The Pick Up Artist – Episode 4 Recap: “Kiss, Kiss, Gang, Bang”
August 29, 2007 by Thundercat
Filed under Rants & Reviews
Last week I stated I was really looking forward to Episode 4 of
VH1′s The Pick Up Artist, staring everyone’s favorite PUA, Mystery.
Well, I was looking forward to it… until I actually SAW episode
4. I could have gotten just as much drama watching my dirty dishes
chill in the sink. They really need to get more interesting twists
going on in the show, because they certainly aren’t teaching anybody
anything, except for the fact that virgins make lousy reality fodder.
Female announcer states that Episode 4 is all about KISSING. Yay!
Nothing is better reality TV than awkward men awkwardly kissing women
they normally would have to pay by the hour for. I can’t wait!
So the episode starts off with a recap of 45YOV getting kicked off.
The whole crew is in the green room waiting to see who could possibly
survive the elimination. Kosmo laments to the camera:
"I love Brady and I love Fred. Can’t Mystery just pick them both?"
Awww… the love for 45YOV is touching… at least until Brady walks
back in. Then the whole group stands up and cheers! No one liked the
creepy 45 year old guy who’d never had sex, apparently.
Pradeep hops up and rushes to Brady for a loving embrace. You can
almost hear him say "Thank God it’s you! If I had to smell that old
guy one more time…" as he gently rocks back and forth in Brady’s arms.
Big Joe says "When Brady came around that corner, I was so
relieved. I want that guy with me in the final three." Nice. Not
only is Big Joe displaying confidence here, but also a complete
disregard for old people. Now, there’s not a single contestant over
the age of 30! Huzzah!
Brady laments about how he was relying too much on his looks. Everyone
agrees they learned a valuable lesson and goes to have a beer to toast
their fallen comrade. "To Fred!" the shout. "And life lessons! More
to life lessons! We never really liked Fred!"
Be that as it may, the loss of yet another lame AFC shakes everyone
up. Big Joe makes it a point to say "No one is ever really safe…
except for me, and Brady, and Kosmo… because we’re cool and the producers like us."
The next day, Scott the Stutterer gets up early and hits the books
like a good little nerd. He’s using his nerd work ethic to his benefit,
taking the time to sit down and learn the openers, routines, and DHVs
that have been taught so far. His goal seems to be to finally become
more interesting than the cactus tree outside.
You gotta respect Scott though. He’s really applying himself, and
he’s very dedicated to pushing himself to do better. He’s an excellent
student, and so far, he’s been the one most steadily getting better. I
find myself rooting for him, even if he does have the personality of a
wad of gum.
Kosmo is studying too, saying he doesn’t want people to keep saving
him. Now Kosmo is motivated to succeed. He’s the other one that’s
been improving too, and he’s more entertaining than Scott, so the odds
are in his favor.
Later on in the day, Mystery shows up, and the goggles make their
triumphant return to television. As he approaches the group, the
goggles say "Greetings, all! Have you met my good friend Mr. Top Hat?
He’s a real douchebag." Indeed, I can see why goggles hate the top
hat. The top hat really, REALLY upstages him.
Mystery asks everyone "who thinks they’re a good kisser?" Everyone
but Scott raises their hands. Mystery asks Scott why he didn’t raise
his hand. Scott says "Just lack of experience… but if my mom counts,
then I’m the Wilt Chamberlin of kissing!"
Mystery tells the group that at the rate they’re progressing, they
may soon get to kiss some girls. Kosmo looks suddenly confused and
starts glancing around like a paranoid monkey. "What? Women?
Where?" The closest thing he sees to a chick is Gay Joe, though, so he
settles down pretty quick.
Then, Mystery leads them back into the not-often used "Porn Room" of
the mansion. (You know, the darkly lit room that looks like it was
made for a porn movie shoot?)
Gay Joe wonders "What’s in that other room?" Thanks to the promos,
I already know – it’s two hot chicks. A girl named Leia, and Tara, the
girl who emotionally raped my boy Spoon.
It looks like Tara and Leia are going to teach the boys how to
kiss. The boys all profusely thank Mystery as he leaves, obviously
excited at the prospect of being so close to two hot women (especially
Pradeep, who’s mouth is practically watering). Gay Joe, however, just
looks bored.
So the porno music begins, which means it’s time for the girls to
start their lesson. Tara confesses to the camera that "Mystery’s
Method helps people make a connection that is beyond sex." Well,
according to my friends outside the community who have yet to see a
student succeed, apparently Mystery’s Method is so far beyond sex, no
one actually HAS any! *sigh*
Tara asks the guys "How important do you think it is to be a good kisser?"
Pradeep pipes up "Now I think it’s VERY important." Apparently
until this moment, Pradeep didn’t believe in foreplay. But I can
kind-of see where he’s coming from. Kissing probably isn’t all that
important a skill to have after the ruphies kick in.
Pradeep then proceeds to sit there lusting after the white women.
He already looks like he’s just reached his sexual peak on national
television, and then the girls start acting like they’re going to have
a lesbian kiss. Now Pradeep looks like he’s going into epileptic
shock. In fact, all the guys seem to be getting their boner on – even
Gay Joe, who’s staring at Brady the whole time.
