Breaking News: Real Social Dynamics Still Sucks Ass
February 19, 2008 by Thundercat
Filed under Rants & Reviews
So the other night, I’m minding my own business when I get an Instant Message from Donovan over at the Seduction Chronicles. He asks me to check out this post where someone other than me finally takes RSD to task.
Now, I know I get a lot of flack for ragging on the Real Social Dickweeds over there in the magical world of PUA-land where Tyler and his minions continue to drink the cool-aid about how they rule and everyone else sucks, so I was happy to see that I’m not the only one being vocal about it anymore.
(Just to be fair, nearly every major PUA I know talks shit about Tyler and crew, but they don’t do it publicly. That distinct pleasure seems to be reserved for yours truly.)
So my first reaction to this post was – it went too easy on these guys.
Now, most of what I’m going to write here is directed primarily at Tyler and Papa, since they pretty much are RSD. All the other guys – Jlaix, Christophe, and anyone else I don’t know, I have no real problem with. They are just the most recent brainwashed minions to fall under the Tyler spell. So this in no way is meant as a criticism of them.
Getting back to it – the purpose of Donovan’s post was to talk about the mythical "Blueprint" which is now 4 years in the making. It’s basically a critique of Tyler’s teachings, and that reflects as to why the Blueprint is never coming out.
Now, RSD just released "The Blueprint Exposed," or whatever the heck their next lame product is. But make no mistake about it – it’s just the same old recycled Tyler crap you’ve always gotten from him.
The biggest complaints I hear directed towards my criticisms of the RSD boys and their teachings is that I’m "jealous" or "petty" because they "won’t hang out with me" or that we had some type of falling out because Tyler didn’t want to write articles for me any more.
Make no mistake about it – that’s not true. I used to consider these guys friends, and I kept quiet about my concerns with Tyler and crew for a long time after that relationship deteriorated (this happened around the time the boys were all ganging up against Mystery in Project Hollywood).
The thing that made me go public with my criticism of RSD was the deluge I got from people who took their workshops and felt they got scammed. Before long, I was getting too many of these emails and bad reviews to ignore.
Then came the evidence that RSD was putting inexperienced instructors into the field to teach paying customers stuff they could not even do themselves.
Finally, there was the "Deep Throat" who sent me private messages from RSD’s instructor’s message board specifically outlining how they planned to trick workshop students into thinking they improved in their workshops when really it was just a trick for inexperienced instructors to make the poor student feel good without having to actually deliver results (and therefor not deliver a refund).
All that combined, I felt the need to speak out, because my personal experiences with these guys has never been anything but bad. Papa is a sociopathic liar, and so is Tyler – Tyler is just more charismatic and better at hiding it than Papa is. And neither of them really care about anyone other than themselves – so you can add a healthy dash of narcissism in there for good measure.
Now, I know what you’re thinking: "Thundercat, what does this have to do with pickup? Why are you hating? Negativity sucks. Blah, blah, blah."
Well, this actually has a LOT to do with pick up, since these are guys that students look up to and follow. These are also guys who have the power to REALLY mess people up.
The reason I’m writing about this is really because the focus on Donovan’s post was about the teachings of RSD. Well, let me say this right now:
THE TEACHINGS WORK.
That is how they are able to stay in business. If you follow the
instructions that these guys lay out for you, chances are you will get
results.
Now, you may feel shocked that I say this, but it’s true. The
teachings are good! However, the reason they are good is because – THEY DID NOT COME UP WITH THEM.
Tyler is what you get when you breed a leech with a sponge. No one
freakin’ cared who Tyler was until he started hanging out with
Mystery. Then, all of a sudden, Tyler starts posting about his "super
uber crazy skillz" on mASF – which is all stuff he learned from
Mystery, but Mystery never bothered to post publicly about, and he starts getting props.
Then, Tyler starts learning Speed Seduction. Now he’s down with
manipulation and mind control in addition to routines and peacocking. Okay, cool.
After that, he starts teaching his own workshops and gets the whole
"hero worship" thing going. (Another thing he got from Mystery)
Then, he moves into Project Hollywood and studies Neil Stauss’ every
move. And for those of you who pay attention, this is when RSD was in
their hey-day.
He then starts taking things from gifted co-horts of his, Like
PlayboyLA, Sickboy, and Twenty-Six, and passing them off as his own.
Keep in mind, this is all taking place in the 2004-2005 time frame.
Why is this relevant?
Simple – because THIS is the time when Tyler announces he is writing THE BLUEPRINT. The supposed end-all-be-all of pick up.
And then something incredible happens…
EVERYONE DITCHES TYLER!!!
Mystery excommunicates him. Ross refuses to hang with him. Style
thinks he’s a prick and a phony. Even the people who were closest to
him – Playboy, Sickboy, and Twenty-Six – all see he’s a sociopath and
move as far away from him as they can get.
People stop posting their ideas on Mystery’s Lounge because Tyler keeps ripping them off and passing them off as his own.
Then, the cracks in their organization begin to surface, the bad reviews start to come out, and what do they do?
THEY CUT THEMSELVES OFF!
They stop participating in the community. They stop posting on mASF.
They only do stuff on their website, their blog, and their newsletters
because that’s the only way they can manipulate what gets out about
them.
But something else happened when they retreated into RSD-land…
TYLER RAN OUT OF PEOPLE TO STEAL FROM.
Notice how little innovation has come from TD since the actual,
TALENTED gurus, such as Mystery, Style, and Playboy, stopped hanging
out with him?
Trust me: This is not a coincidence.
Tyler has always been very good at co-opting other people’s ideas and
making them seem like his own brilliance. But Tyler is just a
charismatic snake-oil salesman. He is repackaging stuff that better
PUAs teach, and passing it off as his own.
Even newer products like "Transformations" is a rip off of the
behavioral stuff Dr. Paul has been pioneering. And don’t think a lot
of TD’s latest offerings haven’t been poor-man versions of stuff Brad P
came up with.
