Major Mark Defects!!!!
April 29, 2004 by Thundercat
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Got some breaking news for all you gossip hounds out there. It seems that David DeAngelo has a special surprize guest attending his DYD LIVE seminar this weekend, and it’s none other than Major Mark Cunningham!!!!
Yes, this is yet another major (no pun intended… well, maybe a little =) coup for the DYD camp as they steal yet ANNOTHER former SS superstar to their side of the fence. Major Mark is now joining the ranks of Rick H, Orion, Dave Riker, Swinggcat, The Chetinator, and a variety of other SSers who have decided to strike out against their former master and join the ranks of his most bitter rival! I swear, I haven’t seen this much loyalty switching, backstabbing, counterplotting, and drama since the last time I watched WWE SMACKDOWN!
Not only will Major Mark be attending, but he will no doubt be one of the guest speakers this Sunday during the last day of the seminar. How’s that for exciting, huh? It’ll be interesting to see how his style of Hypnotic Seduction will fit into the DYD mold, though more likely he’ll talk mostly about Inner Game issues.
This is shaping up to be an interesting weekend…
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HOLLY FUCKIN COW SHIT!!! Now that’s some major news.
A side from the spelling you boys get my drift..I’m such a nut. This is honestly big fuckin news.
LOL, Blundercat has such a hard-on for social proof. I couldn’t care less about a teacher’s social proof, I only care about what he can teach me that works.
That said, MM hasn’t taught at an SS seminar in about 4 years, so Eben is now only 4 years behind the teachings of RJ. WHAT A MAJOR COUP!
Why oh why has MINE’99 systematically ostracized himself from all the best people in the community – many of whom are former associates of himself?
What a self-destructive, paranoid, megalomaniac. His own worst enemy.
Shinji = RJ
How come you guys keep calling Ross Jeffries – “Mine99″?
good question
>Shinji = RJ
I agree, and the funniest part about that is….a few weeks back, there was a post where both MINE’99 and Shinji replied. Not only did they reply, but they agreed with and complimented each other in their replies. Hilarious.
The funniest thing is, everyone except Ross gets it.
I mean that, Ross may think he’s gaining the upper hand by bashing thundercat on his own blog. But the truth remains, Ross, you’re the one lurking on HIS blog and seeking to undermine HIS success. If you really didn’t care, why would you even be here?
You should go reread TD’s 25 points.
1. I am not Shinji, do not post under that name and do not even know who he is.
2. Thundy’s info about Dave Riker is wrong, even deliberately incorrect. In fact, Riker is teaching with me at next weekend’s SS Seminar in NYC. I’ve informed him of Thundy’s lie and we’ll see what action he chooses to take.
3. Mark has not taught with me in over 3 years and I have never experienced a greater growth as a teacher, a man or as a seducer as I have in that time and Speed Seduction has grown expontentially BETTER in his absence from it. Draw your own conclusions.
4. It’s interesting that Thundy makes it clear who the SOURCE for all of these people has been: ME. If I were the consumer, I’d want to put my money to the guy who originates and inspires, not the guy who has to steal talent because he himself has little or none, and knows his “system” if taught on its own, without padding or guest speakers would take about 3 hours to whip through. Not that I’m mentioning names.
While we’re on what works, here’s the latest report from Vince K, my superstar student who is showing up at the Standard virtually every night with a new girl making TD and the rest scratch their apes asses in awe trying to figure it out. Hint: it’s Speed Seduction.
Read on:
“I wanted to spend a special moment with the girls I am currently fuckin before going to NY (I had a line up of seven for a few weeks but I am now focusing on four, beyond that, it becomes too much to manage (at least it has been my experience). I spend Monday at the beach with HB A. Ended up making love to her there after the Sunset and spended the night at her place.
I then enjoyed watchin the master himself in action, when i visited Ross for breakfast since the girl lived right around the corner and saw him doing the most astonishing cocky/funny put on with this little surfer HB he knew. It was astonishing!
Made it back to Hollywood, hanged out at the Standard pool for a bit, got 1 new # then met with the second HB R (my adorable little slut, she will do ANYTHING!!!), after sex in the Jacuzzi on my roof, we went to see Kill Bill 2 (I stepped out of the theatre and started to sarge this interesting black HB at the concession stand and got her #. Back to my place for a quicky with HB R then on the way to meet HB K who takes me to a premiere. I step out of the theatre (in Westwood) do some street sargin, get a #. We hang out at a few parties, I bring her back, we play in the car. I then head (too late, the shooting is over) to a friend of mine my buddy Nick who is filming some amateur porn and invited me (lots of amateur porn being made these days in LA according to my buddy, with what’s happening with the porn industry.) Although I was much tempted and he ofered me to, I prefered not to be on camera, and I was late anyway from playing with HB K in the car. As I got there, the two black HBs that were still half nacked are smoking a cigarette, my buddy gives my a gold introduction, keeping it very misterious saying that if they are good to me I may share some of my fun mind techniques with them. They are totally into it right away. I keep super funny, one hillarious comment after the other (kind of what like Ross suggests for strippers). Within five minutes my cock is in the prettiest one’s mouth. I get the other one aroused as she is watching and she naturally joins in. My buddy Nick keeps on reapeding in disbelief, fuck he is good, he is good!!! He then joins in and the small crew tells me later that it is very rare that girls will play on the spot like that after fullfilling their part. They also are very impressed because using one small request at a time I get them to start to play with each other, which up until then they had not really gotten into. All the guys then ask about SS.
I get home at two am and HB Paradize (a bondage freak) is waiting at home. Today I hanged out once again with HB R and she is in her let’s get a girl mode so we headed towards the beach to sarge and she picked up a waitress at Duckes. We waited for her after her work, They kissed briefly, we hanged out a bit but they didn’t feel it. She then did very good with a french HB and got a small kiss from her in front of her BF. I just came home to change and I am picking her up within 20 minutes and she is commited to get me laid tonight, she has her periode and she said, I know you, you are going to get laid in NY so it would hurt me less if I see it with my own eyes. COOL!
Vince”
So while Thundy is busy floggin’ his blog(and his meat too) Vince is out sarging the town and having a wild time. Thundy, give us a call when you get around to kissing or heavy petting a girl that you don’t pay for.
Toodles all and good night from the ORIGINATOR.
RJ
93/93
It seems to me (I recently discovered this scene) that the hon. Ross Jeffries is losing his mind. Each new post gets more angry, and more frustrated. Are there any respected PUAs still in his camp?
From a ‘consumer’s perspective, why would I want to get product from a someone who refers to himself in third person as “THE ORIGINATOR”? That poorly written ‘report’ is bullshit. I’m not sure if he included it as a joke, but either way it shows his desperation.
Maybe not average, but definately Angry, Frustrated, and a Chump.
Funny thing is that even though RJ is bashing TC’s Blog in each and every post, he would give head to Darren James just to be featured on the blog (which undoubtetly gety ten times the exposure his own page gets.)
I believe that to be the case as well.
Earlier he was quick at dismissing anything that wasn’t SS.
Yet new blood was way better in their stuff posted than he is.
So he was faced with dogma being lost, and critical thinking being applied to texts around.
So that was failing, and then he became cranky, then when that failed he’s now even more annoying, resorting to real ridiculous stuff – his only cards nowadays being that he is “the originator”.
Nobody cares.
Furthermore, now none of the people who left his cranky ass have talent?
Why would he claim he taught them then?
He originates their talentless ways?