During this scene, I couldn’t help but think – "Screw Mystery! Let
these girls teach the show!!!" They seem to be good teachers, and
they’re hot, and the guys actually pay attention when they talk. Better
yet, get rid of the students and just have the girls make out for an
hour. That’s the show I’d like to see.
But alas, such is not so. Now it’s back to the kissing lesson. The
girls give the guys peaches to practice on. Now we’re treated to a
montage of guys making out with fruit. Kosmo looks like he’s
auditioning for a fetish video. Gay Joe caresses his peach trying to
imagine it’s some type of male body part, Big Joe looks hungry, and
Scott just looks awkward (He can’t even kiss a peach right, for God’s Sake).
Leia comments "You look like you’re kissing your grandmother!" Which
is no surprise, since that’s the only woman besides his mother
Scott probably has kissed. "Oddly enough," Scott says, "My Grandmother
looks an awful lot LIKE this peach!" Oh, well that explains it.
In contrast to all the others, Pradeep is so horny, he just freakin’ starts EATING his peach.
Now that practice is over, now it’s time for the reward challenge.
The winer gets Mystery in his ear. It’s like Gay Joe’s fantasy come to
life… until Mystery reveals that the winner gets an ear bud where he
can hear Mystery coach him through the in-field challenge.
Then, Mystery reveals that each guy is going to be judged on their kissing skills by none other than… GAY JOE!
Then, when no one really wants to do the challenge, they offer Tara
an extra $500 to whore herself out for a few minutes. When this is
decided, Big Joe jiggles his cheeks going
"A-badeeb-a-badeeb-aye-aye-aye-aye." He can’t wait! And neither can
Pradeep, who can’t believe he’s finally going to get to kiss a white
woman.
So one by one, the remaining contestants enter the rape room
- er, ah, I mean PORNO room – where Tara has been blindfolded so she
won’t cringe away from the creepy virgins who are about to molest her
on national TV. (Seriously, they did everything but chain her to the
floor.)
First up is Scott the Stutterer, who you can tell is excited because
even though his facial expressions NEVER change, he gives the "thumbs
up" as he duck-walks into the room. "I just haven’t kissed a girl in a
long, long time," Scott says. Owch. I guess Scott moved away from his
mom a long, long time ago.
Like the dedicated nerd he is, Scott does
EXACTLY what the girls told him to do in the training portion of the
challenge. Yet, despite his willingness to learn, Scott’s nose-to-nose
kiss makes him look like a fish bubbling for air. In fact, it’s so
awkward, Leia stops it after about two seconds, and Tara can barely
contain her laughter. Scott says "It was great kissing Tara. I was
very into it. I felt EXCEEDINGLY passionate." Of course he did. You
could totally tell how passionate he was by the way he never changed
his facial expression. Scott looks pleased with himself though, and
leaves the room duck walking around his raging nerd-boner.
Now my boy BIG JOE comes into the room. BJ says he’s "Not necessarily
the worst kisser in the world." Way to be humble, my boy! BJ starts
with a kiss that’s so light and so short, Leia has to encourage him to
molest Tara further. So Joe goes in for another one, and this time
LAYS IT ON HER. You go boy. Big guys do it better, that’s what I
always say.
Then comes the obvious favorite to win – Brady. He says "I think if I
do anything well, its kissing." Well, I hope that’s so, because so far
he hasn’t actually done ANYTHING well. As he goes in to kiss Tara, his
big nose reaches her before his lips do, and as that shnoz gently
caresses her cheek, their lips meet. During the make out, it looked
like his nose got more action than his lips! That is one lucky nose -
at least until Leia has to pull him off for fear of him snorting off
Tara’s face.
Brady leaves confident. After all, kissing is the one thing he does
well, right? But when asked if she enjoyed it, Tara’s response is only
a shrug. DENIED! Turns out Bray is so lame, he can’t even make-out
with a helpless blind-folded chick properly. Well, at least he stopped
chewing gum for two seconds.
Then George Michael music starts playing, which can mean only one thing – GAY JOE is up!
As Gay Joe comes in, he couldn’t look LESS excited. He says "I was
nervous when I found out we would be kissing… SOMEONE." Apparently
it doesn’t matter to Gay Joe if it was a guy or girl. You can almost
see Gay Joe closing his eyes and imagine he’s making a move on
Matador. In fact, with the passion and intensity he kissed Tara with,
it’s no wonder girls think he’s gay. GJ says "There wasn’t a whole lot
of intensity going on." Yeah, maybe that’s because you need somone
with some junk between their legs to get it up, buddy!
After GJ leaves, Leia asks Tara "What did you think of that one?" And
Tara says "I thought he was gay!" (Okay, she didn’t really say that,
but you can tell she felt like she just kissed her little brother.)
So far we haven’t seen any real good kisses. They’ve all been kisses
which could barely construe lip touching – mostly do to nervous geeks
who are bashful and inexperienced.
And then we get PRADEEP.
Pradeep grabs Tara by the head and begins tounging her down like a
thirsty man sipping up the last puddle of water in a dessert oasis.