Like I said – their teachings work – but not because of them. In fact, it is DESPITE them that they work!
All RSD is, is an organization designed to do 2 things…
1. Make money
2. Inspire mindless loyalty in their students.
Oddly enough – this business model is even ripped off from Ross
Jeffries, who, for once, is actually RIGHT when he says someone stole
something from him!
These guys DO NOT CARE about students. Their goal – with their
products AND their workshops – is to fool students into feeling good
enough that they won’t ask for their money back, without having to
deliver any actual results.
And this is the reason why the actual Blueprint will never be released
- because Tyler has run out of the best people to steal from, so he has
a hard time writing this stuff down because he can’t analyze and break
down what better PUAs are doing before they popularize their techniques
first.
All you’re going to see from Tyler and crew from here on out is the following:
1. Products based on seminars where they give away 0% content but make you feel really good for watching it.
2. Workshops designed to excite people without evoking any real change or results.
3. Fun videos that display Tyler’s charismatic personality to make you
like him, without ever really showing you how freakin’ sociopathic he
is.
4. Long, rambling posts and field reports that are either completely made up, or completely ripped off from someone else.
Trust me – if it wasn’t for the fact that they somehow weaseled their
way into almost all of David D’s products, these guys would have been
out of business long ago, because they aren’t innovators. They are not
originators. They are rip-off artists and fakes. (Again, this is
aimed at Tyler and Papa, not others in the RSD crew. They may be just
as bad as Tyler, but history shows that the people TD and Papa surround
themselves with are actually much more talented than they are.)
So before people go off half-cocked and tell me I’m a loser who’s just
spouting negativity for no good reason, I think you guys have to look
long and hard at how these guys and their past actions have played out.
1. They’ve stopped innovation because all the innovators have stopped hanging out with them.
2. Everyone who used to like them now hates them and wants nothing to do with them.
3. They have a business model based around self-gain and deception.
4. They isolate themselves because they have a narcissistic need to manipulate and control all information about them (something the Nazi government was very good at, as well).
5. They threaten to sue anyone who actually dares to speak ill of them and expose the truth.
If there is anyone out there reading this who has signed up for an RSD
product or workshop, or is thinking about it – trust me, you would be
better off with almost ANY other seduction course or guru out there,
with the exception of Ross Jeffries.
In my humble opinion, there are two companies you should never, ever, EVER buy or learn anything from, and they are:
1. Real Social Dynamics
2. Speed Seduction
So who should you learn from? Well, check out my Top 10 list. Those guys are the REAL DEAL. Check them out for yourselves.
Okay, rant finished. Now let the flaming begin!
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The fakers will hang themselves with their own nooses. I was ousted out of a favorite forum of mine some time ago, by a man who argued and bitched at people just like Tyler does. He gave information in which he didn’t follow and people listened to him, only because he has the illusion of the internet to guard his persona. When people met him in real like they figured out what a douche he was. This turned out for the best I started my own forum that has grown tremendously in the past 4 months http://www.pualifestyle.com
My point being. Don’t worry about him.
Come visit us and Be Well Brothas.
Ian Smith.
http://www.pualifestyle.com/forum
Thanks Ian for the reference. I checked out your website and I like it’s layout and how it is set up.
My BP review is going to be spread out over posts for people since no one else is being very detailed or specific.
I am now through the first 4 hours of the program. Basically the whole thing so far has been Tyler rambling on about why looks, money, being romantic and other “socially conditioned” things are not the best ways to become good with women. He gives countless examples and experiences to back this up. The advice he gives is to live authentically, do what you want to do, have values and don’t just try to fit in with whatever you think will make you cool to someone else. Instead be a selector basically — that’s what he is saying so far.
Again — it’s basically common community views with the analytical, reasoning and persuasive touch of Tyler’s personality.
A good example he gave was how we will get a new haircut or buy a new pair of shoes to basically get a short term self esteem boost from it. That’s why we do it. Since this can indeed lead to short term success we continue to fall into that pattern, but it’s better not to need that stuff in order to feel confident.
He also pointed out that if we dont approach or we have a poor approach it is often from a subconscious feeling that we are not entitled based on life situations, money, looks, having a worn out pair of shoes…ect.
So he makes some good arguements to cement common knowledge so far … more to come …
got a copy of the blueprint, although i am a RSD fan, i am very glad i did not pay for this. the info was useful but imagine your cool older brother telling you stuff but with no reason for having to show you how to implement any of the info. maybe i have been spoiled by products that i could use that night and have instant gratification and instant reasons for being satisfied.
i felt the same way about transformations only to find out that when i revisited it later to be content filled and a major help from my standard MM based game
hopefully this will pan out the same way so for my review, one and a half thumbs up! i have gnoe through the program once… it is after all 20 hours long.
but i remain optimistic that after processing the info i will utilize the info. . so big props for RSD cause i feel that the community is done as far as method based teaching is concerned, so the natural approch makes sense. but coming from a starter who used to caveman to get laid before finding the community, the natural advice was similar to what i was doing.
so if your familiar with transformations and used the great source of info already (especially ozzie with the closing part, my sticking point!)if your STILL having problems i would recommend this blueprint.
if your new, stick to the MM version for starters than switch to RSD when your getting confused with the intricacies of this game. —————
all other products suck and are not all that important, these will only confuse you.
got a copy of the blueprint, although i am a RSD fan, i am very glad i did not pay for this. the info was useful but imagine your cool older brother telling you stuff but with no reason for having to show you how to implement any of the info. maybe i have been spoiled by products that i could use that night and have instant gratification and instant reasons for being satisfied.
i felt the same way about transformations only to find out that when i revisited it later to be content filled and a major help from my standard MM based game
hopefully this will pan out the same way so for my review, one and a half thumbs up! i have gnoe through the program once… it is after all 20 hours long.
but i remain optimistic that after processing the info i will utilize the info. . so big props for RSD cause i feel that the community is done as far as method based teaching is concerned, so the natural approch makes sense. but coming from a starter who used to caveman to get laid before finding the community, the natural advice was similar to what i was doing.
so if your familiar with transformations and used the great source of info already (especially ozzie with the closing part, my sticking point!)if your STILL having problems i would recommend this blueprint.
if your new, stick to the MM version for starters than switch to RSD when your getting confused with the intricacies of this game. —————
all other products suck and are not all that important, these will only confuse you.
