn’t want to give Kilabee a yes wote for Mystery Lounge:that is his reason for writing lies now on forum. He thought I would give him a yes wote just cause he is from Croatia, yea right:) !
Anyway Kilabee maybe your memroy doesn’t serve you right but ve have met only once in a club and that was this year in Novalja,Pag.
The best sarging place on Adriatic. A beach with 3 big discos KILABEE, El-KabiljoAtila. Markan(Mr Ice)
and Baritelj were there(I think).
If you rember you were taliking about some theory when I saw the MOST BEAUTIFUL girl in Novalja. She was the most beautiful, dazzling, I think I wrote a field report somewhere….I imediatley ran and took her out of her group and isolated her in another club, then I amoged some baldies trying to take her and then we made out for the whole night.
You and El-Kabiljo saw me and you were running around aproaching ewerybody(did you acomplish anything????).
Also Kilabee do you remember when I met you and Baritelj in Tkalčićeva street I was making out with a super hottie, a month ago. These 2 girls are now good friends and they like eachother and go to coffes and shopping,
hehehe maybe they ll make my day.
So please Killabee leave me alone and go on approaching and befriending eweryone with your new routines:) I’ve waisted too much time on you!
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So here it is, anyway I am shure thats not very interesting to the readers, really:) but since my name is being called I came in to exlpain….have a good sarging day!
Also I have nothing against Mr.SeductionOne
(but I don’t know why he has a marketter that unjustfully tries to spread lies)
But the whole discussion is not on topic so lets just keep eweryting on topic and not behave like kids…
It is obvius that “a friend” is some flamer masturbator. Tony you know which one of the two shizos I mean
Well i just read everything you guys wrote, if anyone has any kind of question,or is interested to clarify something, mail me i will respond as soon i return from Vienna, hope to see some of you guys there.
Enjoy
I”t is obvius that “a friend” is some flamer masturbator. Tony you know which one of the two shizos I mean
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Yeah …..RECOIL>>>>>>….
Shark I like you. You’re a cool guy. In Fidentia, Shark and The One are the only cool guys.
The fucking traitor, Nightlife aka Robert Torrey’s a fucking loser. Because of that motherfucker I’d never attend a Fidentia workshop. Torrey motherfucker’s a stupid, arrogant motherfucker who can’t stand up for himself and can only come up w/jackass remarks.
Torrey kicked me out of his Yahoo! Group because I challenged him and Mine99′s bitch David Riker, Riker’s one of the guys that Torrey sucks dick at. Torrey you’re a faggot. If I ever see you in SD when your visiting Mystery’s workshop or something I’ll beat you motherfucking ass. I don’t give a fuck if you call the cops or whatever. As long as I get to beat your faggot ass I’ll fucking do it even if your faggot ass calls the cops to get me arrested and then hire a lawyer to make sure i stay there.
Torrey you’re 11th person I wish fucking dead.
Message to Ranko Magami and Teone: Get rid of the faggot Robert Torrey.
I just got done calling Robert Torrey, the motherfucker hung up on me, can you believe that? I told him, this is Handsome Man, why did you kick me off your Yahoo! Group.
He answered you were talking trash.
Hey motherfucker it was only the truth. Your group fucking sucked. I had more posts on there than you ever did, motherfucker. There’s no advice there. Just the faggot Riker going, “Well self-deprication humor is ok to do. Most of these kids believe they must show authority. They’re stupid.”
Listen you fucking faggots Riker and Torrey I hate you both. Having a higher value in the bitche’s eyes is all that matters. You fags wouldn’t know about fucking chicks ‘cuz you 2 are busy sucking each other’s cocks. Homosexuality is acceptable by me, don’t think I hate you fags becuase you’re fags, I hate you ‘cuz of who you are.
I need to get a life.
Hey, “K1llabee” ,are you the funny-looking guy on photos with Atilla and some UGs you have aproached?
Man, I seriously pity you, me or Shark would never aproach such ugly chicks, cause we don’t like talking to UGs.
I wish you more warmups and befriending UGs, I think it suits your personality
Recoil
The last post wasn’t by me, it was actually Robert Torrey trying his passive agressive techniques.
