Real Social Dynamics SNAFU
July 16, 2008 by Thundercat
Filed under Drama & Rumors
Okay, so there’s been a video making the rounds on the internet showing RSD instructors getting tooled in the club. RSD has tried their best to get this video taken down, but thanks to the efforts of some rank-and-file community members, the video has gone on. Here it is:
Now, this is a pretty embarrassing video, for sure. But you know what? Anyone who’s been in the field and tried new things before knows that sometimes, shit you try just doesn’t work out. I don’t think that’s deserving of ridicule.
"What? Thundercat – you’re SERIOUSLY defending RSD? Seriously???"
Ha ha – no. Let me finish.
What I’m saying regarding this video is that I don’t think its as bad as everyone is saying it is. There have been some parodies of this video and RSD’s new "Natural Game" style, as seen in the video below:
(Please note that RSD, in an effort to do "damage control" is saying the above parody video was released by them. This is not true. It was done by some guys who think RSD is lame. That’s a fact.)
What disturbs me about the RSD video isn’t that this guy miscalibrated the situation and things didn’t work out. That’s fine. It happens. You live and learn. But RSD is actively TEACHING this shit to students.
I’ve had numerous reports from people around Los Angeles telling me of instances where RSD students, using this type of super-aggressive "natural" game, are getting KICKED OUT of clubs for accosting women.
Seriously.
Women are complaining to bouncers about aggressive tactics like the one seen in the first video, and getting them ejected from clubs.
Now, I don’t know what kind of shit RSD is teaching their students. But how can you teach someone "natural" game without teaching them how to calibrate the responses they’re getting, or even how to create trust and comfort with the girl???
If you look at the first video, the mistake this dude made was rushing up to a girl with no regard for making her feel comfortable, or creating any type of connection with her. He just FORCED himself on her, and that’s the type of reaction women will give you if you try and do shit like that!!!
Real naturals, the guys who are really good with chicks, don’t rush in like a linebacker looking to tackle the girl. They try to ENGAGE the woman. They introduce themselves. They talk to her. They get her comfortable. They escalate.
Anyone who knows ANYTHING about natural games KNOWS THIS.
Yet, RSD is teaching their students cheap gimmicks they pass off as "natural game" and its not only not getting them results, but it’s also getting them KICKED OUT OF CLUBS.
It would be one thing if the video above was just an instructor trying something new and it not working out. That’s fine. Not every interaction can be a success.
But when you go out TEACHING that failed methodology… well… that’s something else entirely.
Buyer beware.
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This is sad, and I’m afraid you will see more of this stupid shit. Any guy that really loved women would not be so disrespectful.
And who came up with “natural game”?
It can’t be taught…its too complicated. It comes from spending a lifetime around women. Its a step above SS, and we know how hard it is for guys to learn that.
I will go on record and say if you are not a kinesthetic based person you will never truly understand the dynamics at play with SS, let alone “natural game”.
If I were to teach someone “natural game”, I would have to hand select them and spend 8 hours a day for at least 3 months, and they still wouldn’t be that great at it.
But, it is the most powerful seduction on the planet.
Seduction isn’t a line or a routine….its a feeling, an intuition, its processing sensory data, and gut feeling all in a millisecond.
And most of all…its a two way process, you and her.
Shes letting you seduce her…ya know.
But all this shit has been said before….no one cares. They just want some magic line that will make panties fall…half the people in pickup are mentally ill.
Later
Are you seriously saying “natural game” is one step above Speed Seduction? The most contrived and artificial system for seduction out there?
You gotta be kidding…
Are you seriously saying “natural game” is one step above Speed Seduction? The most contrived and artificial system for seduction out there?
Artificial?…sigh. Ross is an ass I admit.
SS is the cloest thing I have seen to get you into a womans mind.
You have to understand what is going on, the process. Its not the lame ass over the top patterns, thats his attempt to get dumb people to get it.
SS is nothing more than an attempt to bring conversational hypnosis into seduction.
I just do not understand why you guys can not see the power of that. Have you ever spent the time reading anything about Milton Erickerson?
That the biggest part of NLP is based off that one man.
I’m losing my point, be more specific.
Have you spent any time with SS? Do you have any of the products?
Do you think Mystery could teach natural game?
What do you yourself think natural game is?
You gotta be kidding…
No I’m not….I’ve seen what it can do, in some ways it is almost scary, the things you can do with it.
Hit me back
I fucking hate RSD.