I’m pretty neutral about this RSD thing. I don’t love them. I don’t hate them. I don’t read their stuff either to be honest nor do I plan to consider it.
Whether the guy is good or bad is up to people’s judgements and Joseph, you can have all the proofs and reasons in the world but you’re fighting an army of thousands.
Your chances of winning are slim, if not zero. Keep your opinion to yourself, just like every other person does. For your own good.
Daniel
Coach at http://www.pualifestyle.com/forun
Have listened to more of the BP but am taking a break from it for a day or two as it is just really a lot about thinking about things that don’t necessarily pertain to anything solid. It’s almost like a program that is taking all the concepts you have learned from RSD and the community and making a comedy act. BP is like a comedy act that a comedian would do, but i dont say that because it’s funny — it’s because that is how it is kind of set up. He picks a term like confidence and rifts off it for a bit.
Later on when he is rifting on something else he might look to tie in an example to something else he rifted off or some earlier conclusion he made. Instead of a comedy act it is more like a analyst act — picture a commentator commenting on the developements of terms in the community and you get sort of an idea. He’s trying to relate certain terms and idea’s from the community (a lot being his own) and put them into context but often there is always an opposite context, and he seems to acknowledge that — 2 sides to every coin — so it ends up a wash a lot. I think thats part of the reason guys have a hard time reviewing or explaining it. Most that relate and feel it to be awesome are just captivated by Tylers energy and persuasion skills (hype).
Not all the way through yet so I will be back with some final impressions, but I think basically most people need to be very advanced to understand it — and I am advanced, but even for those advanced enough to understand it — really — if they are advanced enough to understand it they also understand that it is all just one way to look at it, and that there are always multiple ways to look at something.
Case and point I have seen every product from them in it’s entirety. I saw foundations, transformations, jeffy show — and now am making my way through BP.
So far I would say transformations is the best product followed by foundations then Jeffy show and I would actually put BP last because while it’s 20 hours of trying to put things into perspective, it seems that the reason for the program really is just to try to undo all the confusion out there in the community — to solve a problem that they themselves created — but you cant really think your way out of a problem can you .. I mean thinking in itself is part of the problem.
Mack wild, what’s the obsession with trying to critically disect RSD? You run the danger of becoming another Thundercat here… just let go of whatever’s happened, get back in the field and pull some girls. That’s where the glories at. There’s nothing to be gained by this critical disection of real social dynamics or anyone else for that matter, as you say, “thinking is part of the problem”. Fuck thinking. Pull girls
Mick
you know what, i posted my review of the blueprint yesterday and kinda slammed it. i now fully understand what happened to me, my brain did actually melt and the negative review i gave shows it. it took a couple of days to fully understand what happened.
Tyler compiled all of the reading and practices of philosophical, spiritual and pick up material from his own material. this could be where he gets blamed for stealing, but from a consumer standpoint, i could not care less who packages it together, as long as they cite they’re source( as Tyler does)
the blueprint basically doesn’t give you anything but tells you how your own mind restricts you and how to lift those mental restraints to get your true self out there. plenty of Tony Robbins and Tolle references (which he does indeed cite) if you read self help a lot, you will get where most of the material comes from, but i appreciate a total packaging of such great material with tylers spin on it. sounds like a guy who gets it instead of listening to some audio book from a speaker who has a completely different personality than us in the community.
all in all i didn’t get the blueprint at first but now, i can call it an instant classic. i cannot recommend it for someone new to the community because i feel that it wont have the instant results that someone that might be full of skepticism who wants to see instant results. but for people in the community that have heard all of the Extended spins from the johnny come lately companies. the BLUEPRINT is for you, time to drop the lines and just set yourself up for your own personality.
i can not lie this is far beyond what the community is about, there is alot of hate directed to RSD. but put that aside and give it a while after you watch/hear the BP. i am proof that it took a while to fully sink in
im from Chicago where game is abundant in the competition, this no doubt helps set me aside from the rest with the whole offering value parts from the BP. i implemented these notions on Sunday and the attraction part was there, all i had to do was standard hellos and i was able to choose who i wanted,
the women were drawn around and i thought it was just a good night that had nothing to do with the BP since i was 3/4 through with the product.
so look fellas i have no idea whats with the back and forth beef with RSD and the rest but this is the shit,
———- if you take it seriously——
later fellas, keep it P.I.M.P
GOOSE
^ Exactly. You nailed it.
Every time you view the BD, you get a different experience from your ongoing understandings of it. This is what makes it so powerful.
Authenticity is an ideal. I’m glad RSD jumped on it. And it’s so powerful.
I don’t know Tyler and I could hardly care less about the politics and bickering within the community. I’m just a guy who is trying to improve a very important area of his life, and that’s all I am.
I happen to feel that Tyler’s stuff is very valuable, and has certainly taught me an awful lot OF REAL VALUE. I know he has improved my life.
Do I really care that somebody else invented the “3 second” rule…? Is it unethical to fail to mention that some other guy came up with idea first…?
Honestly, no. My science Teacher in school taught us that the Earth is round, for example, but at no point did he ever feel the need to say, “By the way, I didn’t actually discover that myself.”
Get a life, guys. This stupid political stuff is a waste of your energy.
We are all a group of guys trying to chew a big bunch of ideas.