Leia looks on, thoroughly disgusted. She literally has to pry Pradeep
away from poor Tara before he has a chance to hump her leg like the
horny dog he is. After Pradeep is forcibly removed from the porn room,
Tara shocks everyone by saying she actually LIKED Pradeep’s kiss. She
says he’s the only one who really "took control." Only that wasn’t
control, that was horny desperation she experienced. But I guess the
two are kind-of the same thing in the end.
Finally, we have Kosmo. Ah, Kosmo… you may be a complete,
self-delusional weirdo, but you’re an endearing self-delusional
weirdo. Kosmo excitedly states "Latinos, when we’re born, out of the
womb, when we’re like Zero, we know how to make out." (Apparently they
learn how to breakdance when they’re 1, and how to box when their two.
Don’t even get me going on the age when learn how to repair cars…)
So Kosmo then proceeds to do his culture proud by tonsil-knockin’ the
white woman all over the room. It looks like Kosmo, for once, can
actually live up to his bravado and actually makes out with the girl
the right way.
Now Mystery comes back in to hear the results. Apparently, there’s a
tie for SECOND place, and that tie goes to Big Joe and… Pradeep?
Mystery says "You both came in second, together." Yeah, isn’t that
what a tie usually means? (Mystery always had a knack for stating the
obvious) Finally, the winner is revealed to be Kosmo, who’s so
excited, he proceeds to start punching Big Joe’s huge flabby belly like
a sandbag.
So Kosmo gets to have Mystery in his ear bud during the in-field
challenge, which pretty much assures he’s going to win. (Way to suck
all the suspense out of the show, right?)
"I get to have Mystery inside my BRAIN!" Kosmo shouts excitedly. Ah,
if he only knew what that meant, he might no be so excited, lol.
The next day it’s time for a new lesson from Mystery (Or "Pop-Up
Pick Up," as I like to call it, due to all the dictionary terms that
pop up during the talks). Matador and J-Dog seem to have been
relegated to mute puppets by this point in the show – but the GOGGLES
have returned, and they appear to have murdered the Top Hat somewhere
along the road.
Mystery’s lesson centers around kiss closes, attraction, and
comfort. He also demonstrates kino on J-Dog. Gay Joe watches with a
big smile on his face (no surprise).
Mystery reveals that tonight’s challenge will be to pick a target,
and then kiss close her. When Pradeep hears this, he looks like he
just shit himself (which I’m sure he’ll tun into a great opener,
somewhere down the road.) Gay Joe, however, looks thoroughly
disappointed. I guess he thought he was through with having to kiss
girls.
So now the guys are all getting ready for their night out. Pradeep
knows he’s been doing shitty up to this point, and he’s nervous. Big
Joe is trying to help Scott the Stutterer loosen up, and Kosmo is
trying to convince himself he’s "money" in the most spastic, awkward
way possible.
Then the crew all hop on Destination Manhood to hit the clubs as
Mystery shows back up in his leopard skin coat and explains tonight’s
challenge to the audience.
At the club, Kosmo gets his ear bud, and the whole crew heads
inside. Again, we get the hidden camera spiel about how there are no
actors in the club.
First up comes Brady, who walks in the club looking like Marty McFly
with his gigantic vest on, chomping away at his gum like a cow.
Brady’s first set puts him face to face with a hot drunk girl who’s
ripe for the plucking, but he can’t find the balls to take advantage of
her like Mystery would want. To bad, so sad… maybe next time.
Mystery says it all: "You exited a perfectly good looking girl." No,
that’s exactly what he DIDN’T do! lol.
Now we get Big Joe, who opens a very attractive set. Joe’s good at
opening, but he’s still too shy and self-conscious to make any moves
and quickly loses the set. (It probably doesn’t help that he has Scott
the Stutterer as his wingman). Then, an even fatter guy than Big Joe
comes by and blows him out. Another one bites the dust.
Now, we have Pradeep, who does everything wrong but tell the story
about the guy who shit himself. He aggressively goes after a set,
bribing, lying, and cajoling women to follow him like the diabolical
genius he is. He’s SO clever, he starts shouting "I’m a VIP! I’m a
VIP!" He uses none of Mystery’s material what-so-ever, bribes the
girls with the promise of free alcohol, and ends up literally DRAGGING
women back to his booth like the creepy little man he is. Mystery and
crew are disgusted. So is the audience.
Now it’s Scott’s turn, who seems to like approaching men more than
he does women. But you know what? He’s actually improving! He looks
relaxed, he’s able to deliver the lines well, he’s not fumbling over
himself as much… he’s actually doing pretty good considering where he
was three episodes ago.
Unfortunately, his best isn’t good enough as he runs out of
material. Eventually he moves into another set and promptly gets
AMOGed by another guy who says "There’s not a lot of people who can
wear green." I got some news for ya, buddy – there’s also not a lot of
people who can have a streak of blue in their hair. Scott’s neither.
Now we’re over to Gay Joe, who gets Big Joe to be his wingman and
open a set for him. Gay Joe then zeroes in on his target. She’s drunk
enough to think he’s not gay, and it’s obvious she’s into him. But Joe
just can’t overcome his gayness enough to make his move, so he lets
opportunity pass him by.