Heres why:
1. The people who buy into RSD are the same idiots who click on Spam emails for penis enlargment pills. They are desperate prepubescent kids looking for social skills, or old men, who are looking for dumbed down skills to meet women. They feel morally opposed to using routines – RSD provides a “magic pill” – or “magic pill” advertising – for these weak minded pussies.
2. RSD reframes every shit thing as being something good. These fuckers are delusional.
Example:
chasing after a girl is a fucking demonstration of lower value. I wouldn’t do it for a guy, and I definately wouldn’t do it for a girl who I want to interact with. I ESPECIALLY wouldn’t do it if I am a fucking instructor expecting to teach guys with no social skills how to “naturally talk to women”. It’s misleading, lame, and unfair to those who are working towards learning competence.
But, the easy reframe these stupid value-wankers would say on RSDnation:
“wow alex!11! that was awesome bro! you totally gave value by just plowing through her resistance and letting your nimbus shine through. you just did it… LOL MATT DAMON!!”
no – Alex, you suck. I could out-game you with rehashed routines that have been in the community for the last 5 years, and I am sitting on my ass, drinking coffee, in my bathrobe with nothing underneath. Tyler, suck my cock. I am cooler than both of you turds.
3. Majority of the turds who bought into the whole RSD idealism and post on RSDnation = KJ’s with no skill.
turds
I fucking hate RSD.
Heres why:
1. The people who buy into RSD are the same idiots who click on Spam emails for penis enlargment pills. They are desperate prepubescent kids looking for social skills, or old men, who are looking for dumbed down skills to meet women. They feel morally opposed to using routines – RSD provides a “magic pill” – or “magic pill” advertising – for these weak minded pussies.
2. RSD reframes every shit thing as being something good. These fuckers are delusional.
Example:
chasing after a girl is a fucking demonstration of lower value. I wouldn’t do it for a guy, and I definately wouldn’t do it for a girl who I want to interact with. I ESPECIALLY wouldn’t do it if I am a fucking instructor expecting to teach guys with no social skills how to “naturally talk to women”. It’s misleading, lame, and unfair to those who are working towards learning competence.
But, the easy reframe these stupid value-wankers would say on RSDnation:
“wow alex!11! that was awesome bro! you totally gave value by just plowing through her resistance and letting your nimbus shine through. you just did it… LOL MATT DAMON!!”
no – Alex, you suck. I could out-game you with rehashed routines that have been in the community for the last 5 years, and I am sitting on my ass, drinking coffee, in my bathrobe with nothing underneath. Tyler, suck my cock. I am cooler than both of you turds.
3. Majority of the turds who bought into the whole RSD idealism and post on RSDnation = KJ’s with no skill.
turds
Hey Psych here, I’m the guy who’s in the parody video.
It’s true we were having a laugh at Alexander’s video but it was all in good fun. We don’t think RSD is “lame” and actually have a great deal of respect for the company and it’s instructors.
We respect ANY company that strives to help men better themselves.
It is true that we don’t work for RSD though and decided to do the parody on our own but I don’t know anyplace where RSD claims it’s their’s to “save face”.
Anyways you guys can expect some more funny PU videos soon as well as real infield video’s of cold approaches.
These are some thoughts that I had:
This is appalling. I don’t know if I should laugh or cry. You know when you just cringe in horror at the screen, like watching Curb Your Enthusiasm or Borat? I had a similar feeling watching this.
He appears like a drunk, crude, coarse, crass, belligerent, desperate, homophobic yob all in one short video clip.
Running after a girl, calling her a “minger”, lunging at her in a drunk fashion, getting rejected after making a clumsy attempt at kissing and then demanding to know why she is in a gay club by hitting her with a series of needy questions is emphatically *not* game. Especially as the girl looks very uncomfortable if not frightened.
Tyler and RSD have contributed a lot to this community. However, if this is what students can expect from spending 2 grand on a bootcamp then would you be so inclined to go to one after seeing this? I have see examples of this sort of game( lets call it Natural Drunken Yob Game) every week on the streets of Temple Bar in Dublin!
Game is all about body language, wit, intelligence, humour, elegance, grace,chemistry,being un-reactive, un-needy, being able to vibe, being fun, being, sexually broadminded (not making a big deal about being in a gay bar) cosmopolitian ( yes, hot girls do go to gay bars), socially savvy, being cool,being able to have an emotionally charged conversation, exuding charisma, class, and knowing when and how to escalate smoothly.
None if these attributes were on show here.
If young Alex just posted it saying that he had a few drinks and was just having a laugh, then sure, no big deal at all. Everyone would have found it funny.