Bertrand Russel & Alfred North Whitehead “proved” that 1=1 but if I tell you that “I balanced my checkbook” it does not require me AT ALL to give credit to all of the great names in math history who made it possible.
This whole argument is beyond stupid.
Value is where you find it.
I’m grateful for all who have shown me some great concept to improve my life.
I thank them all.
What I won’t do is to emotionally invest myself in the negative energy in arguing about it.
Ok first of all I am just giving my opinion and my review to this thread because it is about RSD and there has been a lot of hype surrounded around this product. In fact many of the responces here were along the lines of
“The blueprint is the best there is and will change everything” ect. ect.
So I am just giving my review and my opinion.
Second of all I have not even finished it yet, and as someone said my impression may change, who knows.
Third of all I have seen all of their programs and have advocated foundations so many times it’s sickening. In that program Tyler was very free of ego, laid back, chill, and totally cool in my book. It’s the best I have ever seen him. In the blueprint he seems like a raging maniac at times.
In foundations he is teaching you how to approach women but with a very down to earth and natural spin on it. In the blueprint he is making bold over the top statements, and then admitting that he is over-exaggerating and that sometimes the opposite is true. These are just a few reasons why so far I rank it behind transformations or Foundations for an RSD product.
Fourth of all I dont know where the idea comes from that I am bashing rsd based on copying other concepts. I’m not. Thundercat was doing that. What I am saying is that unlike the hype and marketing that led to the BP release — this is nothing new, it’s the same Tyler stuff, he is just rifting on the same things and tieing them into self help concepts. In theory this sounds awesome!! That’s why I am taking the time to listen to this even though it could mess with my mind and fuck up my game. I love the idea and good for him for having it. The problem is that at least in the first half of the program .. he is not actually really Tieing much of anything together so that it has any practicality to it. All he is doing is picking terms and then rifting on them for a bit and saying so blablabla and that means that x y or z could happen but it could be M or it could be n but do x y z really matter or maybe z could not matter but perhaps y — of course it could be c but then that would mean y would perhaps not be .. you see the answer is really X. THE ANSWER IS X GUYS. repeat x is the answer. THIS AUDIENCE SUCKS, I AM GOING TO LEAVE IF YOU DONT FUCKING REPEAT IT!!! REPEAT IT!!! REPEAT THAT X IS THE FUCKING ANSWER!!! HAahhahahahahahahaha .. But then if x is the answer then what about y?
Student: Well what about B.
Tyler: well sure b can also be the answer sometimes. Look guys I am not trying to tell you that X is the answer here. Im totally not — so please dont go out into the world feeling that X is always the answer. B is the answer too. In fact in most cases though — I would say that Z could be the answer. Have you guys ever seen a case where Z is the answer?
You know, it’s fine if you didn’t find much value out of it. People learn differently and that’s ok.
I know I found great value in the BP.
I’ll give my quick review:
The goal with the BP is to get in touch with your Core Confidence, self esteem and live authentically.
The Program is like a continuum or spectra from social conditioning to authenticity. He starts off talking about social conditioning and how we learn. He talks about all the consequences of that. Like how humans are always pinging eachother to see if what they are doing is “cool” living a life of reaction. He talks about how humans are walking around in a trance not having concept of who they are and what they value.
He goes from concept to concept telling us how the world is working, what we react to, why we do what we do, what value is, all the ways people try to get state, etc.
That’s like the first half.
the second half we get closer to how to live a life of true authenticity and self esteem. I hate to give it away but he basically talks about Identity, the ego, how to get unstifled and get into state, selfesteem, and living a life through your own intentions.
It was pretty awesome man. I have found nothing but value from The BP.
And if people don’t like the messege of the BP I respect that, there is nothing wrong with that. And thats what I like about the community, that people can find whatever they need to get this part of their life handled. I always try to find value in all the schools of seduction b/c it has all work for someone.
And when it come to RSD… They are the real deal in my book.
You know, it’s fine if you didn’t find much value out of it. People learn differently and that’s ok.
I know I found great value in the BP.
I’ll give my quick review:
The goal with the BP is to get in touch with your Core Confidence, self esteem and live authentically.
The Program is like a continuum or spectra from social conditioning to authenticity. He starts off talking about social conditioning and how we learn. He talks about all the consequences of that. Like how humans are always pinging eachother to see if what they are doing is “cool” living a life of reaction. He talks about how humans are walking around in a trance not having concept of who they are and what they value.
He goes from concept to concept telling us how the world is working, what we react to, why we do what we do, what value is, all the ways people try to get state, etc.
That’s like the first half.
the second half we get closer to how to live a life of true authenticity and self esteem. I hate to give it away but he basically talks about Identity, the ego, how to get unstifled and get into state, selfesteem, and living a life through your own intentions.
It was pretty awesome man. I have found nothing but value from The BP.
And if people don’t like the messege of the BP I respect that, there is nothing wrong with that. And thats what I like about the community, that people can find whatever they need to get this part of their life handled. I always try to find value in all the schools of seduction b/c it has all work for someone.
And when it come to RSD… They are the real deal in my book.
Well it is starting to get better. Maybe part of my annoyance in the beginning was he was covering a lot of stuff I have heard over and over and over again.
I listened to some more tonight. He talked about state, he talked about resistance, and he talked about the all too common phenom of knowing about the power of state and having that mess with your head and WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.
See that’s the thing. I like knowing WHAT to do about things. You can tell me till the cows come home what you think about something, why you think it, and how my mind works — but if you don’t give me something to focus on in order to correct whatever observations/problems/details you notice — why am I spending my time on it?
He started to mention he is going to talk about ways to promote getting into state, and he also even started to talk about the way expectations set the bar for getting into state.
I find this section very interesting, because I find state itself to be one of the biggest breakthroughs that RSD has discovered. The fact is that when you are in state, you can indeed do or say anything and have it go over. The problem is KNOWING that. If you know it then when your not in state you almost feel like “what is even the point of approaching”. So he addressed that and is adressing it in many ways. Now I am starting to get into some real teachings here. I hope the rest of the program starts moving in this direction.