Finally, we’re up to Kosmo, being coached by Mystery. Kosmo
approaches another Latina and pretty much does whatever Mystery tells
him – which means what he’s doing is actually WORKING. So he isolates
the girl, escalates the kino, and gets the MAKE OUT! That’s what I
call Latino Heat, baby!
So obviously, Kosmo is the winner, considering he’s the only one who got any action. Now he gets to pick his wingmen.
The next day, Pradeep says he feels scared, worried, and like he has
not improved in any single way compared to what he was before. (Please
note this quote, since it will come into play later.)
So right now, it looks like the vulnerable people are Pradeep and
Scott the Stutterer. But Scott, to his credit, still feels he has a
lot to learn, and that he can become a Master Pick Up Artist, as
opposed to Pradeep, who seems to refuse to want to learn or improve.
So that night, it’s time for elimination. This time, they’re giving
away the puke-green PUA Pendants, symbolizing "enlightenment" or some
crap.
Kosmo chooses Big Joe and Gay Joe as his wingmen, which is only
proper, since both those guys chose him when they won their challenges.
After Kosmo and the two Joes leave, Brady is excused because…
well, he’s Brady, and he’s the favorite of the producers to win. This
leaves us with Pradeep and Scott the Stutterer.
Mystery rags on Pradeep for his poor performance and bribery
skills. Mystery then rags on Scott for approaching too many couples,
and not selecting a target. Matador lectures Scott on relying too much
on routines. (Wow, ain’t that the pot calling the kettle black?)
At this point, I’m sure Pradeep is gone. He himself has said he
hasn’t improved one bit, while Scott has steadily been getting better
and better in the field – even if his personality is still as
interesting as a dry turd.
Mystery tells Scott that in all his years of teaching, he’s rarely
had a student apply himself as earnestly as he has. "You’ve come a
long way," he says. And Scott replies "I’ve worked hard for it."
Indeed he has. He’s probably the hardest working guy of the bunch.
You can tell he really wants to succeed.
Mystery then turns to Pradeep and tells him that he’s been very
resistant to applying the method. Mystery goes on to say that he finds
it very frustrating, since he knows that his method works.
"Ultimately, I’m looking for someone who can become a MASTER Pick Up
Artist!" exclaims Mystery. So Mystery declares the medallion goes to
the guy who he believes has the most potential.
"Scott," Mystery says. "That man is you!" Then the producers walk
in and say "Wait, you can’t get rid of Pradeep. He’s way more
interesting than Scott. Keep the guy who uses the shit-pants line."
Mystery then turns back to Scott and says "Okay, despite the fact that
you’re hard working, a great student, and eager to actually improve,
we’re going to give it to the guy who resists learning my teachings and
by his own admission, has yet to change one iota. Buh-bye!"
And like that, Scott the Stutterer has been eliminated.
I am truly, truly disgusted with this outcome. Yeah, Pradeep is
fun. He did invent the shit-pants opener, and he is the type of guy
the show needs as their resident villain… but there is NO WAY he
deserved that metal over Scott. None.
The decision to keep Pradeep was entirely a decision to keep the
drama of the show as strong as possible. And since Scott was boring,
he was expendable.
Bye-bye credibility. It was nice knowing you.
Next week’s episode looks like Gay Joe wrote it. It has to do with
the crew all running around in speedos showing their butt cracks. Fun.
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Definitely agree with you…I personally hate ALL reality TV, but couldn’t resist watching this show. After episode 4, I remembered why this crap sucks.
While Scott does have the personality of a doorknob, the guy actually TRIED to learn the material. I would take a guy like that ANY DAY over some dude who doesn’t make an effort to change himself.
BTW- What the hell is the “Shit Pants Opener”? Must have missed that one…
I agree with you completely except for one thing. I don’t think Joe is Gay and I think you are a little too obsessed with GJ (Gay Thunder – GT ?
Mark my words, Scott WILL BE A mPUA. This guy has the guts and desire to do what it takes. I have read many post of the mPUA and all of them started out like Scott. I already know who will be in the top 3 and I am pulling for Joe (hmmmm, which Joe am I talking about?) If Brady wins, what does this tell us about the Mystery Method, all you have to be is a handsome white guy, with a little courage and material and you can be a PUA? Keeping the less attractive guys on, like the 45yo virgin and Spoon would have made the show more interesting to the average Joe (or Gay Joe to you GT 
Yeah I also think that you’re obsessed with Joe… and Matador as well.
Love your recaps man! Simply love them. Please keep it up
I agree , you can tell Scott is a good guy , I would like to see him stay and inprove, pradeep should have been gone long ago.
I agree , you can tell Scott is a good guy , I would like to see him stay and inprove, pradeep should have been gone long ago.
Hahahahahahhahahahaha….
Woooooeeee
Thanks.
I needed a good laff. Excellent job.
Are you fucking kidding me?! I left early to do some stuff, but I just knew that Pradeep was gone. The thought never crossed my mind that he could stay after his abysmall performance. He’s just like Fred, a guy who refuses to try to change. I’m still hoping that your joking, because if your not I really can’t put any stock in this show anymore.
Does anyone really want any of these guys to win? The guys who needed this most (and who were the most entertaining, frankly) have all either left or been kicked off in the last 3 episodes.