Torrey fuck you man, don’t try to post as me. Post as yourself you fucking faggot. Thundercat can even tell you the difference in the IP addresses.
“Hey, “K1llabee” ,are you the funny-looking guy on photos with Atilla and some UGs you have aproached?
Man, I seriously pity you, me or Shark would never aproach such ugly chicks, cause we don’t like talking to UGs.
I wish you more warmups and befriending UGs, I think it suits your personality
Recoil”
Recoil..dude your so ugly your presence would cause a flower to wilt.
Polish prince (Recoil) walks in chick
R E C O I L S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Torrey before you get all serious and try to call the cops on me and shit because you seem like the punk that would.
I was just kidding about beating the fuck out of you at a Mystery workshop. Don’t get all twisted and try to get me for a battery charge.
The truth is I fucking hate you, and wouldn’t ever want to see you.
This is just sick… how come so many people in here just talk trash about each other instaed of having a good life?
Is this drama or comedy? Sometimes when I read this bs, it seems to all blur together.
bwahahahahah.
handsome man, you know robert t. is probably cracking up reading this shit? i’m cracking up right now. this is ridiculous, but it’s funny.
robert’s a cool dude.
and why’re you talking so tough and shit. huh? i saw some of your posts on bb’s forum and it’s all shit talking. it seems like everyone wants you to lighten up.
Well Recoils,i never seen you in my life, but i guess this guy did.
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Recoil..dude your so ugly your presence would cause a flower to wilt.
Polish prince (Recoil) walks in chick
R E C O I L S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You see when i went out with Atila we talk to everyone, guys and girls. We had such awesome time outside that ugly girls introduced us to their HOT friends,and guys introduce us to their Hot girl-friends just because we are interesting and fun to be around.
If you rate people by looks, then i am wondering
Why is anyone talking to you when this guy described you are so ugly to make flowers wilt?
Anyway when you visit Croatia next time give me a call and i will make time for meeting,your best friend shark can come too, it will be fun..
k1llaBee… I’m really confused…
How can you be friends with attilla, and not like shark… and shark and attila are good buddies… And then attila and cortez are great buddies… But then badboy is not at good terms with shark… but he’s at good terms with attila and cortez…
Shiiiiit I am confused… And who is seductionONE?
I just woke up, guys who missed Vienna summit could really be sorry coz here is so many cool people, and summit ROCKED!!
Well Alek, its all politics and we have it too much. Its sad but its true, i could write a book about it coz everything is complicated like you said
But in real life, we all talk to each other normally, its just Internet that makes some people act different then they behave in real life. Atila is just awesome guy, when you meet him you know its fun to hang out,after all this time he surprises me what he pulls on with just communicating, and with cortez i meet up form time to time to exchange crazy stories that happened to us lately, i don’t need to say its always fun time.
SeductionOne is old school guy from Croatia, he has been on meeting when style lovedrop and rest of guys came to Croatia and fucked 3 girls that week. Since then passed 3-4 years, and he figured out really lot of things that can help guys improve on long term. Coz most guys problems on workshop is, feeling goes away in a week or two and they return to previous behavior, so they didn’t get what they want and that makes me sad.
Man, I respect you and everything… But this part was just negative marketing BS and you know it. You put in a negative suggestion (feedback loop) for students of competitor’s workshops. Quite malicious at that.
I personally took a workshop with Attila (fidentia workshop) and yes the “feeling” goes down when you come back… But I am at a much higher level than before the workshop. And keep improving and getting higher and higher every day. I’ve also noticed that everyone of the former students are going thru the same pattern, with those having taken a workshop say 6-7 months ago getting back to workshop levels and above…
Now what you are trying to sell here is an illusion, a fantasy. You can NOT claim that people come back from your workshop and have the “feeling” night and day… Neither do they need to be at the workshop level 24/7/365… That’s pure marketing and you know it
With that aside, what is your methodology, philosophy? Are you direct or indirect? Are you about routines and approaching many sets (like mystery style) or are you about approaching only SHBs when you feel like it and staying in the sets until a close (shark style)?
And about the workshop. I mean no disrespect, but no-one knows about you guys yet, you have no credentials, no testimonials, no reviews and you have an asking price 40% higher than a well established organization with guys who are well-known and have been in this for 3-4 years now and who have dozens of testimonials behind them.