More to come ….
“I find this section very interesting, because I find state itself to be one of the biggest breakthroughs that RSD has discovered.”
RSD discovered this? I was teaching it in 1993. Bandler and Grinder were teaching it in 1975.
Do you read books, moron?
Now, a message for Tyler:
“Run you cur. Run. Tell all the other curs the law is coming. You tell them I’M coming. And I’m bringing Hell with me.”
^ ^
Yeah right, RJ…you discovered everything, you douche.
Read the forums and see all the wannabe gurus switching from their gay routines to being a Natural. Then they’ll pretend like they’ve always been a Natural.
There’s one guy on Fast Seduction now using all the terms from the Blueprint and pretending that they are his…..haha….this community is a joke.
OMFG!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
T-cat, all you do is talk without any skill set. Who are YOU to critique RSD?
U were, are and always will be a chode.
HAHAHAHAHA!
RJ I am not familiar with your teachings at all. Even so I am pretty sure you didn’t come up with the idea that you can hit a “state” where anything will work — otherwise you would not have been teaching long winded routines to hypnotise people….”moron”.
“”I find this section very interesting, because I find state itself to be one of the biggest breakthroughs that RSD has discovered.”
RSD discovered this? I was teaching it in 1993. Bandler and Grinder were teaching it in 1975.
Do you read books, moron?”
On most of the SS products I have seen , state is always mentioned as well as ways of getting oneself into state .One of the top ss’rs, Rick h had ways of getting into state as mentioned on the cd .
“Now, a message for Tyler:
“Run you cur. Run. Tell all the other curs the law is coming. You tell them I’M coming. And I’m bringing Hell with me.”"
HHmmm… a threat?
Well maybe I should give RJ a closer look, a lot of people have told me about him but I always just viewed his stuff as something for behind closed doors and something I was naturally good at. A closer look is warrented it sounds.
go here:
http://www.theseductionbible.com/2008/03/18/the-falling-in-love-pattern/#comments
the guy running the blog gives examples of his early experiences with ss
in a creative writing class he embedded a pattern into a story and read it the class with interesting results……
Tyler is living proof of how little read most of the community are. Kinda scarey really. Just read another Ciaran philosophical fart that’s been lauded too. Embarrassing. You don’t need to wonder how shit like Jonestown and Waco went down with guys like that in the world and morons to worship them.
Just listened to the 4 pillars of unreactivity, also I forgot to mention that he covers love a little — his view on love is a bit jaded though, despite supposably having had a girlfriend now for about 3-4 years.
I was listening to this stuff and I just thought to myself of how he contradicts himself and what he preaches with his actions so much. Even within the very program the blueprint, you can reference numerous contradictions from his past actions and teachings — to how he behaves in that very program. Laughing maniacly at his own jokes even when they are so unfunny they arnt even jokes at all. Getting testy with some of the people asking questions, contradicting HIMSELF a sentence later.
It’s obvious that this guy has a lot of ability to spew analytical type stuff at you — but it’s also obvious that this dude is very much lost — a trainwreck waiting to happen.
What he has going on over there is very much like a Waco set up. He is not guiding people into a burning building but some of his advice is indeed very harmful. In the blueprint his message is very good at times, but if you listen close enough you see that he still doesn’t fully get it — even though he is trying to articulate it.
The fact that a lot of the guys DONT have much of a background in the community is what keeps him afloat. They havent heard the bad stuff, and if they do they refuse to believe it and defend him because they are in love with his message and his persuasive abilities, his energy, his hype.
Most people though, once they hear the truth the seed is planted and they start to see and notice this stuff. They may stick around and support him to a degree on his forum because of the value he gives by combining a lot of information from other places and dissecting it. However they realize who they are dealing with and tread with caution. That is my hope is that these guys just are aware of who they are dealing with. That is also why I am reviewing this program because while it may end up being one of the best inner game programs out there (it is starting to look that way) it certainly isn’t the magic bullet or the second coming — as previously described. It’s simply a way of thinking that might work to balance out any of the narcisistic tendancies that have been implanted in his own followers minds — BY HIM. Although in all fairness since most of what he teaches was once taught by someone else — he isnt totally to blame — he is just a robot sucking in whatever he can get his hands on and breaking it down.
“The fact that a lot of the guys DONT have much of a background in the community is what keeps him afloat. They havent heard the bad stuff, and if they do they refuse to believe it and defend him because they are in love with his message and his persuasive abilities, his energy, his hype.”
There target demographic is really guys under the age of 21…more suggestible…. I mean, why would a guy like jlaix where a baseball cap tilted to the side , looks silly on a guy who is like 32, the same way a guy that age wearing abaseball cap on backwards (which jlaix once said was the mark of chodliness)
There new method works and sets them apart,
but is really geared towards youngins’…guys who just want to get there dick squeezed…. I can’t see that working with someone over the age of 39 in a club ……get into
“core state”, “claw girl”, show dominance, tell her you want to bang her, bring her home..wash ,rinse repeat
Seems a bit shallow….
I am now embarrased at my first post and I am recanting it.
After several years in the community it turns out that I should *have* trusted what Neil said(who is a geat guy btw) and yes, even you Thundy!
Sorry Thundy – you were right all along!
I had a recent experience with RSD.
I don’t want to go into detail but the event not only left a sour taste in my mouth but it illustrated to me how scheming, manipulative and money orientated to the exclusion of all else they really are.
It is a pity as I encoraged eveyone I knew to overlook the criticism of RSD and to join their forums, take their bootcamps and buy their products.
Oh well…….won’t be doing that shit again.
Ur not JuiceTerry. Whats wrong with u?