I am not taking sides here but one thing people neglect to talk about is that David D was actually a student of RJ himself. If anyone has their collection of 99 LA videos handy you will see Dave on tape 3 sitting right next to Rick H actually talking to Ross during the seminar. He has on bleached jeans and that distinguishable smirk you see on the DYD videos. It is definitely him.
Rumor has it that RJ is just getting just desserts from DYD:
Years ago, before DYD became the skilled seducer he is now, RJ met and seduced DYD’s girlfriend right in front of DYD’s face.
If DYD has a grudge against RJ, this might be one of the reasons. Does anyone know more?
Rumor has it that RJ is just getting just desserts from DYD:
Years ago, before DYD became the skilled seducer he is now, RJ met and seduced DYD’s girlfriend right in front of DYD’s face.
If DYD has a grudge against RJ, this might be one of the reasons. Does anyone know more?
“I am not taking sides here but one thing people neglect to talk about is that David D was actually a student of RJ himself. If anyone has their collection of 99 LA videos handy you will see Dave on tape 3 sitting right next to Rick H actually talking to Ross during the seminar. He has on bleached jeans and that distinguishable smirk you see on the DYD videos. It is definitely him.
Posted by: Blob at April 30, 2004 12:43 PM”
Not only that, but DeAnushole can be heard on my Masters and Methods CD series(gee, I wonder where he got his interview series idea from?) interviewing me on the Bonus CD, and he is GUSHING about how excited he is with the new model of Speed Seduction.
Now..is DeAnushole going to go back on what he said and claim he was just lying on that CD? Or will he admit SS works and that he is a pale imitator who has to pad out his cocky-funny crap with guest speakers in order to justify the prices he charges?
Just asking…
RJ
93/93
Hey gang,
Well, lookie what I found! Here’s the testimonial letter Cunningham wrote me way back in 1997 when he was first using Speed Seduction(R). Maybe someone attending the DYD seminar might want to ask him about this. Wonder if DYD has gotten him (or anyone) else, results like these:
“Ross:
I just wanted to let you know how happy I am with your Secrets Of Speed Seduction seminar tapes. Your innovative approach gives me a power and impact that the “experts” say is impossible! Hot damn! I am not in the best of shape physically or mentally, a pretty typical 41 year old guy, so I thought I’d have to go through a period of conditioning. Man, was I wrong! Here are some examples:
Dr. Amanda — I went for my eye exam and met this young woman with a great voice. So I started talking about tonality and how you can feel an incredible connection with someone you just met. Later, riding me until she collapsed, she kept saying “I can’t believe I’m doing this!”. Kind of surprised me too, so I went out to try again and this time I found…
Carol — a real space case; she believes in crystals, astrology, etc. But she’s also 26, blonde and an aerobics instructor, so what the hey? I got her out for coffee and hit her with the blammo pattern. What a cosmic connection! Now she can’t keep me out of her mouth and loves to gobble my male energy!
Tammy — a 23 year old newlywed with buyers remorse. Same thing-instantaneous connection, time distortion, bringing out feelings of incredible pleasure and satisfaction. I discovered she was multi-orgasmic and loves to suck!
Laura — a big, busty, leggy gal; sort of a Midwest Elle McPherson, she told me I wasn’t her “type” and she had a boyfriend. No problem, I said and just kept talking-got her laughing, built that incredible connection, anchored peak experiences, zoomed her around in space and time and this time I left her in that peak state while I ushered her back to my place.
Not to brag, Ross, but this shit is going on all the time now! It doesn’t matter how old she is, if she has a boyfriend or husband or if I’m her “type”….NOTHING MATTERS! You’re a fucking genius!
Mark Cunningham
Maumee, Ohio”
Thanks, Major. Mighty white of you. Now, let’s hear what DYD has done for him…..do I hear deafening SILENCE?
RJ
93/93
RJ and DDeA are like Jobs and Gates in the Movie Pirates of Silicon Valley. There’s a great scene in the movie where Jobs (the ORIGINATOR) storms into Gates office, mad that MS has reverse engineered the Mac software to make Windows. Jobs then storms out, saying “Well we’ve got better stuff!” Gates reaction is a cool “Yes. But it doesn’t matter”. Exactly. The market(er) rules.
SS isn’t really a system anyway. It’s just a bunch of NLP principles and hypno stuff. There is no overall format to it- show me the STRUCTURE of the seduction from start to finish.
In SS there is none. Show me the overall structure of a seduction in SS from the meet to the lay – and the bridges on how to get from meet to lay – how to know where you’re at in the seduction process and how you can accelerate each point in the seduction – how to ISOLATE.
SS comes up SHORT in the real world and leaves alot of guys sounding like “Bad actors” and seeming bizzare while they spout out “weasel phrases and patterns” in totally irrelevant contexts that leave chicks weirded out.
How could that be called a “system”?
That’s just bad acting! Where is the structure of a seduction from meet to lay? Where are the field tested techniques that get you from point to point?
Sorry, there IS NO structure of this sort in SS. Just a bunch of nlp type tricks and other stuff that RJ took from other guys and now claims that he came up with.
RJ just takes the best of what a few successful guys are doing – like Mark Cunningham, Swinggcat, Rick H, Orien, David D., Badboy, Style, (etc.) and then just calls that collection of stuff “SS”, while taking all the credit for it.
I guess you do have to give RJ credit for a couple of things though. Like being a good cult leader and being entertaining, even if it’s everyone thats laughing AT him.
And as far as “Inner Game” – RJ, you have NOTHING on Mark Cunningham, he’s better than you’ll EVER be. Mystery is better in the field than you’ll EVER be. Tyler Durden is smarter and has better material than you’ll EVER have, Swinggcat has better and more effective techniques than you’ll EVER have – and David D. is a better marketer then you’ll EVER be.
RJ is renowned for taking all the credit which is why he earned himself the nickname “MINE’99″.
So now that David D. has alot of the heavy hitters in his court – RJ must REALLY be feeling the pressure – because there is no one of note left in his court. (Except for so called “Vince” who is a clinical hypnotherapist and has NO relevance to the so called “average” guy anyway.)
So as for a SYSTEM – in SS there is NONE – unlike Mystery Method and RSD where there is an overall format – not just a bunch of nlp tricks like “embedded commands”, weasle phrases etc. How could you even call that a “system”? Now that’s weak! And as far as leading the imagination and being genuinely curious about a woman – well, the REAL systems (Mystery Method, DYD, RSD, Swinggcat) are LIGHT YEARS ahead now.
Any guy could get TONS more for his money by taking a DYD seminar where all the BEST now are – because they recognize quality. Or at a RSD seminar/workshop where they get REAL field practice and one on one attention from REAL LIVE pick up artists.
And then there’s Mystery Method – where you get the best of Theory as well as field experience. There is NO substitute for that.
So SS is now left in the dust – his competition has FAR surpassed him, the guys who may have started out with SS have broken away because they got SMART – remember RJ, to use words from your own posts, something like “The FIRST isn’t always the BEST” – ironic
The Real Truth
I dislike Ross’ attitude, but he was the guy who opened my eyes to the whole PU scene so I give him props for that and some friendly advice:
Dude, change your strategy. I don’t know what you think you’re accomplishing by writing the type of posts you do nowadays, but it just makes you look bad (not to mention arrogant). For real. Surely you must have better people-skills than this??
You constantly keep referring to people saying this and that about SS years ago (for example, Mark’s e-mail up there from ’97). Who cares what he said THEN? He probably has learned more now and doesn’t agree with what he said in that e-mail anymore. You are old-fashioned and need to update yourself (and your system). You need to quit living in the past.