Pradeep is an ass, Kosmo acts like a 10 year old kid, Brady lacks even an iota of charisma, and Gay Joe is just kind of annoying. The only one I find myself rooting for is Big Joe because he seems like a deserving guy, but even he wasn’t coming from a position of near-hopelessness. I would have rather seen any of the first 3 eliminated guys win than any of the remaining 4.
Im really starting to question mysterys teachings on this one. Most these guys havn’t even talked to girls in normal way before besides the actor kosmo. His teaching has been completely worthless so far. He charges around 3,000 dollars for a bootcamp and he can’t get these guys to even be normal in a matter of weeks. How funny would this be though with these same guys and speed seduction. I would pay to see that.
thundercat since youve been chillen with hef and the porno girls use your new power to bring back the poonspoon and my younger bro fred
I heard Matador probably asked
Mystery to keep
Pradeep since they are both Indian…
Shave! That is all.
some amog
I just met Kosmo tonight in LA (btw, he’s TOTALLY transformed now since even ep.4). He told me Mystery kicked Scott off because he’s too weak (which is true) and could definitely NOT hang out with Mystery and his crew. Pradeep has a much stronger character and could do well if he used the material. He’s got an asshole’s personality which, if tweaked in the right direction, could work. Fred, Scott and Spoon were all weaklings and no matter how much they learn, they probably don’t have the internal constitution to be a PU master. Pradeep could. And he’s so much fucking fun to watch!
Yeah, the show doesn’t exactly make me want to drop $2-3k on a bootcamp. These guys have been at it for a few weeks with only marginal improvement. The “reality” of this show is in conflict with the message from the workshop companies which is that you can own your game for $2k and 3 days of your life. It will be interesting to see if the workshop gurus start weighing in on the show.
It’s really hard to tell at this point whether any of them could hang with Mystery and his crew. These guys, based on what we see at least, are getting very basic training (you could learn more on mASF in a matter of hours, unless they’re getting more intensive training off-camera) and perhaps more importantly it’s technique centred as opposed to attribute centred.
With that in mind I think it’s a little unfair to say that Scott couldn’t have hung with Mystery, because the dude had basically no experience with women coming in. His inner game was basically nil but we did see it improve gradually over the short time he was there. All of the other remaining contestants had at least mild experience with women if the kiss test showed us anything, so they had a lot more self-confidence coming in.
That being said I really don’t think Scott will ever become a PUA. Pradeep probably has more potential but he’s got a weird problem too. Pradeep is usually the one calling himself arrogant and confident (important to note), but when he gets into the field he’s constantly validation-seeking.
Great review TC. You are really funny and a good writer. I am also glad to see that you didn’t give Mystery a free pass since you guys are friends.
“Gay Joe” looks muy macho compared to many of the lisping homo PUAs in the community, inc Mystery.
It’s funny how the better looking contestants are doing the best so far. The Latina chick even said that the only reason she was still talking to Kosmo was because “he was cute.” This despite all the worn out Mystery lines that were provided.
Couldn’t agree more with you on the whole Scott vs. ‘Deep decision. Bad move by the producers….I mean Mystery.
Damn, this reality TV gossip is keeping me riveted!
The latina was probably just shit testing him. He failed it by laughing nervously and then complimenting her but I guess he didn’t fail it too hard if he still got the makeout.
Heh, too funny.
I think the biggest problem is that we’re getting a VERY skewed perspective and lots of things being edited out.
The biggest omission for more drama (either due to producer ignorance or perhaps for ego considerations) is that they aren’t doing it Apprentice style where Mystery discusses the decision with his Instructors- Matador and Jdog.
We’re getting absolutely NO insight into the machinations of their mind or reasoning.
Anyways, my first knee jerk reaction was that they kept Pradeep on for drama as they’ve obviously made him out to be a drama queen (real or skewed).
But on 2nd viewing, even though Pradeep didn’t use Mystery’s teaching, he WAS aggressive enough to PUSH (however desparate) for a mini-venue change, which I don’t think any of them did. He was also pretty aggressive/desperate in the kissing contest.
Wet noodle vs delusional meatball… I think I can understand the decision, but it’s all speculation anyways.
Scott built up alot of determination, but it’s hard to say whether he’ll keep it going or not. I personally have never had a workshop or anything, since I am able to utilize the info that’s out there, apply it, and teach myself. Not that having more experienced people teaching me wouldn’t help – but alot of guys have mental blocks they’re not even aware of which prevents them from learning freely and actively from their experience. I think scott did cross the threshold, has ‘taught himself to learn’ as it were, same with spoon, who can therefore continue to make their own progress, but not sure about fred, who didn’t even seem concerned about the fact that he was a 45yov. Is it so difficult a concept for people to learn that you can use determination to shatter through all obstacles, and be originally creative in doing so?
Still, I appreciate the value system which seems to be guiding the selection process, which seems natural. If attractive females were choosing who stays, they would have chosen Pradeep over scott, and pradeep over fred. The show is a little misleading though since not all contestants were equally capable to start with, while they were all certified as ‘losers’.
Scott reminds me of a young Bill Gates. Tall, gangly, and not very comfortable in his own body. He needs to improve his posture and body language badly. Shoulders back, chest out, walk with more purpose, confidence and direction. He is very tense when interacting with people (even his body is tense), and the lines seem forced/rehearsed. They don’t come off sounding natural.