Heh
It seems this RSD really weeds out bitter pple. i think its a good thing
Look at this WIlson Fisk, anyone with true game, read his statements and go, OH hes clueless. He doesnt even know what works. works easily too. I wonder what he thinks works?
maaaybe. he does some twirly whirly super intrigue based rountine where he tells the girl what she had for dinner 3 days ago.
And seriously, if some RSD guy slams ur mum and treats u like shiiiat and then goes to pee in a pub, will that have lessened ur game in any way if u previously found their stuff helpful?
And if you could never understand their crap then good for u too and there is no need to boast about how SOMEONE could not help u improve what u already think is ur sick game.
Still listening to the BP. Tyler talks a lot about a strong reality and living through your own intentions, but he fails to really map out a solid plan for doing so and just gives examples. This portion can cause a bit of a shift for you, in an important direction.
What I heard that really wowed me again though, is on day three he starts getting back into state, and he makes this totally awesome description of the battle between you and your mind and what to do about it. It’s probably the most valuable example I have ever heard. I’m not even really going to describe it because I am so impressed with it, i wouldnt want to give it away because it was creative and genius and I would feel like a shmuck to repeat it. Great stuff.
More to come ….
Mack wild: you’re ignorant, and you’re embarrassing yourself with your ignorance.
The battle between you and your mind—you’re talking about the airplane metaphor, right? Ross Jeffries used that multiple times years before, and probably got it from earlier NLP’ers. Tyler does present it well, though.
The Blueprint is only useful if you haven’t read and listened to much. If you’ve heard RJ and DD’s (or Mystery’s) basic material, you’ll get more than the Blueprint. Tyler manages to say and do less in more words. Weak.
Again — not familiar with RJ.
I am trying to give a review on the BP.
I have checked out MM and DD extensively.
This is about the BP — not MM products, not DD products.
BP brings together and expands on concepts from many places within the community and outside of it with Tylers spin. I do not deny nor do I judge that.
How can I get in touch with Mr. Owen “Tyler Durden” Cook?
It seems he has taken Ekhart’s Tolle’s book, “The New Earth” and made it into “The Blueprint”.
Save yourself $590 and just buy Tolle’s book
How can I get in touch with Mr. Owen “Tyler Durden” Cook?
It seems he has taken Ekhart’s Tolle’s book, “The New Earth” and made it into “The Blueprint”.
Save yourself $590 and just buy Tolle’s book
We are currently getting ready to serve papers to Mr. Cook. There are a couple of other clients involved as well. If you would like to contact us please contact the Fosh firm based out of LA. We might as well work together on this.
god this gossip blog attracts the weirdest most fucked up pple.
HMM LIKE ME!
haha the blueprint describes losers like us so perfectly though.
but its cool, cause we dont agree with it. and since we dont, we will now think of ourselves as SUPER COOL!
cause we will try to logically describe why we know that certain big shot GURUS are wroong and bad. and if we are better than them. we know we are better than enough pple in this world to FEEL keeewl.
All of you that have poured out all this energy are defeating yourselves. RSD nation is proud and strong. Tyler is successful. There is nothing that works better than anything else. You will all buy into anything, no thinking of your own. You are all here to begin with because of one simple reason, you don’t close.
Just close guys. Just fucking close. Stop being a chode. Close.
Ozzie, do you have any more game than just advocating dancing monkey and forcing yourself on any and all women and hoping for the best? Any drunken club asshole has as much ‘game’ as you but doesn’t charge $$$ for it.
Have fun and be the party. Then close. But Ozzie what about this but Ozzie what about that? Shut up and close. There is no but, there is only close.
The answer to everything is to shut up have fun and close. What is it with you guys and your theories and your talking and your routines? CLOSE. Just C-L-O-S-E. See that guy in the club with the girl you were just talking to making out with her in front of everyone? He closed. That girl you just ran the cube on who is in the bathroom? He closed. But Ozzie what about … shhhh … clooooooose.
CLOSE MUTHAFUCKER, CLOSE!!!!
Be the PARTY!!
best fucking advice ever!
guys if you don’t understand OZ, you cant be helped. OZ if that is you BIG ups, wish i heard that shit when i was 18 instead of 23. Guys the BP is what it is, use it to your advantage and disregard it if you dont.
RJ, No hard feelings man, No Country for Old Men.
Mystery RePackaged *REPEAT* RePackaged his own Volume1-5 into the Mind of Mystery and had the balls to charge you over 5Grand for it. Styles AM totally sucked and both of these guys are bullshitting you more than RSD has ever done with its products. Tyler is no saint in my book nor will i hold his dick for him. he is just a business man and he provided a product that can be used, but like dude said earlier, but Tolle’s, Deida’s Robbins, best stuff and youll find your basis for the BP. but dont bitch about RSD selling it for $500 when the real crooks are asking 5+grand for the same shit they were plugging in 05.
TTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAA
Yeah, that’s right if we don’t understand Ozzie’s cave manning antics there’s no hope for us. Typical RSD forumite response. Goose38 gets it though. Look forward to reading his 30-day challenge to finally, once and for all, deal with his AA. Might even be a LR detailing his lose of virginity in another 1000 posts and six months.
You know if we spent just as must time trying to find a cure for AIDS and we did commenting on this useless rant… We’d find a cure. These comments should have ended as soon as Jeffy replied.
RJ and GW, I have the utmost respect for u both, but why spend this much time here…
Everything below this blog post is practically a 233 comment pissing contest!
Just started checking out RJ’s stuff (dont worry I will still finish my review of the blueprint, which tranced me into some pretty damn effective social interactions the last few days) Anyways I wanted to just say that I started to check out RJ and let me just say that if MM based stuff is like burgerking, RJ’s stuff is the juicy steak.
If anyone “closes,” then I will sue you on behalf of Mr. Ozzie.
Lest anyone forget, I am Ozzie’s lawyer.
Thank you.
If anyone “closes,” then I will sue you on behalf of Mr. Ozzie.
Lest anyone forget, I am Ozzie’s lawyer.