If, on the other hand, you hold this up as a great example of puadom and this is what you can expect from an expensive bootcamp…………well, a torrent of anger and criticism will flow.
It is telling that RSD responded by deleting the youtubeclips, locking the thread of further negative comment http://www.rsdnation.com/showthread.php?t=26581&page=15 and then using some dodgy logic to defend this travesty.
By arguing that you clearly have not studied the blueprint, as if you did, you would “get” this and if you don’t understand how this is a successful example, you need a bootcamp reeks of desperate logistic gymnastics.
When I see clips like this, it reminds me of how weird the community can be. RSD are capable of much better than this.
Here’s the thing guys.
What RSD advocates is fully available for FREE on their blogs and forum. You don’t ever need to be a customer of theirs to get value from the information put out on their websites.
Try the stuff out for yourself in the field. Again, for FREE, using YOUR faculties as a human being. Didn’t have to buy a thing.
No need to get hissyfit over ‘natural game’ versus the scripted game you probably paid a few grand for at a hyped seminar.
Buyer’s remorse converting itself into lashing out maybe? Either way.. useless sensationalism.
I’m not a fan of Tyler but why would he put his name, ego and reputation (which I think he highly values – all 3) on the line advocating ‘natural game’ he didn’t think was valid? This is the same guy who was an obsessed scientist when it came to scripted, canned game and created a lot of the stuff being used today. I just don’t see it.
You guys are chodes. Remove your lips from Tyler’s nutsack long enough to realise he’s a mystery/style wanna be guru who lacks any real talent with women.
do u guys listen to twenty-six’s podcast? he talks about the REAL tyler and REAL rsd, and they’re always lame!
So what if they give shit out for free if it sucks ass? there are sites out there that post about raping women and molesting little boys for free too. does it make it good just because its free?
Stop being a loser and free your mind from the rsd cult! Bary Kirky speaks the truth!!!!
Is Barry Kirkey your idol?
Would you sacrifice your unborn fetus for Barry Kirkey?
On a scale of 1-10 how much do you love Barry Kirkey?
Guys, shut the fuck up.
Look, that video is NOT representative of what RSD teaches nowadays. If you watch the Blueprint Decoded, read Tyler’s blog, read Tim’s blog or read Alex’s blog you will understand why.
1. The RSD today is NOT the same RSD from 2003-2005.
Given the accounts in The Game and from former RSD instructers like Barry (TwentySix) and Playboy, I am inclined to believe that Tyler was an asshole during that time. I’ll even give you that RSD “stole” concepts.
But guys, times have changed. It seems that Tyler responded to the negative publicity he received and changed the outlook of RSD for the better.
Most “gurus” will tell you that inner game is 80% of the battle. RSD is, far and away, the best resource nowadays for inner game. Their programs did 100x more for me in that regard than all of David D’s programs, Hypnotica’s programs and Zan’s programs combined.
2. RSDNation is a much better forum than mASF. It isn’t even close when you compare the quality of the discussions on the two forums.
3. RSD’s instructors are naturally cooler than most of the other “gurus” out there. Whenever I listen to Style or Mystery talk, I feel like every word that comes out of their mouth is calculated and inauthentic.
RSD instructors like Tim, Jeffy, Ozzie and Nathan, on the other hand, come across as genuinely cool guys. I think this is because of RSD’s new focus on inner game.
4. I have heard nothing but good things about their bootcamps. 4 of my friends have taken RSD bootcamps over the past year and ALL of them have come back changed men who not only can attract women but live better lives.
What it comes down to is this. The reason people hate RSD is because Tyler and Papa were roasted in The Game for, as far as I can tell, legitimate reasons. When I finished that book, I HATED Tyler (Retarded since I had never actually met the guy) and avoided RSD.
Then I actually read some of the stuff they are teaching nowadays. Because of this FIRST HAND experience, I have a lot of respect for those guys.
-Caligula
“but I’ve got nimbus!” LMAO
~shrug~ I like natural game
I like that video so much because those chodes are getting what they deserve. RSD students are mostly minute-men who couldn’t satisfy a woman mentally or sexually even with David Shade standing over them giving them play by play instructions. The instructors teach them to steam-roll women into bed and act as if THAT has a near 100% success rate. It’s bullshit. Yeah, sometimes it works, but it has a low success rate for mediocre looking guys and even the good looking guys could do better with Speed Seduction or Swingcat’s Real World Seduction.