We don’t care what this and that guy said almost ten years ago. No one cares if you “invented” this or that. That issue may be of interest to you business-wise to straighten out with other PU teachers, but we, the potential customers simply DON’T CARE. Just because you invented a specific technique or whatever doesn’t mean you can teach it or utilize it better than others.
Also, it is OK to be wrong sometimes. Really. You’re human too, aren’t you?
//theguyRosswastoocooltohangwithacouplemonthsago
“You constantly keep referring to people saying this and that about SS years ago (for example, Mark’s e-mail up there from ’97). Who cares what he said THEN? He probably has learned more now and doesn’t agree with what he said in that e-mail anymore.”
What does THAT mean..he doesn’t agree with what he said? You mean he doesn’t agree he banged those women? He doesn’t agree he used the techniques he said he used and that he fucked them?
What you are saying makes zero sense…..
But it WOULD be interesting to see if Major Mark talks about any results he’s personally seen, using DYD.
In fact, it would be interesting to learn if ANYONE actually gets up at the seminar and talks about the results THEY get using DYD, as opposed to being paid speakers who talk about THEIR methods and systems.
Isn’t it interesting; at my seminars, guys get up and talk about THEIR results using my stuff.
At DYD, it’s only guest speakers, paid to be there, who talk about THEIR OWN SYSTEMS.
It seems to me there is a notable lack of actual users talking about results.
Hmmm..what could THAT mean?
” You are old-fashioned and need to update yourself (and your system). You need to quit living in the past.”
Here is the hilarious thing: I get constant criticism in the OTHER direction that Speed Seduction keeps changing and updating so fast that the buyers of the older material sometimes feel left behind!
“We don’t care what this and that guy said almost ten years ago. No one cares if you “invented” this or that. That issue may be of interest to you business-wise to straighten out with other PU teachers, but we, the potential customers simply DON’T CARE. Just because you invented a specific technique or whatever doesn’t mean you can teach it or utilize it better than others”
That’s actually true. So the issue is: who out there has testimonials from real users of the system getting real results? I dont’ just mean the teachers themselves, but students?
“//theguyRosswastoocooltohangwithacouplemonthsago”
Oooh…goodness. Looks like I hurt someone’s feelings by not hanging out with them. Dude, it isn’t about “cool”. It’s about busy.
RJ
http://www.seduction.com
I get laid using DYD/RSD…
Any questions?
Boy this shit just started with some innocent excitement from my end. What can I say…Mark and Ross was a killer duo together. They both have gone in different directions, but who knows what would have been accomplished if the collaboration continued on both sides. Personally I think both guys have very unique ways at fixing INNER GAME challenges.
I use a bit of all main popular systems,methods,technologies, etc AND their is some challenges within myself that a few guys in this community have not been able to pin point regarding me. I was going through a very rough on edge time in January and try to reach out and get help from some guys out there and all I got was CORN FLAKE fucked up behaviour from their part.
I reached out to RJ being one of his students through home study. He had just finished the LA 2004 seminar, and I know RJ is drained after his
work. I respect the man for this a lot. He kept correspondence and follow up going with myself through email for a 24-48 period. He did not have to do it. I’m not one of his main students at all although I use his tools.
He was very consistent and he addresed my challenges and what is happening clearly to me. I still need to take responsibility with the tools he gave me but my point.
RJ was the only guy out there who reached out to me in a very rough rough period in my life. I’m talkin on fuckin edge man..some serious shit.
All I can say is that EVERYONE should take some responsibility in regards to how things are reported, what is being said, etc. This community has a lot of cool kats but egos, past BS, get in the fuckin way. Some of these guys all live close to each other and I have stated this on the ol blog before with the guys involved. WORK IT OUT..WE ONLY LIVE ONCE.
RJ has done is part to make resolve things at least from what I understand in print on the internet. Again I’m not in Cali so I don’t understand the further dynamics or drama that goes on the scene.
Anyhow is just wanted to chime in and say that although we got legitimate critics and haters, I do understand that for sure…RJ has helped me out also. I am neutral on this. EVERYONE should take responsibility but hey things aint perfect.
Another ramble.
Peace,
Dangerous
“Boy this shit just started with some innocent excitement from my end. What can I say…Mark and Ross was a killer duo together. They both have gone in different directions, but who knows what would have been accomplished if the collaboration continued on both sides. Personally I think both guys have very unique ways at fixing INNER GAME challenges.”
Here is the difference; I have moved beyond doing change work that only involves change from “the neck up”. I believe that kind of change DOES work, but it is slow, and if someone is deeply stuck, it is deeply difficult.
I have learned to integrate body movement, breath, symbology and sound; lessons I’ve learned from Yoga and meditation and insights shared with me by a neuro-scientist/MD who is a student of mine about brain structure and what happens to people who have undergone long term emotional stress, chronic failure, etc.
Change for these people required re-conditioning the brain over time with a meditative practice. Otherwise you get the 1 step forward, 3 steps back, stuck in bad feelings for months syndrome.
I honestly believe, in the last year, I’ve made huge leaps in fixing these challenges and am working on a video series that I will even license other “gurus” to sell-that’s how important I think it is for EVERYONE, including “non-Ross” followers to get this.
Let me be clear: hypnosis CAN work for some people with SOME issues. It just takes a long time with people who have been deeply stuck.
“I use a bit of all main popular systems,methods,technologies, etc AND their is some challenges within myself that a few guys in this community have not been able to pin point regarding me. I was going through a very rough on edge time in January and try to reach out and get help from some guys out there and all I got was CORN FLAKE fucked up behaviour from their part.”
I think you should name who these flakey assholes are. People accuse me of shit-canning people from my organization for “ego reason” whereas the fact is, I only ever shit-canned people for not showing up, ripping off students, etc. etc.
And BTW, for the record, Cunningham left. I did NOT fire him. In fact, I did everything I could to make sure Mark was addressed and treated by all as my equal in the organization. I offered to assist him with his marketing challenges with his own business, including offering to write his ads for free.
Apparently, he didn’t like being “second banana” as he put it and wanted to strike out(hmmm..interesting pun) on his own.
The only beef I have with the guy is he flat out lied about leaving. He told me was not going to leave and denied having conversations with some other people where he informed THEM he was leaving. Then he did, in fact, leave.
So…when someone lies to me, I don’t take kindly too it. Still and all, Mark is a man with some real talent. He just didn’t deal with me, at the end, with the integrity I had earned and expected. Perhaps DYD will fare better, but you know the old story about the frog and the scorpion…..
“I reached out to RJ being one of his students through home study. He had just finished the LA 2004 seminar, and I know RJ is drained after hiswork. I respect the man for this a lot. He kept correspondence and follow up going with myself through email for a 24-48 period. He did not have to do it. I’m not one of his main students at all although I use his tools.”
Thanks. People will accuse you of being me. So take a brave step and post again, giving your real name and real email so people can confirm this.
“He was very consistent and he addresed my challenges and what is happening clearly to me. I still need to take responsibility with the tools he gave me but my point.
RJ was the only guy out there who reached out to me in a very rough rough period in my life. I’m talkin on fuckin edge man..some serious shit.”
Thanks. I will always do my best to help anyone who approaches respectfully, rather than full of wrath and childish venom, ala Thundercat.(Even though I offered on this very blog to help Thundercat with personal one on one work, he has to this day refused, afraid I am trying to “Beta” him)
“All I can say is that EVERYONE should take some responsibility in regards to how things are reported, what is being said, etc. This community has a lot of cool kats but egos, past BS, get in the fuckin way. Some of these guys all live close to each other and I have stated this on the ol blog before with the guys involved. WORK IT OUT..WE ONLY LIVE ONCE.”