Most importantly, Scott needs to pull his head/neck back. He thrusts his head/neck too far forward. His head should be pulled back, so that it sits squarely on his neck and shoulders, instead of “pecking in” and leaning forward so much. A chiropractor could help with aligning Scott’s neck/head squarely on top of his shoulders. Better body language would make Scott seem less eager, less needy.
Based on Scott’s posture and personality, I’d bet money that Scott works with computers (or in the engineering field). Having said all that, I think Scott has really improved significantly since the first episode, and it’s obvious that he actually applied the material.
However, I can understand why Mystery chose Pradeep over Scott. Pradeep is a stronger, more confident person in some areas, and that could play to his advantage in the field.
These recaps are really funny. Still, I think your opinion about the episode 4 elimination (echoed by some others here) misses the point.
The point of the series isn’t to see which guy can try the hardest. The point is to see which guy can go from zero to hero (i.e., genuine PUA). That said, I agree with Mystery’s decision to send Scott home.
Clearly, Pradeep has done poorly so far. And Scott has definitely tried hard to improve (which Mystery acknowledged). But while Scott has made some progress, he’s still an awkward dork. It doesn’t seem like he’s ever going to be comfortable talking to hot women.
Pradeep on the other hand, despite being manipulative, actually has some raw social skill. If he’d just apply some of the Method in the field, I think he’d get a decent woman. But I don’t see Scott having sex with an attractive woman anytime soon. Sorry if that sounds too harsh.
Flava flav wrote:
“Im really starting to question mysterys teachings on this one. Most these guys havn’t even talked to girls in normal way before besides the actor kosmo. His teaching has been completely worthless so far. He charges around 3,000 dollars for a bootcamp and he can’t get these guys to even be normal in a matter of weeks. How funny would this be though with these same guys and speed seduction. I would pay to see that.”
I’ve helped hundreds, if not thousands of guys like Scott and Pradeep over the years.
The challenge with teaching these guys is that they have so much internal dialog going on in their heads that they can’t pay attention, either to an instructor, or enough to calibrate what is going on in the field with a set.
In addition to all the damned up, fucked up emotion running around inside, they interrupt their own learning with all that chatter.
You can’t force or push them out of that; they have to be shown how to quiet it so they have a fighting chance to pay attention to the instructors and pay attention in a useful way in the field.
All kudos to the MM teaching team, but if you don’t recognize the problem, you can’t make the intervention, and guys like Scott and Pradeep are left to hang, dangling in the wind. Or booted off the show.
BTW, as far as I can see, Scott and Pradeep are very similar in their issues: both are internal talkers, both have massive anxiety, only one is passive with it(Scott) while the other is aggressive with it(Pradeep).
I could transform either one of these guys within an hour to 90 minutes so they could master ANYONE’S field technology.
Additionally, there are three other “parasitic” learning programs these two guys are running, but I could de-bug those in an additional 45 minutes.
RJ
RJ
Not trying to be a hater but I am skeptical about you being able to do all that in 60-90 min. That’s a pretty bold statement. Care to elaborate on that further?
GG
Well 4 episodesin (I thought I’d give it a chance) and I have such mixed feelings on this show. While the material is replacable, terminology isnt. Not a big deal though. Mystery DOES make his share of good pointers. Though I am now lead to believe that at least most of the contestants are actors, according to various links to their pages. This makes me wonder why Mystery would want to try and pull off something that isnt even real to begin with. We all know how TV skews shit in favor of what entertains people, which in this case causes misrepresentation the community. And I have to agree with several of the other above posts that, with that in mind, why would someone want to pay $3k for the crap they are showing on the show?
However, let’s just say that Mystery IS doing this for marketing purposes. I have a hard time believing that in 4 weeks, these guys have shown neglegible improvement. That said, how are you going to convince someone that $3k for a weekend is going to help you at all? I’d be very interested in hearing some of the thoughts of other mPUAS that are holding workshops, but it seems that they are staying somewhat “mum.”
Here is another scenario. Let’s assume the show and actors…i mean contestants ARE real. What I’d really like to see is some inner game work. These guys have terrible center cores and the body language is horrific. Keep in mind that material is nothing but just that if it isnt congruent with your body language. It sounds plastic and cookie cutter.
Mastery or at least the pickup arts is far more than a bunch of lines spewed at a girl to make her want you. It is (excuse the metaphores) the harmonious compilation of all your qualities, individually perfected but synchronomously organized to create the persona required to land a girl, much like an orchestra. An orchestra does not sound good without a single intrument group.
Sadly, the show lacks emphasis on that idea, which has already spawned the next generation of AFC’s who are out and about vomiting out lines they heard from a TV show and calling themselves pickup artists.
None of this is any good for the reputation of the community. And women who have seen the show think its a joke. People dont like what they dont understand, which is why when a woman clearly understands the intentions of the community and what it is that I do, they actually THANK me for it.
Leave it to mainstream television to f*ck up a good thing. I guarantee they know nothing about the community nor its history or reasons….and I guarantee they dont care. Theyre in the biz to make one thing and one thing only…money. The idea was there, but television ruined it.