Hey Handsomeman,
Get some fucking therapy you sad bastard.
Let’s settle some of the confusion:
Anyone who knows a little about the economic situation in Croatian can understand the temptation these guys have to try to make a couple of dollars or Euro as a seduction instructor. Or in Killabees’ case, as a marketing assistant!
The reason most of these guys know eachother is because Badboy taught most of them. Some of them, like Shark, used to work for him, until they had a falling out. It’s a common story. Bishop used to work with RJ. TD used to work with Mystery, etc.
I think most of these Croatian guys are nice guys — at least I assume some of them are or Badboy wouldn’t have spent that much time with them.
The bottom line is that the only one of the Croatians with any solid credentials as a teacher is Badboy. The difference is obvious when you start to meet them.
I think each of these guys profits from the controversy. It doesn’t matter what they say about you because as long as they are talking about you, it’s free advertising.
Thundercat, take some of these workshops and review them. Or if you’re tired of taking workshops, start sending some of your friends to write the reviews.
Poor Croatian,
Your points are well taken, but remember, Shark/Ranko’s credentials as a teacher are just as solid as Badboy’s.
He’s the one that taught Badboy direct game, I remember reading an article about it that Badboy wrote, while Badboy taught him other things like more about rapport, voice, AMOG techniques…
So Shark and Badboy have both been verified by many as good teachers, the other guys, I have no idea about.
Alek, i totally understand that you are sceptical, but i talked with like 5 guys this weekend about this thing. They experienced it, feeling just goes away totally and they get more frustrated, some guys take workshop even second time, and it doesn’t help.
I really feel bad for them, coz i know if i pay money i want something from it, not just motivation talk witch in most cases guys get. Some guys make it out, but most of them don’t.
Question is do you care more about money or about the people?
It isn’t our intention to get as much people to the workshop, just to take money. Or to tell them what they want to hear, tell them just do it!!!
I wouldn’t sleep at night if i know i tricked someone for the money, and i deffinetly woudnt do what i am doing now.
Example, like someone comes to your house to fix the roof. Weeks later it starts raining, and roof is leaking, you call the guy to fix it up and he say its not his problem. You payed him, and work is done, you probably did something wrong with the roof. That is frame most of guys have…
What i am thinking is,getting one-two guys, listen to them what they are doing with their life, spend time with them to figure out what kind of persons they are, and what they want to be. Show them in field everything that leads to their goal,coz you forget the words, but remember the action. Read the on the website i think you will get idea.
About style, i have a question
How hard was for you to define Atilas style with words?
You see i will try to define our style it in my posts, and actually i am doing research about writing style so everyone could understand what is this about. If you are interested send me mail, so i don’t write long comments.
@poor Croatian
Long time ago, when i was learning Poo-ahh, i got few numbers and went on date with one girl. Date went awesome, but i asked BB and those who hang around with him did i do it ok?
They totally trashed me, and it looked like i screw it up because i didn’t kiss the girl, and many other small things.
I toughed they know everything and i am wrong, well guess what. Next day i got sms from same girl and she said: I am bored and i am alone at home, i took my ali g movie on cd went up to her place watch the film and fuck her brains out.
After that i don’t listen what i did wrong because they are not there with me, every girl is different,and they don’t know how everything went down. I went on my own and experiment with stuff that pooped to my mind, i even took some girl on date and done everything opposite that community say and that society say, date still ended up with make out.
Point is don’t generalise, its like i would say, everyone who is form Toronto learned everything from Mystery or Td. There are many guys who learned stuff on their own. We all hang out, from time to time but we are all different, every guy is special in his way of playing game. Every guy who is teaching workshop isn’t a god, he is just normal human like me and you, they didn’t invent the seduction, they are just one of many who understand the art.
That only relates to workshops like RSD, and workshops which have no post-workshop support. Everyone who has taken a workshop where I did (fidentia) I can see on the official forums, they are still making progress daily. For some it has been as much as a year since the workshop and they’re doing even better than on the workshop. And NO ONE needs to or takes a second workshop.