I can’t work it out with people who deliberately lie about how I do business, deliberately lie about originating material that in fact, was taught to them by me, deliberately lie about other aspects of my work.
Opinions, fine. Deliberate lies, as Thundy as told, no.
“RJ has done is part to make resolve things at least from what I understand in print on the internet. Again I’m not in Cali so I don’t understand the further dynamics or drama that goes on the scene.”
Thanks. I do my best. Some folks need someone to hate as a way to redirect their own fear and frustration(read: Thundercat). Some folks have no originality and have to hire others to speak to pad out their own events. And some folks are just out to make a buck and don’t give a fuck about their students; Swingcat is one I will specifically name.
“Anyhow is just wanted to chime in and say that although we got legitimate critics and haters, I do understand that for sure…RJ has helped me out also. I am neutral on this. EVERYONE should take responsibility but hey things aint perfect.
Another ramble.”
Be prepared. Folks will say you are me or a shill.
Peace,
Dangerous
Posted by: Dangerous at May 1, 2004 10:19 AM
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Ross,
You have no class.
Your new nickname WHINE’99
I’ve met RJ before, and on a personal basis I don’t like him. However to give credit where credit is due, he is undboutadly the best teacher with the most advanced technologies in this field and we ought to be thankful that he participates in free and open debate on public forums such as this one and has the guts to point out the rampant misinformation that is always going on. Who else is willing to stand up and challenge all of the screwed up teaching and point out things that are wrong? If RJ wasn’t around, this entire community would be for shit. Let’s give the man some respect.
Ross,
You’re right about the e-mail I was referring to. My bad, I probably read it way too fast. The thing is though, that you constantly keep referring to “evidence” or “testimonials” from the 90s.. That’s like saying “SS WAS good..THEN.”
Oh, and the name thing was a joke, Sunshine. I know you’re busy but that doesn’t mean your time is more important than anyone else’s, which is how you made me feel like that time but it’s okay, I knew you were like that. Hopefully I won’t be getting any emotional scars from it.
“Ross,
You’re right about the e-mail I was referring to. My bad, I probably read it way too fast. The thing is though, that you constantly keep referring to “evidence” or “testimonials” from the 90s.. That’s like saying “SS WAS good..THEN.”"
Hold on; I brought up that one because Thundy is making a big deal about Major Mark “defecting”. I simply pointed out that Major Mark had not only spent years proclaiming very loudly at my seminars that Speed Seduction(R) does work, but that he also proclaimed about his personal success in that testimonial he wrote me years ago.
Since David D. says SS doesn’t work, I’m just curious how Major Mark is going to handle it when the question comes up: will he be truthful about it, or lie at the behest of the guy who is paying him to be there, DeAngelo?
But as far as current testimonials, I’ve got plenty. Here’s one from just the other day. It’s from vince@mindempowerment.com, so you can email him to check it out and see if it is for real. Where are the DYD guys with their specific lay reports, etc? I surely don’t see them:
“I wanted to spend a special moment with the girls I am currently fuckin before going to NY (I had a line up of seven for a few weeks but I am now focusing on four, beyond that, it becomes too much to manage (at least it has been my experience). I spend Monday at the beach with HB A. Ended up making love to her there after the Sunset and spended the night at her place.
I then enjoyed watchin the master himself in action, when i visited Ross for breakfast since the girl lived right around the corner and saw him doing the most astonishing cocky/funny put on with this little surfer HB he knew. It was astonishing!
Made it back to Hollywood, hanged out at the Standard pool for a bit, got 1 new # then met with the second HB R (my adorable little slut, she will do ANYTHING!!!), after sex in the Jacuzzi on my roof, we went to see Kill Bill 2 (I stepped out of the theatre and started to sarge this interesting black HB at the concession stand and got her #. Back to my place for a quicky with HB R then on the way to meet HB K who takes me to a premiere. I step out of the theatre (in Westwood) do some street sargin, get a #. We hang out at a few parties, I bring her back, we play in the car. I then head (too late, the shooting is over) to a friend of mine my buddy Nick who is filming some amateur porn and invited me (lots of amateur porn being made these days in LA according to my buddy, with what’s happening with the porn industry.) Although I was much tempted and he ofered me to, I prefered not to be on camera, and I was late anyway from playing with HB K in the car. As I got there, the two black HBs that were still half nacked are smoking a cigarette, my buddy gives my a gold introduction, keeping it very misterious saying that if they are good to me I may share some of my fun mind techniques with them. They are totally into it right away. I keep super funny, one hillarious comment after the other (kind of what like Ross suggests for strippers). Within five minutes my cock is in the prettiest one’s mouth. I get the other one aroused as she is watching and she naturally joins in. My buddy Nick keeps on reapeding in disbelief, fuck he is good, he is good!!! He then joins in and the small crew tells me later that it is very rare that girls will play on the spot like that after fullfilling their part. They also are very impressed because using one small request at a time I get them to start to play with each other, which up until then they had not really gotten into. All the guys then ask about SS.
I get home at two am and HB Paradize (a bondage freak) is waiting at home. Today I hanged out once again with HB R and she is in her let’s get a girl mode so we headed towards the beach to sarge and she picked up a waitress at Duckes. We waited for her after her work, They kissed briefly, we hanged out a bit but they didn’t feel it. She then did very good with a french HB and got a small kiss from her in front of her BF. I just came home to change and I am picking her up within 20 minutes and she is commited to get me laid tonight, she has her periode and she said, I know you, you are going to get laid in NY so it would hurt me less if I see it with my own eyes. COOL!
Vince”
Ok? How’s that? I’ve got tons more. With real, full names and or email addresses where you can write these guys to verify. Come to one of my seminars and you won’ find it padded out with a dozen hired guest speakers. You’ll just find me, Dave Riker, Yates and RETURNING STUDENTS getting up and giving their specific testimonials telling exactly how they used the material to get laid.
Look, David D is not a dummy, when it comes to marketing. He knows how important real testimonials are. So where are HIS returning students, getting up at events and sharing exactly what techniques they used to get specific results? Why does he have to pad it out with PAID guest speakers WHO AREN’T EVEN TEACHING ****HIS**** SYSTEM, TECHNIQUES OR METHODS?
Do I really have to hold your hand while you guy figure out what 2 +2 adds up to?
As it is, 3 days is barely enough for me to teach what I need to for my system and MY system alone. Riker guest teaches MY system through his own unique perspective, but it is STILL SS. The only guests other than this are SUCCESSFUL STUDENTS.
Wouldn’t you rather learn what works from average, even ugly guys who have done it in the field, using the very stuff you are learning in the seminar?
Jeez…
“Oh, and the name thing was a joke, Sunshine. I know you’re busy but that doesn’t mean your time is more important than anyone else’s, which is how you made me feel like that time but it’s okay, I knew you were like that. Hopefully I won’t be getting any emotional scars from it.”
I don’t even know who you are, what was going on when you made the request or where I was rushing to. Do you think David D would make time to take you out and show you HIS methods? Swingcat? Tyler? I don’t think so…..
Posted by: me again at May 1, 2004 02:24 PM
“I’ve met RJ before, and on a personal basis I don’t like him. However to give credit where credit is due, he is undboutadly the best teacher with the most advanced technologies in this field and we ought to be thankful that he participates in free and open debate on public forums such as this one and has the guts to point out the rampant misinformation that is always going on. Who else is willing to stand up and challenge all of the screwed up teaching and point out things that are wrong? If RJ wasn’t around, this entire community would be for shit. Let’s give the man some respect.”