What I dislike most about it is that though the instructors call it “Natural Game” it is really an artificial “inner game” joined with artificial hyped up energy and someone else’s so-called “natural” lines and attitudes.
Essentially, there’s nothing in it that really makes you worthy of the value which you are TRYING to display to women.
Knowing SS or conversational sensuality and hypnosis makes you a man who can make a woman CUM just by talking to her. David Shade can make a man into a lover so good that after you’re finished with her, a woman will no longer want to be with a man who hasn’t studied the Masterful-Lover products.
I suspect alot of chicks who get conned by RSD soon experience buyer’s remorse.
Knowing SS or conversational sensuality and hypnosis makes you a man who can make a woman CUM just by talking to her. David Shade can make a man into a lover so good that after you’re finished with her, a woman will no longer want to be with a man who hasn’t studied the Masterful-Lover products.
I suspect alot of chicks who get conned by RSD soon experience buyer’s remorse.
Someone that understands…:), what seduction really is.
You have to WORK for your meal.
“What it comes down to is this. The reason people hate RSD is because Tyler and Papa were roasted in The Game for, as far as I can tell, legitimate reasons. When I finished that book, I HATED Tyler (Retarded since I had never actually met the guy) and avoided RSD.”
it wasn’t just the game, the smoke from owen cook and nick kho was apparent back when they were on masf, but lets face it, there are a lot of unsavory characters in the seduction racket as it is
“What it comes down to is this. The reason people hate RSD is because Tyler and Papa were roasted in The Game for, as far as I can tell, legitimate reasons. When I finished that book, I HATED Tyler (Retarded since I had never actually met the guy) and avoided RSD.”
it wasn’t just the game, the smoke from owen cook and nick kho was apparent back when they were on masf, but lets face it, there are a lot of unsavory characters in the seduction racket as it is
“Artificial?…sigh. Ross is an ass I admit.
SS is the cloest thing I have seen to get you into a womans mind.
You have to understand what is going on, the process. Its not the lame ass over the top patterns, thats his attempt to get dumb people to get it.
SS is nothing more than an attempt to bring conversational hypnosis into seduction.
I just do not understand why you guys can not see the power of that. Have you ever spent the time reading anything about Milton Erickerson?
That the biggest part of NLP is based off that one man.”
Hypnosis and Speed Seduction are just illusions anyway… Another way of using psychological principles using mysticism and authority. Just like religious cults.
FINALLY the shit is truely hitting the fan for RSD. Let me tell you something, these video’s are NOTHING! I mean NOTHING. This only scratches the surface of what’s being taught.
Alex is one of the more normal ones. Some of the advice Jeffy and Tim give — is much worse than this.
Thundercat really nails these guys on the surface here though. They don’t teach comfort and feel it derails the pickup. They teach nimbus and alpha behavior. Some teach that alpha and dominant behavior towards confrontational men — though in fairness Tim says to befriend men.
Loud voice projection, instantly clawing women, total disaknowledgement of calibration — are all parts of what is taught.
I tried repeatably to warn these guys it would catch up to them. I tried repeatably to calibrate the advice — and I was repeatably labeled as negative and banned from their site. Now it’s going to catch up with them. I tried to help them.
RSD has some great inner game advice of gold here and there — and some of their advice can be great for a shy guy or a nerd endlessly caught in his head — but the direction they ultimately take you is just as far off the deep end in the opposite direction as you can go outer game wise.
The only great contribution RSD ever really gave to outer game is from Tyler who has some pretty funny little lines to say — and too much of those or a personality surrounding AROUND those can lead to a gay vibe.
In fairness the fall of this company into bullshit is not as I can tell attributed to Tyler or his advice. Although he way overanalyzes and overthinks — the man gives wise calibrated and smart advice 75 percent of the time. This is based on him not taking control of his staff. People like Jeffy and Manwhore are complete juvinilles and they arn’t being controlled or kept in check. They pride themselves in giving advice that is not helpful for their students (even Tim does this with his amazing sadness opener and other tidbits of advice) — instead the purposes of their advice is to feel their own egos and sense of “not giving a fuck what anyone thinks of you” — which by the way is rule number one for RSD.
P.S
I also totally agree with thunder that RSD is NOT teaching natural game. They arn’t. They hit on it here and there but just as often if not more they are just teaching cavemanning and foolsmate game on steriods. Even in the way they teach foolsmate game is flawed — it can fuck up sure chances with even a horny girl looking to fuck because of how over the top and over-compensating and outrageous that they teach their advice.