There is one thing I think we all got from it…entertainment. Clearly defined by the barrage of weekly opinions on this site. Kudos, VH1.
I think flava flav is onto something. Can you imagine a reality TV show with RJ plying his knowledge on innocent minds. Now, that would be riveting television.
Esthetique wrote:
“I think flava flav is onto something. Can you imagine a reality TV show with RJ plying his knowledge on innocent minds. Now, that would be riveting television.”
That would be sick. Sort of a cross between Darren Brown’s awesome show “Mind Control” and The Pickup Artist. Should be called The Ultimate Mindfuck.
“he needs to improve his…”
Maybe women NEED to expand their horizons?
This show might just cause this.
“RJ
Not trying to be a hater but I am skeptical about you being able to do all that in 60-90 min. That’s a pretty bold statement. Care to elaborate on that further?
GG”
I’m not going to give away trade secrets here, but I meant what I said.
The basic algorithm is to call the person’s attention to the parasitic program. Pace the intent, then offer a better way to achieve the intent, while showing that the intent can NEVER be achieved with the current way of doing things.
Show them how to use something other than left brain to process, and pull apart the raw emotional response of anxiety from the internal dialog and visual imagery that had been powering it.
Show them how to experience the raw anxiety with equanimity and clarity, then teach them to surf that now raw energy, which is no longer colored “anxious” to create a low key charisma.
Elasped time about an hour, with slower students, an hour 15.
RJ
A bit more of an answer:
When people are efforting to make strong, positive, personal change, stuff IS going to come up, guaranteed.
Old patterns of fear, anxiety, stuck ways of thinking WILL emerge.
Not because the person is trying to sabotage themselves, or they have fear of success or any of that other bullshit.
It’s simply that the neural pathways for these kinds of responses have been used a lot and have a lot of residual momentum-like a fan that is unplugged from the wall but is still spinning for a while.
The student could just suppress the emotion, but that is like kinking a garden hose; sure, the water won’t come out, for a while, but the pressure buildup is going to bust the hose.
The student could also buy back into the emotional response and all of the story-the internal dialog and visual imagery-that goes along with it.
That’s also a very bad situation, obviously, because they are now reinforcing the very patterns that have been getting in their way.
Usually, students alternate back and forth between both of these poor choices; suppressing sometimes and other times, buying in. Largely, the process is unconscious or out of conscious awareness, which makes it even more hypnotically binding.
So you show the student how to untie-detangle the emotion from the dialog and imagery. This makes it easier to handle the emotion, and it also interrupts the feed -forward loop where the emotion has been noursishing and giving power to the stuck patterns of thinking/internal dialog/belief/perception/visual imagery.
You cut that off from the power source, like taking weeds and cutting off their sunlight and water. You don’t have to pull them or poison them, they just die.
Once the raw emotion is cut from the dialog and imagery, and the student can experience it and observe it WITHOUT any effort to change it, without tensing against it or fighting it(you show them how to relax around it) and with full clarity of how it changes, spreads, diminishes, then that emotion loses it’s coloring of grief/fear/anxiety/doubt and just becomes raw energy that can be redirected into any:
1. New way of thinking
2. New way of acting
3. New way of feeling
4. New qualities of personality-this is very broad and allows for deep level, generative change across the entire range of possible choices.
Make sense?
I’m not saying any more in public, this will all be in my new Nail Your Inner Game dvd/CD program to be released in October.
You’ll be hearing a lot about it..trust me.
sandworm77@ca.rr.com
Yo Mystery, don’t talk shit about all your “students” when you act so fake on the show. Ya we all get that the suck but honestly man, they are YOUR students, so if they suck that’s your fault.
Thanks RJ. That sounds interesting. You are clearly very knowledgeable on this subject.
If your target audience is the seduction community, I think you may benefit from speaking out a little more. I think many people have the perception of you as some kind of snake oil salesman with a bad temper.
Hey. I’m must share sometihng. Probably it’s an old topic but I must mention it. I didn’t have much oportiunity to see that programm but thanks to YouT. I finally did. It has been about 3 days ago, and I still fell something strange bacouse of it. I’m surprised that is not written even one post about! I mean ‘Keys to the Vip’. I saw all 9 episodes at one night and it just crashed me. I even don’t know what to say. The programm shows the whole truth. I remember when first heard about a profesional seducing and the community, that just blow my life and give a hope for me (yes I’m AFC as you could say). I rad Neil’s book ‘The Game’ 2 year ago and it was the second best book in my life, that has soo big influence on me. But what I saw in ‘Keys to th e VIP’ just killed it. I’m not overhigh about what I’m writing now, that’s it thrue – I’m sharing wiht you me deep feeling. Maybe becouse I need answers or to still keep me belives, but now I know it’s dead.