Thanks. I have to call ‘em like I see ‘em and if some folks don’t like it or see it as being disengenous, so be it. I can tell bullshitters when I see them and liars when I spot them.
It is even a greater compliment that you dislike me personally but are honest enough to admit you like my work.
Sometimes I just can’t believe how naive and stupid folks can be in this community. In the case of DYD, the whole thing SCREAMS out, huckster. If his system is so awesomely great, why does the majority of the event have to be about guest speakers touting their own stuff, their own ideas and their own systems? WHERE ARE THE RETURNING STUDENTS WITH THEIR PERSONAL STORIES OF HOW THEY SPECIFICALLY MADE DYD WORK FOR THEM?
He can pay big bucks for guest speakers to fly in from around the country but NO returning students are there to talk about how they used HIS methods to have success? And he’s been around what now? 3 years?
Doesn’t this tell you SOMETHING? Are you guys waking up…yet?
RJ
http://www.seduction.com
Hey,
He should maybe have some of his success students show up. Have you checked out his newsletter? He always has students of his write in letters, that he posts there.
C.K.
WHY is there this big “either-or” mentality in seduction? There’s something to be learned from ANY system, something to integrate into your own bag of tricks. The idea that there are opposing “camps” in the seduction community is based more on egos, financial interests, and politics than on reality. The issue of anyone “defecting” is just silly, and it wouldn’t be such a big deal if guys like Thundercat didn’t make it one.
I personally don’t like the way that Ross comes off in his seminars, nor do I like his teaching style. He’s all over the map sometimes with very little hierarchical presentation, and it’s hard to follow. And to be honest, the way he’s been coming across on this blog, stooping to name-calling (DeAnushole???) isn’t going to win him any more fans. Ross, if you’ve mastered the art of yoga and being centered (and plan to sell a course on it), what kind of example are you making when you react this way to simple comments from anonymous guys on the net?
That being said, I think Ross has a lot to offer the seduction community. I’ve learned a great deal from the SS materials I have (BHSC, DC2000, Unstoppable Confidence, newsletters). If it wasn’t for Speed Seduction I believe this entire community would still be stuck with crap like Eric Weber’s “How to Pick Up Girls”, or John Eagan’s ode to supplication “How to Meet Beautiful Women”. Speed Seduction got the ball rolling on anti-supplication, and the idea that there were definitive methods out there to meet and seduce women successfully. It also got a community of people together on the Internet in order to discuss the topic so guys could come up with their own methods.
Now, bringing a good concept to the scene doesn’t mean it’s infallible. Keep in mind I don’t have anything more recent than DC2000 to go on (and Ross’s posts on Cliff’s List up to now) but here are some flaws with Speed Seduction as I see it: As has been pointed out on this thread earlier, SS doesn’t teach you much about taking things to the next level. The whole idea implicit in the SS materials is that you use sexual patterns to get the woman all worked up to the point where she just HAS to jump YOU. This is wishful thinking, no matter how skilled you are in NLP. Ross’s openers leave a hell of a lot to be desired too (“Can I borrow your car phone to call heaven and tell them I found the missing angels?”). And in my personal experience I’ve found most of the patterns to be way too “wordy”, and have had to trim the fat from them to make them more congruent with conversational flow (plus the shortened attention spans of the MTV crowd). And some of the concepts in the SS world that are heralded as pure GENIUS really don’t have much effect in the real world (the phonetic ambiguity in working in “below me” in a sentence to a woman won’t get her to actually think about BLOWING YOU, sorry). And it’s not universal; SS has less relevance in a loud club or bar, where something like Real Social Dynamics or Mystery Method would have more effect. SS isn’t applicable to all women and/or situations. For example, sometimes patterns have sped me to the hook point with a woman so fast that it surprised ME, and sometimes they bombed horribly.
With regards to DYD, the average Joe does NOT want to spend 3 days in a seminar learning what a submodality is, or how to use a weasel phrase, or spend weeks memorizing and practicing patterns so that it comes out right when he recites them. Or spend even more time and money on “Skills Builder” tapes when he finds he actually has some challenges with the material. With this in mind, the Double Your Dating e-book is a system for becoming ATTRACTIVE, not for “capturing and leading a woman’s imagination.” David D’s done a GREAT job of taking this issue and digesting it into a quickie system for the average Joe to be able to read and understand. The DYD Sexual Communication series goes a step beyond the “quickie system” and has some good info in it too, again that’s accessible to the average guy who doesn’t want to invest the time to learn amateur hypnosis and NLP. The Advanced Series is basically an analysis of the mechanisms of attraction, and in my opinion isn’t that great. Contrary to RJ’s exaggerations, only 2 discs of the 11 in the series contain guest speakers. Even then it’s only to illustrate and elaborate on the general principles that are contained in the DYD system and the seminar. As for the interview series, David DeAngelo is interviewing people whose systems are congruent with DYD principles–there’s no conflict there, or banking on other people’s ideas, as Ross seems to be suggesting. In fact, the ideas outlined in DYD can be used as a base for ANY “system”, including SS. Who says you can’t start off an interaction with cocky & funny comments, then use SS later on when the conversation has shifted more into rapport-building? Also, because Ross happened to do an interview series several years ago, he’s implying that David D is imitating him. I suppose this means that Ross ripped off Tony Robbins then, who happened to be doing interviews with authorities related to his field way before Ross even heard of NLP (i.e. Powertalk).
On the subject of originating or imitating, SS never really originated anything. It took already established technologies and applied them to a specific problem. Ross didn’t originate NLP any more than David D originated the idea of being a confident man in your interactions with women!
WHY is there this big “either-or” mentality in seduction? There’s something to be learned from ANY system, something to integrate into your own bag of tricks. The idea that there are opposing “camps” in the seduction community is based more on egos, financial interests, and politics than on reality. The issue of anyone “defecting” is just silly, and it wouldn’t be such a big deal if guys like Thundercat didn’t make it one.
I personally don’t like the way that Ross comes off in his seminars, nor do I like his teaching style. He’s all over the map sometimes with very little hierarchical presentation, and it’s hard to follow. And to be honest, the way he’s been coming across on this blog, stooping to name-calling (DeAnushole???) isn’t going to win him any more fans. Ross, if you’ve mastered the art of yoga and being centered (and plan to sell a course on it), what kind of example are you making when you react this way to simple comments from anonymous guys on the net?
That being said, I think Ross has a lot to offer the seduction community. I’ve learned a great deal from the SS materials I have (BHSC, DC2000, Unstoppable Confidence, newsletters). If it wasn’t for Speed Seduction I believe this entire community would still be stuck with crap like Eric Weber’s “How to Pick Up Girls”, or John Eagan’s ode to supplication “How to Meet Beautiful Women”. Speed Seduction got the ball rolling on anti-supplication, and the idea that there were definitive methods out there to meet and seduce women successfully. It also got a community of people together on the Internet in order to discuss the topic so guys could come up with their own methods.