Which brings in an important question about seduction-center. Do you guys teach some sort of a magical technique for keeping the EXACT same level post-workshop… Or do you have a forum + telephone support. For example fidentia has unlimited support, where anyone can ask anything and ATLEAST one of the instructors replies within a day. And some of the students from america actually call up these guys on the phone when they have a bigger issue. And they also let their students sarge with them whenever they want… And they have a 90 day unconditional money-back guarantee. Again these guys are made up the best instructors in other workshops (best from Mystery, best 2 from BadBoy, best from RSD) and made this one workshop with unlimited support. And they currently have a 40% lower asking price than you guys. Again, you need some credentials before you can ask for this price. So you can understand why I’m asking you to publically explain your workshop, your style and to back-up your claims. You don’t even have a money-back guarantee.
Not at all. I have some 5 pages in my journal detailing his style. In short in regards to my question to you… He was with a direct philosophy and attitude, with sometimes using indirect lines. Mostly for UGs which he practices with… You know he’s just a very social guy who will chat anyone up, not just super hot shicks.
Alot of people are reading these comments to find out more about the workshop, so its actually a better strategy to write here.
Guys, direct game was first popularized by Zan. Keep that in mind.
Shark has been trying to steal credit for it ever since.
Lol zan… Neither did Zan, nor shark invent direct game. Direct game is what has been done since before man could speak. It’s about a mentality, not lines or anything…
Direct = 1) See Woman 2) Take Woman (no apologies)
Indirect = 654 models of how to impress women into accepting you
Shark doesn’t claim anything… Infact he got to be famous on the community, before he even so much as visited anything online. He is credited by other people.
Alrk wrote:
Again these guys are made up the best instructors in other workshops (best from Mystery, best 2 from BadBoy, best from RSD)
no..no..Nightlife was not Badboylifestyle Insrtuctor. NIghtlife is businessman, who helped on 3-4 workshops.Cortez and Magnum did more then 50 workshops, and they are our best insrtuctors. Fidentia has Shark, and hes good, but hes in Europe…
Let’s get this straight, man.
Zan’s style is what POPULARIZED direct game.
Shark got the basis of what he is doing from Zan and (believe it or not) from Mine ’99.
The latter has been teaching direct openers since before most of us had kissed our first girlfriends.
mmm dude… Shark is a natural. He was seducing girls even before he knew there was such a thing as a community, guys who teach seductio and guys who learn it. He was discovered by BadBoy.
Wow! How humble of Badboy, Mr. I’ll begin to screen people who come to my workshop, to come to Thundy’s blog and post something. I swear man, he’s gotten pretty cocky just because he has a fourm in which people kiss his ass. His shit works though. So he has the right to be cocky.
I don’t see any seduction skills in Nightlife, as I’ve said before. He should just rest w/collecting money, sending out letters out about their workshops and setting up the websites. He shouldn’t be devoting anytime to teaching guys how to seduce and FUCK chicks. He doesn’t have the skills. I’ve been saying that all along.
Have you guys actually read his articles at http://www.fidentia.org/articles.htm Torrey’s articles have no content. It’s all just bluff that you can find on in any mens’ magazines.
Yeah, it’s kind of an open secret in seduction circles that Nightlife has no game.
ok normally I wouldn’t even bother to reply to all this BS /negativity but since
Badboy is saying one thing let’s get all the facts straight since another anonomous guys are joining him.
First why does Danijel have a testimonial on his home page that involves me that he has doctored?
By _Pimptylez :
“For me this is the best model of Pick Up I’ve ever seen. It’s easy and fun and it works. I can stop reading other theories, I can stop learning routines, I can stop spending money on seduction products and I can start having fun and get what I want in life. I know a lot of people will read this and don’t believe me, but I don’t care. I feel good, I know that I can get what I deserve and I got more life experience and knowledge in 3 days than other people in their whole life.
Thanks to Badboy and Cortez…I never felt like a student at the workshop, I always felt like a friend and that was a big part of getting success for me!!! ”
Notice the Thanks to Badboy and Cortez…
Hmmm but ask Pimpstylez directly or Magnum or the other guys at that Germany Workshop. Cortez wasn’t at that workshop hmmmmm.
In fact that exact same review was on this website.
http://www.thundercatseductionlair.com/badboy/index.html
On what I teach I’ll let students speak for themselves of changes I’ve made. Quite a few of our testimonials are where I taught ALONE without help. This is not that difficult guys to do.