Thank you.
If I close a warpig like Ozzie showed in his slide show in Transformations then you’re welcome. The irony was only lost on Ozzie when he asked, “This look perfect to you? I do this many times”. I believed him too.
BP review continued:
On Cd 12 Tyler talks at length about masculine polarity and pinpoints it down to drawing ones state from within as much as possible and not drawing it from the environment.
He got people authentically getting in touch with their inner animal, yelling things like oooooooooooooooooooo and YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE — HAW. When I listened to this part I felt exactly what he meant and it was another moment for me like the airplane example where I just seemed to understand what it is all about. I felt empowered as a man. I had flashbacks of some of the best naturals I have been around. It clicked.
Later on Tyler starts to go into button pushing, flipping the script, hard to get type stuff. Now the staple of my game is hard to get game. Hard to get game is an extension of my naturally indifferent and selective personality, taken to the extreme in a fun way. It’s the pinnacle of the community for outer game in many ways. The community basically gets a big part of it’s identity through it. David D, Mystery, and even RSD for the longest time — praised and promoted this style of interaction.
Tyler in a very careful way shattered the style completely. Using NLP to relate his listeners he described hard to get game and acknowledged how quick you can get kiss closes, numbers, and girls that are interested and all over you. Then he explained how all these guys that are entertaining and doing the hard to get stuff (he admits he use to) — usually end up home with vasoline and a laptop. He basically called it out as one of the worst ways to get sex or close. He called it a “mirage” and said that his new way will get guys 10 to 50 times the results as far as actually closing. That his way “sticks” better.
He talks about how you can indeed get laid from it, if you are able to keep it up the entire time and never stray from it — and even then it falters a lot. He compared it to walking a tightrope and said he used to get extremely angry and frustrated because if he made one stupid comment, or messed up in any way — the girl would be gone for good. How he would get these fast kiss closes and then the girls would walk off when they got their validation. How none of the girls cared about him or even liked him – they were just chasing validation and once they get it, they are gone. How he would think he was a pimp and his friends would too but he would often end up alone at night, feeling like women were so shallow.
Now this all struck a chord in me on a very deep level. This stuff does help you to get laid, and it gets some crazy things to happen for you. However hearing someone who use to promote this admitt that it was not what it seemed to be — in a way I could relate with — definately shattered my reality. My eyes even welled up with tears a little. Not really but I wanted to add to the drama.
Funny thing that happened though — is suddenly I thought about how persuasive Tyler is. I started to come back to reality. Tyler capped off his message basically with the point that his way is better for real and consistant results and that it “sticks”. This whole spiel was nothing more than an advanced NLP sales tactic!! I started thinking more, about how he is polarizing the situation and making it black and white.
I mean sure — if all you do to get a girl interested is play on her validation and use hard to get exclusively — sure if you mess it up and dont stay congruent you will often lose her. Sometimes you dont though. This is why MM talks about connection and qualification. This is why sometimes when your playing the game with a girl, and you have her attention and she gets to know you on a real level here and there — she becomes attached to that and doesnt leave if you mess up. This is why a lot of the natural guys tell you to convey sexuality and be honest about the fact that your thinking about fucking her, giving off that sexual vibe — but still being the selector. It’s why David says be the selector and be like “You seem interesting but Im just not sure about you yet” So you can actually show interest and give validation — without giving your power away.
There are so many ways to be a selective guy with standards who is challenging and hard to get that are real, while conveying who you are so you can create a marvelous interaction with a woman and have it “STICK” WITHOUT having to totally sell out to RSD and become this authentic natural guy who is “too good” for game.
This post serves as the perfect example to you all on how RSD brainwashes for their own purposes. A company is a company and they will do what they do — just remember that Tyler can potentially fuck up your mind and mess with your reality in ways that may not be in your best interest — leaving you sexless with an empty wallet — for his own personal gains. He is very knowledgable about game, persuasion, NLP, and other things — and he is an example of someone who takes advantage of that in some pretty dark ways. Watch out for this cat and think for yourself. I think he teaches you to think for yourself here and there to suit his own guilt.
Im not saying that the guy is wrong, maybe his way IS better — but until RSD comes out of hiding and displays that — go with your gut feeling and really give thought to what he says and reference your own experiences — dont get caught up in the hype. This was one of my favorite BP cd’s thus far, but it also served as an excellent reference and demonstration on why allowing RSD to brainwash you, is for chodes.
This is RJ, My REAL lawyer is busy assisting me in establishing colonies on the Narn homeworld. So I have no interest in suing Owen Cook, Nicholas Benedict, Yann Van Kanel, David Wygant, Barry Kirkey, Carlos Xuma, Eben Pagan, JD Fuentes, Richard LaRuina, Declan Lestat, Tony Ferrol, Erik Van Markovic, Nicholas Kho, Grant Adams, Lance Allen Mason, Sean Newman, Josh Seltzer, Christopher Fisher, AFC Adam, Mehow, Grungey, Asian Playboy, Johnny Wolfe, or any other scum fuck rip-off artist who is sucking a living off of my table by stealing my life’s work.
Except maybe Van Kanel and Lestat. They are utter pig-anuses and may well feel the sting of the legal lash across their pitiful shoulders.
RJ…headed for Narn now aboard the cruiser K-fAhKus
Hello
My name is Eben Pagan, many of you know me as D-a-v-i-d ………. De-an-ge-lo. I am E-X-T-R-E-EM-E-E-ELY excited to have the oppurtunity to discuss this very important topic.
I am P-A-R-T-I-C-U-L-A-R-L-Y interested in this article and it’s responces and am reminded of how the behaviors of a monkey scratching his anus and can show subtle ways and patterns that explain human interaction.
If you read the book “monkeys” by national geographic or pick up my program “how to BE a monkey” you would find it a-s-t-o-u-n-d-i-n-g-l-y helpful in your quest to become better with women.