Now, bringing a good concept to the scene doesn’t mean it’s infallible. Keep in mind I don’t have anything more recent than DC2000 to go on (and Ross’s posts on Cliff’s List up to now) but here are some flaws with Speed Seduction as I see it: As has been pointed out on this thread earlier, SS doesn’t teach you much about taking things to the next level. The whole idea implicit in the SS materials is that you use sexual patterns to get the woman all worked up to the point where she just HAS to jump YOU. This is wishful thinking, no matter how skilled you are in NLP. Ross’s openers leave a hell of a lot to be desired too (“Can I borrow your car phone to call heaven and tell them I found the missing angels?”). And in my personal experience I’ve found most of the patterns to be way too “wordy”, and have had to trim the fat from them to make them more congruent with conversational flow (plus the shortened attention spans of the MTV crowd). And some of the concepts in the SS world that are heralded as pure GENIUS really don’t have much effect in the real world (the phonetic ambiguity in working in “below me” in a sentence to a woman won’t get her to actually think about BLOWING YOU, sorry). And it’s not universal; SS has less relevance in a loud club or bar, where something like Real Social Dynamics or Mystery Method would have more effect. SS isn’t applicable to all women and/or situations. For example, sometimes patterns have sped me to the hook point with a woman so fast that it surprised ME, and sometimes they bombed horribly.
With regards to DYD, the average Joe does NOT want to spend 3 days in a seminar learning what a submodality is, or how to use a weasel phrase, or spend weeks memorizing and practicing patterns so that it comes out right when he recites them. Or spend even more time and money on “Skills Builder” tapes when he finds he actually has some challenges with the material. With this in mind, the Double Your Dating e-book is a system for becoming ATTRACTIVE, not for “capturing and leading a woman’s imagination.” David D’s done a GREAT job of taking this issue and digesting it into a quickie system for the average Joe to be able to read and understand. The DYD Sexual Communication series goes a step beyond the “quickie system” and has some good info in it too, again that’s accessible to the average guy who doesn’t want to invest the time to learn amateur hypnosis and NLP. The Advanced Series is basically an analysis of the mechanisms of attraction, and in my opinion isn’t that great. Contrary to RJ’s exaggerations, only 2 discs of the 11 in the series contain guest speakers. Even then it’s only to illustrate and elaborate on the general principles that are contained in the DYD system and the seminar. As for the interview series, David DeAngelo is interviewing people whose systems are congruent with DYD principles–there’s no conflict there, or banking on other people’s ideas, as Ross seems to be suggesting. In fact, the ideas outlined in DYD can be used as a base for ANY “system”, including SS. Who says you can’t start off an interaction with cocky & funny comments, then use SS later on when the conversation has shifted more into rapport-building? Also, because Ross happened to do an interview series several years ago, he’s implying that David D is imitating him. I suppose this means that Ross ripped off Tony Robbins then, who happened to be doing interviews with authorities related to his field way before Ross even heard of NLP (i.e. Powertalk).
On the subject of originating or imitating, SS never really originated anything. It took already established technologies and applied them to a specific problem. Ross didn’t originate NLP any more than David D originated the idea of being a confident man in your interactions with women!
Posted by RJ:
“WHERE ARE THE RETURNING STUDENTS WITH THEIR PERSONAL STORIES OF HOW THEY SPECIFICALLY MADE DYD WORK FOR THEM?
He can pay big bucks for guest speakers to fly in from around the country but NO returning students are there to talk about how they used HIS methods to have success? And he’s been around what now? 3 years?”
****
I can’t speak for David D. because I can’t read his mind. But I can personally say that if I’d paid several hundred dollars to hear either you or David D in person (or even more if I had to fly to attend), I would NOT invest my own hard-earned money AGAIN to hear the same info a second time, and tell everyone else how great the method is. Why your own students have done this, I don’t know. Did you let them in for free, and fly them down?
I doubt you’re going to see any DYD “true believers” jumping up at a seminar and praising it anytime soon. This has nothing to do with the success of the system, and has everything to do with it being geared towards “average Joes”. An average Joe is going to read the e-book, put the principles into practice, and start dating more women, pure and simple. He’s not going to become a “convert” and chase seminars around like a DYD groupie. Those that DO get really into this stuff will delve further into the seduction materials available and see that DYD, while effective, is just a part of the bigger puzzle (as is SS). For example, I’d imagine that most people big on RSD right now ended up that way after an initial introduction to DYD.
GuitarZan mentioned that David D’s newsletters contain success stories. While no one short of David himself can say if these are genuine, here’s part of an e-mail I received personally from someone I’d shared the e-book and newsletters with:
“I have gotten 4 dates in the past 2 or so weeks from this. I also have two girls
who are friends with me start hitting on me. Amazing!
I actually got two dates in a span of about 2 minutes. First after one of my
classes at University, me and this girl bumped into each other. In the most
serious tone I said “watch where you’re walking”. I swear to you she just flat
out hit me. I started dogging her about hitting strangers and how I might be
murderer ect. Just really laying the bullshit. Got her number and I’ll be
going on a date with her next week sometime. After walking out from that
building I saw this “8″ with her bag open so I told her about it and she thanked
me. I teased her that I may have been a theif and that she owes me a reward.
Worked wonders. I have a date with this girl too.
In only a week I can say that I already have some of my personal tricks. One of
the other girls I met was in my class. I noticed she had given me the eye
several times in class. Yesterday she comes in late and takes the only
available seat which happened to be right next to me. I start dogging her about
being late and not to disrupt my thinking again. She was amazed! We started
writing notes back and forth to each other during class and now I have her
email. Sweet.”
Ok, it took this guy 2 hours to read Double Your Dating, and a few of the DYD newsletters. Would he have got the same results after 2 hours of studying Speed Seduction? Again, I’m not saying this to discredit Speed Seduction as it can be effective and has its place. I’m just illustrating that for the average guy who doesn’t want to make a lifetime study of this stuff, it’s just fine on its own.
Ross,
Oh man, let’s just say that we know each other really well.I must give you a lot of merit, though, because you’ve stuck it out for a long time in this field. A lot of your techniques do merit a hell of a lot of respect. My friend, where your system lacks is MODELING. You see your role as the “Originator” has theoretically put you on top to where the only people you’re willing to learn from are your own students. Where you went wrong was you stopped innovating, IMPROVING, and looking around in the world to what the TRUE world-class naturals are doing, and then replicating it. That’s where a lot of other camps have you fried.
Ross, I guarantee that if you go into some of the hottest venues, man, you’re going to get FRIED. Try to run a pattern on an HB10, when she doesn’t give a fuck about you. Man, she’ll tool you AND YOU KNOW IT. That’s why you’re trying desperately to keep your material up to speed w/ the other clans. Thing is rather than fight it, join them. Man, and as far as DYD, well, they’re making changes to implement a lot of newer material into the existing system, utilizing the best out there Mystery, Style, TD, Swingcat, PB, etc.
Ross, you’ve got so many great things going for you, and YOU’RE BETTER THAN THIS. You’re not making any friends like this, and I know you have plans as well to update a lot of your products. Do you think anyone is going to want to buy them? Man, rather than rambling online, you should be out there getting laid, dude. Man, you know the shit, now go use them.
Your Close Friend
> And some folks are just out to make a buck
> and don’t give a fuck about their students;
> Swingcat is one I will specifically name.
Bullshit. He spent time replying to my emails, spent money out of his own pocket to mail me materials, and went through a lot of trouble to accomodate me.
> Do you think David D would make time to
> take you out and show you HIS methods?
> Swingcat? Tyler? I don’t think so…..
Uh huh. After having one good chat with Tyler over the phone, he invited me to crash at his place in Kingston for several days if I wanted to see him work, after he found out I lived 4-6 hours away from him.
> He can pay big bucks for guest speakers to
> fly in from around the country but NO
> returning students are there to talk about
> how they used HIS methods to have success?
RSD and MM mentioned before that DYD was essential basic material. Several of the guest speakers who post LRs on fastseduction.com clearly do C&F-style sarges. In fact, in that ridiculous LR your student wrote, you used “the most astonishing C&F” which is arguably the meat of DYD.