The guys here that are so negative work on being more positive. You’ll enjoy life and have a lot of success.
Handsome Man, you say that you see no seduction skills in Nightlife. Have you seen him in the field, man?
If you think you are able to judge this from a short interview clip you are overestimating yourself.
Alek….
Funny thing i see is, that some guys who are really good in club game don’t know to talk to normal people during the day time. Isn’t that kind of strange?
Try to imagine that Formula driver doesn’t know how to drive normal car……
They are like fish out of water. Our plan isn’t to make people like that, we want to show how they communicate to everyone, and how to understand people in general.How they can wake up with smile on their face knowing that meeting them, makes other people happy in every situation in life. Of course there are fun things that help them in communication, and they are fun to do with girls some role playing stuff. Like you explained Atila in 5 pages, i asked you this because you cant put him in one group when he does everything.
Talking about our style…..
One really cool thing we show guys is how to expand conversation from nothing. People don’t listen to other people so much, they are thinking about stupid things, like what to say, what si routine. They don’t notice that in every sentence somebody gives you there is a clue about they want to talk about. You can expand from only one word to exciting conversation about traveling.
Example, i was on ice cream yesterday with friend in student cafeteria in Cvijetno. While i was siting eating my ice cream i heard music coming from the other side of door, i asked girls next to me what is that?
They answered aerobic, and trough that word i went to why arnt they on class to prepare their body’s for summer? From that i went where are they going this summer and what crazy party’s they had last summer. Is this so hard to do?
You exchange so many exciting and funny stories, and of course connect with ladies…
And about price, looking at workshops that are 1500$, you get our in half price,its 600 Euro.I am bad at math but 600Euro is MUCH less then 1500$, so i don’t get that 40%…
About money-back guarantee, we really didn’t toughed about that, coz this is made to work.
If somebody doesn’t make it after workshop, he can came again on another and we wont charge him, if then still he doesn’t get it, then we return the money. Coz i want everyone to get it, and to learn. If some extreme case like this showes up, we return money of course,but i really never met guy like that.
If someone get sick on workshop or cant attend or for some other reason, of course we will return money.
Before i talked how this workshop is going down, of course we will exchange numbers after it. I don’t mind when anyone calling me for advice or what ever he needs, they can come visit us anytime they want just to hang out or to have fun with ladies in the clubs or whatever, we would find some cheep accommodation or if timing is good they can stay at my place. Point is they are my new friends not my students,and i treat them like that, who knows maybe i will need them too in future to help me with something.
Btw Alek its relay interesting to exchange toughs with you
See ya
BADBOY SAYS
“no..no..Nightlife was not Badboylifestyle Insrtuctor. NIghtlife is businessman, who helped on 3-4 workshops.Cortez and Magnum did more then 50 workshops, and they are our best insrtuctors.”
1.Now this sounds interesting, I coudn’t make it to that german wshop so Robert (Nightlife) went to help Badboy. I remember that wshop good cause that was thew first time they sold my 1st CD on a wshop. The German Lair will verify that Robert was infact an instructor cause he sometimes took guys ALNOE that coudn’t come into the club!
2.Cortez and Magnum did 50 wshops well…Since Magnum was a student on the german wshop a year ago (where Robet was present as a teacher) and that was 13 months ago. And since Cortez had his first wshop in August last year that means they had wshop EWERY WEEKEND ???? ewery weekend Magnum and Cortez teaching…how come there wasn’t wshop scheduled on the site for ewery weekend,weird?
Maybe they can tell us?
Also for all of you who like to dicredit Robert, Nightlife you should know that he has his girlfirned and ex-girlfriend (a playboy bunny!) helping out on wshops.
He wears ordinary cheap clothes and is ordinary looking and he demonstrates what he can do infront of students (unlike some of his critics) , and he just posted proof a few posts above that he was infact Badboys instructor.
Cause the proof was written buy reputable german Lair memeber:Pimstyle (and others can verify…)
If you buy the July/August copy of “Razor Magazine” you will see a story about Fidentia in which female autor says she is definitely charmed by Cameron Theone (TheOne), well thats independent proof!