Basically you are all wasting your time with RSD and RJ. I have told you all many times, throughout my 50 programs that it is all about being cocky funny. When a hoe-bitch steps up to me and tries to pretend to be friendly by saying “hi” I tell that slut that I am going to piss on her face and tie her from a tree upside down. You can feel the instant attraction.
Mack wild—were you dumb enough to actually pay for the Poo-print? I’ve seen it twice now after torrenting for free, and I’m glad I won’t have the hassle of sending it back for a refund. Because I feel like *I* should be paid for listening to this. (I did the same with their other products, and did afterwards pay for the two I found worthwhile and original. Comes down to the same thing as taking them up on the money-back guarantee, with less work on my part.)
It wouldn’t have been bad as a $20 book, maybe with a few audio files. Or an audio book. That’s what it might as well be. It’s such bullshit that RSD says they spent $250k making it, millions of dollars of camera equipment—all to film Tyler blabbing! What egotism.
(apologies to all the sane pple for the below nonsensical parody ramblings, i am in the process of implementing all the ZEN stuff and this is like Tolle’s description of an outlet for the pain body, basically i still indulge my ego every so often
damn this is taking years)
BUT ITS FUN! lets alll play
haha u guys wana play psychologist??? let me, let me, ill join in too
u guys want to tell us WHAT OTHERS ARE THINKING?? come on we are students of social interations, we are the shit at this stuff huh?
U want to show us that u know each other’s inner motivations??
plus u are so smart rite? u even know all these ways as to how these gurus can come across better, u even know how they can improve their personality and do the whole authenticity thing. well i do. I DO.
NOOOOW
who wants me to tell them why they post on this blog??
who wants me to dissect their big fat comments?
u want me to tell where u are lacking? u wana know why u are posting all this?
i can tell u man. i can. i can.(jumps up and down) I have been medically diagnosed as sick in the head that can recognize anything else sick in anyone elses head. No actually its just cause im king.
haha cause its easssy man. we are mostly saad cases and its so obvious. many other readers and gurus who read it automatically go YUP ONE OF THEM PPLE. SICK CHODES.
PU gurus read this kinda stuff that us guys post here then use it as a joke on seminar programs. (well i would anyway)
It would be like one of the joke higlights of seminars ( lets describe forum posters, lets describe the inner workings of tc blog commenters) lets all laugh at them. HA HA HA.
its like ..”EXAMPLE NO 3, have u guys been to those gossip blogs on seduction where they have dozens of posters talking about certain gurus and trying to show why they ABSOLUTELY know whats goin on. ”
AND DAAAMN when they talk about us like that it really HITS MAN. IT HITS. Those guys know our inner chodey shit motivations so well we cant bloody stand it.
I SUGGEST WE STAND UP. STAAND UP.
those stupid tyler- esque guru dudes may make fun of us cause we cant so called see the light and we are a bit too stupid to make total sense but i believe WE SHOULD STAAND UP.
cause us looserish blog posters totally outnumber these so called EXPERTS. AS LONG AS WE CAN KEEP POSTING, we will have social proof. CAUSE THERE ARE JUST WAAAY MORE OF US. stupids have always outnumbered bright ones.
PLUS of course we have the support of other bitter seduction gurus. (but we’ll thrash talk them more as well, since they are way easier to provoke than the ones who wont bother with the likes of us)
SO we will make fun of guys like RJ and GUNWITCH and any other guru who can be easily provoked personally. Easiest way to do it is to talk about how MUCH BETTER the material of the younger PU instructors are. like we will just talk up any hotshot company at the moment that they cant stand and woooooo we’ll keep those types of gurus forever here trying to qualify themselves to us and then after playing WORLD of WARCRAFT we can tell out fat ass buddy about how some famous guru responded to us with a LONG ASS POST. yup thats gona be so cool.
THEN to take on these smarter guys that obviously know about our mental problems due to their big long winded experiences of dealing with AFC pple over the years, and since they will seldom ever respond to us no matter what we say or get into those fun debates with us.
Here is my great suggestion.
WE WILL TARGET THEIR SUPPORTERS! Cause damn if u think about it there is no way that their supporters will have all reached a high level of skill or being all that enlightened. some of them maybe, but its still an industry directed at bitter loosers for the most part.
AND they may have even invested money into that identity that comes with supporting a guru. which means they can either get pissed at that guru or support him wholeheartedly so that they can can keep their mindsets of YES I PAID FOR GOOD STUFF.
PLUS since they are supporting a particular style of PU or that particular company they will definitely need to protect their identity by defending that company or guru.
Cause they know that if they allow us to shake up their reality and second guess what they have taken on board, their messed up reality will just affect their own confidence in their ability to believe in their own “skills” of being attractive that they believed they have learned from these gurus.
SO we can make this a 1000 comment thread if we all follow this strategy.
We can all then stay here pretending that we know the best way to handle this area while giving advice to posters or EVEN GURUS to feel better about ourselves for at least a few moments. We can even all feel like we have INTEGRITY cause we are speakin the TRUTH and saving other chodes, although yeah deep inside we know whats goin on but yeah nobody is gona know that bout us just reading a feew words on a screen.
WE CAN FEED OUR MINDS. WE WILL FEEL A BIT BETTER ABOUT OURSELVES. at least for a little while.
Well i do at least after writing this. OOOH i feel my ego boost. This article is just so witty. if anyone strikes it down or makes fun of it im gona go bitter on you and ill cry in my basement while writing a longer comment makin fun of u so u better not start.
BTW, i wrote this to make myself seem cool so everyone better have that impression.
If you dont think that way could you play doctor and tool me a little and tell me bout how im so wrong so i can write a another post about why i truly am cool. ( just more than u)
no actually dont tool me, ill just get pissed. grr
What the hell was that long, weird post by Intime about?
he explained.
hes nuts.
like the rest of them up there.
hes just a smarter version of stupid.