Speaking of those ridiculous LRs posted by your top student; take a look at fastseduction.com and see how real LRs are written. The ones you posted has virtually no details, and ZERO educational material to be gleaned from them. “Within five minutes my cock is in the prettiest one’s mouth.” … right. Helpful.
Finally, you don’t seem to like to respond to statements questioning SS’s lack of a structure and its weaknesses. You only seem eager to
1) Respond to “thank yous”.
2) Bash others.
“Oh man, let’s just say that we know each other really well.”
You can say whatever you want. I see zero evidence for your claim. Prove it. In fact, based on what you say about “patterns”, I would say you are so ignorant of what I actually teach that you have probably never even been to an event/seminar let alone hung with me personally.
How about this boss…what floor do I live on in my condo complex? Didn’t think so…
“I must give you a lot of merit, though, because you’ve stuck it out for a long time in this field. A lot of your techniques do merit a hell of a lot of respect.”
Really? If you aren’t just speaking out of your ass to gain credibility for your slams, how about naming specifically which techniques(and principles) merit respect?
Didn’t think so….
“My friend, where your system lacks is MODELING”
Rubbish. I don’t think you understand modeling at all; it is at the core of NLP, and as a very skilled NLP’er(which even the folks who hate me will admit) I know modeling quite well.
I’ve already modeled the core of what many of your so-called “naturals” are doing, and it’s pretty fucking simple. THEY complicate it to sell a seminar or system, but I could teach the conceptual essence(as opposed to listing 25 different small chunk techniques) in about 1 hour.
If you don’t believe me..well..come hang out with me sometime. You claim you know me quite well, so you know my number. Give me a buzz.
. “You see your role as the “Originator” has theoretically put you on top to where the only people you’re willing to learn from are your own students. Where you went wrong was you stopped innovating, IMPROVING, and looking around in the world to what the TRUE world-class naturals are doing, and then replicating it. That’s where a lot of other camps have you fried.”
Wow. This is a lot of ‘knowledge’ you are CLAIMING to know about my learning process. In fact, I learn from everyone.
And by the way, what is a “world class natural” in any case? Is Swingcat a “natural”? Is “Tyler”? No. They learned from imitating. And a lot of trial and error as well.
But thanks for admitting that MY students get such great results, that THEY can come back and teach me.
The further point is this: my students are NOT naturals. They are as far from it as you can get. If THEY can get such great, real world results with my material, starting where THEY start from, then ANY ONE can do it(including these “average Joes” you talk about).
Where are the DYD students who master it enough that THEY come back and offer to teach what THEY know? Hmmm?
I say again: WHERE ARE THE REAL WORLD SUCCESS STORIES? If they exist, would you think DYD would be smart enough to fly them out, put them on stage(even on video) and use them to market, market, MARKET?
“Ross, I guarantee that if you go into some of the hottest venues, man, you’re going to get FRIED”
1. I don’t think you have a clue what I can do.
2. “Hottest venues”….who says the world is made up of “hottest venues”? And why would an “average Joe” want to even go there?
Hot venues..as in A-list nightclubs..are a non-reality for most guys anyway. Unless you live in LA or NYC or a similar big city and get even get in.
It’s like looking through the key hole of the door and assuming the little bit you see is the entire home.
My friend, hot women can be found EVERYWHERE. If you want to stand in line, breath other people’s smoke, smell their drunken breath and stay up til 4 ‘AM, have a party and enjoy yourself.
The rest of us have real lives. The rest of us want to be able to meet women anywhere where find ourselves.
. “Try to run a pattern on an HB10, when she doesn’t give a fuck about you. Man, she’ll tool you AND YOU KNOW IT. ”
You’ve never even been to a seminar or bought a course, have you? You don’t even know what a “pattern” is as you seem to only define it as a memorized speech, which is something I moved beyond in 1997.
Now, if anyone reading this wants to really learn what patterns are about, and how to use them anywhere, go to the website and sign up for the free newsletters:
http://www.seduction.com
“That’s why you’re trying desperately to keep your material up to speed w/ the other clans”
You are about as mistaken as anyone can be. But I leave it to those who want to find out for themselves what I am teaching these days to go to the website:
http://www.seduction.com
“I know you have plans as well to update a lot of your products”
Indeed. Go to the website to find out more:
http://www.seduction.com
“Your Close Friend”
I think not, you lying sack….
RJ
Fuck dude…
You are the most bitter guy I have EVER seen. Fucking whineass. You’d be the guy bringing me out of state in clubs.
But uh oh… you DON’T DO CLUBS???
Originator? I read Latin texts of Ovid who knew about patterning®. I know of a guy who experimented on conditioned responses aka anchoring®. Pavlow ring a bell? (bell – LOL!!)
Stop… being… bitter… or get the fuck out.
And do NOT come back until you did the long awaited PUA battle with Mystery/TD/Swingg/SB007/PBLA/BadBoy/…
Up the irons
P.S.: David DeAnushole – WTF?
On the Double your Dating Advanced Seminar CDs DeAngelo refers to someone who is the oppisite of composure. One of his friends in the room knows who he is talking about, but they never say his name. I think I just figured out who that person might be.
All I know is I pulled a stripper up out the club on Wed. while conventioneering in Vegas; while I used mainly RSD for this, I also ran Incredible Connection on her so I guess RJ gets credit for 1% of the lay.
Thanks player!
-jlaix
P.S. – I know a lot of dudes snicker at RJ’s newfound love of yoga, but I go to fuckin yoga occasionally (technically Pi-Yo), and I can assure you it is packed with HBs and maybe, like, two gay guys. Highly recommended.
-jlaix
“P.S. – I know a lot of dudes snicker at RJ’s newfound love of yoga, but I go to fuckin yoga occasionally (technically Pi-Yo), and I can assure you it is packed with HBs and maybe, like, two gay guys. Highly recommended.”
Exactly my point. Why go to a club, fight AMOGS, get bitch shields, stay up til 4am, etc etc when you can go to a Yoga class, meet super-hot women in fabulous shape(every bit as hot as any 10 in a club) who are always tranced out and blissfull after class and happy to talk to you.
Group theory? Find a GROUP where there are 40 women and two straight guys(you being one of them). THAT is group theory.
If the rest of you want to hit the clubs, have a party. I’ll see you doing downward dog at Sacred Movement or Yoga Works in Beverly Hills(hint: it’s across the street from an Urth Cafe, so all the yoginis head over there after class to grab a coffee or tea, blissed out of their little leotards. So skip the Yoga. Just go to Yoga Works and find the class schedule for the location on Beverly Drive, calculate the timing, and show up at Urth Cafe a few minutes before class lets out.)
Free tip that, from RJ
-jlaix
Posted by: jlaix at May 2, 2004 01:32 PM
>>Exactly my point. Why go to a club, fight AMOGS, get bitch shields, stay up til 4am, etc etc
Because its FUN!! For some of us, its all about the chase.
I spent most of Friday night in a workshop with Mystery, when he went out that night he went out with no peacocking. He was wearing a grey t-shirt, jeans and white tennis shoes. No makeup, not peircings, no nothing… When he was helping me with sets he HAD to use cocky and funny get attraction. Cocky and funny works.
I’ll say this, the Yoga idea, and others like it, are good ones. I mean, the bottom line in pickup is to go where the women are, especially the highest concentration of hotties. I don’t think any system would argue this. At the same time, with regards to this point:
>>Exactly my point. Why go to a club, fight AMOGS, get bitch shields, stay up til 4am…
If you can master the social dynamics (Aside: the RSD moniker is making the use of this phrase a bit stale
in this scenario…..then you will be a veritable pickup god in lower stress/stimulus environments. Its like practicing with professional athletes, and then go playing your matches in a intramural league.