Ok! I’m sure most of you guys have seen it on YouT. Especially the 4th episode with Kyle. That guy wasn’t awesome, he was killer, maybe even that word isn’t right for that. He has shown who he is. I have seen other’s game in the rest of episodes and after that was clear. Heandsome, richness and physical strenght it’s all about. Just compare the game of other guys in all episodes with Kyle’s. I even watch Mystery’s game several times. Know I have everithing I need. Did you noticed judges’s speach before even players did anything. You see the guy and you know everithing. If you are small, weak, slim you are out of game (‘not having tools’). If you are good enought maybe some girl will want you, but form low league , yours or lower. Have you noticed girls Kyle did choose and what kind of girls the rest? They know that they have no chances. We human chose people similar to us. The truht is that the girl are picking, on subconscious level and giving you sign (DYD:’Attraction isn’t a choice’). Soo some girls will always be out of our league, and it is over. Girl wan’t strong guy who will kick other guys asses, out of their territory. So if you don’t know how to fight and afraid to do it, you lose. If you can kill somebody the chances are bigger. Can be only one! Mystery I really admire you but in comparing to Kyle you look like weak looser (don’t mention me self!!) and girls see that. It is not thrue that look dosen’t matter, or it is all about personality. For e. if you try to take over Kyle’s girl you will be just bloody hard bitten (killed?). The nature, we can’t change it. We cannot always hide behind charm or other cultural manner to show our status. In some way it is not real. You will be normally beat. Real HB10 need some adrenalin to be turned on, and it can be deliverd by the strongest and of coure handsome guys – who want a ugly man?! If you think you are other guys will very it. Sad!
I guess that 4 weeks for us are 4 days for them
mva
ps i d love a RJ reality (maybe with some students of his as in10nse,swingcatt, bishop, riker.. ok, dreaming is free )!!!
Jesus, yeah imagine that if you put everyone RJ has trained/worked with on TV… in10se, swingcat, bishop, riker, orion, David D, Rick H that sure would be something. I don’t think anyone would be fucking dissing PUAs again if that happened. Shame they pretty much all hate each other.
Cmon fucker… we want a review of Ep 5.
Episode 5 was so hilarious at the end we have to get a review…
Yeap, I know you give a shit about… what I wrote. Sorry I’m come up with it, but after…I think the GAME, or what was written about is bullshit.
If any way some good PUA will read this, could you tell me honestly, that you can do it better than Kyle in that programm; or could you take that girl from him in that situation? I doubt.
Maybe it’s good place while the subject is about Mystery’s show. It’s fun to look at but Keys are much better.
(sorry my writing, I’m from out of country)
Thundy you fat fuck… if you’re only real skill is as a keyboard jockey, then at least be a GOOD keyboard jockey and give us a review of episode 5 (you’ll get to make fun of Mystery’s almost crying – cool huh?!)
Did I mention that Thundercat is fat? Oh I did.. OK…
Mystery almost crying WAS worth making fun of, because in the previews to the episode I thought, wow it is tough for him. But when you watch the whole scene in context he was just caught up in all the guys crying saying how great this was.
Should’ve all had tea together for god sakes. I think the guys were loving on each other for the fraternity of it all, and not so much for the game skills that they are learning. Yes some have changed but not as much as I would’ve expected.
Is the show really over 8 weeks or is it just 8 episodes filmed over a couple weeks. Seems like they have a full week before each of the field tests, shouldn’t they be learning more each week? Shouldn’t they be approaching every day? I think the format is all wrong, which many have said already but hopefully season two or other shows of this type will take a different approach.
Also, next time bring in a mental change expert familiar in NLP, EFT, hypnosis and that 3dmind type of stuff so these guys could get rid of approach anxiety and their other fears in week one-DAY ONE actually. And eliminate any other fears that crop up as the weeks go on also.
Jeez
I’ve had some behind the scenes experience in reality television and there are a few things I’d like to point out:
1) There are usually 3-4 days of footage per episode. I doubt they drag the shoot out for eight weeks. That would cost way too much!
2) There is A LOT of stuff we are not seeing because there isn’t enough time in the episode or by choice of the editor. With all the footage they have they can really cut and past anything to make the show appear exactly how they want.
3) Producers of these shows are amazingly manipulative and will do anything to get the tears rolling. One thing that is typical of elimination rounds on all shows is that they are shot at 3 o’clock in the morning after having the entire cast up all night waiting, standing around, building up all sorts of emotions. If you can stress a contestant long enough they eventually break down in a raw emotional state.
Little Johnny: Mummy, why is Thundercat so fat?
Johnny’s Mum: Only Jesus knows that son… only Jesus knows.
Thundercat… WE WANT A REVIEW OF EP 5!!
Ross, is that you being so unkind to TC?
Tut tut..
What the hell are you doing that you haven’t posted a recap of the last episode yet? At least you could explain why it’s taking so long.
THUNDERCAT
YOU POST THAT RECAP RIGHT NOW, GODDAMNIT!!
J/K
When you get a chance would be fine
Dammit you fat bastard…
GIVE US THE RECAP!!
Way to go about getting him to do a recap ‘Me’.
classygame…. dude…. It’s totally not like that.
you know, I’m not that kyle guy and I guess I remember him, but he’s just some random good looking fellow, he’s not a fucking god.
thereВґs no way heВґs better than Mystery or Tc, or RJ, or Style or anyone from this community who one day really commited himself to the game.
I’ve already seen and personally did, what do you consider to be impossible.
My friends and I already stole girls from good looking, rich guys like that Kyle…
do a favor to yourself and change your mindset.. you’re a bit narrowminded. I understand you’re like this…but, just give it a try.