Manipulation and Morality
February 4, 2004 by Thundercat
Filed under Analysis
**Reposted from the first Lair, original date: 1/13/04
So an "Anonymous" poster has decided to step up and indite my little post on the Subtle Art of Manipulation. I say "Anonymous" because he seems to prefer not to stand beside what he said, even though I can read his IP address so it really doesn’t matter. Regardless, he does make a good point. For those of you who might have missed it, this is what he wrote:
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This community is fucked up when you celebrate duplicity and manipulativeness as if it were a virtue. Do you think the girls can’t see that same duplicities in this guy that you can? Why would you emulate this guy? And be plain faced manipulative?
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What this person fails to realize (or maybe he does realize it) is that this community is built on duplicity and manipulativeness. Everything we learn to do is geared towards manipulating other people to get what we want. In fact, pretty much anything in life is like that. The only difference here is that we make a conscious effort to do so, and are aware of what we are doing.
Which brings up an interesting question about morality. Basically, the question is: Is manipulation wrong? Is it a bad thing? The answer to that is a difinitive — MAYBE.
If you look at these tactics for maipulation, the stuff we learn to help convince girls to sleep with us, they are in and of themselves AMORAL. They simply exist. They are psychological realities that exist in every person, and they will always respond in certain fashions when stimulated a certain way. The thing that makes manipulation "good" or "bad" is the intention behind it. If you manipulate a sick friend to see a doctor, is that a bad thing? By the same token, if you manipulate a poor man to give you all of his money, is that a good thing? It all depends on the person doing the manipulation.
In the study of seduction, if you manipulate a woman to sleep with you because you’re attracted to her and you want to give her a great experience that you both can share, is that bad? Not if you’re the type of guy who likes to please women. However, if you’re the type of guy looking to use and abuse women, and you sleep with them for the power trip it gives you, then it can be argued that the manipulation is a bad thing, because it’s meant to hurt the woman rather than give her a great experience. And when it comes down to it, that all depends on who is doing the seducing.
The thing I think is telling about this person’s reply, however, is how they point out that I think girl’s can’t pick up on the same duplicities in this guy that I did. This tells me he missed the whole point of my post (then again, maybe he didn’t =). The fact is, the thing that made this experience so amazing to me was the fact that NO ONE — man or woman — would have picked up any duplicity from this person IF THEY WEREN’T EXPECTING IT. That is what makes it so amazing. The subtlety behind it, the gentle manipulation that goes unseen… it’s simply masterful.
I can emulate this guy who did this in the same respect that an artist can emulate Da Vinci after viewing the Mona Lisa. After seeing the art he created, breaking it down, studying it, noticing the rhyme and reason behind it — you begin to realize the talent it takes to create such a thing. And when it comes to manipulation, not just create it — but USE it. Like painting, manipulation is an art. But its such a difficult art to master, because you do not deal with concrete substances like paint and canvas. You deal with people’s thoughts, emotions, and reactions. For that reason, it is so much more volitile and unpredictable than any other art out there, that when you meet someone with such mastery over it you cannot help but be in awe of them. It just so happens that most people either never recognize their talent or view it such as this "anonymous" poster did, which is: in the wrong way.
In the end, it all depends on what you use these skills for. They can be used for good and bad, depending on the person using them. I like to think I’m a good enough guy where I wouldn’t do bad things with this knowledge. But regardless, morality has no place in the study of pursuasion and influence. This is a science, nothing more, which is why I can look at something like this and be in awe of it. I compare it to looking at a nuclear explosion. It is something that can be terribly destructive, but it is also something that can be awe inspiring and beautiful. It all depends on how you look at it.
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