If you want to learn cavemanning read up on gunwitch — he knows what the fuck is up with that.
Hypnosis and Speed Seduction are just illusions anyway… Another way of using psychological principles using mysticism and authority. Just like religious cults.
Laughing….illusions. Dude, we ALL use persuasion every day of our lifes.
Mysticism???
Final note:
I just want to also say that what is happening now as people begin to gang up on RSD is a result of the way they have behaved but also a result of competition. A big part of it is that RSD has been trying to squash these other companies by taking little jabs at them over and over and over and now they have had enough.
No doubt that Thundercat and Style and those that are more focused on structured game are going to take things that are easily exposed by RSD and blow them up all over the place. RSD is an easy target for that, all one has to do is read their forum archives — and spend enough time around them to see how misguided a lot of their advice is. Try the sadness opener for a night if you don’t believe me.
That being said — Thundercat and those that come after RSD are not saints either — their methods come with thier own flaws.
RSD actually came out with a product that does a good job of taking the good from THOSE other methods and balancing them with calibrated and natural advice in “foundations”. It’s their best product in my opinion.
Transformations was a long advertisement with a few tidbits of good advice. Jeffy show was about nimbus. Blueprint was a pickup version of Tolle’s “a new earth” and Flawless natural Tim is a clumsy attempt at radicallized cavemanning with an injection of early RSD sillyness. None of these products ever really get it right as there is no balance and a lot of ego.
Tyler and company have taken enough shots and now more and more shit will start to leak about them. Im glad about that because they are such bastards and they care only about their ego’s — they should not be allowed a free pass.
However
Don’t for a second think that people like Thundercat or structured game advocates are perfect either. They have their own flaws. They are taking shots to increase THEIR business not out of concern for you.
If RSD wants to survive these shots others have begun to take and will CONTINUE to take — they are going to need to come out with a program of in field video showing that thier crazy advice works consistantly (elements of it can done in the right way, calibrated, and with the right girl at the right time, if your not a complete jack ass at heart).
Also Tyler is going to have to come down hard on some of the idiots he has hired and make them clean up their acts. Word is Tyler is retiring RSD soon though anyways.
-Mack wild
“Hypnosis and Speed Seduction are just illusions anyway… Another way of using psychological principles using mysticism and authority. Just like religious cults.
Laughing….illusions. Dude, we ALL use persuasion every day of our lifes.”
And? Of course we influence each other all the time. Hypnosis is not influence.
Mack Wild you have a very very skewed model of reality. SO judgmental and self righteous. SO unattractive. I can FEEL your agony and pain in every letter you type. Good luck living your day tomorrow. It must be a chore!
Your right — my life sucks. Now I have to go to work with a hangover and no sleep since I was up all night last night with a girl and drank too much alcohol!! Oh the agony man. Such agony.
Here is a Comment from a Seduction Forum its rings kind a true.
[...]- Tyler = He is only theoretician with no game.
On his blog:http://realsocialdynamics.blogspot.com
you can see Tyler alone in the woods, Tyler alone in the backyard, Tyler alone at the beach, Tyler hiding behind a cactus, Tyler alone on a bike, Tyler alone in the desert etc. sorry but this is the lifestyle of a depressed lonely man![...]
Okay, here’s the deal. Real Social Dynamics aren’t the routine speawing -fix-it-alls that half of you perceive them to be. You go buy the new shit they’ve come out with. You’ll see what RSD really is. An opinion is an opinion, but come on… You people aren’t being unbiased. I enjoyed every minute of the RSD programs and am much better for it.
oh, and BTW. It isn’t “structed” seduction, it’s trickery. Not a change, but a shell or sheild you put over yourselves. (My opinion, dont blow up on me).
Company Real Social Dynamics is unfair! I payed 2 x $47 for Real Social Dynamics Prague LIVE Workshop – April 23, 2009 (I payed it two times, because I payed for me and my friend). I thought, that it is refundable deposit. On their page is information: “Free Workshops – $47 Registration Fee – Refundable Provided You Attend”. It’s two months ago and no money back! I sent them 3 e-mails, no answer. I tried to call them (all their phones from web page) – noone is taking up the phone. On the workshop I filled some document, where I signed, that I want my money back. It wasn’t true, they are not good people. Real Social Dynamics, Inc. is unfair company!
It’s OK now. I sent more e-mails and requested money by Paypal. They sent money back. Why didn’t they make it automatic, I don’t know. Noone sent me “sory”. It looks like they think that I am the bad boy, because I want them to give me deposit back. Eh.
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