SHARK
K1labee
You are comparing your price to RSD’s bootcamp in their Holywood mansion! My comparison for price was towards Fidentia who’s at around 400 euro currently, and was about 300 euro when starting off. And it started off with thick credentials.
Reason I am communicating with you like this is because I am considering dropping by and checking you guys out, but not only is the price way out of line. But the risk is simply too big, and you have provided nothing to lower that risk.
RANKO…SHMANKO
SHOW ME THE MONEY COOKIE BOY!!!!!!!!!!!
Alek writes:
“mmm dude… Shark is a natural. He was seducing girls even before he knew there was such a thing as a community”
LOL. LOL. LOL.
Alek, where did you get this idea? Shark a “natural”? He is no more a natural than RJ was himself. Last I heard Shark still lives with his parents. If he sells enough CDs, he can finally get his own place.
I like how this term “natural” is thrown around for marketing purposes.
Shark appeared in the community about 4 years ago. You should have seen him then. No one would have used the term “natural” to describe him.
Compare Shark to Badboy even now and the difference is obvious. Did anyone ask why Fidentia’s prices are much lower? I guess it is because they have more instructors?
So you are saying that one cannot be a natural if one lives with his parents? Ok, if your definition of natural is a guy who lives without his parents, then I guess Ranko is not… but my definition of a natural has to do with pickup and not who’s in your household, hahaha!
Still, doesn’t really matter if you call Ranko a natural or not, if that term bothers you don’t pay attention to it. Pay attention to Ranko’s skills in direct game instead.
Ranko appeared on the Mystery Lounge first, I believe, in late 2002 so a little less than 3 years ago. He started posting on mASF in September 2003, less than 2 years ago. You claim it was 4 years ago, so you have done no research at all on your claims so they are worthless.
And it is true not many people had many nice things to say about Ranko at first (except Badboy who adopted Ranko’s direct game, said it was the best out there, and that Ranko did the best pickup in a club he’s ever seen) because it “telegraphs interest” and “supplicates” and “makes you look like every other guy,” bla bla bla, this was of course until people actually started using some direct game and discovered it works, and now everyone claims they can do it.
If you compare different workshops by prices you have no understanding of quality, I guess your research here is just as bad as it is with regards to Ranko’s background!
If you think higher prices mean better quality workshops I will be happy to give a workshop just for you, I will not talk about my skills, but I will charge you more than anyone else so I must be better than anyone else!
I’m not sure how a comparison of Badboy and Ranko will make anything obvious, by the way? You haven’t even done the basic research on what you are talking about so how can anything be obvious to you? Badboy still says Ranko is good and has always said so, see what I wrote about it above which is taken from Badboy’s own words. Maybe you mean the difference in prices is obvious which I guess it is.
Probably this post is a joke and I wasted my time replying to it, in that case, I guess you had your fun so congratulations!
nightfight wrote:
LOL. LOL. LOL.
Alek, where did you get this idea? Shark a “natural”? He is no more a natural than RJ was himself. Last I heard Shark still
lives with his parents. If he sells enough CDs, he can finally get his own place.
I like how this term “natural” is thrown around for marketing purposes.
Shark appeared in the community about 4 years ago. You should have seen him then. No one would have used the term “natural” to describe him.
Compare Shark to Badboy even now and the difference is obvious. Did anyone ask why Fidentia’s prices are much lower? I guess it is because they have more instructors?
Karl, you are right. Shark is the best!!!
That’s why he lives with his mother. That’s why he charges less for a workshop than Badboy.
Even Badboy says that Shark is better than him.
Thanks for pointing this out to us!!
And by the way, Shark, would you charge more money even to your mother?!
Karl, you are right. Shark is the best!!!
That’s why he lives with his mother. That’s why he charges less for a workshop than Badboy.
Even Badboy says that Shark is better than him.
Thanks for pointing this out to us!!
And by the way, Shark, would you charge more money even to your mother?!
Guys look again at Fidentia’s Workshop prices. Looks like the went up by more than $200.
http://www.fidentia.org/workshop_schedule.htm
http://tinyurl.com/dpvc3
“Guys look again at Fidentia’s Workshop prices. Looks like the went up by more than $200.”
They are still the best.