Exactly my point. Why go to a club, fight AMOGS, get bitch shields, stay up til 4am, etc etc
“Because its FUN!! For some of us, its all about the chase.”
Great. For most guys who read and buy my material(and I think most of the other “gurus” as well), getting to a hot night club is something they will likely never do(as they don’t live in LA or NYC), or, as in the case of many of my students, they are in their mid-30′s, with serious and solid careers and don’t have the time or energy to stay out til 4AM chasing chicks.
But if you enjoy it, go ahead. I never said you shouldn’t do it.
BTW, if you talk to Mystery, he’ll tell you flat out HE USES SPEED SEDUCTION ONCE HE’S ISOLATED THE WOMEN HE MEETS IN CLUBS. Don’t take my word for it. Ask him. See what he says.
I” spent most of Friday night in a workshop with Mystery, when he went out that night he went out with no peacocking. He was wearing a grey t-shirt, jeans and white tennis shoes. No makeup, not peircings, no nothing… When he was helping me with sets he HAD to use cocky and funny get attraction. Cocky and funny works.”
Sigh. I’ve been through this a million times. I’ll have to go through it again:
1. Cocky and fun works..to do what? Get you laid, by itself?
No, at best, cocky funny works to get you past her initial”is this just another boring, desperate guy” screen.
On its own, it isn’t going to get her clitty vibrating and her pulse pounding. You are STILL going to have to do more, unless you happen to be her ‘type’ or are so damn good looking, she gets wet looking at you.
If that’s you, count your blessings and congrats. Again, for most of us, it isn’t.
BTW, at the risk of sounding like “I INVENTED THAT”, I’ve been teaching cocky-funny approaches since 1988 in my original book. Cocky-funny/put-on approaches constitute 1 of 4 effective approach positions/attitudes you can use to meet women, but that is all it is. Just ONE. By itself, it isn’t enough. Would you not agree?
For more on how to meet women go to:
http://www.seduction.com
RJ
>>Just ONE. By itself, it isn’t enough. Would you not agree?
Yes, its just a way of establishing female to male attraction.
To get laid you have to establish comfort, isolate and then go sexual. You need to start with attraction.
That “FR” from Vince has to be the worst one ever written. Sorry Ross, that one doesn’t fucking count. No useful information whatsoever. It sounds like “a day in the life of Vince,” or he’s telling his buddies what he did the other day.
To be fair, the FRs from the RSD camp are starting to look like this too.
And Ross, it’s not good for business to be so condecending to your POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS who aren’t convinced of your method. You’re acting like “why am I the only one smart enough to see my method is better?? Why are you all so stupid??” Yeah sure, you’re the smart one and everyone else is stupid.
Ross,
I bought your Basic Home Study Course. It is junk in my opinion. (I know, I just don’t understand it I guess, or maybe I’m an idiot!). Thank god I was able to get rid of it on Ebay.
I purchased the DYD Advanced Series CDs and my game increased tenfold. Thank you David DeAngelo!
okay…i was not going to post but just couldn’t resist after seeing RJ going blabbering his old ugly mouth again…ross, be smarter, get out of the game…unfortunately, i see you losing this whole lifestyle from now…losing it all…it may free you from the lies you have been living…like OJ Simpson, you don’t know the difference between real and unreal…your lie has become your lifestyle…slowly, everyone’s creeping up and catching up and finding out the sad reality of SS…
u and everyone here knows SS is random garbage except for your sorry ass cult-like followers…don’t fuck with RJ? FUCK YOU MAN! You think i forgot your bs games with me? You are whack telling your whack ass crew attempting to call me saying “don’t fuck with RJ!!!” What the fuck is that!!!
i just want you to shut up man…i understand you make your sorry ass living from this lifestyle cuz u don’t have one…ur old, ur dying, get out of the game before it totally ruins more of you…that’s the best way to state it because if you really see the BIGGER PICTURE, you just don’t know how much you are trapped in this business…RJ wasted thousands of people’s pockets and this is the inevitable destiny of the biggest coward in the seduction community…
don’t get angry man…you created it yourself…u created the ultimate self-destructive system of all time…not only for u but for others…cuz the material is garbage…pure unrealistic, fabricated up the ass, garbage…
u can complain about dyd and everyone but u know waht,….the truth is, you have NO RIGHT to do that…it’s over man….ur an old man, get the hell out of this game…
RJ…i challenge you man…to come out to la jolla…i’ve heard you like the ladies down here in san diego…especially la jolla…yeah, i heard in your whack ass cd’s i wasted my money on…
seriously…come down here man and I’ll personally challenge you one on one match on who gets more approaches, #s, kiss closes, lays, etc…
seriously man, this is for your own good…u tried to be compete mystery but everyone in the inside seduction commmunit know you’re the real joke who’s been commercialized up your ass…
i ain’t got nothing to lose…i’m supposively the laughingstock of this community and i am very positive i will beat you in this game and you’re supposed to be the GURU!!! HAHAHA…so be it man…at least, i don’t fabricate lies for years and years….you are the liar of liars…RJ…be proud…
seriously RJ, this is it…i had personal beef with you because you are a fucking asshole racist bastard to some people…=) I don’t care about our past cuz you know you’re a fake just like your whack ass crew loudmouthing and memorizing sorry scripts up…
i put $1000 guaranteed if you beat me in this match! And you wanted your opportunity to make your cash, your best friend…then be it…
come to sd…let’s do a one WHOLE day/night match and the winner takes $100. you say you don’t like loud clubs…me neither…let’s go to college campuses here in sd full of young hotties that you probably can’t even touch…
and i’m not fucking kidding around! this ain’t no joke…this is beef between you and me and now i want you to have the opportunity to PROVE yourself for ONCE, you piece of shit! After the match, no more talk…just good ole competition style…and of course, winner gets $100. You better put up some money too because i ain’t kidding…oh yeah…this is not about fighitng or grappling in martial arts…i already am fighting another dude for 2 Gs but that’s another crazy story…but we can do that too if u want to physically punished by the martial arts master…
i ain’t afraid of you…just becuz u on tv, media, my new mission is to save others from being brainwashed by scam artists like you! yeah, i called you a scam artist…be proud…you may think everything is protected legally but the essence of you…the core-material you have been teaching for years, to pay for your temporary assets (liabilities in essence)….only to lie to thousands and to your own double-faced self…
my advice to RJ once and for all: get the hell out of the game…cuz u don’t belong in the game…u know it…i know it…and so it is…
and i do NOT want to hear, “but you can learn from any method”…u can learn from any method…absolutely true…you can also learn how to jack off by yourself…same result for every SSer i have met…
if u cry out loud like a bitch, just realize your destiny is cursed permanently…don’t mess with the real manifesting magician…
BJ Min (Manifestis3)
“okay…i was not going to post but just couldn’t resist after seeing RJ going blabbering his old ugly mouth again…ross, be smarter, get out of the game…unfortunately, i see you losing this whole lifestyle from now…losing it all…it may free you from the lies you have been living…like OJ Simpson, you don’t know the difference between real and unreal…your lie has become your lifestyle…slowly, everyone’s creeping up and catching up and finding out the sad reality of SS…
”
Oh Byung…you cute little, dog-eatin, mother humpin Yellow Boy.
Folks, BJ is mad because:
1. He’s STILL a virgin
2. He was illegally selling my material and I stopped him cold. So now he can afford those yummy German Sheperd Steaks
RJ